What about Naruto clones? You don't think clones would be a huge problem for Sasuke?Strictly feats? Sasuke can keep up and clash w/ Kinshiki so Naruto's speed and strength are not a game changer. Adult Naruto is basically BSM Naruto, but many times stronger in terms of moveset. Amaterasu/Enton is enough to deal w/ FRS, Sasuke's Chidori is also capable of vaporizing a Mountain Sized Meteor which puts it in the same league as Bijuu Dama. Ameno lets him dodge what he can't overpower.
Couple that with the fact that w/ a Katon diversion Sasuke tagged Naruto w/ Chidori using Ameno even though there was a wide gulf between their physical speed. That gap is much much smaller now so we can forget about Naruto evading Ameno and he's not tanking a Bijuu Dama level attack w/o his Avatar so Sasuke kills him pretty easily.
Oh yeah, and Chibaku Tensei. So yeah, Sasuke destroys him.
Not with Ameno, Chibaku Tensei and Enton, which can be used as projectiles even w/o Susanoo as shown during the War Arc and against Kaguya. There's also always Kirin to fall back on, which is still a one shot for Naruto and all his clones as he's not as durable as Susanoo w/o his Avatar.What about Naruto clones? You don't think clones would be a huge problem for Sasuke?
Sasuke can counter Naruto clones with his own and enton. Sasuke would definitely have the advantage in CQC.-can Sasuke use ST ? I think it is Nagato's own feat .
-Can Sasuke create CT cores ? Possibly yes .
War Arc RSM Naruto w/o avatar would stomp Sasuke w/o avatar .Hokage Naruto can't apparently use TTBRS or Biju RS so he is left with FRS variants and Rasengan .
But I think Naruto still wins since he can overwhelm Sasuke with his clones army in CQC and finish him with Frog Kata .Sasuke can't use CT as a meteorite if he is close to Naruto or he'd get himself killed too .if he used it as Nagato did ,then multiple COFRS destroys it before it reaches its full form .Naruto can counter ameno attacks by the use of multiple clones .Ameno's range also limits it defensively against the AOE of Naruto's attacks .
This. Without Susanoo to protect him Sasuke gets toasted.naruto? he can still use his op Aoe techs without the avatar. the only real threat from sasuke's side is rinne swap into something.
Sasuke doesn't need Susanoo more than Naruto needs Kurama's avatarThis. Without Susanoo to protect him Sasuke gets toasted.
He does, even BSM Naruto's durability is higher than rinnegan Sasuke's. Naruto could spam bijuu powered FRS from all directions during ranged combat, could easily neg all of Sasuke's AoE attacks and enton using Kurama chakra cloak plus confuse Sasuke with clone spam. Even with ameno he can't outrun all of them and we already know his ameno swap is useless against Naruto. In taijutsu frog Kata negs, he could try to use preta but again Naruto is aware of that so frog kata negs again.Sasuke doesn't need Susanoo more than Naruto needs Kurama's avatar
Feats wise, no. Sasuke tanked hits from Multiple shurikens from shin and direct hits from Kinshiki and Momoshiki.He does, even BSM Naruto's durability is higher than rinnegan Sasuke's. Naruto could spam bijuu powered FRS from all directions during ranged combat, could easily neg all of Sasuke's AoE attacks and enton using Kurama chakra cloak plus confuse Sasuke with clone spam. Even with ameno he can't outrun all of them and we already know his ameno swap is useless against Naruto. In taijutsu frog Kata negs, he could try to use preta but again Naruto is aware of that so frog kata negs again.
Sasuke can't sense or see nature energy. Sasuke isn't sensor as confirmed by Orochimaru.Sasuke can counter Naruto clones with his own and enton. Sasuke would definitely have the advantage in CQC.
Frog Kata is just Natural energy being use as a weapon and Sasuke can sense OR see Natural energy, which make frog kata useless.
A diversion and a meteorite busting chidori would end Naruto
Sasuke can't sense or see nature energy. Sasuke isn't sensor as confirmed by Orochimaru.
Each time huge amount of chakra is released or gathered even non sensors can sense it. This was pretty much confirmed with Orochimaru statement.
Sasuke only manage to sense when Kurama gathered tremendous amount of nature energy.
Also the fact that Pain who both had ability to see and sense chakra couldn't do anything about Frog kata is enough proof.
I don't know who wins but Sasuke can't sense or see frog kata.
Not a game changer? You seem to forget Base Naruto's performance against Kinshiki absorbed Momoshiki.Strictly feats? Sasuke can keep up and clash w/ Kinshiki so Naruto's speed and strength are not a game changer.
True.Adult Naruto is basically BSM Naruto, but many times stronger in terms of moveset.
Naruto can manually control his Rasenshuriken now so it's debatable whether or not Sasuke's Amaterasu/Enton can deal with it successfully.Amaterasu/Enton is enough to deal w/ FRS
Which could easily be scaled to Base Naruto's Rasengan let alone RSM Naruto's Rasengan. The power advantage will always go to Naruto in either form.Sasuke's Chidori is also capable of vaporizing a Mountain Sized Meteor which puts it in the same league as Bijuu Dama
And if Naruto decided to take advantage of his flying capabilities and blast Sasuke from the air, what is he going to do about it? Sasuke apparently couldn't use Preta Path on Momoshiki's Biju Bomb so I highly doubt it's useful here when Naruto's basic Biju Bomb could easily blow it away via Sasuke's own admission.Ameno lets him dodge what he can't overpower
I already proved with feats why this is false. And Naruto's not going to be holding back this time.Couple that with the fact that w/ a Katon diversion Sasuke tagged Naruto w/ Chidori using Ameno even though there was a wide gulf between their physical speed. That gap is much much smaller now
Huh?so we can forget about Naruto evading Ameno and he's not tanking a Bijuu Dama level attack w/o his Avatar so Sasuke kills him pretty easily
TSBs easily destroy the debris trying to trap Naruto.Oh yeah, and Chibaku Tensei. So yeah, Sasuke destroys him.
Base Naruto was getting overwhelmed pretty easily. He parried one blow, dodged another but was smacked away by Momoshiki's kick. Sasuke's clash against Kinshiki lasted longer and actually involved weaponry while Momoshiki attacked Naruto barehanded, another reason why this comparison is faulty.Not a game changer? You seem to forget Base Naruto's performance against Kinshiki absorbed Momoshiki.
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Compare that to Sasuke vs Kinshiki.
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Naruto performed better than Sasuke did against a stronger opponent in base form and easily pushed him back in RSM . So his speed and strength is easily a game changer here which Sasuke will be hard pressed to overcome.
Amaterasu would spawn on the FRS so that doesn't really help. Once it's consumed there is nothing left for Naruto to control, and in a pinch Preta Path easily absorbs it.Naruto can manually control his Rasenshuriken now so it's debatable whether or not Sasuke's Amaterasu/Enton can deal with it successfully.
No it can't. The power of Naruto's Rasengan in KCM is blatantly shown in the movie and it doesn't approach Mountain Level.Which could easily be scaled to Base Naruto's Rasengan let alone RSM Naruto's Rasengan. The power advantage will always go to Naruto in either form.
Blast Sasuke with what? His only projectile is FRS, which Sasuke can absorb or consume w/ FRS. The bold makes zero sense. Momoshiki's Bijuu Dama is far above anything Naruto has access to without his Avatar in terms of chakra amount and power, so how does Sasuke being unable to absorb that mean he's unable to absorb things like FRS, Giant FRS and Rasengan?And if Naruto decided to take advantage of his flying capabilities and blast Sasuke from the air, what is he going to do about it? Sasuke apparently couldn't use Preta Path on Momoshiki's Biju Bomb so I highly doubt it's useful here when Naruto's basic Biju Bomb could easily blow it away via Sasuke's own admission.
No, you didn't. Your comparison was faulty and indirect.I already proved with feats why this is false. And Naruto's not going to be holding back this time.
:lol I hope you're joking. Naruto's Avatar>Naruto's body in durability. (I hope you don't try to argue that the inverse is true) Naruto's Avatar is on par with Sasuke''s Avatar in durability. Naruto got stabbed byYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see images
Dude's a tank. You can see that even without his avatar, RSM Naruto's durability exceeds Sasuke's Susanoo. You can also see how powerful Kaguya's Vacuum Palms is compared to the Chidori/Biju Bomb clash since she easily destroyed Susanoo compared to the minor damage the clash caused which would easily put Naruto above the mountain level Chidori even if we disregard the feats from The Last which places his durability even higher. Sasuke's Chidori would easily be tanked like last time.
Adult Naruto doesn't even have Gudo Dama. So no. OP made it clear that this is feats only even if you wanted to argue that he could recreate them.TSBs easily destroy the debris trying to trap Naruto.
None of those are power boosters. Full Kurama is more chakra, not stronger chakra. That's pointless when Naruto isn't using his Avatar. Hashirama's cells also only boost stamina and chakra. Not the power of jutsu.Naruto wins this simply because Sasuke's base moveset isn't enough, especially considering the full Kurama + Hashirama's cell amp Naruto received. The only way I see Sasuke winning is to open a portal on Naruto somehow honestly.
Naruto's clones with Cho odoma rasengan barrage, superior speed and strength > Sasuke's clones. Enton can be useful In some cases but it can be evaded and it wouldnt help sasuke that much when he gets completely outnumbered by Naruto's clones.Sasuke can counter Naruto clones with his own and enton. Sasuke would definitely have the advantage in CQC.
Frog Kata is just Natural energy being use as a weapon and Sasuke can sense OR see Natural energy, which make frog kata useless.
A diversion and a meteorite busting chidori would end Naruto
The OP said only the avatars are restricted. I find it pretty funny how you mention adult Sasuke using Rinnegan abilities yet Naruto can't use TSBs.Base Naruto was getting overwhelmed pretty easily. He parried one blow, dodged another but was smacked away by Momoshiki's kick. Sasuke's clash against Kinshiki lasted longer and actually involved weaponry while Momoshiki attacked Naruto barehanded, another reason why this comparison is faulty.
Also Base Naruto can't even take on Base Momoshiki.
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RSM Naruto wasn't easily pushing him back either. He landed a single attack. So nah, Naruto's speed is not going to a game changer. Strength would be an issue if it weren't for Sasuke's Ninjutsu, so that doesn't help him here either.
Amaterasu would spawn on the FRS so that doesn't really help. Once it's consumed there is nothing left for Naruto to control, and in a pinch Preta Path easily absorbs it.
No it can't. The power of Naruto's Rasengan in KCM is blatantly shown in the movie and it doesn't approach Mountain Level.
Blast Sasuke with what? His only projectile is FRS, which Sasuke can absorb or consume w/ FRS. The bold makes zero sense. Momoshiki's Bijuu Dama is far above anything Naruto has access to without his Avatar in terms of chakra amount and power, so how does Sasuke being unable to absorb that mean he's unable to absorb things like FRS, Giant FRS and Rasengan?
And btw Sasuke said Naruto could easily blow it away. No one ever said it was with his basic Bijuu Dama. Naruto likely would've continued to charge his attack if he had the intention of countering.
No, you didn't. Your comparison was faulty and indirect.You must be registered for see linksThe gap in their speed has gotten smaller since then, thus we are met with the same result. Sasuke hits and kills him w/ Chidori this time.
Huh?
:lol I hope you're joking. Naruto's Avatar>Naruto's body in durability. (I hope you don't try to argue that the inverse is true) Naruto's Avatar is on par with Sasuke''s Avatar in durability. Naruto got stabbed byYou must be registered for see linksHe's not on par w/ PS.
>He did not tank a Moon Cutting Blade.
Naruto was shown later on in the crack made by the blade. If he took a direct hit he would've been pushed down and through and out of the area and even the Moon itself entirely even if he was durable enough to tank it. The blade hit the ground and circled down and through the moon.
>He did not tank what Sasuke's Susanoo failed to tank obviously.
The fists used against Sasuke's Susanoo are larger and thus stronger than what Naruto overpowered. Yes, overpowered. He's shown punching through the fist in that scan, not tanking it. Then we have the fact that Kaguya wasn't even trying to kill him so it's pretty obvious she was holding back along with the fact that we can blatantly see her holding back.
That explosion from The Last when Toneri absorbed his chakra is also irrelevant. Base Naruto is not as durable as cloaked Naruto who is not as durable as cloaked Naruto's Kurama Mode thus there's no arguing Naruto w/o his Avatar is on par with Sasuke's Susanoo in durability let alone superior. All posting that feat does is show that the blast is weak enough to be survived by Base Naruto and anyone on par or superior to him.
Adult Naruto doesn't even have Gudo Dama. So no. OP made it clear that this is feats only even if you wanted to argue that he could recreate them.
None of those are power boosters. Full Kurama is more chakra, not stronger chakra. That's pointless when Naruto isn't using his Avatar. Hashirama's cells also only boost stamina and chakra. Not the power of jutsu.