Adult Sasuke vs Hokage Naruto

[UnknownJin]

I see :elmo:

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[Michael]

@Kid

If teen Naruto could destroy madara's meteors without an avatar with rasenshurikens that dwarf perfect susanoo, you don't believe 100% Hokage Naruto with full kurama and hashirama arm in the same RSM form could muster something far greater than his teenage self?

Mind you that Naruto and kurama were low on chakra yet still made that attack during vote, 100% Hokage Naruto would absolutely wreck without avatars.

 

[shelke]

@Shelke

As if a little static would even phase Naruto's clones, his kagebunshin tanked far worse the chidori nagashi during the war. Adult Naruto wrecks.

Static powered by the Sage's chakra? Sure.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Kid

If teen Naruto could destroy madara's meteors without an avatar with rasenshurikens that dwarf perfect susanoo, you don't believe 100% Hokage Naruto with full kurama and hashirama arm in the same RSM form could muster something far greater than his teenage self?

Mind you that Naruto and kurama were low on chakra yet still made that attack during vote, 100% Hokage Naruto would absolutely wreck without avatars.

That Naruto had the Gudo Dama, which is how he was able to use BDFRS. This Naruto does not thus all he is left with are the basic Rasen Shuriken which are nowhere near as powerful as BDFRS. More chakra is all the other half of Kurama and Hashirama's cells grant and more chakra doesn't result in all your jutsu becoming stronger.

 

[Michael]

That Naruto had the Gudo Dama, which is how he was able to use BDFRS. This Naruto does not thus all he is left with are the basic Rasen Shuriken which are nowhere near as powerful as BDFRS. More chakra is all the other half of Kurama and Hashirama's cells grant and more chakra doesn't result in all your jutsu becoming stronger.

How does Naruto not have gudodama? And more chakra does equal stronger attack, perfect example mini rasenshuriken vs massive rasenshuriken. :sdo:

 

[Michael]

Static powered by the Sage's chakra? Sure.

Rikudou Sage Mode clones >>> rikudou static.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does Naruto not have gudodama? And more chakra does equal stronger attack, perfect example rasengan vs giant rasengan. :sdo:

Read all my posts to Prometheus 2000.

That's because more chakra can be poured into that attack. That doesn't make all attacks stronger nor is there evidence that the addition of Full Kurama lets him add enough power to his FRS that it becomes BDFRS level even w/o the Gudo Dama. Only interested in facts or opinions backed by some kind of Manga occurrence or scan, not opinions alone.

 

[King Of Pop]

Madara as a modified edo with hashirama cells/power and rinnegan absorbed Naruto's rasenshuriken with preta and claimed it was "too much energy", even his hands were smoking.

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The fact you guys believe sasuke could absorb something of this magnitude is beyond me. Nevermind the fact Naruto has matured and possess full kurama and hashiroid arm now.

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Avatars are restricted. at least read the thread stipulations. the only ninjutsu he has access to outside his avatar are cofrs, rasengan and normal frs and preta makes a mockery of all those

 

[Michael]

Read all my posts to Prometheus 2000.

That's because more chakra can be poured into that attack. That doesn't make all attacks stronger nor is there evidence that the addition of Full Kurama lets him add enough power to his FRS that it becomes BDFRS level even w/o the Gudo Dama. Only interested in facts or opinions backed by some kind of Manga occurrence or scan, not opinions alone.

You have zero evidence Naruto doesn't have gudodama, however I can post scan of gudodama being created not that all of Naruto's were ever destroyed/used. Also I never stated all jutsu become stronger only that rasenshuriken obviously does. Compare the damage and scale of mini rasenshuriken to massive rasenshuriken, the difference in power is gargantuan. Now if rsm Hokage Naruto decided to pour 99% of his chakra plus bijuu chakras and natural energy into a rasenshuriken it would be far greater than anything teen Naruto used during the war, thats a fact.

 

[Michael]

Avatars are restricted. at least read the thread stipulations. the only ninjutsu he has access to outside his avatar are cofrs, rasengan and normal frs and preta makes a mockery of all those

Hurr Durr, if you actually read my previous post you'd know the context the scan was used.

 

[KidGamer65]

You have zero evidence Naruto doesn't have gudodama, however I can post scan of gudodama being created not that all of Naruto's were ever destroyed/used. Also I never stated all jutsu become stronger only that rasenshuriken obviously does. Compare the damage and scale of mini rasenshuriken to massive rasenshuriken, the difference in power is gargantuan. Now if rsm Hokage Naruto decided to pour 99% of his chakra plus bijuu chakras and natural energy into a rasenshuriken it would be far greater than anything teen Naruto used during the war, thats a fact.

Address what I told the other poster or don't quote me. The proof is all right there, and the rest is irrelevant until you show all this is possible. Especially the bold, which is blatantly shown to not be possible, which is why jutsu have fixed sizes in this Manga. Not interested in your opinion.

 

[Prometheus 2000]

It doesn't matter if he has or not. Rinnegan abilities and jutsu in general don't vanish with age. I never even mentioned Asura Path, I actually forgot Sasuke only had a single arm. I agree that logically Sasuke is capable of using all 6 Paths, but that's Sasuke. There's an actual reason why Naruto can't use the Gudo Dama. You aren't even addressing the problem here. Who said that "Naruto can't do it because he hasn't shown it?" No one.

The bold is irrelevant and false. They activate when RSM and Juubi Mode are activated completely. Naruto wasn't wearing his cloak and Obito wasn't even in control. There is no "choosing" to activate them or not once in these modes. If you have them they come, if you don't then they don't come.

-Minato took Madara's Gudo Dama, he could not make more hence the point of the strategy to take them in the first place, because they knew he wouldn't be able to reform them.

-Naruto used up all but 3 Gudo Dama by the time he fought Sasuke, he could not make more. Then he lost the rest of them in that fight and hasn't been seen with them since.

What you are saying doesn't even make sense. Because Minato stated they are always on standby instead of being activated, somehow that means the user can create them? Zero correlation and that statement disproves you. They are on standby and they are not activated from nothing.

Obito has never recreated a Gudo Dama that was taken from him on panel nor can he as they are not activated. They are just like any ordinary weapon. Take the weapon and there is no getting it back.

If we mention all abilities they are capable of performing then Sasuke would still easily win. If flight is what you think gives Naruto the win then that much is already clear. Deva Path is capable of flight. Rinnegan's Bird summon is capable of flight. Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tennin can push and pull Naruto regardless of him flying. Ameno lets him teleport anywhere including to Naruto if he tries to fly out of Sasuke's range. Being able to fly doesn't change the fact that 100% of the damage he can do from a distance relies on chakra based techs like Rasengan and FRS, things Preta Path easily absorbs. If we give them all feats they should logically have this match becomes a one sided slaughter for Sasuke.

That's not really true. Hagoromo and Hamura had TSBs because they were born with Kaguya's power.

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In Hagoromo's case, he likely had TSBs via RSM. The same can't be said for Hamura though, because we know that he didn't have the Tenseigan until later. This proves that as long as one possesses Six Paths Senjutsu, you can still use TSBs even if you're not using the full power of the Jubi/RSM/Tenseigan.

And Obito created a new TSB on panel.

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First scan shows Obito with 10 TSBs. Second scan shows him using a single TSB to create his barrier. You can see in the third and fourth scan that he had nine left.

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He then recreated one as seen on the scan above, giving him a total of 10 TSBs again. It's even putting emphasis on a single TSB in the scan.

There's literally no reason why Naruto couldn't recreate more TSBs as well.

Madara didn't recreate his for plot purposes. He was out of character the moment became a Jinchuriki.

 

[Michael]

Address what I told the other poster or don't quote me. The proof is all right there, and the rest is irrelevant until you show all this is possible. Especially the bold, which is blatantly shown to not be possible, which is why jutsu have fixed sizes in this Manga. Not interested in your opinion.

We could go back and fourth all day, however my time is limited so allow me to use your logic against you.

Show me sasuke using any six paths techniques after vote besides ameno, I'm not interested in your opinions/speculation but cold hard facts. Now based solely on feats we have Hokage Naruto with hashirama arm, full kurama, SM, RSM and KCM vs Adult sasuke with one arm, ameno and ms techniques. Avatars restricted of course.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's not really true. Hagoromo and Hamura had TSBs because they were born with Kaguya's power.

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In Hagoromo's case, he likely had TSBs via RSM. The same can't be said for Hamura though, because we know that he didn't have the Tenseigan until later. This proves that as long as one possesses Six Paths Senjutsu, you can still use TSBs even if you're not using the full power of the Jubi/RSM/Tenseigan.

And Obito created a new TSB on panel.

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First scan shows Obito with 10 TSBs. Second scan shows him using a single TSB to create his barrier. You can see in the third and fourth scan that he had nine left.

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He then recreated one as seen on the scan above, giving him a total of 10 TSBs again. It's even putting emphasis on a single TSB in the scan.

There's literally no reason why Naruto couldn't recreate more TSBs as well.

Madara didn't recreate his for plot purposes. He was out of character the moment became a Jinchuriki.

>Hagoromo and Hamura aren't Naruto, Obito, Madara or Toneri. They possessed these abilities in their natural states and had no transformations outside of Tenseigan and Juubi just like Kaguya did. If Hagoromo was using RSM you'd see the same characteristics Naruto had when he used it. The aforementioned people don't possess these abilities in their natural states, which is why Obito didn't have a complete set of Gudo Dama until he gained control of himself.

>Those are rods. The same chakra receivers that any Rinnegan user can manifest.

The strongest barrier surpassing the Four Red Yang Formation
Six Red Yang Formation
(六赤陽陣 Musekiyoujin)

A barrier technique (kekkai jutsu) of the highest calibre that cannot be used by anyone else except for ones blessed with the power of the Six Paths (Rikudou). It outdoes the ?Four Red Yang Formation? in scale and solidity; ones with the ?Rinnegan? opened distribute the trademark black recievers (chakra rods) to various places in the area, and will manifest this huge barrier by oneself. It is impossible for anyone to step past this barrier. (Coming from) The Father of Shinobi, that is why such an extraordinary giant red barrier is possible. 


(Obito casts musekiyoujin)
The barrier?s enormity is beyond even that of the ?Four Red Yang Formation?. Obito encloses the whole battlefield, denying the ninjas? way of retreat.

[First Appearance: Volume 67, Chapter 643.
Anime Appearance: Naruto Shippuden Episode 380.]

Him creating a Rinnegan chakra receiver from the material the Gudo Dama is made of isn't him recreating a Gudo Dama nor was that Gudo Dama used up. Idk why you think the glowing Gudo Dama proves anything when we see said Gudo Dama still there even after a chakra rod is created. No scan you posted shows him having 9 Gudo Dama. That scan where he is clashing against Naruto hides the Gudo dama placed right behind his back, meaning it was not seen. Not that it was gone.

Plot isn't an argument in this case. It's an excuse. A poor one at that since we already have confirmation that they cannot be remade. Both Naruto and Madara did not regain their Gudo Dama. Minato blatantly states that they are not activated. Minato's strategy would be useless if Madara was capable of forming more. There is no room for debate here.

We could go back and fourth all day, however my time is limited so allow me to use your logic against you.

Show me sasuke using any six paths techniques after vote besides ameno, I'm not interested in your opinions/speculation but cold hard facts. Now based solely on feats we have Hokage Naruto with hashirama arm, full kurama, SM, RSM and KCM vs Adult sasuke with one arm, ameno and ms techniques. Avatars restricted of course.

Already addressed in a previous post. Try again.

 

[shelke]

You all should just ignore Michelle. He just called Sage Chakra powered Nagashi a mere static.

 

[Michael]

You all should just ignore Michelle. He just called Sage Chakra powered Nagashi a mere static.

Hey buddy :Sparks:

 

[DHOH]

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-RSM Cho Odoma Rasengan >> Sasuke clones 's chidori ,and cant be stopped with enton .Not sure how good clones's preta path is .if it can absorb RSM COR of the size of the one in boruto movie and bigger then yeah Sasuke's clones can Survive Naruto's clones but not overpower them .if they can't absorb it ,then Naruto's clones would obviously overpower Sasuke's clones with COR barrage and by outnumbering .

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Adult Sasuke isn't as fast as RSM Naruto .no feats suggests that at all .the gap in strength is still huge too .so yeah no Sasuke have no advantage in CQC at all .the best he and his clones can do is spamming Enton around them to prevent CQC in the first place which is an effective counter for Naruto's superior speed , Strength and frog kata as well .otherwise he gets destroyed in CQC .


Assumptions and speculations!?are you the same DHOH who claimed Sasuke can use PS hundreds of times just because you said so ,just because you want Sasuke to win whatever .
Yes the amount matters .the flow of enormous amount of NE can cause changes in the atmosphere around them which can be felt by even those who can't sense NE .Sasuke couldnt sense that Naruto's avatar clone was gathering NE which is a proof that he can't sense NE .
Sasuke and pein both possesses Rinnegan .if pein couldn't see it then Sasuke can't .


It may be useless but not because of the claim that Sasuke can sense it .It is because Sasuke can prevent CQC by spamming Enton around him .



Sasuke can't overpower Naruto and his clones unless he could get far enough to use Kirin or CT .Even then kirin can be neutralised with RS or COFRS .RS should be enough .Meteorite CT can be destroyed by multiple RSM COFRS .
Have you just said Naruto's chakra would run out faster than Sasuke's? Are you serious?
"Or he'll simply make a mistake "isn't an argument.i cant believe that you have just claimed that Sasuke would destroy Naruto and your explanation for how would Sasuke land a single hit on Naruto is Naruto making a mistake or running out of chakra lmfao .

I would love for you to prove Naruto's RSM Cho Odoma Resengan >> Sasuke Meteor busting chidori. Til then, Kishi >you.

Kishi showed you speed and strength feats from the Boruto move, so again, Kishi > you.

Please quote on saying Sasuke can use PS hundreds of times. Minato couldn't sense Naruto gathering NE to attack Obito with. Does that mean Minato isn't a sensor? No, and he's a sage.. so your point is void. I already said Sasuke couldn't see it.......

No it's just means Sasuke has more than one way to make frog kata useless.

There's more to a battle then attempting to overpower the other. Kirin is no more than an assumption.

 

[Eng nawashi]

i would love for you to prove naruto's rsm cho odoma resengan >> sasuke meteor busting chidori. Til then, kishi >you.

.Base Naruto's chu odoma rasengan in boruto movie matches Sasuke's chidori feat in the last if not exceeds it .let alone RSM enhanced version of it .
RSM COR >>>>>>>>COR>=Sasuke's chidori in the last .

Kishi showed you speed and strength feats from the boruto move, so again, kishi > you.

Kishi didn't state that their speed and strength are equal .he just showed them creating a coordinated attack against momoshiki .that is like saying Krunai equals Gai in speed because they shunahin'ed together to stop Neji from killing hinata in chunin exam .

Please quote on saying sasuke can use ps hundreds of times. Minato couldn't sense naruto gathering ne to attack obito with. Does that mean minato isn't a sensor? No, and he's a sage.. So your point is void. I already said sasuke couldn't see it.......

Yes Minato in Base can't sense the flow of NE without being completely stationary and focusing .So yes you have yet to prove that Sasuke can sense NE .

Yes this is Susanoo came Susanoo and Sasuke has like 100 times more chakra.

Well you said He has 100 times more chakra than Kakashi .Kakashi can at the very least make PS once which would mean,according to your claim , that Sasuke can make PS 100 times .

No it's just means sasuke has more than one way to make frog kata useless.

Nope he has only one way which is preventing CQC by the spam of enton .

There's more to a battle then attempting to overpower the other. Kirin is no more than an assumption.

No matter how you see it .Sasuke has no single way to beat Naruto .
-Nagato's CT version gets countered easily by destroying its core .

-CT used as a meteor gets also destroyed by RSM COFRS's .it also requires Sasuke getting far enough .

-Kirin is a lightening bolt .Fuuton > Lightening .RSM RS's power >>>>> Kirin's .so yeah kirin gets easily countered .

-Ameno is countered by the use of clones .

-His chidori gets evaded or easily overpowered by RSM COR.

Enton can counter RS but if RSM COFRS is used from relatively close range ,Enton wouldn't be able to consume it before it lands .I'd like to see Sasuke's preta path feats that let him absorb RS COFRS .I 'd like to see feats for Sasuke's clones preta path that let them absorb RSM COR of the size of the one in boruto movie .
At the worst case Sasuke would get outlasted .

 

[DHOH]

.Base Naruto's chu odoma rasengan in boruto movie matches Sasuke's chidori feat in the last if not exceeds it .let alone RSM enhanced version of it .



Kishi didn't state that their speed and strength are equal .he just showed them creating a coordinated attack against momoshiki .that is like saying Krunai equals Gai in speed because they shunahin'ed together to stop Neji from killing hinata in chunin exam .



Yes Minato in Base can't sense the flow of NE without being completely stationary and focusing .So yes you have yet to prove that Sasuke can sense NE .

Nope he has only one way which is preventing CQC by the spam of enton .

Sasuke has no single way to beat Naruto .
-Nagato's CT version gets countered easily by destroying its core .

-CT used as a meteor gets also destroyed by RSM COFRS's .it also requires Sasuke getting far enough .

-Kirin is a lightening .Fuuton > Lightening .RSM RS's power >>>>> Kirin's .so yeah kirin gets easily countered .

-Ameno is countered by the use of clones .

-His chidori gets evaded or overpowered by RSM COR.

Enton can counter RS but if RSM COFRS is used from relatively close range ,Enton wouldn't be able to consume it before it lands .I'd like to see Sasuke's preta path feats that let him absorb RS COFRS .I 'd like to see feats for Sasuke's clones preta path that let them absorb RSM COR of the size of the one in boruto movie .
At the worst case Sasuke would get outlasted .

You mean the futon enhanced Boruto's resengan that Naruto added chakra to? No. It didn't bust any meteors.

Sasuke has multiple speed feats in the Boruto movie

The manga proved it for me..

100 times more chakra when he was using the bijuu chakra

Nope frog kata is pretty useless

Yea... Sasuke didn't use Nagato's version. Sasuke made careless CTs.

Naruto can't react to kirn, Kirk is real lightning so no your theory is wrong.

Sasuke has several different jutsu to eliminate clones

No. Meteor busting level chidori kills anyone

Outlasted. You're talking about a guy that can take chakra. He doesn't get outlasted

 

[Eng nawashi]

you mean the futon enhanced boruto's resengan that naruto added chakra to? No. It didn't bust any meteors.

It was never stated that Boruto's rasengan is futuun enhanced .and yeah this rasengan (without RSM) is obviously on par with Sasuke's chidori in the last .

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RSM COR is tiers above the rasengan above .no argument here .

Sasuke has multiple speed feats in the boruto movie

None compares to Naruto if he is anywhere near War arc RSM Naruto in speed .

the manga proved it for me

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Get me a scan says that sage shinobi can sense the flow of NE even in base without being stationary .When Naruto was training SM ,it was shown that you need to be completely stationary (one with nature) in order to feel the flow of NE and absorb it .Facts .

100 times more chakra when he was using the bijuu chakra

Biju chakra has nothing to do with Sasuke's ability to spam PS which he creates with his own .

nope frog kata is pretty useless

As long as CQC is concerned ,frog kata one shots sasuke whether you like it or not.

yea... Sasuke didn't use nagato's version. Sasuke made careless cts.

Which is useless here for obvious reasons .

Naruto can't react to kirn, kirk is real lightning so no your theory is wrong.

Kitin first takes a form of a beast before Sasuke swings his arm down to launch it .Naruto can Prepare RS and fire it at that time .
Doesn't matter if it is real lightening or not actually .even if you were right we still have the fact that stronger attack will always overpower the weaker one regardless of the elemental advantage and RSM RS >>>>Kirin.

Sasuke has several different jutsu to eliminate clones

No he hasn't. you can't even mention one .

no. Meteor busting level chidori kills anyone

if Sasuke can't land it ,he can't kill anyone .It can also be overpowered by COR which can be enhanced with fuuton leaving no chance for Sasuke here .

outlasted. You're talking about a guy that can take chakra. He doesn't get outlasted

The best he'd absorb is some Clone chakra which is nowhere near Naruto's chakra with full kuarma .he also can't absorb Kuarma' own chakra .So no Naruto easily outlasts Sasuke considering the huge gap in chakra amount .