[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 866 Discussion and 867 Predictions

[Love Cook]

Pre-time skip had way more focused and enjoyable fights and it was actually hype back then. What we have been seeing in the new world are little snippets and pieces of fights that have been either cut off or not focused on. Hell, Oda never even showed us Aokiji vs Akainu, which I'm sure we all wanted to see. The only fight that has been great post skip was Doffy vs Luffy and everyone was hyped for g4, which is why it was great.

What a load of bullshit.

There were a lot of fights that we didn't see pre-skip. And for some reason I've had to say this multiple times over the last couple of weeks as if some people are getting impatient because they didn't know what One Piece really is.

One Piece is not a fighting genre like Dragonball, Bleach, Naruto and Fairy Tail. It is an adventure manga. So all the windowdressing, backstory and world building makes for a more enjoyable story in the end than wasting 3 chapters on Akainu vs Aokiji just because it is a cool fight. Or Ace vs Jimbe and Whitebeard for the fun of it.

We need those snippets to create a timeline of events so that the build-up to a climax is better. Nobody wants Oda to blow his load early because that would take away from his end game.

My guess is that you're just impatient to read One Piece on a weekly basis while you were able to read the pre-skip in one go.

 

[Dannie]

What a load of bullshit.

There were a lot of fights that we didn't see pre-skip. And for some reason I've had to say this multiple times over the last couple of weeks as if some people are getting impatient because they didn't know what One Piece really is.

One Piece is not a fighting genre like Dragonball, Bleach, Naruto and Fairy Tail. It is an adventure manga. So all the windowdressing, backstory and world building makes for a more enjoyable story in the end than wasting 3 chapters on Akainu vs Aokiji just because it is a cool fight. Or Ace vs Jimbe and Whitebeard for the fun of it.

We need those snippets to create a timeline of events so that the build-up to a climax is better. Nobody wants Oda to blow his load early because that would take away from his end game.

My guess is that you're just impatient to read One Piece on a weekly basis while you were able to read the pre-skip in one go.

Don't have the patience to argue with some kid with temper problems.

Also, the fact that people have to keep highlighting how this is not an action-based manga is funny, as if we already don't know that. No need to keep repeating the obvious boy. What I am arguing is how Oda doesn't stay on topic with his fights. Also, this man just said that showing 3 chapters on Aokiji vs Akainu would be a waste of time. Damn son, I didn't think I could hear anything more ignorant in my life.

 

[Love Cook]

Also, the fact that people have to keep highlighting how this is not an action-based manga is funny, as if we already don't know that. No need to keep repeating the obvious boy. What I am arguing is how Oda doesn't stay on topic with his fights. Also, this man just said that showing 3 chapters on Aokiji vs Akainu would be a waste of time. Damn son, I didn't think I could hear anything more ignorant in my life.

I was wondering how you got up to almost 46K posts in 3 years time, but you not using the edit button clears it up a bit.

Also spend less time saying you don't want to argue, and more time reading. Never said I didn't want to see those fights, but those 3 chapters (which would probably be close to an entire month knowing One Piece's schedule) could be used for better purposes like I said before. How would it help the story if we saw that fight play out ? It wouldn't. That is why One Piece is a better manga than all the other shounen titles I named.

The irony that you're saying that people already know this is isn't an action manga, but within the same 5 sentence post call me ignorant for calling Akainu vs Aokiji padding because it adds nothing except for action is funny.

Also look up the word ignorant, you're using it wrong. But otherwise great job arguing. Especially the part where you want to discredit me first because I'm a short tempered kid. Really shows how many arguments you really have there.

I'm fine if you would just say you wanted to see the fight. But don't come up with that crap how One Piece was different pre-skip because it is not. At least not for the reasons you said.

The part where you said you don't have patience is correct. You don't have the patience to read this as a weekly series. Maybe drop it for half a year and read 20 chapters in a row.

 

[Dannie]

Aw no poor baby!

Don't worry, you'll learn one day.

Also spend less time saying you don't want to argue, and more time reading. Never said I didn't want to see those fights,

I think you should spend less time telling me to read and more time reading my posts a little better. I never said you didn't want to see the fight. I said how your claim about it being a waste of time was ignorant. Yes, I did use the world correctly as you claiming that 2 of the most important people in the marines squaring off would be a "waste of time" is damn retarded.

but those 3 chapters (which would probably be close to an entire month knowing One Piece's schedule) could be used for better purposes like I said before.

Riiiight.. because you know One Piece so well to make this bold statement. How do you know what would be better for One Piece? Your bias on certain things deludes you into thinking that an adventure based manga with story building and overused humor can't focus on fights once in awhile, and is why you are failing to understand any other angles for how this manga could happen would also be a good thing and better writing.

I am not dismissing world building(in fact, I have already defended and supported this), but when you have more wasted panels on overused humor and stale bickering when you could be focusing on much better things, yes I have an issue.

How would it help the story if we saw that fight play out ? It wouldn't. That is why One Piece is a better manga than all the other shounen titles I named.

I am not looking to get into a discussion about how you think One Piece is better than other shounen so irdc.
The fact that you think showing pages on how one of the most hyped up battles went wouldn't help the story is a little bit unusual. If Oda actually chooses never to go back to how this fight went then we will never know how Aokiji lost, so how exactly is actually showing the fight and how it played out not beneficial for the story? You think showing whole chapters on an awesome fight would ruin OP? You are just being simple minded, stuck in your small little bubble.

The irony that you're saying that people already know this is isn't an action manga, but within the same 5 sentence post call me ignorant for calling Akainu vs Aokiji padding because it adds nothing except for action is funny.

Well it's quite obvious you know nothing about this story as seeing that fight would not just add action. Just hyping up fights and never showing them is not a good thing.

Also look up the word ignorant, you're using it wrong. But otherwise great job arguing. Especially the part where you want to discredit me first because I'm a short tempered kid. Really shows how many arguments you really have there.

For someone who tries to come off as this big bad smartass kid, you sure do make a lot of dumb posts.

I'm fine if you would just say you wanted to see the fight. But don't come up with that crap how One Piece was different pre-skip because it is not. At least not for the reasons you said.

It is quite different as the fights pre-skip were more dramatic and center focused. Luffy would always defeat or beat the main villain in the end and we would get the others to fight people of lesser power but it was still be organized. What we got in Punk Hazard was Luffy running around and getting ***** slapped by Ceasar. Fishman Island was ass. Dressrosa has been the only decent arc so far, and this thing with whole cake island is all over the place.

The part where you said you don't have patience is correct. You don't have the patience to read this as a weekly series. Maybe drop it for half a year and read 20 chapters in a row.

If I didn't have patience then I would have dropped this manga years ago.

What I have seen reoccurring in this cancerous fanbase is that it's so easy for people to start crying and moaning when someone criticizes this manga and points out a few things, but you guys are too ignorant and foolish to actually notice when there are flaws and inconsistencies in your favorite manga. This is what we call ignorant fanboys. Great job!

 

[Love Cook]

Aw no poor baby!

Don't worry, you'll learn one day.



I think you should spend less time telling me to read and more time reading my posts a little better. I never said you didn't want to see the fight. I said how your claim about it being a waste of time was ignorant. Yes, I did use the world correctly as you claiming that 2 of the most important people in the marines squaring off would be a "waste of time" is damn retarded.



Riiiight.. because you know One Piece so well to make this bold statement. How do you know what would be better for One Piece? Your bias on certain things deludes you into thinking that an adventure based manga with story building and overused humor can't focus on fights once in awhile, and is why you are failing to understand any other angles for how this manga could happen would also be a good thing and better writing.

I am not dismissing world building(in fact, I have already defended and supported this), but when you have more wasted panels on overused humor and stale bickering when you could be focusing on much better things, yes I have an issue.



I am not looking to get into a discussion about how you think One Piece is better than other shounen so irdc.
The fact that you think showing pages on how one of the most hyped up battles went wouldn't help the story is a little bit unusual. If Oda actually chooses never to go back to how this fight went then we will never know how Aokiji lost, so how exactly is actually showing the fight and how it played out not beneficial for the story? You think showing whole chapters on an awesome fight would ruin OP? You are just being simple minded, stuck in your small little bubble.



Well it's quite obvious you know nothing about this story as seeing that fight would not just add action. Just hyping up fights and never showing them is not a good thing.



For someone who tries to come off as this big bad smartass kid, you sure do make a lot of dumb posts.



It is quite different as the fights pre-skip were more dramatic and center focused. Luffy would always defeat or beat the main villain in the end and we would get the others to fight people of lesser power but it was still be organized. What we got in Punk Hazard was Luffy running around and getting ***** slapped by Ceasar. Fishman Island was ass. Dressrosa has been the only decent arc so far, and this thing with whole cake island is all over the place.




If I didn't have patience then I would have dropped this manga years ago.

What I have seen reoccurring in this cancerous fanbase is that it's so easy for people to start crying and moaning when someone criticizes this manga and points out a few things, but you guys are too ignorant and foolish to actually notice when there are flaws and inconsistencies in your favorite manga. This is what we call ignorant fanboys. Great job!

That is a lot of text without saying anything about why showing Akainu vs Aokiji fight other than the outcome would be relevant to the story.

Also you said you used the word ignorant correctly but you didn't the first time. And by calling me ignorant in your last 2 sentences you don't use the word right again two times. Just because I don't share your opinion does not mean I'm ignorant.

Fishman Island was used to establish the new power levels of the Strawhats in the New World. Punk Hazard was a different arc because the real enemy was the gas. Luffy was fighting a scientist, his assistant and Vergo. With Vergo being the strongest person there. He got choked out once by Ceasar because he is stupid. That didn't change from part one. Other than that Ceasar was on the run from him not the other way around. And Dressrosa was only the 3rd arc in the New World, and follows the pattern of pre- time skip again. So that basically feeds my argument that you're just too impatient.

When I say that the admiral fight is padding and you don't give a single argument why it is relevant to the story. But instead call me ignorant, a smartass, a kid, a baby and short tempered. I really can't shake the feeling that you don't have a lot to work with. Just because we 'want to see it' means we should see it. It also is a bit condescending to play it on the person like that. And act like you're better or something. Which is pretty dangerous seeing how you haven't said anything that makes sense yet.

you can criticize the manga all day long. But do it for the right reasons, otherwise there will always be someone to point out that you're wrong.

Because I know you're to stubborn to look it up:

Spoiler

ignorant
ˈɪɡn(ə)r(ə)nt/

lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

Hmm, that description doesn't suit me at all. It suits someone who has no arguments and dodges the main question in this whole story.

 

[LBeezy]

People who complain that much about a manga yet still read it <


:bdpf:

 

[Akuma]

People who complain about it and people who waste their time arguing with those same people lol. It's a never ending cycle.

I enjoy the series, we need some background and depth into the characters too. It makes us understand their motives better. Wish Zoro was around though.

 

[Jokey]

People who complain about it and people who waste their time arguing with those same people lol. It's a never ending cycle.

I enjoy the series, we need some background and depth into the characters too. It makes us understand their motives better. Wish Zoro was around though.

Right?! It's nice to see that Oda is currently focusing on Sanji/BM's story but still can't get over the fact that we haven't seen him for quite a while.

 

[Anduril]

Man Big Mom is really scary..... I did not really understand the measure of a Yonkou until this back story.....phew...

 

[Love Cook]

Man Big Mom is really scary..... I did not really understand the measure of a Yonkou until this back story.....phew...

Yeah I like that they're more or less are introduced as walking disasters. Freaks of nature that are shockingly strong even levels above other strong fighters in the manga.

I hope Oda doesn't dilute the yonkou title. I would be perfectly fine if no one out of supernova would become a new yonkou later down the line.

They just don't compare 1 on 1 with people like Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaidou.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Now it makes more sense as to why Big Mom relies so heavily on Zeus and Prometheus......She is somewhat redeemed by this chapter for me though I never thought she was going to be a pushover....Thought I do still think she will be the weakest Yonko but I HOPE she isn't defeated this arc.....can't have a Yonko show up and defeated in the same arc

 

[LBeezy]

Yeah I like that they're more or less are introduced as walking disasters. Freaks of nature that are shockingly strong even levels above other strong fighters in the manga.

I hope Oda doesn't dilute the yonkou title. I would be perfectly fine if no one out of supernova would become a new yonkou later down the line.

They just don't compare 1 on 1 with people like Whitebeard, Big Mom and Kaidou.

So much wrong with this post it's not even funny..

Now it makes more sense as to why Big Mom relies so heavily on Zeus and Prometheus......She is somewhat redeemed by this chapter for me though I never thought she was going to be a pushover....Thought I do still think she will be the weakest Yonko but I HOPE she isn't defeated this arc.....can't have a Yonko show up and defeated in the same arc

She didn't just "show up" this arc though..

She should be defeated here and now.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

She didn't just "show up" this arc though..

She should be defeated here and now.

Before this arc, when have we seen her?? I mean her her not the silhouettes....

 

[LBeezy]

Before this arc, when have we seen her?? I mean her her not the silhouettes....

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know that's what you had meant.. I thought you were talking about just being introduced to the story in general.

The Strawhats conflict with her really took off though in the new world during the first arc Fishman Island.

 

[Love Cook]

So much wrong with this post it's not even funny..

Which Supernova would make for a good yonkou then ?

Luffy ? Kidd ?

Look at how they're getting handled by Big Mom and Kaidou. The individual strength of a yonkou is out of their league.

I like that there are some things that a main character can't achieve by just working hard. He doesn't have to be the strongest person in the world to be pirate king in the end.

Look at Naruto or Goku in the end, they got turned into gods because the power scale increased exponentially.

In the end all the power he amassed might be greater than a yonkou as pirate king with the fleet under his command. But he shouldn't become a Kaidou, Whitebeard or a Big Mom.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know that's what you had meant.. I thought you were talking about just being introduced to the story in general.

The Strawhats conflict with her really took off though in the new world during the first arc Fishman Island.

Maybe I could have worded itt better but still the conflict did start than but we didn't see her also isn't this supposed to be a shortish arc??? Hoping Oda doesn't do Big Mom like this....she deserves a bigger arc than what a Shichibukai got because at the end of the day she is still a Yonko maybe the weakest Yonko but still a Yonko

Which Supernova would make for a good yonkou then ?

Luffy ? Kidd ?

Look at how they're getting handled by Big Mom and Kaidou. The individual strength of a yonkou is out of their league.

I like that there are some things that a main character can't achieve by just working hard. He doesn't have to be the strongest person in the world to be pirate king in the end.

Look at Naruto or Goku in the end, they got turned into gods because the power scale increased exponentially.

In the end all the power he amassed might be greater than a yonkou as pirate king with the fleet under his command. But he shouldn't become a Kaidou, Whitebeard or a Big Mom.

Yep...if they can't solo 2 commanders 2v1 or one after another they can't be yonko level....the closest to yonko I think is Ma D monk aka Urouge

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Luffynot reaching the same strength as a yonkou is highly unlikely. Hes already proven he can fight equally against commander level opponents and completely dominate them temorarily (doflamingo , cracker) so a few more Islands and he will be a lot stronger
I mean look at his growth rate, hes 19... It will be the Yonkou who will need to get stronger and ther eis nothing wrong with Luffy becoming that strong..
Even Jimbei his panel last chapters gave a hint when he said Big Mom was a mere yonko and he had nothing to be afraid off when the man he means to follow will be the pirate king.
Yea this is no proof and all and blabla u guys can find it ok if he never will reach WB level but tbh I think its a bit foolish to think like that when he already is this massively strong in just 2-3 years

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nahhh, Love Cook is kinda right. Luffy reaching Emperor-level at 19 is just...ugly. I'd like to think Oda would have a better way of increasing Luffy's strength than the cliche "He's a main character, so his growth rate in 2 years is the same as decades for the other characters."

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Luffynot reaching the same strength as a yonkou is highly unlikely. Hes already proven he can fight equally against commander level opponents and completely dominate them temorarily (doflamingo , cracker) so a few more Islands and he will be a lot stronger
I mean look at his growth rate, hes 19... It will be the Yonkou who will need to get stronger and ther eis nothing wrong with Luffy becoming that strong..
Even Jimbei his panel last chapters gave a hint when he said Big Mom was a mere yonko and he had nothing to be afraid off when the man he means to follow will be the pirate king.
Yea this is no proof and all and blabla u guys can find it ok if he never will reach WB level but tbh I think its a bit foolish to think like that when he already is this massively strong in just 2-3 years

Luffy never completely dominated cracker and he would have lost vs doffy even after doffy had taken gear 4 and law's strongest attack.....so no luffy is no where NEAR yonko level just yet

 

[Dannie]

Luffynot reaching the same strength as a yonkou is highly unlikely. Hes already proven he can fight equally against commander level opponents and completely dominate them temorarily (doflamingo , cracker)

Equally? He had major assistance in both those fights.

Also, why does it matter if Luffy becomes stronger than a Yonko in the future. It should matter if he is stronger than a Yonko right now, which he isn't.