1. Orochimaru is not immortal without any extension of swapping bodies. Orochimaru will always decay and he cannot outlive without implanting curse mark.
as long as orochimaru's curse marks exist so does he
2. I'm saying by chances, Orochimaru can never be trusted after committed war crime and killed 3rd Hokage and Kazekage as well as he used some kind of slavery as experiment. Naruto cannot allow Orchimaru to run loose, he should be placed under custody esepcially how how much crime he committed yet sasuke was sentenced to jail for almost a year...
naruto is not allowing orochimaru to run loose at all...and sasuke was never in jail for a yr what the hell?
3. Sasuke failed because of Naruto ideology crap which again proving Sasuke right. Unlike Hiruzen, Minato, Tsunade, Naruto was supposed to be the one person to find peace. In the end Naruto's peace still looked naive and incomplete at the end of the manga; With Boruto and the new era; this will add some complexity to it by showing where he failed.
straight bullshit...and sasuke's ideals were moronic and failed so nice job of quoting HIM...lmaooo naruto's peace was naive?...if it weren't for naruto then the entire world would have been turned into white zetsu and killed off...looks like naruto succeeded and sasuke hashirama tobirama hiruzen minato and tsunade failed
My point still stands, the curse mark no longer exist, and orochimaru had to seek certain individual that has enough life force to withstand it which is still a crime if Naruto allow that to happen because by strong chance these victims will die.
So far Naruto isn't doing jack shit to Orochimaru, instead he allow him to run loose even going so far to re-establish the sound village again and doing another crazy experiment.
straight bullshit...and sasuke's ideals were moronic and failed so nice job of quoting HIM...lmaooo naruto's peace was naive?...if it weren't for naruto then the entire world would have been turned into white zetsu and killed off...looks like naruto succeeded and sasuke hashirama tobirama hiruzen minato and tsunade failed
Sasuke's plan of becoming the source of hate for the ninja world would have kept the peace much better so how does that have to do with WZ army when he's going to release everyone except the kages??? Even though Sasuke goals is moronic, he will still able to maintain peace (for a longer time..) than Naruto's bid to become Hokage and save everyone and everyone becomes best buds...
It was just based on cooperation that seemed to be working only momentary.
Naruto manage to bring the 5 great nation together but there are still outside-sources that trigger violent conflicts, children are still trained to be killers etc. That can't be "peace" in my book. Naruto isn't special, his way is just one of many and he will be added to the list of failed peace-bringers, like Hagoromo and Hashirama.
History is just going to repeat itself as in when Hashirama established the Hidden Leaf Village then distributed the bijuu to keep the peace but still after that 3 other ninja wars occurred. I can see this going down the same path after generations pass, Naruto and Sasuke's prowess will become mythical then the hidden villages will start fighting amongst each other for resources, land, glory. etc...
Although I've never been much of a Sasuke fan, I see where he was coming from. I think he could've kept the villages together longer in mutual hatred of him. Now they'll just go back to hating each other after a generation or so.
Except that Shonen Series had it's own standard and demographic. Naruto is one of the Shonen series that is more meant to be realistic but instead it backfired and failed miserably. Shonen series like HXH manage to deliver the dark tone and established the law system properly even OnePiece Villains are more dynamic and was seen as more "irredeemable" as far as how much crime act they committed. Naruto villains always preaches about forgiveness and for the most part they get some free passes.
THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE PEOPLE IN NARUTO IS OUT OF SYNC WITH THEIR ACTIONS . PEOPLES ACTIONS ARE OVERBLOWN AND DON'T FIT THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT INITIATED THEM .
There should be no excuse for you to overlook Shonen genre just because it's "fiction"
Naruto was grateful to a MURDERER who abused a child that was similar to Naruto for protecting them in the end. To your eyes It would make sense for Naruto to be grateful for a person who effects his life PERSONALLY unlike any other villain! If Osama bin laden give an african child a cookie will he be justified? No as a most common sense, but there will always be people trying to justify someone no matter how much people you killed in the past and you personally find this logical to your point of view which shouldn't make any sense.
There is no excuse if you're one of individual who was being manipulated only because a f*ckin 13 years old, Obito ideology makes no sense.
Naruto basically used the worst choice of diaolgue to completely justify his action just because they went through the same shit
You say I overlooking things when I'm obviously looking at both perspective while you are still defending Naruto on the so called "positive" aspect which tells you alot about your biasm. Sorry to burst your bubble, but if someone cut off your D and destroy your home and family but you try to overlook his action just cause you share same life tragedies and common dreams that you would preach this person?
You're not making any sense and obviously hate naruto too much to make a valid opinion. It was a mistake to try and reason with you. There will be no response from this.
You're not making any sense and obviously hate naruto too much to make a valid opinion. It was a mistake to try and reason with you. There will be no response from this.
Well ofc you're running away with your tail between your leg since you made no argument. Instead of addressing the topic you simply attack the user and blatantly accusing me as Naruto hater without any concrete evidences which somehow everyone love to use. In other word you can't think rationally instead you use comments that disagree with your input to gauge people mindset, see that is very childish of you.
"It was a mistake to try and reason with you. There will be no response from this"
Who is cussing now. You or me? Look at how you're acting just as I just explained.
My point still stands, the curse mark no longer exist, and orochimaru had to seek certain individual that has enough life force to withstand it which is still a crime if Naruto allow that to happen because by strong chance these victims will die.
stopped reading @ bold...being wrong is one thing but fanfics?...lolololololol
So far Naruto isn't doing jack shit to Orochimaru, instead he allow him to run loose even going so far to re-establish the sound village again and doing another crazy experiment. Sasuke was in jail during kakashi hiden novel.
@ bold so far orochimaru has done nothing to warrant naruto's attention...and the rest of this comment is fanfic...ps the novels are non-canon
Sasuke's plan of becoming the source of hate for the ninja world would have kept the peace much better so how does that have to do with WZ army when he's going to release everyone except the kages??? Even though Sasuke goals is moronic, he will still able to maintain peace (for a longer time..) than Naruto's bid to become Hokage and save everyone and everyone becomes best buds...
sasuke's plan would have caused a fifth great shinobi war so no...he would be creating the opposite of peace...lmaooo also the world would have ended once momoshiki and kinshiki showed up and sasuke would have 0 counters for them
It was just based on cooperation that seemed to be working only momentary.
Naruto manage to bring the 5 great nation together but there are still outside-sources that trigger violent conflicts, children are still trained to be killers etc. That can't be "peace" in my book. Naruto isn't special, his way is just one of many and he will be added to the list of failed peace-bringers, like Hagoromo and Hashirama.
your definition of peace doesn't mean jack shit in the face of the actual definition of the term "peace" so this comment is nothing but your own irrelevant opinion...also how can hagoromo and hashirama fail at achieving peace when they did?...no matter how long or short that time of peace was attained?...lololololololol
History is just going to repeat itself as in when Hashirama established the Hidden Leaf Village then distributed the bijuu to keep the peace but still after that 3 other ninja wars occurred. I can see this going down the same path after generations pass, Naruto and Sasuke's prowess will become mythical then the hidden villages will start fighting amongst each other for resources, land, glory. etc...
Although I've never been much of a Sasuke fan, I see where he was coming from. I think he could've kept the villages together longer in mutual hatred of him. Now they'll just go back to hating each other after a generation or so.
sasuke= ripoff of kurapika from hunter x hunter and lelouch from code geass...lolololololol
^^^ unfortunately that's a combination akin to mental retardation...you could see where sasuke was coming from?...sasuke was borderline bipolar during chapters 694-698...and his "peace" would have led to the destruction of planet earth...how does it feel to agree with a guy who causes the end of the narutoverse?
The Hyuga and Uchiha are like every other clans with their own KKG, this is nothing compare to Naruto. Naruto has another Entity that reside within him therefore Naruto has an Outsource power. Byakugan and Sharignan has its own visual traits of their respective clan that requires training and experiences.
First of all The Byakugan or 3T does not posses powerhouse like the MS/Rinnegan or the Kyuubi does but rather it's much more reliant on how skilled the User is with jutsu and abilities because unlike the Kyuubi; it is a weapon of it's own.
In terms of the Uchiha, they achieved greater power through tragedy loss, so yes they achieved something at the cost of losing someone like how Madara had to suffer while losing his vision he attain something great that allows him to cast genjutsu on the Demon fox.
Up until now Madara used his own power, but once he obtain the Senju DNA that's when he gets a handout.
Naruto already have two powers which has the advantage over these said clan. First he has the Kyuubi fox and secondly he Inherited the Uzumaki bloodline which automatically get rid of the problem for the fox since he always can contain the weight. Naruto isn't a competent shinobi without the fox anyway.
Wrong, first of all just like hyugas and uchihas have there doujutsu, the uzumakis have strong physical bodies and powerful lifeforce. While the uchihas were able to control the kyubi using their shraingan, the uzumakis can become its jin and gain control over it. Its achieving the same goals using different means.
Nodbody complains when an uchiha takes control of the kyubi or any other jin using their sharingan but when it comes to Naruto suing his strong body as a container they always come up with the excuse that Kyubi is an external entity. Kyubi is an external entity even when an uchiha is controlling it and again its the means by how it is controlled.
Its true that Naruto had the kyubi sealed within him since birth but he didn't have access to all of kyubi's power not to mention the risk of Kurama getting free and killing kid Naruto. On top of that, Kurama chakra hasn't always been of help to Naruto. Their are instances where Kurama tried to impede Naruto's growth. Not to mention early Naruto never always used it at will, Kurama's chakra always came out whenever Naruto was emotionally upset and its only later that his teachers focused of training Naruto to control kurama's chakra with little to no success till Bee taught him how to control Kurama and again it was Naruto who put his hard work into attaining KCM and was later able to convince and befriend Kurama achieving full control over Kurama's powers.
So again, its the means how Kurama was controlled. Madara used his sharingan abilities to control it, Naruto used his strong body to contain and gain control over it. They both used their own powers to control it.
You still hold accountable for your fanfic until you answer and disprove my question.
I'll ask you again once more.
Who were other individual with CM that Orochimaru implanted ??? So far no one has it, and you can't even name me one. lol okay, stop trying to dodge the bullet and think you can get away with it.
Orochimaru has done crazy experiment on mitsuki and his lab, that is something noteworthy. Even though all of his past crime should be warranted his attention. Let me reiterate. The risks far outweigh any benefit once Naruto let everything slide. Orochimaru is an sannin that possesses multiple forbidden jutsu with the potential to use wood release thanks to the Zetsu body and has the knowledge to clone humans with artificial Mangekyou Sharingan and the knowledge to create synthetic human clones with the ability to use sage mode. Oh yeah, and the edo tensei which seemingly can only be beaten by an Uchiha using their op clan secret technique, the last Uchiha being a man who will die while the person capable of casting such a powerful technique lives forever
sasuke's plan would have caused a fifth great shinobi war so no...he would be creating the opposite of peace...lmaooo also the world would have ended once momoshiki and kinshiki showed up and sasuke would have 0 counters for them
Sasuke would create the standstill himself and control things from the shadows. Masses of people wouldn't need to die for him to create peace. Nor would he have rely on anyone to further his plan. Simpily put, rebelling leads to uniting, the very thing that happened against madara that lead to the peace that naruto certainly couldn't solve on his own.
your definition of peace doesn't mean jack shit in the face of the actual definition of the term "peace" so this comment is nothing but your own irrelevant opinion...also how can hagoromo and hashirama fail at achieving peace when they did?...no matter how long or short that time of peace was attained?...lololololololol
Sasuke Revolution plan was a method he came up with based on the history of the Shinobi world, to better ensure that peace would be maintained. Hagoromo and Hashirama ideology would create another cycle of war despite only creating peace for only momentarily period of time. To get rid of the problem Sasuke would want to eliminate the Bijuu, who Shinobi always sought after, seeing them as nothing more than massive sources of power which they could use to better enforce their authority over others. A whole war with the entire world at stake was just fought over them.
Forget Shinobi, these creatures are attracting beings from Other Dimensions. Years later Momo and Kinshiki nearly destroyed the world to acquire their power, and guess who saved everyone?
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Sasuke knew that the only reason why the nations united was because they had a common enemy.
Sasuke also knew that the shinobi system needed to be reformed, because it was corrupted
The 5 Kage failed in their positions and are totally not innocent
And now, with the village destroyed once again, Sasuke has been proven right making Naruto, Ashura, and Hagoromo look like retards.
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I see you're letting your emotions take over since you have nothing to backup just like I have disproved your last statement. . Only proves that your using some sort of defense mechanism.
What does the whole "ripoff" have to prove anything?? Sasuke revolutionary plan still holds merit regardless :lol
Such desperation attempt coming from Naruto fan.
^^^ unfortunately that's a combination akin to mental retardation...you could see where sasuke was coming from?...sasuke was borderline bipolar during chapters 694-698...and his "peace" would have led to the destruction of planet earth...how does it feel to agree with a guy who causes the end of the narutoverse?
Unfortunately you're clouded by your judgement. There is no "wars" if the 5 leaders (the same five leaders that screwed nagato) when most certainly their motive is directed at sasuke which is backed by the underlining fact that the gokages put aside their personal bias to fight a cause that not only inevitably strengthen their unity but overtime became friends all because they feared one name, madara uchiha. You are crying about tragedy need to grow a pair, this is not utopia, this barely even qualify as democracy era, it's a world that is built and solved by bloodshed, protect the many at the cost of the few and from that POV it is perfectly logical for sasuke to come to this solution than keep shit the same.
Sasuke is not naive as much as you want him to be, he will find ways than just bloodshed to force them to rely on other opposing forces either by disrupting military advancement, food, wild life etc until vast majority unite. plus, there is no confirmation that sasuke would keep attacking, he's an overseer. that means he could leave for years maybe even decades (immortality) then return to remind them to act right again. tell me, what if the current or the next 5kages suddenly decided to break their unity or just secretly started doing shady BS again, what is naruto's solution? I'll tell you, he has none.
Wrong, first of all just like hyugas and uchihas have there doujutsu, the uzumakis have strong physical bodies and powerful lifeforce. While the uchihas were able to control the kyubi using their shraingan, the uzumakis can become its jin and gain control over it. Its achieving the same goals using different means.
Yet the Kyuubi give him free chakra every moment Naruto gets only to control at his maximum state, while the Uchiha with their sharingan has its own property to completely dominated the Kyuubi, Naruto was never able to control 100% and only to certain state. Even though Naruto was able to perform KCM, it was all thanks to the help of kushina and 8 tails. By the time he perform BM, it was all based on COOPERATION when Kurama acknowledges him and fetches some chakra for him.
Nodbody complains when an uchiha takes control of the kyubi or any other jin using their sharingan but when it comes to Naruto suing his strong body as a container they always come up with the excuse that Kyubi is an external entity. Kyubi is an external entity even when an uchiha is controlling it and again its the means by how it is controlled.
Like I said, The sharingan has its own ability to control the bijuu. Naruto in the other doesn't possessed the Kyuubi to abide his will
It would be complete different story if the Kyuubi still has darkness swell within him then Naruto would've somehow able to contain the darkness and control the demon fox entirely.
What was the whole point of Jiariaya training to control all the evil chakra if Naruto is going end up to the turtle island to illuminate the darkness.
Its true that Naruto had the kyubi sealed within him since birth but he didn't have access to all of kyubi's power not to mention the risk of Kurama getting free and killing kid Naruto. On top of that, Kurama chakra hasn't always been of help to Naruto. Their are instances where Kurama tried to impede Naruto's growth. Not to mention early Naruto never always used it at will, Kurama's chakra always came out whenever Naruto was emotionally upset and its only later that his teachers focused of training Naruto to control kurama's chakra with little to no success till Bee taught him how to control Kurama and again it was Naruto who put his hard work into attaining KCM and was later able to convince and befriend Kurama achieving full control over Kurama's powers.
So again, its the means how Kurama was controlled. Madara used his sharingan abilities to control it, Naruto used his strong body to contain and gain control over it. They both used their own powers to control it.
Not really, it only happened 2 times when Naruto lost his mind and the fox control him. Think about it. Why does the Kyuubi never bother to took advantage over him each and every-time Naruto asked the Kyuubi to lend him some chakra or gets emotionally attached on something.
When Naruto was swayed by the Kyuubi, somehow it's always his comrades that saved him instead, Naruto never took the opportunity to abide his will.
Yet the Kyuubi give him free chakra every moment Naruto gets only to control at his maximum state, while the Uchiha with their sharingan has its own property to completely dominated the Kyuubi, Naruto was never able to control 100% and only to certain state. Even though Naruto was able to perform KCM, it was all thanks to the help of kushina and 8 tails. By the time he perform BM, it was all based on COOPERATION when Kurama acknowledges him and fetches some chakra for him.
Kyubi never gave chakra to help Naruto but always intended to take control over Naruto and break free. Depending upon Naruto's emotional state the seal over the kyubi weakens and after the 3rd tail Naruto begins to lose control, best example would be during the Pein arc. And again while the uchiha had their sharingans, the uzumaki had their strong bodies as a vessel. An uchiha can't be a jin and an uzumaki doesn't have the sharingan to control the bijjus. Both use their own set of abilities to control the bijuu's powers. And sure he did get help from the 8 tails and Kushina but he wasn't sitting on his ass to gain KCM.
Like I said, The sharingan has its own ability to control the bijuu. Naruto in the other doesn't possessed the Kyuubi to abide his will
It would be complete different story if the Kyuubi still has darkness swell within him then Naruto would've somehow able to contain the darkness and control the demon fox entirely.
What was the whole point of Jiariaya training to control all the evil chakra if Naruto is going end up to the turtle island to illuminate the darkness.
And as I said, the bijuu could be controlled in different ways. In case of the uchihas its using their sharingan. Yes Naruto can't impose his will over Kyubi but then again an uchiha can't gain the level of control a jin can by becoming a becoming a perfect jin.
And its completely okay for Jiraiya to try to train Naruto to control the kyubi's power and not unleash its chakra out of control whenever Naruto was upset. Besides, the whole point of Minato sealing the kyubi inside of Naruto was so that someday he can take control over it. But Jiraiya was no expert on bijuus and how to control them and Bee wasn't accessible to them back then to train Naruto, so Jiraiya did his best to train Naruto.
Not really, it only happened 2 times when Naruto lost his mind and the fox control him. Think about it. Why does the Kyuubi never bother to took advantage over him each and every-time Naruto asked the Kyuubi to lend him some chakra or gets emotionally attached on something.
As I said before, the number of tails depends upon how emotionally upset Naruto is. Its all their in the manga. And the number of tails increases over time if the kyubi's chakra isn't suppressed. Why do you think Kakashi and Yamato worried so much about Naruto getting out of control.
You're expecting Naruto to control the kyubi the same way an uchiha can, but a jin's control doesn't work that way. A jin control over its bijuu depends upon the seal, the type of bijuu and then finally able to negotiate and make the bijuu cooperate with it. The level of cooperation may vary but at its highest the Jin can gain full control over the bijuu becoming a perfect jin and much higher control than an uchiha.
Kyubi never gave chakra to help Naruto but always intended to take control over Naruto and break free. Depending upon Naruto's emotional state the seal over the kyubi weakens and after the 3rd tail Naruto begins to lose control, best example would be during the Pein arc. And again while the uchiha had their sharingans, the uzumaki had their strong bodies as a vessel. An uchiha can't be a jin and an uzumaki doesn't have the sharingan to control the bijjus. Both use their own set of abilities to control the bijuu's powers. And sure he did get help from the 8 tails and Kushina but he wasn't sitting on his ass to gain KCM.
Uchiha use their Sharingan to control Bijuu while Uzumaki uses their body to become Jinchuuriki of the Bijuu that right. But if neither side has Kurama the Uchiha or Uzumaki then that would be different.
Remember this only 9 Bijuus exist, so it not like an entire clan can control Bijuu or become Jinchuuriki of the Bijuu. I know there 10 in total, but the 10th which is the Juubi is sealed in the moon.
Uchiha use their Sharingan to control Bijuu while Uzumaki uses their body to become Jinchuuriki of the Bijuu that right. But if neither side has Kurama the Uchiha or Uzumaki then that would be different.
Remember this only 9 Bijuus exist, so it not like an entire clan can control Bijuu or become Jinchuuriki of the Bijuu. I know there 10 in total, but the 10th which is the Juubi is sealed in the moon.
You still hold accountable for your fanfic until you answer and disprove my question.
I'll ask you again once more.
Who were other individual with CM that Orochimaru implanted ??? So far no one has it, and you can't even name me one. lol okay, stop trying to dodge the bullet and think you can get away with it.
the burden of proof is on you mr. moron...absence of evidence does not equate to evidence of absence...that's a fallacy...last time I checked there were hundreds of people in 1 hideout alone with orochimaru's curse mark...now you're just telling me they all upped and disappeared?...LMAOOOO
Orochimaru has done crazy experiment on mitsuki and his lab, that is something noteworthy. Even though all of his past crime should be warranted his attention. Let me reiterate. The risks far outweigh any benefit once Naruto let everything slide. Orochimaru is an sannin that possesses multiple forbidden jutsu with the potential to use wood release thanks to the Zetsu body and has the knowledge to clone humans with artificial Mangekyou Sharingan and the knowledge to create synthetic human clones with the ability to use sage mode. Oh yeah, and the edo tensei which seemingly can only be beaten by an Uchiha using their op clan secret technique, the last Uchiha being a man who will die while the person capable of casting such a powerful technique lives forever
nice job of listing all the ways orochimaru can't be defeated...plus he's immortal...like I said naruto and sasuke don't have time to deal with fodders who has been posing 0 threats since his failed attacked at destroying the hidden leaf village at the cost of the chakra in both his arms...lmaooo
ps the experiment on mitsuki was for orochimaru to create a human child he could then become the parent of...how scary
Sasuke would create the standstill himself and control things from the shadows. Masses of people wouldn't need to die for him to create peace. Nor would he have rely on anyone to further his plan. Simpily put, rebelling leads to uniting, the very thing that happened against madara that lead to the peace that naruto certainly couldn't solve on his own.
how would sasuke control every single human on the planet from the shadows?...also it's spelled "simply" bro
Sasuke Revolution plan was a method he came up with based on the history of the Shinobi world, to better ensure that peace would be maintained. Hagoromo and Hashirama ideology would create another cycle of war despite only creating peace for only momentarily period of time. To get rid of the problem Sasuke would want to eliminate the Bijuu, who Shinobi always sought after, seeing them as nothing more than massive sources of power which they could use to better enforce their authority over others. A whole war with the entire world at stake was just fought over them.
sasuke's peace would have caused world war 5...nobody would accept the criminal sasuke as their supreme leader...lololololol
also I don't see people fighting over control of the tailed beasts in the canon material now do I?
Forget Shinobi, these creatures are attracting beings from Other Dimensions. Years later Momo and Kinshiki nearly destroyed the world to acquire their power, and guess who saved everyone?
nice copy and paste here...lolololololol...like I already replied to a comment where someone brung up these exact typed words...this has nothing to do with naruto or sasuke...momoshiki and kinshiki were even before hagoromo's time
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Sasuke knew that the only reason why the nations united was because they had a common enemy.
Sasuke also knew that the shinobi system needed to be reformed, because it was corrupted
The 5 Kage failed in their positions and are totally not innocent
And now, with the village destroyed once again, Sasuke has been proven right making Naruto, Ashura, and Hagoromo look like retards.
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sasuke= moron seeing as how none of that happened...the kawaki situation has nothing to do with hatred though...it's an isolated caused by a psychopath who believes the existence of shinobi is somehow detrimental to society...it's completely different...lololololol
ps how were the sage of six paths and the followers to his ideals wrong?...every time they attempted to achieve peace they succeeded (by definition of the term peace is not defined by length)...every time sasuke tried to achieve his goals it was HE who ended up failed...and converting to ASHURA'S SIDE...lololololololol
I see you're letting your emotions take over since you have nothing to backup just like I have disproved your last statement. Only proves that your using some sort of defense mechanism.
What does the whole "ripoff" have to prove anything?? Sasuke revolutionary plan still holds merit regardless :lol
Such desperation attempt coming from Naruto fan.
it means sasuke is a byproduct of a system that always failed to work...the thing is sasuke is a DIRECT RIPOFF of those failed ass ideals which makes it WORSE...MUCH WORSE...tell me that sasuke uchiha isn't kurapika kurta from hunter x hunter?...LMAOOOOO
at least naruto (while being generic) is a byproduct of HIS OWN DAMN IDEALS...lololololol
Unfortunately you're clouded by your judgement. There is no "wars" if the 5 leaders (the same five leaders that screwed nagato) when most certainly their motive is directed at sasuke which is backed by the underlining fact that the gokages put aside their personal bias to fight a cause that not only inevitably strengthen their unity but overtime became friends all because they feared one name, madara uchiha. You are crying about tragedy need to grow a pair, this is not utopia, this barely even qualify as democracy era, it's a world that is built and solved by bloodshed, protect the many at the cost of the few and from that POV it is perfectly logical for sasuke to come to this solution than keep shit the same.
are you aware that sasuke's era was also considered an era of peace?...just something to think about...lololololol
Sasuke is not naive as much as you want him to be, he will find ways than just bloodshed to force them to rely on other opposing forces either by disrupting military advancement, food, wild life etc until vast majority unite. plus, there is no confirmation that sasuke would keep attacking, he's an overseer. that means he could leave for years maybe even decades (immortality) then return to remind them to act right again. tell me, what if the current or the next 5kages suddenly decided to break their unity or just secretly started doing shady BS again, what is naruto's solution? I'll tell you, he has none.
@ bold how would sasuke go about doing that?...and the rest of your comment sounds like a hilarious fanfic...nice joke
Yet the Kyuubi give him free chakra every moment Naruto gets only to control at his maximum state, while the Uchiha with their sharingan has its own property to completely dominated the Kyuubi, Naruto was never able to control 100% and only to certain state. Even though Naruto was able to perform KCM, it was all thanks to the help of kushina and 8 tails. By the time he perform BM, it was all based on COOPERATION when Kurama acknowledges him and fetches some chakra for him.
and?...naruto is a jinchuriki...kurama is naruto's power...without kurama naruto cannot cease to exist...SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
Like I said, The sharingan has its own ability to control the bijuu. Naruto in the other doesn't possessed the Kyuubi to abide his will
It would be complete different story if the Kyuubi still has darkness swell within him then Naruto would've somehow able to contain the darkness and control the demon fox entirely.
What was the whole point of Jiariaya training to control all the evil chakra if Naruto is going end up to the turtle island to illuminate the darkness.
isn't it cool how the mighty uchiha need super strong eye powers to control the tailed beasts while naruto needs nothing?
Not really, it only happened 2 times when Naruto lost his mind and the fox control him. Think about it. Why does the Kyuubi never bother to took advantage over him each and every-time Naruto asked the Kyuubi to lend him some chakra or gets emotionally attached on something.
because naruto is not a person who succumbs to hatred as easily as sasuke and his butthurt clan (the uchiha clan is a ripoff of the kurta clan from hunter x hunter by the way...lmaoooo)
Orochimaru can make Zetsu clone with no problem, since Orochimaru was using Zetsu body. Remember this Orochimaru has 100% access of the body ability, whatever KKG or ability that body has he can use it.
Orochimaru no longer need to rely on stealing anyone body, he can create Zetsu clones and transfer to that body. Zetsu body can even be enhanced like how Kabuto enhanced Zetsu with Yamato body.
Kyubi never gave chakra to help Naruto but always intended to take control over Naruto and break free. Depending upon Naruto's emotional state the seal over the kyubi weakens and after the 3rd tail Naruto begins to lose control, best example would be during the Pein arc. And again while the uchiha had their sharingans, the uzumaki had their strong bodies as a vessel. An uchiha can't be a jin and an uzumaki doesn't have the sharingan to control the bijjus. Both use their own set of abilities to control the bijuu's powers. And sure he did get help from the 8 tails and Kushina but he wasn't sitting on his ass to gain KCM.
Doesn't change anything regardless of the fact that Naruto is an Uzumaki possessing strong life force, in the end he wasn't able to control it as an Uzumaki. No matter what Jutsu Naruto gains, Kurama will always be an integral part of his power as it supplies a huge amount of chakra to him. And if he doesn’t use the Nine-Tails mode, then as an uzumaki user, he would've amasses large chakra to perform jutsu since the Uzumaki are known to posses strong chakra but instead he is pretty incompetent without the fox. Uchiha has it's own method to control the kyuubi, it's visual prowees so strong that it can hypnotize the Kyuubi.
Its true that at first the whole emotional state was established for him to control the tail mode but it's no longer relavant after the war arc. This wouldn't be much a problem if they didn't change the direction of the story giving reckon in order to undermine the whole Jiriaya training. So now when we look at the overall storyline, everything about the emotional state rendered pointless because looking back, The plot conveniences always gives Naruto the benefit. So when he loses his mind which happens only twice, he received some back up supporters.
Despite the fact that the Kyuubi intended to take control over him it also doesn't change anything because instead of what really happening, Kurama ended up giving Naruto sufficient amount of chakra for the most part.
When Naruto fall down to the tunnel, Naruto asked him to lend him some chakra, Kyuubi did what he was told.
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During Neji fight, Naruto asked the fox same thing, lend him some chakra and kyuubi fetches him some.
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Or when Naruto was beaten to a dead horse with his fight against Sasuke, this left an open door for the Kyuubi to completely took the advantage over his mental state but instead he was being too generous of giving him one tail instead of pouring more.
And as I said, the bijuu could be controlled in different ways. In case of the uchihas its using their sharingan. Yes Naruto can't impose his will over Kyubi but then again an uchiha can't gain the level of control a jin can by becoming a becoming a perfect jin.
And its completely okay for Jiraiya to try to train Naruto to control the kyubi's power and not unleash its chakra out of control whenever Naruto was upset. Besides, the whole point of Minato sealing the kyubi inside of Naruto was so that someday he can take control over it. But Jiraiya was no expert on bijuus and how to control them and Bee wasn't accessible to them back then to train Naruto, so Jiraiya did his best to train Naruto.
In other word, the uzumaki way of controlling Kyuubi fox is by bribing him rather than forcefully play in the tug of war . Naruto was always given the capacity to control the fox chakra but every-time he ask some more after losing his mind and unleashes 4 tails, it always end there, and if that weren't the case he would've control 4-6 tails otherwise but we've never seen that. The Kyuubi was still active rather than completely immobilized.
As I said before, the number of tails depends upon how emotionally upset Naruto is. Its all their in the manga. And the number of tails increases over time if the kyubi's chakra isn't suppressed. Why do you think Kakashi and Yamato worried so much about Naruto getting out of control.
This training was such a pushover only to learn the technique much faster and got Yamato on his side, even in battle Kyuubi still gives him some chakra whenever Naruto is in emotionally state and the only time he took advantages over him is whenever he got a chance to persuade Naruto to go to his mental breakdown.
You're expecting Naruto to control the kyubi the same way an uchiha can, but a jin's control doesn't work that way. A jin control over its bijuu depends upon the seal, the type of bijuu and then finally able to negotiate and make the bijuu cooperate with it. The level of cooperation may vary but at its highest the Jin can gain full control over the bijuu becoming a perfect jin and much higher control than an uchiha.
Then please explain to me why someone like Gaara manage to fully control Shukaku to go up against Gamabunta before switching to Bijuu or when Nii entered two tails fully on her own and went up against Hidan and Kakuza? Jiinchiruke becomes perfect and has the access to utitlize chakra willingly when cooperation was needed .
the burden of proof is on you mr. moron...absence of evidence does not equate to evidence of absence...that's a fallacy...last time I checked there were hundreds of people in 1 hideout alone with orochimaru's curse mark...now you're just telling me they all upped and disappeared?...LMAOOOO
Look who's talking coming from a moron who can't come up with any concrete proof. Last time I checked there were noone in the hideouts CURRENTLY that has CM to be seen and just because the evidences are not there doesn't suggest that it's existent. I only stick with Manga facts until proven otherwise.
nice job of listing all the ways orochimaru can't be defeated...plus he's immortal...like I said naruto and sasuke don't have time to deal with fodders who has been posing 0 threats since his failed attacked at destroying the hidden leaf village at the cost of the chakra in both his arms...lmaooo
Nice way contradicting yourself.
>"Orchimaru can't be defeated"
> "He's a fodder"
Choose one. Cause literally what I just explained is that Orochimaru continue to collect all the DNA while Naruto sit idly by and do nothing. Soon Orochimaru will be too OP continue to grow stronger and Naruto has the chance to do so before its too late.
He's not gonna control them by casting genjutsu on them but rather pressured them in order to manipulate their movement. Sasuke have to ensure people to hate him and to incite fear so that they can't wage war or cause chaos without him showing up and ruining their plan.
sasuke's peace would have caused world war 5...nobody would accept the criminal sasuke as their supreme leader...lololololol
also I don't see people fighting over control of the tailed beasts in the canon material now do I?
Nobody would go against each other if Sasuke is going to be serve as a catalyst. Naruto manage to bring the 5 great nation together but there are still outside-sources that trigger violent conflicts, children are still trained to be killers etc. That can't be "peace" in my book. Nobody is fighting over the bijuu now because they are all "friend" so like I said before, Naruto only created peace temporarily and when the new era enters, at some point all the village leader will be replaced or they will go after each other throat.
But you do see the leaf village destroyed by someone like Kaweki. Now that's out of your question.
nice copy and paste here...lolololololol...like I already replied to a comment where someone brung up these exact typed words...this has nothing to do with naruto or sasuke...momoshiki and kinshiki were even before hagoromo's time
Which again proves my point here, you can track alot of people if you manage to adjust and improve his methods as time went on. So during revolutionary, he could easily detect anyone that would violating his constitution and keep them on bay just as how he's capable of detecting an outsource threat like Momo and Kinshiki..
Sasuke had a successful method to keep them united and would deal with criminals like all the rogues and there's actually nothing outlandish about it because this was explicitly shown in the manga. Villages will not voice solidarity unless said villain opposes their way of life as well. In other word Sasuke is portrayed as a Villain to them.
sasuke= moron seeing as how none of that happened...the kawaki situation has nothing to do with hatred though...it's an isolated caused by a psychopath who believes the existence of shinobi is somehow detrimental to society...it's completely different...lololololol
So you forgot alot of mission have nothing to do with hatred Hatred or not, Naruto still fails...Sasuke's was smart, seeing how the village gotten destroyed violated the amendment and triggered war conflict hence there's a reason Boruto series exist in a first place to undermine Naruto accomplishment so that the New gen can step over. everything that Naruto had been striving for was reduced to dust. Perhaps Sarada as a Hokage will clean up this mess since it was long foreshadowed.
ps how were the sage of six paths and the followers to his ideals wrong?...every time they attempted to achieve peace they succeeded (by definition of the term peace is not defined by length)...every time sasuke tried to achieve his goals it was HE who ended up failed...and converting to ASHURA'S SIDE...lololololololol
Hagoromo intention was ninshuu yet it end up destabilize the shinobi world. After he pass on his chakra to everyone, they ended up using chakra as weapons for their own benefits. Sasuke never tried anything wtf are you talking about, He never got the chance to try his ideal of peace before he got to do anything but thanks to Naruto, stepped on his way. Naruto end goal of "cooperation" ended up as a failure
it means sasuke is a byproduct of a system that always failed to work...the thing is sasuke is a DIRECT RIPOFF of those failed ass ideals which makes it WORSE...MUCH WORSE...tell me that sasuke uchiha isn't kurapika kurta from hunter x hunter?...LMAOOOOO
Kurapika vengeance has nothing to do with Sasuke current ambition which is revolutionary, (I dunno I havn't been keeping up with HXH manga) but still Sasuke end goal would work just like how Lelouch ended in a good note ofc for a while.
Naruto is a byproduct of ashura and Hashirama failures... Sad how you try to brought up a character from another series to use as your defense mechanism whereas I use Naruto term from a damn same series. Try harder next time.
Sasuke will orchestrated the plot serving as a theocracy or dictatorship in order to creates measure for all the people against him. He will even cast some genjutsu on them if he needed to create obstacle for these individuals before Sasuke dispel it.
Naruto relies on the Kyuubi's chakra way too much and Naruto incompetence as a shinobi proves that whereas the Uchiha sharingan with their own power evolves and mutated through their own struggle and means.
because naruto is not a person who succumbs to hatred as easily as sasuke and his butthurt clan (the uchiha clan is a ripoff of the kurta clan from hunter x hunter by the way...lmaoooo)
I see the Naruto hate threads are still strong after all this time.
Seriously this is just another weak and pathetic attempt to make Naruto look weak. Naruto has proven several times he is very strong without using the 9 tails power or should I say that part of the 10 tails power. I say that because the 9 tails power is the 10 tails power. It's just a certain part of the 10 tails power.
Naruto's not alone. The manga explained to us through Madara that everybody uses the 10 ten's power. Chakra comes for the 10 tail and during the war the 10 tails was trying to gain its charka back. So whenever someone argues about a character using a bloodline power, tails beast power, etc all they are doing it arguing over which power they prefer and if they believe it's fair. Guess what, it's not meant to be fair. Bloodlines, tail beast and similar powers are meant to give the user an unfair advantage. Instead being limited to just basic chakra they are able to use more of the 10 tails power.
But of course when it comes to Naruto people love to say the 9 tails is living entity and they think that makes a difference. It doesn't. It's still the 10 tails power just like the sharingan/rinnengan is 10 tails power. In fact it can be easily argued that the sharingan/rinnengan gives the user a greater unfair advantage when it comes to obtaining it's power for the first time. The sharingan/rinnengan automatically gives the user jutsu/power/ability and allow the user to use it without having to train. IE: When Sasuke fought Naruto at the VOTE2 his rinnengan automatically gave him the ability to use absorption jutsu. He didn't have to train, study or do anything to gain and use that jutsu. Yet, people over look that and complain about Naruto gaining nothing but chakra from the 9 tails. Since Sasuke's eyes are not a living entity like the 9 tails people believe that makes a difference so they claim it's Sasuke's power while claiming the 9 tails is not Naruto's power. Both those powers comes from the 10 tails so Sasuke and Naruto are both using the 10 tails power.
If you don't understand what I'm say I will explain it in a very simple way. IE: If I create a sword that automatically makes the users a skilled swordsman and gives the user jutsu and I give that sword to person A then his swordsmanship skills and jutsu comes for the sword and not himself. So people can't say that's his power. That's how the sharingan/rinnengan works.
How is it possible that the sharingan/rinnengan can automatically give the user jutsu/power/ability? It's because the user's are permanently connects to user to the 10 tails through that power. So when a sharingan/rinnengan user uses that power it coming directly from the 10 tails, a living entity.
My claim is supported by the manga:
- When Naruto gave everybody in the war chakra created a connection with then so he didn't have to physically touch them to give them more chakra.
- After Naruto obtained charka from all the tail beast he created a permanent connection with them so he could communicate with them anywhere
- When Obito's sharingan evolved when he was trying to rescue Rin so did Kakashi's sharingan.
Doesn't change anything regardless of the fact that Naruto is an Uzumaki possessing strong life force, in the end he wasn't able to control it as an Uzumaki. No matter what Jutsu Naruto gains, Kurama will always be an integral part of his power as it supplies a huge amount of chakra to him. And if he doesn’t use the Nine-Tails mode, then as an uzumaki user, he would've amasses large chakra to perform jutsu since the Uzumaki are known to posses strong chakra but instead he is pretty incompetent without the fox. Uchiha has it's own method to control the kyuubi, it's visual prowees so strong that it can hypnotize the Kyuubi.
Its true that at first the whole emotional state was established for him to control the tail mode but it's no longer relavant after the war arc. This wouldn't be much a problem if they didn't change the direction of the story giving reckon in order to undermine the whole Jiriaya training. So now when we look at the overall storyline, everything about the emotional state rendered pointless because looking back, The plot conveniences always gives Naruto the benefit. So when he loses his mind which happens only twice, he received some back up supporters.
Despite the fact that the Kyuubi intended to take control over him it also doesn't change anything because instead of what really happening, Kurama ended up giving Naruto sufficient amount of chakra for the most part.
Lol, as an uzumaki and as ashura's transmigrant he had strong lifeforce and chakra. And he did control Kurama the uzumaki way by becoming a perfect jin. So what if Kurama is always an integral part of Naruto, why complain about it. Being able to become a jin and take advantage of the bijuu's powers is one of the uzumaki's abilities, something which I've been trying to point out this whole time. And its stupid to think that Naruto would be incompetent without Kurama when you don't even know how Naruto's development would've progressed without Kurama being inside him. For example if he wasn't a jin, then all his teachers won't focus on trying to help him get control over Kurama and utilize its power. Hiruzen won't have to hide who he was, he won't be treated as a paraya, maybe he'd try to discover more of hwo his parents were and their legacy. Learn Minato's techniques like FTG, learn about the Uzumakis and why they were feared. Learn their sealing techniques. And even with Kurama he did learn techniques like SM which again he was restricted with its usage because Kurama didn't let Maa and Paa fuse with him and enter fusion sage mode with near unlimited NE supply. And again SM requires the user to posses huge amount of chakra so again your incompetent without Kurama comment is just being ignorant of the facts when he was able to learn SM and match or surpass MS Sasuke even when Kurama tried to hinder his progress. And once again like the uchiha, an Uzumaki can utilize the bijuu's power by becoming its jin. Its the method used to control that differs smh.
Coming to Jiraiya's training, then I've already said Jiraiya was not expert on training a jin and so his options were liimited, but he was best person available to Naruto in Bee's absence. And the emotional state mode was one of the weakness that Naruto overcame when he gained KCM and a new seal, so no it was not pointless. All that training from Jiraiya and him loosing control over Kurama was to show the importance of him overcoming it.
Its quite simple really. Kurama was trying to make Naruto used to his powerful chakra and rely more on his powers and use it more often as Minato's 8 trigrams seal allowed chakra to leak from the seal and mix with hits host at the cost of weakening the seal over time. The more chakra that leaked, the weaker the seal becomes so again Kurama wasn't exactly trying to help Naruto but helping himself.
Or when Naruto was beaten to a dead horse with his fight against Sasuke, this left an open door for the Kyuubi to completely took the advantage over his mental state but instead he was being too generous of giving him one tail instead of pouring more.
Do you have scans to prove that Naruto left the door open completely for Kurama to escape during VoTE 1 when Naruto never even went beyond 3 tails. If no then its just speculation on your side and nothing more.
In other word, the uzumaki way of controlling Kyuubi fox is by bribing him rather than forcefully play in the tug of war . Naruto was always given the capacity to control the fox chakra but every-time he ask some more after losing his mind and unleashes 4 tails, it always end there, and if that weren't the case he would've control 4-6 tails otherwise but we've never seen that. The Kyuubi was still active rather than completely immobilized.
@Bold Yep, being a perfect jin is much better than controlling it with your sharingan.
First of all he didn't know how to and second even his teachers didn't exactly know how to. And then when an expert like Bee showed up, who knew exactly what to do, a few chapters later Naruto had So6P's seal and KCM.
This training was such a pushover only to learn the technique much faster and got Yamato on his side, even in battle Kyuubi still gives him some chakra whenever Naruto is in emotionally state and the only time he took advantages over him is whenever he got a chance to persuade Naruto to go to his mental breakdown.
Wrong again, after his battle with Orochimaru on the bridge and seeing the damage it caused Naruto did try to restrict himself like when he fought and beat Kakuzu. It was only during the Pein arc when Naruto saw Hinata's motionless body that he lost control completely and was baout to give in to Kurama.
Then please explain to me why someone like Gaara manage to fully control Shukaku to go up against Gamabunta before switching to Bijuu or when Nii entered two tails fully on her own and went up against Hidan and Kakuza? Jiinchiruke becomes perfect and has the access to utitlize chakra willingly when cooperation was needed .
@Bold Fully control Shukaku would've made Gaara a perfect jin. He wasn't, Gaara simply let Shukaku loose with his jutsu while he fell asleep not knowing what was happening.
I've already explained that in my last post, I'll repeat that again. A jin's control over its bijuu depends upon the seal, the type of bijuu and then finally able to negotiate and make the bijuu cooperate with it. The level of cooperation ou get varies and at its highest you become a perfect jin.
Look who's talking coming from a moron who can't come up with any concrete proof. Last time I checked there were noone in the hideouts CURRENTLY that has CM to be seen and just because the evidences are not there doesn't suggest that it's existent. I only stick with Manga facts until proven otherwise.
another fallacy...you're failing to tell me how they died
Nice way contradicting yourself.
>"Orchimaru can't be defeated"
> "He's a fodder"
Choose one. Cause literally what I just explained is that Orochimaru continue to collect all the DNA while Naruto sit idly by and do nothing. Soon Orochimaru will be too OP continue to grow stronger and Naruto has the chance to do so before its too late.
not a contradiction...I typed that you did a nice job of explaining how orochimaru can't be defeated...as in KILLED...now you need to do a nice job of learning how to read properly
Torture him and brain wash him 5 times
He's not gonna control them by casting genjutsu on them but rather pressured them in order to manipulate their movement. Sasuke have to ensure people to hate him and to incite fear so that they can't wage war or cause chaos without him showing up and ruining their plan.
a freaking awful terrible and borderline comical plan...that isn't stopped jack shit
Nobody would go against each other if Sasuke is going to be serve as a catalyst. Naruto manage to bring the 5 great nation together but there are still outside-sources that trigger violent conflicts, children are still trained to be killers etc. That can't be "peace" in my book. Nobody is fighting over the bijuu now because they are all "friend" so like I said before, Naruto only created peace temporarily and when the new era enters, at some point all the village leader will be replaced or they will go after each other throat.
@ bold shinobi aren't trained to be killers...they are trained to defend themselves...by the way you're personal definition of the term "peace" is irrelevant
But you do see the leaf village destroyed by someone like Kaweki. Now that's out of your question.
no it isn't...because the kawaki storyline is an isolated incident has nothing to do with shinobi hatred
Which again proves my point here, you can track alot of people if you manage to adjust and improve his methods as time went on. So during revolutionary, he could easily detect anyone that would violating his constitution and keep them on bay just as how he's capable of detecting an outsource threat like Momo and Kinshiki..
Sasuke had a successful method to keep them united and would deal with criminals like all the rogues and there's actually nothing outlandish about it because this was explicitly shown in the manga. Villages will not voice solidarity unless said villain opposes their way of life as well. In other word Sasuke is portrayed as a Villain to them.
@ bold nice fanfic...sasuke could only "keep track" of momoshiki and kinshiki because they were roaming kaguya's dimensions...and he was the only one with the means of intercepting them...he didn't even track them...he just got lucky and ran into them...lolololololol
BOLD: Asserting without any proof
So you forgot alot of mission have nothing to do with hatred Hatred or not, Naruto still fails...Sasuke's was smart, seeing how the village gotten destroyed violated the amendment and triggered war conflict hence there's a reason Boruto series exist in a first place to undermine Naruto accomplishment so that the New gen can step over. everything that Naruto had been striving for was reduced to dust. Perhaps Sarada as a Hokage will clean up this mess since it was long foreshadowed.
@ bold fanfic...also what mess?...shinobi right now are currently at peace...sasuke was a delusional moron who came over to naruto's side because he knew himself that he was mentally bipolar...sarada will have the easiest time in her life as hokage thanks to the efforts of naruto and she'll only be busy with expansion like naruto is because of 0 threats (kawaki= isolated incident)
Hagoromo intention was ninshuu yet it end up destabilize the shinobi world. After he pass on his chakra to everyone, they ended up using chakra as weapons for their own benefits. Sasuke never tried anything wtf are you talking about, He never got the chance to try his ideal of peace before he got to do anything but thanks to Naruto, stepped on his way. Naruto end goal of "cooperation" ended up as a failure
@ bold another fanfic...ps hagoromo succeeded seeing as how the world is currently at peace...if ninshu never became ninjutsu then the world would have ended due to the actions of kaguya or momoshiki...nice job of point out how much the sage of six paths and fans of his idealism were destined to be successful...nice job of also showing how moronic sasuke and his ancestors were...lmaooo
Admittance of your stupidity?? Concession accepted.
Kurapika vengeance has nothing to do with Sasuke current ambition which is revolutionary, (I dunno I havn't been keeping up with HXH manga) but still Sasuke end goal would work just like how Lelouch ended in a good note ofc for a while.
@ bold fanfic...and sasuke's current ambition is achieving naruto's goals towards peace (which have been achieved)...by the way sasuke's end goal would have caused the fifth great ninja war...and after that the destruction of mankind once momoshiki and kinshiki invaded
Naruto is a byproduct of ashura and Hashirama failures... Sad how you try to brought up a character from another series to use as your defense mechanism whereas I use Naruto term from a damn same series. Try harder next time.
care to point out where?...also sasuke's revolutionary goal would bring about the end of the world
Sasuke will orchestrated the plot serving as a theocracy or dictatorship in order to creates measure for all the people against him. He will even cast some genjutsu on them if he needed to create obstacle for these individuals before Sasuke dispel it.
it's impossible for anyone to control with world without the power of the ten-tails and sasuke is a moron for thinking that (and you are one for agreeing with it)...just another reason why sasuke got as exposed as suffering from PTSD during chapters 694-698...lololololololol
Kurama is another species life form, Kurama gives him, therefore it's not Naruto power.
naruto and kurama's chakra have been mixing from birth...and naruto ceases to exist without kurama...nine-tails is naruto's power
Naruto relies on the Kyuubi's chakra way too much and Naruto incompetence as a shinobi proves that whereas the Uchiha sharingan with their own power evolves and mutated through their own struggle and means.
@ bold lmaooo what?...last time I checked naruto only uses kurama's chakra when it comes to fighting top-tiers...do you realize how long naruto hasn't used kurama's chakra since he war ended?...of course you didn't because you're a mental midget...lolololololol
also yes you're right the sharingan is the uchiha clan's power...a shame they don't have to train to use their gifted-wrapped power ups they get for being butthurt...LMAOOOO
Kurama could whenever he wanted to so long Naruto take it with an open arm.
nope he couldn't...cause naruto's will was blocking him...kurama could only overtake naruto when naruto allowed it...see the pain fight you mental midget...lololololol
Sasuke hatred fuels more power, while Naruto cannot withstand it with such amount of power
Lol, as an uzumaki and as ashura's transmigrant he had strong lifeforce and chakra. And he did control Kurama the uzumaki way by becoming a perfect jin. So what if Kurama is always an integral part of Naruto, why complain about it. Being able to become a jin and take advantage of the bijuu's powers is one of the uzumaki's abilities, something which I've been trying to point out this whole time. And its stupid to think that Naruto would be incompetent without Kurama when you don't even know how Naruto's development would've progressed without Kurama being inside him. For example if he wasn't a jin, then all his teachers won't focus on trying to help him get control over Kurama and utilize its power. Hiruzen won't have to hide who he was, he won't be treated as a paraya, maybe he'd try to discover more of hwo his parents were and their legacy. Learn Minato's techniques like FTG, learn about the Uzumakis and why they were feared. Learn their sealing techniques. And even with Kurama he did learn techniques like SM which again he was restricted with its usage because Kurama didn't let Maa and Paa fuse with him and enter fusion sage mode with near unlimited NE supply. And again SM requires the user to posses huge amount of chakra so again your incompetent without Kurama comment is just being ignorant of the facts when he was able to learn SM and match or surpass MS Sasuke even when Kurama tried to hinder his progress. And once again like the uchiha, an Uzumaki can utilize the bijuu's power by becoming its jin. Its the method used to control that differs smh.
Coming to Jiraiya's training, then I've already said Jiraiya was not expert on training a jin and so his options were liimited, but he was best person available to Naruto in Bee's absence. And the emotional state mode was one of the weakness that Naruto overcame when he gained KCM and a new seal, so no it was not pointless. All that training from Jiraiya and him loosing control over Kurama was to show the importance of him overcoming it.
Taking the Bijuu power simply by asking for it has nothing to do with the Uzumaki power. The purpose of his Uzumaki bloodline and his sole reason why he posses such strong life force and chakra was because Naruto has the ability to contain all the weight of the demon fox that was sealed inside him. Like I said before the Uzumaki are known for sealing technique to constrain the bijuu which has nothing to do with their ability to control once the host taps onto the Bijuu chakra and unleashes it. Naruto only purpose here is to seal such strong monster since he's the uzumaki and the only person of the village capable of amassing it that's why someone like Minato and Hiruzen took the trouble for the lookout. Naruto SM was the epitome of his ability, but the fight against Pain ended up him using the Kyuubi for such cheap cop out. So no matter what the circumstances, there will always be moment when Naruto can't stop resisting using the Kyuubi in almost every match and even when there are time when he didn't use it, the battle was never much crucial and hold any stakes to begin with. He never bother to use SM after Pain arc, he may uses couple times if I can recall remembering but instead Naruto ended up using and spamming Six Paths Sage Mode which is also the reliance of the Kyuubi help of Cooperation. But anyway that is what I mean when Naruto is pretty incompetence as a shinobi overall so I still stand by what I said.
Jiriaya training is still pointless because if thats not the case Naruto could've absorb The Bijuu that are a mix with chakra and malice but instead he wanted Kurama to acknowledges him. The purpose of partaking the training session with Killer Bee was so that Naruto could reflect himself and get rid of the darkness that swells within him so that he could withstand all the evil chakra of kurama. In the end they reckon it and make the demon befriend with the host.
Its quite simple really. Kurama was trying to make Naruto used to his powerful chakra and rely more on his powers and use it more often as Minato's 8 trigrams seal allowed chakra to leak from the seal and mix with hits host at the cost of weakening the seal over time. The more chakra that leaked, the weaker the seal becomes so again Kurama wasn't exactly trying to help Naruto but helping himself.
Do you have scans to prove that Naruto left the door open completely for Kurama to escape during VoTE 1 when Naruto never even went beyond 3 tails. If no then its just speculation on your side and nothing more.
There is no telling how much the 8-trigram have been weakened but it can be supported through the context of the manga and if we look back throughout Part 1, Naruto had the demon fox for 11 -12 years since birth and on top of that he used the kyuubi chakra against Haku, Orochimaru, Neji, Gaara, Kimimaro and Sasuke inb4 using it second time which sums up alot of usage with the kyuubi chakra. Not to mention he also used summoning jutsu as well as other techniques in conjunction with the kyuubi chakra mode. Logically speaking, Kurama should have been able to pour more chakra more than one tail against Sasuke.
But regardless whether I said were to be true or not, Naruto was still being given despite Kyuubi true intention.
@Bold Yep, being a perfect jin is much better than controlling it with your sharingan.
First of all he didn't know how to and second even his teachers didn't exactly know how to. And then when an expert like Bee showed up, who knew exactly what to do, a few chapters later Naruto had So6P's seal and KCM.
I've already explained that in my last post, I'll repeat that again. A jin's control over its bijuu depends upon the seal, the type of bijuu and then finally able to negotiate and make the bijuu cooperate with it. The level of cooperation ou get varies and at its highest you become a perfect jin.
Yeah and it takes a cheap cop out way to be a perfect jiinchiruke just by simply befriend with the bijuu. When you work together with the demon of course it's a better method than how the sharingan user usually rolls when it comes to the bijuu. Still doesn't change anything, Naruto wasn't the one to be operating alone seeing how much the Kyuubi embracing it.
Wrong again, after his battle with Orochimaru on the bridge and seeing the damage it caused Naruto did try to restrict himself like when he fought and beat Kakuzu. It was only during the Pein arc when Naruto saw Hinata's motionless body that he lost control completely and was baout to give in to Kurama.
First of all Yamato suppressed it, helping his training and perfecting rasenshiruken as well as he guided Naruto which given him 2nd chance to beat Kakuza after kakashi and the others done some ground work. Only one of the few battles Naruto didn't end up using Kyuubi for a change. After Kakuza defeat, there wasn't any battle none, mostly involving in chasing sasuke which ended up encountering tobi. Naruto had a group of team to go up against him but We know Naruto didn't put much effort as well as he contributed much throughout this arc. Onto the next arc, Naruto wasn't trying to resist the kyuubi when he summoned the toads against Pain. He was fueled by his anger and unleases the demon fox once Hinata was on her deathbed.
Which leads me to my second point, Naruto had no real battle inbetween Kakauza arc and Pain Arc, so really the whole "restriction" doesn't mean much.
@Bold Fully control Shukaku would've made Gaara a perfect jin. He wasn't, Gaara simply let Shukaku loose with his jutsu while he fell asleep not knowing what was happening.
Yes they can, literally anyone who becomes the next Jin will have full control over him if they simply smile at Kurama. KCM was when Naruto's hard work came to an end, Bijuu and Rikudo modes were handed to him.
Taking the Bijuu power simply by asking for it has nothing to do with the Uzumaki power. The purpose of his Uzumaki bloodline and his sole reason why he posses such strong life force and chakra was because Naruto has the ability to contain all the weight of the demon fox that was sealed inside him. Like I said before the Uzumaki are known for sealing technique to constrain the bijuu which has nothing to do with their ability to control once the host taps onto the Bijuu chakra and unleashes it. Naruto only purpose here is to seal such strong monster since he's the uzumaki and the only person of the village capable of amassing it that's why someone like Minato and Hiruzen took the trouble for the lookout. Naruto SM was the epitome of his ability, but the fight against Pain ended up him using the Kyuubi for such cheap cop out. So no matter what the circumstances, there will always be moment when Naruto can't stop resisting using the Kyuubi in almost every match and even when there are time when he didn't use it, the battle was never much crucial and hold any stakes to begin with. He never bother to use SM after Pain arc, he may uses couple times if I can recall remembering but instead Naruto ended up using and spamming Six Paths Sage Mode which is also the reliance of the Kyuubi help of Cooperation.
But there is, not everyone can ask a bijuu for its power or talk and come to terms with it. Only a jin has that luxury and the uzumaki's strong bodies allowed them to be a jin. And the uzumaki were not only known for sealing techniques but also because of them being potential candidates to be a jin. There's a reason all of leaf's jin were uzumakis. And Naruto's purpose was to gain control over Kurama's powers and not just to contain a bijuu, the only reason Minato even made his son the jin in the first place. And Naruto achieved just that by becoming a perfect jin. And Naruto's SM wasn't even complete during the Pein arc due to Kurama being uncooperative and not letting Naruto enter fusion sage mode with Maa and Paa. He entered the battle severely restricted and still made good use of what was available to him. Sure he ended up using Kurama's powers but only because Kurama didn't let him enter fusion sage mode. With Maa and Paa fused with Naruto, Naruto could've even takend out all the Peins using there frog song genjutsu.
By incompetence you mean when he kept up with JJ Obito with only 0.5 bijuu all the while sharing his chakra with ninja alliance to protect them, or when he made JJ Madara run away from him, or when he fought Kaguya almost single handedly while rinnegan Sasuke struggled against her throughout, or when he fought rinnegan Sasuke + 8.5 bijuu chakra with the intent to save his friend and never went on the offensive against him and still came on top. What I find funny here is that you consider Naruto incompetent for relying on Kurama's chakra when he was able to keep up or even beat the same uchihas whose powers you're admiring or comparing here with their bijuu control, stolen Hashi DNA and using much higher forms like JJ or more bijuu chakra than what was available to Naruto and giving very little credit to Naruto. Saying Naruto is incompetent because of using Kurama chakra is like saying the uchihas are incompetent for relying on their sharingan when both of them are using something that falls within their abilities.
Jiriaya training is still pointless because if thats not the case Naruto could've absorb The Bijuu that are a mix with chakra and malice but instead he wanted Kurama to acknowledges him. The purpose of partaking the training session with Killer Bee was so that Naruto could reflect himself and get rid of the darkness that swells within him so that he could withstand all the evil chakra of kurama. In the end they reckon it and make the demon befriend with the host.
And again Jiraiya's training wasn't pointless. It was to show Jiraiya and Naruto's struggle to get control over Kurama.
@Bold Wrong again, the chakra and malice thing was public opinion which Kurama eventually picked up as he grew more hateful of humanity and the ninja world due to the ninja's treating them as mere tools without any respect. Hagoromo didn't create them such and Naruto proved Kurama wrong. Its all there in the manga.
And before the pein arc, Naruto too kind of believed in tit for tat or revenge but after beating Nagato and talking with him, his opinion about that changed and its only after that he even thought of befriending Kurama and take away his hatred for humanity.
His training was meant for him to learn to control Kurama's power and everything that happened during that was just a part of it and nothing more.
There is no telling how much the 8-trigram have been weakened but it can be supported through the context of the manga and if we look back throughout Part 1, Naruto had the demon fox for 11 -12 years since birth and on top of that he used the kyuubi chakra against Haku, Orochimaru, Neji, Gaara, Kimimaro and Sasuke inb4 using it second time which sums up alot of usage with the kyuubi chakra. Not to mention he also used summoning jutsu as well as other techniques in conjunction with the kyuubi chakra mode. Logically speaking, Kurama should have been able to pour more chakra more than one tail against Sasuke.
But regardless whether I said were to be true or not, Naruto was still being given despite Kyuubi true intention.
Kurama is an immortal being, you think 12 or 16 years would matter to him that much. And if you're getting such a powerful chakra as bonus and don't know the consequences then wouldn't you go for it?
Now the ninja's you've listed, Haku had a very powerful KKG, Orochimaru is a sannin lol, Neji was a hyuga prodigy with byakugan and the strongest genin at the time, Gaara was another jin with much better control over his bijuu, Kimimaro had a very strong KKG which even Oro wanted, Sasuke not only had his sharingan but the CM2 as well and Naruto as usual wasn't fighting to kill.
Now what's common among all them? They all had their own special abilities, KKG, CM2 etc. I don't know why do you even complain when being a jin and utilizing its power is Naruto's ability. Then based on your logic Sasuke was even more pathetic for using CM and his Sharingan at the same time against Gaara and still losing where Naruto did far better without relying on Kurama's power till he summoned Gamabunta or used kyubi chakra to cut through Gaara's sand.
Yeah and it takes a cheap cop out way to be a perfect jiinchiruke just by simply befriend with the bijuu. When you work together with the demon of course it's a better method than how the sharingan user usually rolls when it comes to the bijuu. Still doesn't change anything, Naruto wasn't the one to be operating alone seeing how much the Kyuubi embracing it.
Again you have to be a jin first or someone with Hashirama's caliber to even stand a chance to talk to a bijuu directly. And just like the uchihas have the sharingan, Naruto had the potential to be a jin and use the bijuu's powers and even become a perfect jin by befriending the bijuu. Again its all about the method of control.
First of all Yamato suppressed it, helping his training and perfecting rasenshiruken as well as he guided Naruto which given him 2nd chance to beat Kakuza after kakashi and the others done some ground work. Only one of the few battles Naruto didn't end up using Kyuubi for a change. After Kakuza defeat, there wasn't any battle none, mostly involving in chasing sasuke which ended up encountering tobi.
Again Yamato had to suppress Kurama's chakra because of the method involved in the training. Its all there in the manga. And true Kakashi and Yamato needed to save him the first time but only because Naruto's rasenshuriken didn't work the first time. Naruto was in perfect position to strike Kakuzu the first time itself but didn't factor in the possibility of his RS failing but considered its possibility the second time and did succeed in beating Kakuzu.
Naruto had a group of team to go up against him but We know Naruto didn't put much effort as well as he contributed much throughout this arc. Onto the next arc, Naruto wasn't trying to resist the kyuubi when he summoned the toads against Pain. He was fueled by his anger and unleases the demon fox once Hinata was on her deathbed.
Which leads me to my second point, Naruto had no real battle inbetween Kakauza arc and Pain Arc, so really the whole "restriction" doesn't mean much.
So what taka/hebi Sasuke fought with a team all the time even when using his MS. And about Naruto not resisting kyubi, you should give the chapters where Naruto and Oro fought on the bridge another read and Naruto deciding to resist using Kurama's powers. And he was succeeding till he saw Hinata near death during the Pein arc. And Naruto didn't summon the toads lol, he was summoned with the toads to konoha by Maa.
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