We seen transplanted Sharingan being able to copy jutsu, read movement and do genjutsu. They are able to use MS jutsu if the Mangekyou Sharingan is unlocked.
We seen transplanted Rinnengan being able to do Rinnengan jutsu.
We never seen transplanted byakugan give gentle fist, but we have statement it requires training.
We seen transplanted Sharingan being able to copy jutsu, read movement and do genjutsu. They are able to use MS jutsu if the Mangekyou Sharingan is unlocked.
We seen transplanted Rinnengan being able to do Rinnengan jutsu.
We never seen transplanted byakugan give gentle fist, but we have statement it requires training.
Cause the story was never focused on the Hyuuga and now it is, so the author will come with new things for the Byakugan. Like how Himawari could suddenly use Gentle fist after awakening her Byakugan with no prior training.
We seen transplanted Sharingan being able to copy jutsu, read movement and do genjutsu. They are able to use MS jutsu if the Mangekyou Sharingan is unlocked.
We seen transplanted Rinnengan being able to do Rinnengan jutsu.
We never seen transplanted byakugan give gentle fist, but we have statement it requires training.
But the fact is that Himawari used gentle fist, facts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>statements.
Kakashi had to train to use kamui, are you going to say that kamui isn' t granted by the sharingan?
Byakugan only gives the user a much more enhanced control of their raw Chakra. Twin lion fist is a feat of Chakra control requiring the Byakugan to even be learnt and maintained or it will fail.
Byakugan is only one of the KKG's passed down in the Hyuga , which includes advanced Chakra control in the form of Gentle fist , Rotation , Air palm etc..
Byakugan does grant the control needed to use these techniques , but doesn't grant its own techniques with the Byakugan eye itself.
For me I believe it works similar to sharingan (not power wise).
Sharingan is listed as the Uchiha KKG, Just like the Byakugan is for the Hyuuga, the Jūken is listed as Taijutsu KKG. Now the sharingan can copy other jutsu/s but that doesn't mean they can automatically use it if they don't have the Chakra nature or haven't trained in that specific nature. Just like Kakashi had to teach Sasuke how to use the chidori and Sasuke couldn't just copy it with his eyes and automatically be able to use it. It's the same for the Byakugan, because Jūken is kkg (a Taijutsu one) if they know it automatically, but they have to train it, because there's no way they're just going to automatically know how successfully use the most advanced Tajutsu style in konoha (if not in the series). Just like how Sasuke copied Lee's speed but couldn't automatically use it and had to train his body for a month to get his body (fit?) use to the movement. Himawari is the same but (a prodigy I think she was called? Not sure), doesn't mean she ain't going to be trained by a Jūken master, hopefully by her Mom or Aunt. Anyway that's my take on it, feel free to agree or disagree.
For me I believe it works similar to sharingan (not power wise).
Sharingan is listed as the Uchiha KKG, Just like the Byakugan is for the Hyuuga, the Jūken is listed as Taijutsu KKG. Now the sharingan can copy other jutsu/s but that doesn't mean they can automatically use it if they don't have the Chakra nature or haven't trained in that specific nature. Just like Kakashi had to teach Sasuke how to use the chidori and Sasuke couldn't just copy it with his eyes and automatically be able to use it. It's the same for the Byakugan, because Jūken is kkg (a Taijutsu one) if they know it automatically, but they have to train it, because there's no way they're just going to automatically know how successfully use the most advanced Tajutsu style in konoha (if not in the series). Just like how Sasuke copied Lee's speed but couldn't automatically use it and had to train his body for a month to get his body (fit?) use to the movement. Himawari is the same but (a prodigy I think she was called? Not sure), doesn't mean she ain't going to be trained by a Jūken master, hopefully by her Mom or Aunt. Anyway that's my take on it, feel free to agree or disagree.
I think a more accurate correlation is uchiha sharingan genjutsu because u can unlock the sharingan but need to train sharingan genjutsu to use it. Also I don't think jyuken is Hyuuga kkg but something they excel at because of the byakugan
I think a more accurate correlation is uchiha sharingan genjutsu because u can unlock the sharingan but need to train sharingan genjutsu to use it. Also I don't think jyuken is Hyuuga kkg but something they excel at because of the byakugan
8 Trigrams Air Palm is a technique that's part of the Jūken Taijutsu and it's listed as a Taijutsu KKG in the databook, automatically makes the Jūken a Taijutsu KKG. Just like Sharingan Genjutsu (that can only be done with the Sharingan) are KKG techniques.
All Byakugan grants is 360 vision and superior chakra perception.
Hyuugas happened to have the innate ability to release chakra from every tenketsu of their body. This is the reason they devised the Gentle Fist art in the first place. When you say Gentle Fist, you mean the taijutsu style. Naturally it is learned and not a kekkei genkai. Athough it was noted that the Hyuuga clan have more than one KG.
The Hyuga have shown the ability to manipulate and expel chakra from all 361 tenketsu in their bodies, while it has been stated before that the average shinobi can only use a handful of their tenketsu via their hands and feet. Thus, through logical deduction, the other KKG they have is the unnamed one that allows them to use all of their tenketsu. The databooks don't mention it because it was never given a name, not because it doesn't exist. Both the Hyuga Clan's page and the tenketsu page state these things and cite them. The Hyuga have two KKG, the Byakugan and the unnamed tenketsu manipulation one.
People should know that Hyuuga, with the use of the Byakugan, perfect the art of Jyuuken, as they can see the chakra pathway system. Even more, Neji was skilled enough to see the tenketsus.
Ultimately, Byakugan is the only kekkei genkai of the Hyuuga, together with the unnamed tenketsu kg which they based their Jyuuken art from.
Don't start to argue about Himawari awakening her Byakugan and suddenly doing a Jyuuken finger, knocking out Naruto. She merely acted out of anger and impulse.
8 Trigrams Air Palm is a technique that's part of the Jūken Taijutsu and it's listed as a Taijutsu KKG in the databook, automatically makes the Jūken a Taijutsu KKG. Just like Sharingan Genjutsu (that can only be done with the Sharingan) are KKG techniques.
Since the databook said that, we can rule that every jyuuken move is a kekkei genkai. But if I were to put it in another interpretation, it is a taijutsu bec it is a Gentle Fist tech, and a KKG bec it is a tech that is exclusive to the Hyuuga clan, again bec of their innate ability to expel chakra from every tenketsu. Either way, Air palm is a KKG move.
Since the databook said that, we can rule that every jyuuken move is a kekkei genkai. But if I were to put it in another interpretation, it is a taijutsu bec it is a Gentle Fist tech, and a KKG bec it is a tech that is exclusive to the Hyuuga clan, again bec of their innate ability to expel chakra from every tenketsu. Either way, Air palm is a KKG move.
That's what I'm saying don't know if I should say differently. Just like kamui and tskuyomi and Susanoo and all other techniques that come with the sharingan and it's evolved forms are sharingan KKG, the same goes for the Byakugan. They have a doujutsu kkg (Byakugan) but they also have others that come with it (The Jūken, which is a Taijutsu KKG meaning it can only be done and mastered with the Byakugan) and others like expelling chakra from the chakra points, can't be taught to others who don't have the eye.
Uchiha have a doujutsu and their kkg is mostly if not all to do with Ninjutsu and Genjutsu kkg techniques.
Hyuuga have a doujutsu as well but theirs is mostly if not all to do with Taijutsu kkg techniques.
All Byakugan grants is 360 vision and superior chakra perception.
Hyuugas happened to have the innate ability to release chakra from every tenketsu of their body. This is the reason they devised the Gentle Fist art in the first place. When you say Gentle Fist, you mean the taijutsu style. Naturally it is learned and not a kekkei genkai. Athough it was noted that the Hyuuga clan have more than one KG.
The Hyuga have shown the ability to manipulate and expel chakra from all 361 tenketsu in their bodies, while it has been stated before that the average shinobi can only use a handful of their tenketsu via their hands and feet. Thus, through logical deduction, the other KKG they have is the unnamed one that allows them to use all of their tenketsu. The databooks don't mention it because it was never given a name, not because it doesn't exist. Both the Hyuga Clan's page and the tenketsu page state these things and cite them. The Hyuga have two KKG, the Byakugan and the unnamed tenketsu manipulation one.
People should know that Hyuuga, with the use of the Byakugan, perfect the art of Jyuuken, as they can see the chakra pathway system. Even more, Neji was skilled enough to see the tenketsus.
Ultimately, Byakugan is the only kekkei genkai of the Hyuuga, together with the unnamed tenketsu kg which they based their Jyuuken art from.
Don't start to argue about Himawari awakening her Byakugan and suddenly doing a Jyuuken finger, knocking out Naruto. She merely acted out of anger and impulse.
I don' t think releasing chakra from tenketsus is a Hyuga ability.Have you got a proof of that claim?
If that was the case, how would you explain the chakra scalpels or the rasengan or the kyubi chakra cloak?Chakra is also released from the tenketsu, even if you are not a hyuga.
I don' t think releasing chakra from tenketsus is a Hyuga ability.Have you got a proof of that claim?
If that was the case, how would you explain the chakra scalpels or the rasengan or the kyubi chakra cloak?Chakra is also released from the tenketsu, even if you are not a hyuga.
I think he ment like kaiten, when you release chakra from you're body. But any ninja can do that anyway. Rasengan and chidori wouldn't be possible if chakra wasn't released from the hand.
That's what I'm saying don't know if I should say differently. Just like kamui and tskuyomi and Susanoo and all other techniques that come with the sharingan and it's evolved forms are sharingan KKG, the same goes for the Byakugan. They have a doujutsu kkg (Byakugan) but they also have others that come with it (The Jūken, which is a Taijutsu KKG meaning it can only be done and mastered with the Byakugan) and others like expelling chakra from the chakra points, can't be taught to others who don't have the eye.
Uchiha have a doujutsu and their kkg is mostly if not all to do with Ninjutsu and Genjutsu kkg techniques.
Hyuuga have a doujutsu as well but theirs is mostly if not all to do with Taijutsu kkg techniques.
Just as long as you mean that Jyuuken is a standalone feat, and is not granted by the Byakugan, then I agree with you.
Let me try my best to tell things.
Uchiha KKG=Sharingan;
All ocular genjutsu stuff are granted by the Sharingan
MS techs are also granted by the Sharingan
Madara, despite lacking actual eyes, summoned his Susanoo. This can be explained by Tobirama's hypothesis that a special chakra from an Uchiha brain sprouts and manifest into an Uchiha's eye, ergo the Sharingan.
So, to interpret, Sharingan isn't the eye itself, but is the special chakra that is possessed by those with the Uchiha blood, and is being manifested on the eye.
Kakashi's Sharingan couldn't be deactivated, right? And His was advanced to MS at the same time Obito did. Their eyes were always connected since both were Obito's Sharingan from the start. These questions arise:
How did Kakashi's Sharingan advance to MS if he didn't possess the Uchiha special chakra?
Maybe, Obito's resonated with Kakashi's because it was emphasized how their Sharingan were
connected. I'm not a heavy SHaringan fanboy, so idunno.
Kaguya was also noted to have the Sharingan powers, not the Sharingan eye itself.
Kaguya had Sharingan powers which became the Uchiha's bloodline ability and as time passed and the clan formed, the kekkei genkai became the Sharingan (eye).
Hyuuga KKG=Byakugan + unnamed tenketsu thingy
Byakugan grants 360 vision and superior chakra perception
Neji's Byakugan was able to see tenketsus, a feat that wasn't easily accessible to the common Hyuuga.
It was also mentioned that the Hyuuga clan members can excel chakra from every tenketsu of their body, as opposed to other ninjas who can only expel chakra out from their hands and feet.
Thus, they developed their own taijutsu style that make use of this innate ability and called it the Gentle fist (Jyuuken). With the help of the Byakugan, they can efficiently target the chakra pathway system.
Kaguya has a Jyuuken reminiscent tech called the Eight God Palm Stuff hoho. It destroyed Sasuke's Susanoo, so it is safe to presume that it is some sort of Jyuuken tech, and by Jyuuken, I meant the chakra expelling KKG. Can someone already name that.
Byakugan doesn't grant Jyuuken. Jyuuken techs can be considered as KKGs, not because they are granted by the Byakugan but because they are Hyuuga exclusive, tenketsu manipulation style.
I think he ment like kaiten, when you release chakra from you're body. But any ninja can do that anyway. Rasengan and chidori wouldn't be possible if chakra wasn't released from the hand.
I agree.If jyuken was just chakra release that destroys chakra made things, why the rasengan doesn' t?
We don' t know exactly how the byakugan works, those who say they do know are mistaking and lying to themselves.
I don' t think releasing chakra from tenketsus is a Hyuga ability.Have you got a proof of that claim?
If that was the case, how would you explain the chakra scalpels or the rasengan or the kyubi chakra cloak?Chakra is also released from the tenketsu, even if you are not a hyuga.
The Hyuga have shown the ability to manipulate and expel chakra from all 361 tenketsu in their bodies, while it has been stated before that the average shinobi can only use a handful of their tenketsu via their hands and feet. Chakra scalpels, rasengan and the majorit of ninjutsu are performed via hands. Kyuubi Chakra cloak is a chakra mode, not necessarily ninjutsu. I dunno about that. I'm HyuugaHeir for a reason. I have extensively studied how the Hyuuga clan functions. hahahaahah
I think he ment like kaiten, when you release chakra from you're body. But any ninja can do that anyway. Rasengan and chidori wouldn't be possible if chakra wasn't released from the hand.
The Hyuga have shown the ability to manipulate and expel chakra from all 361 tenketsu in their bodies, while it has been stated before that the average shinobi can only use a handful of their tenketsu via their hands and feet. Thus, through logical deduction, the other KKG they have is the unnamed one that allows them to use all of their tenketsu. The databooks don't mention it because it was never given a name, not because it doesn't exist. Both the Hyuga Clan's page and the tenketsu page state these things and cite them. The Hyuga have two KKG, the Byakugan and the unnamed tenketsu manipulation one.
I agree.If jyuken was just chakra release that destroys chakra made things, why the rasengan doesn' t?
We don' t know exactly how the byakugan works, those who say they do know are mistaking and lying to themselves.
I dunno, but I think that is the KKG itself. Hyuuga can destroy chakra made stuff using chakra.
Ninjutsus are made possible by chakra but how does it differ from Jyuuken?
Maybe, Jyuuken uses raw chakra, and ninjutsus function differently in aspect of chakra.
I agree.If jyuken was just chakra release that destroys chakra made things, why the rasengan doesn' t?
We don' t know exactly how the byakugan works, those who say they do know are mistaking and lying to themselves.
Exactly..i had this discussion with one of the better Neji fans on here before. We know for a fact that
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through Kidomaru's thread to make it tougher but when Neji sends Jyuuken into it, the Jyuuken chakra has a darker tint to it.
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I always felt gentle fist chakra was different since it makes no sense how it can destroy organs by inserting chakra into the opponent when chakra was already flowing around said organs in the first place but it can't be proven thanks to kishi completely relegating them to the sidelines.
I dunno, but I think that is the KKG itself. Hyuuga can destroy chakra made stuff using chakra.
Ninjutsus are made possible by chakra but how does it differ from Jyuuken?
Maybe, Jyuuken uses raw chakra, and ninjutsus function differently in aspect of chakra.
That is almost the same hypothesis as Kidgamer and me, hyuga have access to a different chakra than every other ninja.
And there is nothing that proves that this special chakra couldn' t originate from the byakugan.
Exactly..i had this discussion with one of the better Neji fans on here before. We know for a fact that chakra flows through Kidomaru's thread to make it thicker but when Neji sends Jyuuken into it, the Jyuuken chakra has a darker tint to it.
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I always felt gentle fist chakra was different since it makes no sense how it can destroy organs by inserting chakra into the opponent when chakra was already flowing around said organs in the first place but it can't be proven thanks to kishi completely relegating them to the sidelines.
I like this explanation.
A lot of members came with that hypothesis, that hypothesis has never been proven impossible.Your scan is a good sign that hyuga have access to different chakra.
That's a shame that Kishimoto didn' t explain the byakugan techniques.
