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If you were among the crowd that ardently wanted more of the Dragonball series, when Toriyama ended the prominent series with Dragonball GT, concluding with Goku leaving the earth as he rode on Shanron's back, you probably heard all the rumors about the series coming back. And was madly disappointed by the false alarm.

However, from researching more, or simply hearing from friends, you also found out about Dragonball AF. A continuation of Dragonball GT from this point:

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Dragonball AF, originally was a concept that was suppose to continue the concluded Dragonball GT series, that Toriyama himself declared it was his last work.

But because of the demand of insatiable fans that had supported the series throughout the years, and how the story seemed left inconclusively, he was at a demand to wrap things up for good, and that premise brought about Dragonball GT, which would air on our TV screens in 2012.

Timeously, he delivered as his talent would allow, and we got another journey with Goku and the dragon balls, as this time, Goku and his friends had to save the world from the creatures born out of the darkness that accumulated from each time they used them for a friend's revival.

An executed fictional idea, Dragonball AF presents a continuation to that story, as how it ended in GT, and goes into Goku's endless potential as a world fighter, as he continues getting stronger to the point of acquiring a new transformation that furthers on Super Saiyan 4.

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A source I found says about DBAF:
''Dragon Ball AF was originally the creation of an unknown fan that evidently had a strong desire for a fourth Dragon Ball anime series.

A single image appeared on the web of a hypothetical Super Saiyan 5 Goku with a “Dragon Ball AF” logo on it, and from there it spread like wildfire.

The rumor grew gradually over the years and took on a life of its own, spawning many fan creations, illustrations, videos, episode listings, action figures, and even high quality fan manga based on the collective rumors.''

With that discovered, I did a little deeper research and found out few interesting things in regards to AF. And one of them was that DBAF was actually a legit concept that came from Toriyama's right-hand man who worked with him throughout all of his work. I'm not sure if that is really true, but it seems it'd be someone who was really a fan that'd come up with this idea, as it continues well on how Toriyama finished the series off.

Allegedly, it's still continuing. However, it's not officially licensed, and can thus be put in the fan-fiction category.

Dragonball Super, though a legitimate series that got a nod from Toriyama himself, doesn't commence from where Dragonball GT ended. In fact, it discards GT completely, as Goku doesn't start off with Super Saiyan 4, a transformation he gets through means such as growing back his tail, but gets a different one that diverges from that concept, and instead is a variation of the one we see in Dragonball Z: Battle of Gods:

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A transformation that is fairly similar, it gives the Saiyan blue hair, a blue aura to go along with, and is essentially a replica with different resplendence:

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At the start of the manga, Goku's metamorphosis was superfluous and repugnant. How he loses the grandad status. How he's fairly young again, and more goofy and reckless, and how he's actually just annoyingly enthusiastic about fighting stronger opponents and in that, is apathetic to the well-being of his friends, even lately risking earth's existence by talking Zen-Oh into putting on a tournament that threatens literally all the existing universe's perpetuation, and how he simply contradicts the Dragonball GT one.

He isn't the exact or arguably even remotely the Goku we saw fight Cell with concern for earth's survival, and took fights seriously, instead, flashing a smile at menacing enemies who declared to destroy the planet that holds the lives of his friends.

There's even an article censuring Goku's character change:

As often said, DBS was conceptualized with a different perspective than possibly all the versions of Goku we got to see in the Dragonball series.

But public opinions share that Dragonball Super, despite losing innumerable fans that joined Goku on his journey before Dragonball's phenomenal success, retains an almost as great though lesser version of the atmospheric fights of Dragonall Z, and still brings the same entertainment, albeit, not as great as the previous parts of the series.

With all of that said, taking into account that Dragonball AF isn't financed, and could, with a team of professionals joined together, bring good quality manga/animation of a higher caliber, do you suppose it could've pulled it off better and succeeded and also cultivated the fanbase? And do you think if it'd have been better to amalgamate concepts with Dragonball Super?

With some research, I found these interesting pictures that showcase the content that can be expected in DBAF:

Goku:

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Vegeta:

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Gohan:

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Trunks:

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AF was the best back when I found it, this is what should be in our tv's instead of Super, it blows it out of the water in only the nine chapters I think it had. Sad it never became something big.

That first arc was amazing, and I'm sure all the Gohan fappers here would have loved it lol.
 
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AF was the best back when I found it, this is what should be in our tv's instead of Super, it blows it out of the water in only the nine chapters I think it had. Sad it never became something big.

That first arc was amazing, and I'm sure all the Gohan fappers here would have loved it lol.
Yeah. I actually thought AF was going to be something legit. But too bad they never saw the latent potential it had. Personally, I find the whole concept of AF to be in sync with Dragonball GT. And presents what Toriyama could've done if he had intentions of continuing it from there, when Goku leaves planet earth with Shanron.

When I heard there was going to be Super, I thought maybe that's where they'd continue. I had the ideas of AF. That Goku would go to Shanron's home place and perhaps meet dragons, or a dragon monk that'd train him. And the gravity of that planet would be something ridiculous, like x1000 more intense than earth's. Some extraordinary thing of that sort.

When I first saw Super, I was really disappointed. I was mad in fact at how they discarded everything Dragonball GT built on.

Goku was suddenly younger again, and goofy as ever. And I believe this Goku hasn't met Uub, the one with whom he goes into the Time Chamber and trains for 10 years.

Tbh, I haven't really read AF. I just browsed through it.

My friend has the entire arc I think, and in his opinion, AF has better concepts. And if I still recall, Gohan gets SSJ 4 in AF, right? And Pan becomes a Super Saiyan.
 
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Yeah. I actually thought AF was going to be something legit. But too bad they never saw the latent potential it had. Personally, I find the whole concept of AF to be in sync with Dragonball GT. And presents what Toriyama could've done if he had intentions of continuing it from there, when Goku leaves planet earth with Shanron.

When I heard there was going to be Super, I thought maybe that's where they'd continue. I had the ideas of AF. That Goku would go to Shanron's home place and perhaps meet dragons, or a dragon monk that'd train him. And the gravity of that planet would be something ridiculous, like 1000x more intense than earth's. Some extraordinary thing of that sort.

When I first saw Super, I was really disappointed. I was mad in fact at how they discarded everything Dragonball GT built on.

Goku was suddenly younger again, and goofy as ever. And I believe this Goku hasn't met Uub, the one with whom he goes into the Time Chamber and trains for 10 years.

Tbh, I haven't really read AF. I just browsed through it.

My friend has the entire arc I think, and in his opinion, AF has better concepts. And if I still recall, Gohan gets SSJ 4 in AF, right? And Pan becomes a Super Saiyan.
I read this years ago but from what I remember, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Vegeta along with Piccolo were fighting an evil Kai I think I'm not sure, they were trying to lock someone up or him, Vegeta was fighting in S4 for a while and Gohan was in S2 and Trunks in S3, Vegeta loses transformation, then Gohan goes 4, the battle is pretty awesome from what I remember, eventually they captured the kai but gets out cause ......... then after all this shit, apparently they needed seven super Saiyans I think to call Goku back for help but Goku was in the god realm with his green friend, they are going to become gods or Sherons or something for each universe( I don't remember) this is when Pan goes Super Saiyan, they revived BroLy I loved when they did this shit I was like no way, cause they needed him. Also Bula goes Saiyan so they have the seven Saiyans.

Something along those lines, then chapters stopped coming.
 

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I read this years ago but from what I remember, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Vegeta along with Piccolo were fighting an evil Kai I think I'm not sure, they were trying to lock someone up or him, Vegeta was fighting in S4 for a while and Gohan was in S2 and Trunks in S3, Vegeta loses transformation, then Gohan goes 4, the battle is pretty awesome from what I remember, eventually they captured the kai but gets out cause ......... then after all this shit, apparently they needed seven super Saiyans I think to call Goku back for help but Goku was in the god realm with his green friend, they are going to become gods or Sherons or something for each universe( I don't remember) this is when Pan goes Super Saiyan, they revived BroLy I loved when they did this shit I was like no way, cause they needed him. Also Bula goes Saiyan so they have the seven Saiyans.

Something along those lines, then chapters stopped coming.
Bro... Those were some ideas. U_U Really awesome how they needed 7 Super Saiyans to call Goku back.

I'd guess they contacted him and told him to stop putting out content in exchange for some money, lol...

Though I have to say, AF had a lot of potential, and would've got more success if it was financed.
 

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I only saw one image of AF years ago. I thought Akira was joking around a bit (AF = April Fools) . I personally like how GT went in some way since Super Saiyan 4 shows more of the Saiyan race than some "God transformation".
 
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But public opinions share that Dragonball Super, despite losing innumerable fans that joined Goku on his journey before Dragonball's phenomenal success, retains an almost as great though lesser version of the atmospheric fights of Dragonall Z, and still brings the same entertainment, albeit, not as great as the previous parts of the series.





which dragon ball fans was lost with super? u gotta be kidding me? almost ever youtube review of EACH episode has over 1 million views.. more than what i could say about naruto
 
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which dragon ball fans was lost with super? u gotta be kidding me? almost ever youtube review of EACH episode has over 1 million views.. more than what i could say about naruto
From just in my circle of friends, Dragonball lost 3 fans.

There's only 2 of us out of 5 that watch Dragonball Super now.

I only saw one image of AF years ago. I thought Akira was joking around a bit (AF = April Fools) . I personally like how GT went in some way since Super Saiyan 4 shows more of the Saiyan race than some "God transformation".
I didn't think of it like that, but that sure makes sense when you think about it. The April Fools part, lol...

Yeah, I was totally ****ing with that too. It was bringing us back to the Saiyan roots, and giving us an element of what we missed about them being susceptible to becoming apes.

I was totally hyped up when Goku turned into an ape. And as if that wasn't enough already, he goes and gets a transformation that gives him an ape-esque fur, that makes him look like he could crush anyone with just his bare hands. And you would've thought Super wouldn't abandon such an idea. I'm still puzzled, tbh, how they chose a transformation that was only shown in a movie, over a canon one, that was tiers better than the movie one.

There's some guys that even did calculations gauging which transformation is stronger, and guess what, SSJ 4 totally wrecks SS Blue. So we wouldn't have seen Goku struggle against Beerus if he had SSJ 4 in the Battle of Gods movie.

No i like super its not enough kakarot for me in af
Lol. Yeah, but that's sort of dis-likeable about Super, it's too insular, and isn't as broad as GT was.

Goku was getting ample attention, but we still got to see other characters get their shine as well. We saw little of the other Saiyans, and we barely got anything from except when Goku needed more power against Shanron. Besides then, it was all Goku and other premiering characters. But that was still cool.

But for me, I would've preferred they didn't discard every idea that was introduced in Dragonball GT. But I'll still watch Super, as it has aspects that are worth appreciating.
 

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From just in my circle of friends, Dragonball lost 3 fans.

There's only 2 of us out of 5 that watch Dragonball Super now.
maybe because they didnt give it a try? or they probably think it is stupid as gt?

even if some of the old fans left. some new fans probably took their place. fans who didnt know about dragon ball 20 years ago..
 

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maybe because they didnt give it a try? or they probably think it is stupid as gt?

even if some of the old fans left. some new fans probably took their place. fans who didnt know about dragon ball 20 years ago..
Yeah. One episode was enough for them to drop it permanently. But I don't blame them either. Dragonball Super lacks that certain inscrutable element that can only be found in Dragonball Z. And I guess they found Super dis-satisfactory, in comparison to what the series initially dished out.

Quite frankly, it was the same for me, but I didn't give up too soon, I suppose. And I guess it grew on me as I continued to watch it.
 

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Yeah. One episode was enough for them to drop it permanently. But I don't blame them either. Dragonball Super lacks that certain inscrutable element that can only be found in Dragonball Z. And I guess they found Super dis-satisfactory, in comparison to what the series initially dished out.

Quite frankly, it was the same for me, but I didn't give up too soon, I suppose. And I guess it grew on me as I continued to watch it.
you cant give up on a series after 1 episode.

even 10..

thats stupid or they wasnt a real fan of dragon ball in the first place
 

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From just in my circle of friends, Dragonball lost 3 fans.

There's only 2 of us out of 5 that watch Dragonball Super now.

I didn't think of it like that, but that sure makes sense when you think about it. The April Fools part, lol...

Yeah, I was totally ****ing with that too. It was bringing us back to the Saiyan roots, and giving us an element of what we missed about them being susceptible to becoming apes.

I was totally hyped up when Goku turned into an ape. And as if that wasn't enough already, he goes and gets a transformation that gives him an ape-esque fur, that makes him look like he could crush anyone with just his bare hands. And you would've thought Super wouldn't abandon such an idea. I'm still puzzled, tbh, how they chose a transformation that was only shown in a movie, over a canon one, that was tiers better than the movie one.

There's some guys that even did calculations gauging which transformation is stronger, and guess what, SSJ 4 totally wrecks SS Blue. So we wouldn't have seen Goku struggle against Beerus if he had SSJ 4 in the Battle of Gods movie.


Lol. Yeah, but that's sort of dis-likeable about Super, it's too insular, and isn't as broad as GT was.

Goku was getting ample attention, but we still got to see other characters get their shine as well. We saw little of the other Saiyans, and we barely got anything from except when Goku needed more power against Shanron. Besides then, it was all Goku and other premiering characters. But that was still cool.

But for me, I would've preferred they didn't discard every idea that was introduced in Dragonball GT. But I'll still watch Super, as it has aspects that are worth appreciating.
Super just gave everyone a power boost tho its not focusing just on goku. He is just the strongest which he should be.
 
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Dragonball AF artwork is horrible and super cheesey
You can tell how inspired they were from GT and the general asthetics of the 90's.

Thank god kishi stayed away from that flopping hot garbage


If you want great artwork (that even surpasses toriyamas own artwork and a fantastic story read Dragonball multiverse
 
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From just in my circle of friends, Dragonball lost 3 fans.

There's only 2 of us out of 5 that watch Dragonball Super now.

I didn't think of it like that, but that sure makes sense when you think about it. The April Fools part, lol...

Yeah, I was totally ****ing with that too. It was bringing us back to the Saiyan roots, and giving us an element of what we missed about them being susceptible to becoming apes.

I was totally hyped up when Goku turned into an ape. And as if that wasn't enough already, he goes and gets a transformation that gives him an ape-esque fur, that makes him look like he could crush anyone with just his bare hands. And you would've thought Super wouldn't abandon such an idea. I'm still puzzled, tbh, how they chose a transformation that was only shown in a movie, over a canon one, that was tiers better than the movie one.

There's some guys that even did calculations gauging which transformation is stronger, and guess what, SSJ 4 totally wrecks SS Blue. So we wouldn't have seen Goku struggle against Beerus if he had SSJ 4 in the Battle of Gods movie.


Lol. Yeah, but that's sort of dis-likeable about Super, it's too insular, and isn't as broad as GT was.

Goku was getting ample attention, but we still got to see other characters get their shine as well. We saw little of the other Saiyans, and we barely got anything from except when Goku needed more power against Shanron. Besides then, it was all Goku and other premiering characters. But that was still cool.

But for me, I would've preferred they didn't discard every idea that was introduced in Dragonball GT. But I'll still watch Super, as it has aspects that are worth appreciating.
The movies are cannon.
This was stated when they came out

GT was never cannon.
It was made with toriyamas approval.
He had barely any input and never cared to follow it up in manga form either.So not only was it
Not cannon he never showed any personal interest in using anything from it
 

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Bro... Those were some ideas. U_U Really awesome how they needed 7 Super Saiyans to call Goku back.

I'd guess they contacted him and told him to stop putting out content in exchange for some money, lol...

Though I have to say, AF had a lot of potential, and would've got more success if it was financed.
Yeah, they definitely contacted him, but they didn't just give him money, Shueisha employed him!

He did the Manga adaptation of Resurrection F and is the official artist for the Manga of Super.

Look up Toyotaro on Dragonball Wiki - it won't let me put a link.

Shame they didn't let him continue AF though.
 
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