This chapter reminded me a little bit about Doffy's backstory where he used his Haki and immediately Trebol and Diamante(maybe) accepted him as their captain.
BM eating everyone was kind a disgusting to be honest.
Didn't understand how Cipher pol didn't went after BM especially when they knew she was Admiral lvl person without any DF powers.
Also I didn't understand how BM got Caramel's power. I suppose possible explanation might be that DF's starts growing inside previous deceased user and the moment BM ate Caramel DF power transferred to new user.
I find it funny though that the cook has such a long history with BM. A few weeks ago there was a guy bashing on certain characters because he considered them to be a waste of panels and now one of those characters he mentioned suddenly became the first member of BM's pirate crew xd
Yup the cook had a role in starting BM pirates and maybe he is going to reveal what happened to Caramel and the kids in this arc. So I accept I was wrong there.
Lmao yea you can't be serious your saying that luffy had to smash cracker through his own soldiers to win, but luffy's Kong Gun was strong enough to break his soldier in half which means Luffy's attack power in gear 4 is stronger then crackers defense.
What good does this do when Luffy is being swarmed by ten Bis. Soldiers at the same time from all directions? Gear Fourth's fighting style revolves around heavy blows with a hang-time, relying on the blow to stun the opponent during the hang-time. We saw this backfire when Luffy hit a Kong Gun and broke the biscuit, and the real Cracker almost cleaved off his arm during the hang-time. It's not made for moves to be released in rapid succession, which makes him vulnerable in a fight where he's being swarmed.
You say my example of law and luffy is a bad example since they are both weaker then doflamingo lmao is the combination of law and luffy weaker then the combination of Nami and luffy.
This isn't at all related to why I said your example was bad. I said it was bad because you're arguing that Luffy isn't weaker than Cracker just because it was a group fight, using a fight that Luffy would have lost 1 vs 1 as justification.
Because, as you said, Luffy and Law are stronger than Luffy and Nami.
If luffy would have one shotted cracker the mystic and power scaling for the commanders of yonkos would've plummeted drastically and the reader loses interest that's common knowledge.
What good does this do when Luffy is being swarmed by ten Bis. Soldiers at the same time from all directions? Gear Fourth's fighting style revolves around heavy blows with a hang-time, relying on the blow to stun the opponent during the hang-time. We saw this backfire when Luffy hit a Kong Gun and broke the biscuit, and the real Cracker almost cleaved off his arm during the hang-time. It's not made for moves to be released in rapid succession, which makes him vulnerable in a fight where he's being swarmed.
This isn't at all related to why I said your example was bad. I said it was bad because you're arguing that Luffy isn't weaker than Cracker just because it was a group fight, using a fight that Luffy would have lost 1 vs 1 as justification.
Because, as you said, Luffy and Law are stronger than Luffy and Nami.
Which is why Oda make Cracker stronger than Luffy.
What in the world are you talking about gear 4 doesn't have any hang time that is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Cracker attacked luffy with such speed that his hand wasn't able to retract fast enough he caught luffy off guard wow I didn't expect something so ridiculous coming from you. You say law and luffy's fight against doffy didn't last 11 hours because they are stronger then luffy and Nami but Nami didn't deal cracker any damage. Law dealt doffy critical damage and still that fight didn't last 11 hours. Nami never attacked cracker all she did was make it rain. The fight lasted that long because it was a battle of stamina cracker tried to overwhelm luffy with numbers and luffy tried to kill crackers stamina via him making so many soldiers. On another note cracker attacked luffy once by himself then didn't try that again because of how lethal gear 4 was I.E. luffy being stronger so he kept his distance and hid behind an army of soldiers.
What in the world are you talking about gear 4 doesn't have any hang time that is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Cracker attacked luffy with such speed that his hand wasn't able to retract fast enough he caught luffy off guard wow I didn't expect something so ridiculous coming from you.
For a Luffy fanboy, you really don't pay attention to his strongest ability. Gear Fourth works through piston actions, meaning he has to pull in the attacking limb, build up tensile strength, and then release that to create the obscene burst of power. The point between wind-up and release, and then release and wind-up are both periods of hang-time. The following spoiler is filled with moments that can be considered "hang-time" or "build-up," whatever you wish to call it.
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where Luffy delivers the Leo Bazooka can be considered a moment of hang-time. Gear Fourth revolves around building up tension, and the tension goes into a burst of explosive power towards a focal point. But in this scenario, that's exactly the problem: It's a burst, and it towards a focal point. Because it's a burst, it requires build-up again, it's not rapid-fire. And because the power is released towards a linear focal point, it doesn't cover a wide area of effect in terms of targets it can hit. This is horrible for situations where Luffy has to fight a group because while he is undergoing build-up, they can swarm him from multiple angles. And even if he releases the attack from the build-up, the force is only released towards one direction, so if Luffy is being attacked from behind, below, above, the front, and to the sides at the same time, he can only release his power in one of these directions, which leaves him open in each other direction to multiple attacks at once. The only attack is Culverin, but that has its own set of issues I can go into in my next reply if you want.
You say law and luffy's fight against doffy didn't last 11 hours because they are stronger then luffy and Nami but Nami didn't deal cracker any damage. Law dealt doffy critical damage and still that fight didn't last 11 hours. Nami never attacked cracker all she did was make it rain.
This is...exactly my point? Because the team of Luffy and Nami can do less damage than the team of Luffy and Law, it will take them longer to deal enough damage to an enemy. Law could do critical damage to Doflamingo, while Nami couldn't do critical damage against Cracker, so Luffy had to do more work against Cracker, resulting in a longer fight.
If Luffy and Law fought Cracker, the fight would have been shorter than when Luffy and Nami did. If Luffy and Nami fought Doflamingo, the fight would have been longer than when Luffy and Law did. You did absolutely nothing to help your argument.
The fight lasted that long because it was a battle of stamina cracker tried to overwhelm luffy with numbers and luffy tried to kill crackers stamina via him making so many soldiers.
And Luffy's stamina only lasted so long because he was able to use Cracker's biscuits as a source of fuel/calories.
On another note cracker attacked luffy once by himself then didn't try that again because of how lethal gear 4 was I.E. luffy being stronger so he kept his distance and hid behind an army of soldiers.
Stop calling it "hiding behind an army of soldiers." That's like saying Mihawk and Zoro "hide behind their swords," or Whitebeard "hides behind his Quakes."
For a Luffy fanboy, you really don't pay attention to his strongest ability. Gear Fourth works through piston actions, meaning he has to pull in the attacking limb, build up tensile strength, and then release that to create the obscene burst of power. The point between wind-up and release, and then release and wind-up are both periods of hang-time. The following spoiler is filled with moments that can be considered "hang-time" or "build-up," whatever you wish to call it.
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where Luffy delivers the Leo Bazooka can be considered a moment of hang-time. Gear Fourth revolves around building up tension, and the tension goes into a burst of explosive power towards a focal point. But in this scenario, that's exactly the problem: It's a burst, and it towards a focal point. Because it's a burst, it requires build-up again, it's not rapid-fire. And because the power is released towards a linear focal point, it doesn't cover a wide area of effect in terms of targets it can hit. This is horrible for situations where Luffy has to fight a group because while he is undergoing build-up, they can swarm him from multiple angles. And even if he releases the attack from the build-up, the force is only released towards one direction, so if Luffy is being attacked from behind, below, above, the front, and to the sides at the same time, he can only release his power in one of these directions, which leaves him open in each other direction to multiple attacks at once. The only attack is Culverin, but that has its own set of issues I can go into in my next reply if you want.
This is...exactly my point? Because the team of Luffy and Nami can do less damage than the team of Luffy and Law, it will take them longer to deal enough damage to an enemy. Law could do critical damage to Doflamingo, while Nami couldn't do critical damage against Cracker, so Luffy had to do more work against Cracker, resulting in a longer fight.
If Luffy and Law fought Cracker, the fight would have been shorter than when Luffy and Nami did. If Luffy and Nami fought Doflamingo, the fight would have been longer than when Luffy and Law did. You did absolutely nothing to help your argument.
And Luffy's stamina only lasted so long because he was able to use Cracker's biscuits as a source of fuel/calories.
Stop calling it "hiding behind an army of soldiers." That's like saying Mihawk and Zoro "hide behind their swords," or Whitebeard "hides behind his Quakes."
Yea there's a hang time so why didn't doflamingo expoilt this weakness why didn't cracker cut luffy's arms off when he was using Kong organ which is a rapid fire attack so your theory is yet again proven false. Nami did zero damage to cracker luffy defeated him all damage done to cracker was by luffy alone. I know you can't be serious Nami and luffy vs doflamingo is a massacre zero chance of victory. Big mom knew that luffy defeated doflamingo so she sent someone comparable to doflamingo. After a hard fight luffy gets stronger that is how he was able to beat cracker he is no longer at the level he was at when he defeated doflamingo. You have nothing to prove that luffy couldn't fight for 11 hours without Nami even lesser people have had drawn out fights like that. The two second in commands of the buggy pirates dueled for 8 hours straight, ace and Jinbe dueled for 3 day when they were younger, and You honestly believe a monster like luffy couldn't that's sad. Cracker was hiding because doffy could make clones which is a part of his power after luffy defeated his puppet he didn't make another not needed. Cracker kept his distance after Kong organ for a reason luffy's power was to much for him pretty simple if you ask me.
He did. Doflamingo is just one guy, so Luffy didn't have the problem of Gear Fourth's attacks being focused in one direction while Doflamingo was fighting with just himself. But once Awakening was brought in, where attacks were coming in from multiple directions, Luffy was thrown into a corner for 30 minutes. This is what subsequently led to Luffy burning out and being unable to finish the job, which is exactly what would have happened had he not been able to eat Cracker's biscuits thanks to Nami.
why didn't cracker cut luffy's arms off when he was using Kong organ which is a rapid fire attack so your theory is yet again proven false.
As you yourself said, Luffy vs Cracker was heavily a stamina game. But it's because of Nami that Luffy was able to have the stamina to play that game. Without Nami, he'd have been killed by running out of stamina way before Cracker.
I know you can't be serious Nami and luffy vs doflamingo is a massacre zero chance of victory. Big mom knew that luffy defeated doflamingo so she sent someone comparable to doflamingo.
Except it was openly indicated that Luffy was using the calories from the biscuits to keep on fueling himself.
The two second in commands of the buggy pirates dueled for 8 hours straight, ace and Jinbe dueled for 3 day when they were younger, and You honestly believe a monster like luffy couldn't that's sad.
That's not how that works. You mention that two weaklings from Buggy's crew clashed for 8 hours straight, and yet Luffy and Lucci, who are wayyyyy stronger than them, looked like this after less than an hour of fighting.
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Cracker was hiding because doffy could make clones which is a part of his power after luffy defeated his puppet he didn't make another not needed. Cracker kept his distance after Kong organ for a reason luffy's power was to much for him pretty simple if you ask me.
This is only a valid argument if you think raw power is the only facet of a fight, which is foolish. If Luffy didn't eat Cracker's biscuits, he'd have burned himself out trying to get past them, leaving himself wide open to an onslaught.
I did, what part of my reply do you think didn't correlate with your post? You said Luffy couldn't beat BM on his own, I pointed out that was an irrelevant point since this situation isn't Luffy vs BM 1 on 1. You said Luffy can't beat Cracker so he can't beat BM, I said but Luffy couldn't beat Doffy or Kaido on his own either and he still ended up beating them by the end of the arc. You said it as a fact but there's been characters Luffy couldn't beat on his own
The situations on Dressrosa and Thriller Bark aren't comparable to WCI either.
Of course they are, all things are comparable. The "x and y aren't comparable" argument is a last resort when there's not a counterpoint. Without help Luffy wouldn't have beaten Oars and without those 100 shadows Luffy wouldn't have beat Moriah, without Law and the townspeople he wouldn't have beaten Doffy. Just because it's of a greater magnitude now doesn't mean the situations don't share some similarities.
I did, what part of my reply do you think didn't correlate with your post? You said Luffy couldn't beat BM on his own, I pointed out that was an irrelevant point since this situation isn't Luffy vs BM 1 on 1.
My post clearly is addressing the fanboys who maintain that Luffy is carrying more power than BM.
You said Luffy can't beat Cracker so he can't beat BM, I said but Luffy couldn't beat Doffy or Kaido on his own either and he still ended up beating them by the end of the arc. You said it as a fact but there's been characters Luffy couldn't beat on his own
And he can't beat Big Mom on his own. That is my argument. Not whether or not she will end up defeated, in this conversation, but that Luffy alone can't do it. Whether or not he can do it with help is irrelevant to the conversation that you decided to half-ass butt your way in.
Of course they are, all things are comparable. The "x and y aren't comparable" argument is a last resort when there's not a counterpoint. Without help Luffy wouldn't have beaten Oars and without those 100 shadows Luffy wouldn't have beat Moriah, without Law and the townspeople he wouldn't have beaten Doffy. Just because it's of a greater magnitude now doesn't mean the situations don't share some similarities.
Except there's not, since there was never a point in Dressrosa or Thriller Bark where Oda employed the same red herring literary style as WCI. In WCI, Oda pulled a first by having everything go uncharacteristically well in the Strawhats' way so he could flip it tremendously. In Dressrosa and Thriller Bark, it was up and down, never a steady rise just to fall. In Dressrosa, there was never a point where the Strawhats were portrayed as overwhelmingly inferior to their enemy force like the current chapter in WCI. Thriller Bark came close, but we had Luffy with the shadows as an indication that they weren't completely outclassed, while we have no such indication in this arc.
He did. Doflamingo is just one guy, so Luffy didn't have the problem of Gear Fourth's attacks being focused in one direction while Doflamingo was fighting with just himself. But once Awakening was brought in, where attacks were coming in from multiple directions, Luffy was thrown into a corner for 30 minutes. This is what subsequently led to Luffy burning out and being unable to finish the job, which is exactly what would have happened had he not been able to eat Cracker's biscuits thanks to Nami.
Except he's open the same way while using Kong Gun and Cracker's soldiers are capable of withstanding it.
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This still leaves him in a bad position if he's attacked by a swarm.
As you yourself said, Luffy vs Cracker was heavily a stamina game. But it's because of Nami that Luffy was able to have the stamina to play that game. Without Nami, he'd have been killed by running out of stamina way before Cracker.
This does absolutely nothing to argue my point. You have a serious reading comprehension issue.
Except it was openly indicated that Luffy was using the calories from the biscuits to keep on fueling himself.
That's not how that works. You mention that two weaklings from Buggy's crew clashed for 8 hours straight, and yet Luffy and Lucci, who are wayyyyy stronger than them, looked like this after less than an hour of fighting.
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This is only a valid argument if you think raw power is the only facet of a fight, which is foolish. If Luffy didn't eat Cracker's biscuits, he'd have burned himself out trying to get past them, leaving himself wide open to an onslaught.
Your continue to spout out nonsense and lies doflamingo awakening came into play after gear 4 was done gear 4 was never overwhelmed or put into a corner by doflamingo awakening. Law stated that luffy was using to much Haki and then he burned out. Luffy then stated that he needed 10 minutes for his Haki to return. Luffy didn't finish the job with his first gear 4 transformation because he assumed that his Leo bazooka was enough to put doflamingo down. This led luffy to state that if he is allowed time for his Haki to return he would put down doflamingo with one attack. If luffy came out with his King Kong Gun from the start the fight would've ended there. Luffy burned out for being in Gear 4 for to long and over using his Haki this had nothing to do with your stupid notion of food and or calories smfh.
You completely ignored my question I asked you why didn't cracker cut of luffy's arms when he was using Kong organ since there is a hang time with his gear 4 attacks. You just spitting out bs saying gear 4 isn't meant for rapid fire attack which luffy uses a rapid fire attack in this form. You say cracker almost cut luffy's arm of do to a hang time which was stupid when it was clear as day that cracker caught luffy off guard and attacked with such speed that luffy's hand couldn't retract fast enough. In marine forward luffy foreseen Mihawk cutting his hands off was that because all of luffy's attacks have a hang time or because Mihawk was fast enough to do so. So stop utter that garbage.
It was never openly indicated that without Nami luffy wouldn't be able to fight for 11 hours so more lies. Show me where luffy or anybody states or even implied that without eating luffy couldn't fight for 11 hours. You can't so stop saying that.
It's funny you targeted the guys from buggy's crew for being weak. Then countered with luffy vs Lucci, but then ignored the fact that jinbe and ace fought for 3 days straight. Luffy and lucci are strong and so are jinbe and ace. Akainu and aokiji fought for 10 days a fight can last a long time and it depends on the fighters. Luffy has fought the like of rob lucci and doflamingo he is a top tier fighter who could fight for days if need be.
Luffy fought cracker for 11 hours, then got beat down by sanji, fought an enraged army destroying all the chest piece soldiers, rampaged through big moms castle, waited for sanji, then had a meeting with beg. He didn't sleep for a full day+ and he hadn't eaten since he defeated cracker and you have the audacity to say he would have burned out yea you're hilarious my friend.
Big moms backstory hasn't really been that great for me. We all know they had to fight her in this war. It wasn't going to be a one shot kill against a yonkou that would be ridiculous.
Begs should have a mirror inside him then they can escape. I want them to move on to the reverie. And then wano. That was all susspose to happen by the end of the year and time is running out. Big mom can't be taken out right now she's probably gunna follow them to wano
Many people expected Luffy's reckless antics and entrance to ruin the plan. A certain group of idiots here also expected Sanji's lust for Pudding to ruin it.
Many people expected Luffy's reckless antics and entrance to ruin the plan. A certain group of idiots here also expected Sanji's lust for Pudding to ruin it.
