Naruto now a days is considered as a worthless and weak character by People
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"I cant think of Obito anything else but Awesome!!!"
It is still the same interpretation...
He realized that obito was manipulated and was linked with the guy's mind, he saw his entire life story and basically sympathized with him due to how similar they were and obito did redeem himself. It's funny how ppl claim naruto is lame for calling obito cool but Sasuke get's a pass for calling the dude who killed his clan perfect.
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Agree, Its like people forget that he saw obito memorys witch is why he referred to him as the "someone who wanted to become hokage".
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Disagree, and here's why.
For Naruto to tnj Obito who was shown to be smart and confident person as Tobi who knows what darkness is and how to use it to manipulate people, he had to be turned into someone completely different, with lower IQ. He isn’t someone who actually manipulated by someone else and didn't know what he doing for 17 years.
Basically what made his character was undone completely so Naruto could throw a few words into him to "change his heart". Seriously, if he can be manipulated by Rin`s words and faith in him now - what was he thinking about for 17 years? The moment he killed Minato should be the point of no return, because those actions mean he CHOSE his path no matter what, or whether Rin would approve of it or not. A person can’t act solely on emotions for so many years, Obito was acting on reasoning, and it’s pathetic to see all the greatness of Tobi to turn into the shitty mess that became Obito just for Naruto to TNJ him.
Obito was never meant to be redeemed, he was meant to be a tragic hero and that is how he should have died, with his own beliefs intact, like Kisame.
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How is this is meant to be realistic and relatable, for us the readers, Naruto is able to brush away their previous actions and accept them as companions, without even a second thought. Look what Naruto had become, he's all lovey dovey in real life we don't forgive someone that easily and start praise someone like Hitler the man who was responsible to massacre thousands of innocents in the war. One of his best friends and inspiration, and countless lives is being called "Nothing but Awesome!!".
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I think it`s totally unbearable to watch his stupidity even despite you`re trying to justifying someone by trying to say that Obito is awesome just cause he was being "manipulated" and share common dreams together, and just cause he became good for 10 minutes still negate all the actions Obito committed did because Naruto still being over sentimental for Obito that knows nothing about him.
Naruto entire fixation on forgiving anyone despite all the crimes they committed that caused him so much Pain is beyond disturbing and presents him as a complete irrational dumb character who cannot comprehend reality.
Forgiveness is one thing, but to idealize him as the "coolest guy" is sickening. This the guy who killed thousand of people in the war, destroyed your village including your parents which turned your life to Shit, started the Akatsuki which leads Pain destroyed your village and killed your sensei and include one of your friends in the War just an hour ago. This is Horrible and a disgrace for people like Neji.
If Obito lived, I can gurantee that Naruto will let him free of prison, and not care about the opinion of others who suffered from Obito's corruption just like he give free pass on Orochimaru. It just shows how selfish and inconsistent this young man is.
The most treacherous action Sasuke had done is when he infiltrated the Kage summit and casted Infinite tsukoymi but again Sasuke never committed a genocide or nowhere near a scale in comparison to Obito.
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You realize that Naruto literally told Obito to stop hiding behind his mask and accept his punishment whatever it may be, right?
And I'm sorry, but how on earth is Orochimaru's situation Naruto's fault when he wasn't in a position of power to do anything due to being a Genin? It seems like you're finding reasons to hate the guy lol.
Madara manipulated him and turned his heart cold, Madz was pulling the strings and basically shattered his personality and made him into his puppet. The story overall may have not gone the route we may have liked but you are daft if you think his entire character was solely undone just to be TnJ'd by Naruto, most of the seemingly major plot upheaval in my eyes was done to work in kaguya and the Ootsutsuki. I will agree that the story did change who and what Tobi started out as but anybody would have second thoughts about what they've been doing after finding out that you were basically conditioned to be an expendable cog in a machine. I think you're placing the blame in the wrong place if you think all that was done just for Naruto to "change his heart".
How realistic and relatable is a Shonen manga meant to be? For some reason ppl love to pick and choose glaring faults based on whatever character may or may not have committed them, Obito killed his parents but Naruto connected with him on a mental level and saw what drove him to commit such acts, he was literally in the dudes head and saw that it could have just as easily been a path he could have walked given similar conditions. And also he made that statement in defiance to Black zetsu who was basically crapping all on Obito calling him a worthless tool and puppet AFTER obito was killed saving Naruto and sasuke. For you to overlook that and focus only on the negative aspect means you're just shortsighted and biased which means you have a warped opinion not worth taking seriously.
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It hold no weight since the only reason behind this is to admit his wrongdoing. This whole statement doesn't separate anything. There's no "punishment" involve since Obito was the one to carry over his shoulder and die while Naruto is crying over a spill milk trying to save a terrorist.
In the end, Naruto feels nothing wrong with Obito, instead he admired his achievement just because he find Obito some redeeming quality that share this same ideology just to make himself satisfied doesn't mean he should be forgiven easily when he is the sole reason why 95% of the things that happened, happened in the first place which goes to show the disgrace to someone who died for you but I don't understand how can you relate to that.
Don't be a darn apologetic and think you can get away with it. Naruto now holds the power, he's the hokage but instead of sentencing Orochimaru to jail he allows yamato tail him.
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you can't lock up orochimaru because he'll escape...you can't kill orochimaru because he's immortal...and by now having orochimaru on your side (kind of) now allows you to have several sources of unorthodox methods to dealing with adverse situations...I bet you'd make a terrible leader...lolololololol
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Except that Shonen Series had it's own standard and demographic. Naruto is one of the Shonen series that is more meant to be realistic but instead it backfired and failed miserably. Shonen series like HXH manage to deliver the dark tone and established the law system properly even OnePiece Villains are more dynamic and was seen as more "irredeemable" as far as how much crime act they committed. Naruto villains always preaches about forgiveness and for the most part they get some free passes.
THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE PEOPLE IN NARUTO IS OUT OF SYNC WITH THEIR ACTIONS . PEOPLES ACTIONS ARE OVERBLOWN AND DON'T FIT THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT INITIATED THEM .
There should be no excuse for you to overlook Shonen genre just because it's "fiction"
Naruto was grateful to a MURDERER who abused a child that was similar to Naruto for protecting them in the end. To your eyes It would make sense for Naruto to be grateful for a person who effects his life PERSONALLY unlike any other villain! If Osama bin laden give an african child a cookie will he be justified? No as a most common sense, but there will always be people trying to justify someone no matter how much people you killed in the past and you personally find this logical to your point of view which shouldn't make any sense.
There is no excuse if you're one of individual who was being manipulated only because a f*ckin 13 years old, Obito ideology makes no sense.
Naruto basically used the worst choice of diaolgue to completely justify his action just because they went through the same shit
You say I overlooking things when I'm obviously looking at both perspective while you are still defending Naruto on the so called "positive" aspect which tells you alot about your biasm. Sorry to burst your bubble, but if someone cut off your D and destroy your home and family but you try to overlook his action just cause you share same life tragedies and common dreams that you would preach this person?
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Orochimaru can't be escaped when Naruto is a demigod, in fact he could've sent sasuke to do it. He can die because he doesn't planted another cursemark and orochimaru is not immortal when he needed new vessel for certain amount of years.
gerizzyYMcrew
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pure bullshit...and orochimaru's sekillsets in espionage and escape has nothing to do with whether naruto is a god or not
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Sasuke can easily tracked him with his sharinnegan, Naruto has a sage chakra can detect his whereabouts and even had Yamato tailing Orochiamru position. Both sasuke and naruto fully aware of this. Stop denying.
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sasuke's left eye is called "rinnegan"...and when did sasuke ever use it to track normal shinobi?...naruto and sasuke have better things to do than keep track of fodder ninja
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It doesn't take any effort to take out orchimaru, it should be easy when these are the things Naruto should've done. It's best Naruto take action before Orochimaru will flip side with his scheme to take advantage of the others. Naruto leaf village destruction is the result as a failure hokage.
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1. orochimaru is immortal and will outlive naruto and sasuke...even if they kill him now he will always come back
2. what makes you think orochimaru will ever flip sides?...what is "flipping sides" even mean?...there is no such thing as good or evil shinobi...there is only shinobi
3. "naruto's failure as hokage"...lololololololololololololol
first off we know 0 things about the circumstances of the village...second off if naruto failed then that means sasuke also failed by extension...third naruto has helped maintain the peace in the shinobi world for 10+ yrs...what "failure"?...if you're using village destruction as "failure" then hiruzen minato and tsunade also failed...and by extension hashirama tobirama and kakashi also failed
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1. Orochimaru is not immortal without any extension of swapping bodies. Orochimaru will always decay and he cannot outlive without implanting curse mark.
2. I'm saying by chances, Orochimaru can never be trusted after committed war crime and killed 3rd Hokage and Kazekage as well as he used some kind of slavery as experiment. Naruto cannot allow Orchimaru to run loose, he should be placed under custody esepcially how how much crime he committed yet sasuke was sentenced to jail for almost a year...
3. Sasuke failed because of Naruto ideology crap which again proving Sasuke right. Unlike Hiruzen, Minato, Tsunade, Naruto was supposed to be the one person to find peace. In the end Naruto's peace still looked naive and incomplete at the end of the manga; With Boruto and the new era; this will add some complexity to it by showing where he failed.