Byakugan Grants Abilities

[Jinrou]

I believe it is intended to disrupt the normal flow of chakra, rendering chakra control useless.

WIki entry on chakra control

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Because chakra takes time and a great deal of training to gradually build up, the key to its use is not actually having large amounts of chakra but instead being able to sufficiently control and conserve it. This is called chakra control (チャクラコントロール , chakura kontorōru). In order to have good chakra control, a ninja should only mould as much chakra as they need to perform a given ability. If they mould more chakra than is needed, the excess chakra is wasted and they will tire out faster from its loss. If they don't mould enough chakra, a technique will not be performed effectively, if at all, likely creating problems in a combat situation.

disruption in chakra flow=overall harm

I don't think the last part is correct.

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If you go on ahead and read the next pages after the link above, kakashi states Kyuubi was messing with Naruto's control but as we know that brought him no harm whatsoever.

But as Ebisu says, 0 chakra equals death which means inserting GF into the chakra surrounding an organ and destroying the chakra there = death for organ. Which could yet again imply GF is like poison chakra...but again all this is pure speculation on my part.

 

[Holy God]

It was still the Jūken, what finger sized Jūkens going to do to a Perfect Susanoo? Nothing. So hers was a more chakra powered one that destroyed his chakra constrict.

I didn't say that Gentle Fist never destroyed chakra, but rather that it hasn't through injection. Sure, Kaguya destroyed Susano'o with pure force, but she didn't do it through injection, which is what Neji is talking about.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Would their be Tenketsu feats without the byakugan? Is their any other Ninja or kkg that can see tenketsus?

The Byakugan is the only one that can see tenketsus, chakra network and direct chakra flow. They can also control their own and have one of the best chakra control, related to all this is their Taijutsu (which can only be done with a Byakugan, cause it's see the tenketsus), which works alongside their all seeing eyes. Just like Kamui and Susanoo etc are Ninjutsu kkg techniques for the sharingan, Jūken is a Taijutsu kkg that can only be done with the byakugan.

Mate, By tenketsu feats, I mean the innate ability of the Hyuuga clan to expel chakra from 361 tenketsus which is not Byakugan-dependent.

@bold that is what I mean, controling their tenketsu, all of 361 tenketsus might be the KKG itself, ergo, the Jyuuken, their taijutsu KKG. this is what I meant when I said tenketsu feat.

So Tenketsu feat grants Jyuuken, not the Byakugan. Exploiting Byakugan greatly advances the Jyuuken.

 

[Hakke]

So you think that if Neji shoved his hand into a Fire Ball Jutsu it would destroy the technique?

well if he managed to inject Chakra into it then yeah. but I really doubt that injecting Chakra into fire or lighting or these types of Chakra is even possible so No.

Neji's statement must be some sort of hyperbole, because the Gentle Fist has never destroyed something made of chakra by injecting chakra into it.

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The one moment it is attempted,

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what Neji did that he basically inserted Chakra so yes it is by injection lol. also they don't have to make a needle sharp object to destroy Chakra seeing how body blow body did the same Job

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also the reason that the webs weren't destroyed was because Neji wanted to channel Chakra through it so he didn't intend to destroy it. Hinata's jutsu the twin lion gentle fist has the ability to absorb Chakra yet Naruto was able to merge Rasengan with it.

also aren't Kidomara's webs made of a natural spit then he mixed chakra with it to make it stronger?

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the webs were not really made of Chakra I think that's why it was possible for Neji to channel Chakra through it

Nearly impossible, yes, but it can still be done through luck/practice. The Rinnegan can also see the pressure points.

I really doubt that.

and the Rinnegan can only see the 8 gate the chakra network is another story

 

[HyuugaHeir]

I don't think the last part is correct.

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If you go on ahead and read the next pages after the link above, kakashi states Kyuubi was messing with Naruto's control but as we know that brought him no harm whatsoever.

But as Ebisu says, 0 chakra equals death which means inserting GF into the chakra surrounding an organ and destroying the chakra there = death for organ. Which could yet again imply GF is like poison chakra...but again all this is pure speculation on my part.

Yeah, well everything is still being analysed. That poison chakra is interesting.

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Apparently the internal damage is because of the damage in the inner coils that surround the chakra producing organs.

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Chakra is created when two other forms of energy, known collectively as one's "stamina", are moulded together. Physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) is collected from each and every one of the body's cells and can be increased through training, stimulants, and exercise. Spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī, English TV: Mental Energy) is derived from the mind's consciousness and can be increased through studying, meditation, and experience. These two energies becoming more powerful will in turn make the created chakra more powerful. Therefore, practising a technique repeatedly will build up experience, increasing one's spiritual energy, and thus allowing more chakra to be created. As a result, the ninja is able to do that same technique with more power. This same cycle applies for physical energy, except the ninja needs to increase their endurance instead.

About Kyuubi messing with naruto's chakra control...
Chakra is created by moulding energies inside the body. Kyuubi is some sort of another source of such energy and he is a part of Naruto. His seal was made intently for his chakra to seep through for Naruto to control gradually, thank you Minato.

Jyuuken is different. It forcefully targets the chakra circulatory system unlike Kyuubi's influence to Naruto. kakashi's comment also contexts only about the amount of Chakra Naruto has and Kyuubi's presence which is definitely different from Jyuuken's settings. It is being faulted at Naruto's moulding bec he had to mould like three different sources of chakra sort of.

CAse Closed.

 

[Holy God]

what Neji did that he basically inserted Chakra so yes it is by injection. also they don't have to make a needle sharp object to destroy Chakra seeing how body blow body did the same Job

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also the reason that the webs weren't destroyed was because Neji wanted to use it as a medium to channel Chakra through it so he didn't intend to destroy it. Hinata's jutsu the twin lion gentle fist has the ability to absorb Chakra yet Naruto was able to merge Rasengan with it.

also aren't Kidomara's webs made of a natural spit then he mixed chakra with it to make it stronger?

It doesn't matter what Neji intended. He injected chakra into it and nothing happened. It was used as a medium as you said, which means it carried the same chakra that Kidoumaru was affected with, and yet the string was left perfectly intact. Aside from that, injection has never been shown in the manga to do anything. Can't comment on Hinata's examples since that's from a movie and defies the mechanics of the technique as far as I know.

Yes, Kidoumaru's webs consist of his spit and a constant flow of chakra.

I really doubt that. and the Rinnegan can only see the 8 gate the chakra network is another story

The eight gates are pressure points just like the other 353, and Madara was also able to see the direct chakra network in-between them. It's safe to say that the other nonsense was removed so that we would know which to focus on, but either way Gentle Fist can still be used with the Rinnegan, even if with only eight pressure points.

 

[Mori Jin]

Madara also saw when they were deactivated and running completely low on chakra. You could say the Rinnegan can't see all of them since such was never shown, but that really makes no sense logically and it was probably just so the readers know specifically which to focus on. Even if we consider that though, Gentle Fist can still be utilized on just those eight, especially since they're the most important.

The Hyuuga are the only ones able to utilise their own Tenkutsu to make use of their Taijutsu. Seeing and not being able to do anything about it is useless.

 

[Holy God]

The Hyuuga are the only ones able to utilise their own Tenkutsu to make use of their Taijutsu. Seeing and not being able to do anything about it is useless.

No they're not. They are only special in that they can utilize all pressure points at the same time while most people can only do certain areas (hands/feet).

 

[Hakke]

Yes, Kidoumaru's webs consist of his spit and a constant flow of chakra.

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that's why it wasn't affected and he was able to channel Chakra through it. because it was not made from Chakra but Kidomaru just let his Chakra flow through it to make it stronger. Neji simply did the same thing

The eight gates are pressure points just like the other 353, and Madara was also able to see the direct chakra network in-between them. It's safe to say that the other nonsense was removed so that we would know which to focus on, but either way Gentle Fist can still be used with the Rinnegan, even if with only eight pressure points.

well... it is not an impossibility. the Rinnegan user might be able to use the gentle fist and strike some certain areas but nowhere near efficient as the Byakugan user

 

[Mori Jin]

I didn't say that Gentle Fist never destroyed chakra, but rather that it hasn't through injection. Sure, Kaguya destroyed Susano'o with pure force, but she didn't do it through injection, which is what Neji is talking about.

Seems similar to Hinatas Lion fist just bigger and stronger
It hasn't cause the author couldn't be asked to right about it, its always had the ability and been said that it could.

 

[Made in Heaven]

It does make sense why Neji was able to channel Chakra into it without destroying it since the silk is made of normal material with Chakra inside it, not specifically made of Chakra itself, and Neji's Byakugan looking into the web show this.

 

[Mori Jin]

No they're not. They are only special in that they can utilize all pressure points at the same time while most people can only do certain areas (hands/feet).

Meant to say all Tenketsu my mistake

 

[Made in Heaven]

Madara also saw when they were deactivated and running completely low on chakra. You could say the Rinnegan can't see all of them since such was never shown, but that really makes no sense logically and it was probably just so the readers know specifically which to focus on. Even if we consider that though, Gentle Fist can still be utilized on just those eight, especially since they're the most important.

I dont think the 8 Gates can be interacted with using the Gentle Fist since they are far different than the other points. Unless you want to say the Hyuga can all use 8th Gate which I'd be more than happy to accept :lol

 

[Holy God]

that's why it wasn't affected and he was able to channel Chakra through it. because it was not made from Chakra but Kidomaru just let his Chakra flow through it to make it stronger. Neji simply did the same thing

Then what's the point in him exclaiming the Gentle Fist destroys all chakra by putting chakra into it if he never does this and it is never done in the rest of the story? It may not be disprovable, but it surely isn't proven either.

I'm not completely sold on the string thing though considering we don't know completely how it works. It's not completely chakra obviously, but it should still be affected by Neji's chakra considering that his spit gains it's composure and abilities through chakra, which if destroyed should make the technique unstable.

 

[Holy God]

I dont think the 8 Gates can be interacted with using the Gentle Fist since they are far different than the other points. Unless you want to say the Hyuga can all use 8th Gate which I'd be more than happy to accept :lol

That doesn't make any sense. The eight gates are not "far different" than the others points. It's been explained that Gentle Fist can open and close pressure points so it should be able to forcible open the eight gates.

 

[Hakke]

Then what's the point in him exclaiming the Gentle Fist destroys all chakra by putting chakra into it if he never does this and it is never done in the rest of the story? It may not be disprovable, but it surely isn't proven either.

Bro. it happened canonically

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Neji here have put Chakra into Chakra and destroyed it

I'm not completely sold on the string thing though considering we don't know completely how it works. It's not completely chakra obviously, but it should still be affected by Neji's chakra considering that his spit gains it's composure and abilities through chakra, which if destroyed should make the technique unstable.

actually, the Chakra in the string is destroyed and replaced with Neji's Chakra so why it should be affected or unstable?

 

[Made in Heaven]

That doesn't make any sense. The eight gates are not "far different" than the others points. It's been explained that Gentle Fist can open and close pressure points so it should be able to forcible open the eight gates.

So Hyuga can use 8 Gate of Death? Wow Hinata solos

 

[Holy God]

Bro. it happened canonically

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Neji here have putten Chakra into Chakra and destroyed it

No. Kidoumaru says right there that he cut the thinnest part of the string with chakra, not inject chakra into it.

actually, the Chakra in the string is destroyed and replaced with Neji's Chakra so why it should be affected or unstable?

That literally makes no sense. Neji doesn't have Truth-Seeking Spheres for chakra; he can't just destroy other people's chakra by touch. If he was just "replacing" chakra, then you have just admitted that if he were to inject chakra into someone's technique to destroy it, then he'd only be powering it (or doing nothing by "replacing") with his own chakra.

 

[Hakke]

No. Kidoumaru says right there that he cut the thinnest part of the string with chakra, not inject chakra into it.

yes, but Neji statement was clear. and don't forget that Neji also did destroy his webs with One Blow Body. which is basically a powerful release of Chakra

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it could be that the blown Chakra was injected to the web-like Chakra substance and destroyed it.

That literally makes no sense. Neji doesn't have Truth-Seeking Spheres for chakra; he can't just destroy other people's chakra by touch. If he was just "replacing" chakra, then you have just admitted that if he were to inject chakra into someone's technique to destroy it, then he'd only be powering it (or doing nothing by "replacing") with his own chakra.

the webs were just a natural substance and not Chakra. so it was possible for him to channel Chakra through it.

a normal Chakra substance like Susanoo in example (sorry for this example) is just a raw Chakra so injecting Chakra into it would just destroy it. it is not like Kidomaru's web, a natural substance that is fueled with Chakra, so it won't be refueled

 

[Holy God]

yes, but Neji statement was clear. and don't forget that Neji also did destroy his webs with One Blow Body. which is basically a powerful release of Chakra

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it could be that the blown Chakra was injected to the web-like Chakra substance and destroyed it.

That technique is just force too, or else all of the string would be destroyed.

the webs were just a natural substance and not Chakra. so it was possible for him to channel Chakra through it.

Kidoumaru calls it the opposite ("web-like chakra").

a normal Chakra substance like Susanoo in example is just a raw Chakra so injecting Chakra into it would just destroy it. it is not like Kidomaru's web, a natural substance that is fueled with Chakra, so it won't be refueled

I don't quite understand you're last sentence. It won't be refueled?