Naruto now a days is considered as a worthless and weak character by People

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Lol that's not what happened at all. Naruto wanted to speed up his training because time was short the Akatsuki (Pain was on the move) fugaku offered the oil but told him it only works at the mountain. He even offered to fuse with Naruto but Kurama put a stop to that.

Naruto not only did it the hard way, but he took it beyond what both Jiraiya and Minato could not obtain.

That's like saying Sasuke cheated because he used his brother's eyes to get MS. He still had to train (during actual combat) to even be able to master it.
Here is the chapter so it seems it did happen in the manga.

In the previous page Naruto didn't expect Sage Mode to be so hard without using the toad oil, then later Naruto suggest to use the toad oil so he doesn't need to learn to absorb natural energy himself.

The Toad Oil is suppose to be used to learn not as a short cut so he doesn't need to learn himself.

That like someone learning to use their bikes with training wheels and never learning to use without training wheels.

Agreed Naruto took Sage Mode training beyond what Jiraiya and Minato could never achieve.
 
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I don't understand why people think naruto will be weaker without his pet, kishimoto would have given naruto some other power to be on par with sasuke........they were suppose to kill each other at the end anyways.
 

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This is kind of a half assed view of it. Naruto is different than Momo or Bolt. It was never his
Choice to become a Jin and it means his death to get rid of it(Kurama)

You are honestly going to sit here and claim that Naruto cheated because a chakra monster who spent the majority of the manga trying to consume him came to admire his never give up attitude and, as a result, now offers his chakra freely and willingly?

As Deadmed stated, Naruto worked hard to reach that point. Momo just stole everyone's Jutsu popped a pill and used it against them. Bolt used a gadget created by someone else in a match that was designed for using your own skills.

Naruto cannot be put in the same category just because you dislike the concept of a Jin. Does this bias extend to Killer Bee? Yugiri? Fuu? Gaara?

Now if you hate Naruto because he is preachy, pretentious, not that intelligent,

Or because he was about being the underdog in Part I only to find out he is just as blessed as an Uchiha or Senju(even
Moreso) then that I can understand. The whole Kurama agrument sounds like a bunch of whining because someone's fav stepped up to fight a Jin and got smacked down (not you specifically)
The problem with your statement is that Naruto has always been benefited by Plot each and every-time the Kyuubi power he posses always ended up in his favor. Naruto beats most of the opponents he fought using the Kyuubi power without any kind of repercussion. There's no such double standard and the only time that happened is when he fought Deidara and Orochimaru. The Kyuubi did cooperate and lend him some chunk of chakra to his maximum state only when the plot demanded. There're some moment with Kyuubi trying to take advantage when Naruto loses his mind which again it only happened Three Times in the entire Damn series but even then he got saved and doesn't kill anyone importance so regardless Naruto didn't lose anything.

INB4 you say the pain arc, first of all the village already got destroyed before Naruto showed up, secondly when Pain seemingly killed of Hinata, Naruto got triggered into 6 tails and he stayed away from the village and all the innocent people then he got saved by his father due to the plot. In the end Naruto was always surrounded by his fate with his over glorified power. Hes an over sized puppet plain and simple.

Naruto is not like other MC like his son to complain , because Boruto was never portrayed as hard workers, he's always been portrayed as special and talented. That's why other MC don't get attacked because they've never asked the readers to admire their achievements in the first place. If the Naruto fandoms can bring themselves to admit Naruto is simply lucky, his so called "achievements" are simply the plot, people won't have disagreement.
 
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The problem with your statement is that Naruto has always been benefited by Plot each and every-time the Kyuubi power he posses always ended up in his favor. Naruto beats most of the opponents he fought using the Kyuubi power without any kind of repercussion. There's no such double standard and the only time that happened is when he fought Deidara and Orochimaru. The Kyuubi did cooperate and lend him some chunk of chakra to his maximum state only when the plot demanded. There're some moment with Kyuubi trying to take advantage when Naruto loses his mind which again it only happened TWICE but even then he got saved and doesn't kill anyone importance so regardless Naruto didn't lose anything.

INB4 you say the pain arc, first of all the village already got destroyed before Naruto showed up, secondly when Pain seemingly killed of Hinata, Naruto got triggered into 6 tails and he stayed away from the village and all the innocent people then he got saved by his father due to the plot. In the end Naruto was always surrounded by his fate with his over glorified power. Hes an over sized puppet plain and simple.

Naruto is not like other MC like his son to complain , because Boruto was never portrayed as hard workers, he's always been portrayed as special and talented. That's why other MC don't get attacked because they've never asked the readers to admire their achievements in the first place. If the Naruto fandoms can bring themselves to admit Naruto is simply lucky, his so called "achievements" are simply the plot, people won't have disagreement.
What you need to understand is just like the hyugas and the uchihas who had there byakugan and sharingan, Naruto is an uzumaki born with very strong life force and the potential to be a jin. Its not like anyone could go and become a jin. Then comes the usage of Kurama's power, Madara/Obito too used Kurama, Sasuke too used the chakra of 8.5 tailed beasts. The difference is how they used the power. The uchihas used the sharingan/rinnegan to control while Naruto and other jins use their powerful bodies to contain and use their bijuu's powers.
 

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The problem with your statement is that Naruto has always been benefited by Plot each and every-time the Kyuubi power he posses always ended up in his favor. Naruto beats most of the opponents he fought using the Kyuubi power without any kind of repercussion. There's no such double standard and the only time that happened is when he fought Deidara and Orochimaru. The Kyuubi did cooperate and lend him some chunk of chakra to his maximum state only when the plot demanded. There're some moment with Kyuubi trying to take advantage when Naruto loses his mind which again it only happened Three Times in the entire Damn series but even then he got saved and doesn't kill anyone importance so regardless Naruto didn't lose anything.

INB4 you say the pain arc, first of all the village already got destroyed before Naruto showed up, secondly when Pain seemingly killed of Hinata, Naruto got triggered into 6 tails and he stayed away from the village and all the innocent people then he got saved by his father due to the plot. In the end Naruto was always surrounded by his fate with his over glorified power. Hes an over sized puppet plain and simple.

Naruto is not like other MC like his son to complain , because Boruto was never portrayed as hard workers, he's always been portrayed as special and talented. That's why other MC don't get attacked because they've never asked the readers to admire their achievements in the first place. If the Naruto fandoms can bring themselves to admit Naruto is simply lucky, his so called "achievements" are simply the plot, people won't have disagreement.
See the problem in your counter argument is the plot argument. Put Sasuke in the same situations and fights and it's the same thing.

1st we need to realize this is a SHONEN manga. This automatically dictates the protagonist is going to win. You say you can't compare him to other Shonen protagonist but it is literally the same thing with Gon, Goku, Natsu, Ichigo, even Luffy. Plot dictates the protagonist is going to win.

about the not killing: Sasuke never killed anyone either. This more of a reflection on the author not a flaw in the character. Kishi doesn't want his heroes killing simple as that.

On to Kurama/repercussion: ..would you like me to list the number of times Naruto was in danger of being consumed by Kurama? It's more than 3 times I can tell you that. I'll give you 5:

Beginning of Shippuden when he faced Sasuke
When he faced Orochimaru and hurt Sakura after going 4 tails
When he fought Sasuke VOTE part I
When he fought Pain
When he was trying to create Rasengan Shiriken.
Training to become a perfect Jin on Turtle Island.
When Jiraiya was training him and he scarred Jiraiya's chest.

I gave you 7 instances right there.
 
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@AniCetuS Your right not anyone can become a Jinchuuriki, they need to be compatible otherwise they die. A Hyuga with their Byakugan and a Uchiha with their Sharingan doesn't require any sealing outside source in anyway.

A Hyuga and a Uchiha with Dojutsu is no different than Shikamaru and Shikaku having high IQ. Now a Uchiha using someone else eye well that is an outside source power.

Sasuke blood may enable him to use Itachi eyes to evolve to EMS but doesn't change it is an outside source power, the same goes to Naruto using Kurama.

Naruto is born as a Uzumaki with strong life force and vitality along with chakra, just like a Hyuga and Uchiha are born with dojutsu. Naruto having Kurama and Sasuke having Itachi eyes well doesn't change their outside sources.
 

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Here is the chapter so it seems it did happen in the manga.

In the previous page Naruto didn't expect Sage Mode to be so hard without using the toad oil, then later Naruto suggest to use the toad oil so he doesn't need to learn to absorb natural energy himself.

The Toad Oil is suppose to be used to learn not as a short cut so he doesn't need to learn himself.

That like someone learning to use their bikes with training wheels and never learning to use without training wheels.

Agreed Naruto took Sage Mode training beyond what Jiraiya and Minato could never achieve.
Ah I stand corrected. But yes he ended up training the hard way(even more so if you Kurama's interference) so he still did not cheat.
 

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Maybe for Bolt, I guess, but Momoshiki's absorption abilities are still his own. Anyways, I agree, but Naruto still has several other moments of hypocrisy in his behavior, and granted, that wouldn't be a bad thing IF he wasn't being presented as being a messiah figure.

Even then, there are many other problems with him. He's obsessive, naive, selfish, a gary-stu, and didn't accomplish any of his goals beyond becoming Hokage, which is superficial anyways once he became a Six Paths Sage. Like I said, alot of his flaws started either being magnified or praised rather than being fixed, as I THOUGHT they would eventually, so I enjoyed him up to the Pain Arc, but after that he is 100% trash and a character I view as being on par with Sakura and Obito in terms of bad writing.
Bold Well that's an opinion we will never agree on.
 

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It makes Naruto look like a hypocrite tbh. Shuns Momoshiki and Bolt for using other people's powers yet he does the same. Not to mention Naruto was about hard work, not having power handed to you by illogically befriending a demon.

This is only one facet mind you, his character has many problems.
kurama is naruto's powers...and everyone in narutoverse works hard...there's nothing wrong with the character
 

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What you need to understand is just like the hyugas and the uchihas who had there byakugan and sharingan, Naruto is an uzumaki born with very strong life force and the potential to be a jin. Its not like anyone could go and become a jin. Then comes the usage of Kurama's power, Madara/Obito too used Kurama, Sasuke too used the chakra of 8.5 tailed beasts. The difference is how they used the power. The uchihas used the sharingan/rinnegan to control while Naruto and other jins use their powerful bodies to contain and use their bijuu's powers.
The Hyuga and Uchiha are like every other clans with their own KKG, this is nothing compare to Naruto. Naruto has another Entity that reside within him therefore Naruto has an Outsource power. Byakugan and Sharignan has its own visual traits of their respective clan that requires training and experiences.

First of all The Byakugan or 3T does not posses powerhouse like the MS/Rinnegan or the Kyuubi does but rather it's much more reliant on how skilled the User is with jutsu and abilities because unlike the Kyuubi; it is a weapon of it's own.

In terms of the Uchiha, they achieved greater power through tragedy loss, so yes they achieved something at the cost of losing someone like how Madara had to suffer while losing his vision he attain something great that allows him to cast genjutsu on the Demon fox.
Up until now Madara used his own power, but once he obtain the Senju DNA that's when he gets a handout.

Naruto already have two powers which has the advantage over these said clan. First he has the Kyuubi fox and secondly he Inherited the Uzumaki bloodline which automatically get rid of the problem for the fox since he always can contain the weight. Naruto isn't a competent shinobi without the fox anyway.



See the problem in your counter argument is the plot argument. Put Sasuke in the same situations and fights and it's the same thing.
about the not killing: Sasuke never killed anyone either. This more of a reflection on the author not a flaw in the character. Kishi doesn't want his heroes killing simple as that.
Sasuke case is clearly differentiate from Naruto. He has his own double standard. Sasuke had to lose someone to attain a one Tomoe Sharingan (Which btw it completely pales and comparison to kyuubi power) after massacred clan whereas Naruto was automatically born with greatness and never received any double standard using that power. Oh yeah their parents was killed off by the fox but that never deals anything that hold present to the story since we're talking about Naruto POV especially when you don't know what its like to have a parent, that is clearly more of a cheap cop out since Naruto wouldn't have to deal with any depression of losing someone you cherish like Sasuke had to go through.

Sasuke couldn't beat Haku alone and was nearly killed off after saving Naruto whereas Naruto ended up saving himself and Sasuke after using the kyuubi power to beat him then Naruto completely reverted back to normal.
When Sasuke went up against Gaara, the CM did substantial damage on him and couldn't beat him wheras Naruto easily beat Gaara thanks to the ninetails help without any consequences.

Sasuke even lost his greatest caliber with his snake summoning against Deidara in order to save himself. Sasuke had to lose his beloved brother to attain MS even despite he lost to itachi.

When was the last time Naruto ever lost to anyone or something. Battle statistically Sasuke with his own power clearly lose more than Naruto. The only time Naruto lost was against Sasuke but of course he got him to be all goodies two shoes again so really Naruto clearly is flawless.


1st we need to realize this is a SHONEN manga. This automatically dictates the protagonist is going to win. You say you can't compare him to other Shonen protagonist but it is literally the same thing with Gon, Goku, Natsu, Ichigo, even Luffy. Plot dictates the protagonist is going to win.
I will say it again, Goku, Natsu and even Ichigo was always known to be born speacil whereas Naruto was supposed to be hardworker and underdog, but everything ended up free handsout for Naruto as well. The funny thing is Ichigo and Goku loses way more than Naruto ever had been.

Gon is different though, he was born with nothing special. He had to go through severe nen training to be strong competent hunter, and each time Gon lose someone because he was too weak.
Gon going ape shit against pitou almost had him on the verge of death and was on the hospital severely wounded and had him on comma. While that happening, Killua had to go through all the trouble to search for his sister Alluka to save his life and in the midst of all that happening, killua had to lose one of the most loyal butler gotoh which again all started because of Gon life on the line.







On to Kurama/repercussion: ..would you like me to list the number of times Naruto was in danger of being consumed by Kurama? It's more than 3 times I can tell you that. I'll give you 5:

Beginning of Shippuden when he faced Sasuke
When he faced Orochimaru and hurt Sakura after going 4 tails
When he fought Sasuke VOTE part I
When he fought Pain
When he was trying to create Rasengan Shiriken.
Training to become a perfect Jin on Turtle Island.
When Jiraiya was training him and he scarred Jiraiya's chest.

I gave you 7 instances right there.
You clearly missing out the facts I already laid out so I'll say it again.

- Beginning of Shippuden, Sasuke escapes rather than beating Naruto ass.

- When he faced orochimaru, Sakura was still able to proceed the mission and still kickin, sakura is a medic which is not only in her favor but also saving Naruto life. Naruto was firmly active after that.

- Agreed Naruto only true loss was to Sasuke.

- Still Beats Pain in the end. Used Kyuubi power to beat him, his Parents who was one of the Strongest Shinobi saved his life and Naruto kyuubi didn't destroy the leaf since Pain was the one to do it. It's all plot.

- He still performed Rasenshiruken against Kakuza, in the end he beats him.

- Easily received help from his mother and the eight tails to beat the kyuubi. Nothing was holding Naruto back, regarless of what happening during the war arc, he beats every edo tensei with it and was the saving grace against WZ Army.

- Alright, Naruto 4 tails did left a big impact on Jiraiya so I agree there.

In other word, you've only pointed out 2 out of 7 instances that Naruto had to lose.
 
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I mean.. when he wasn't using Kurama's chakra, he was spamming clones and rasengans. Every fight was the same. He'd rush them, make clones, get beat to shit, make rasengans, get beat to shit, say something about not giving up and becoming Hokage, uses Kurama's chakra OR get's aided by some other character. I know the whole premise at the end was that he was Asura's reincarnation and Asura couldn't do anything on his own.. but god damnit. Character wise he's just so predictable. Would he be weak without handouts? He'd probably be Upper Chunin or Jonin level with sage mode, summoning ability, clones, rasengan techs, and the sub par taijutsu (compared to other ninja). So no, he wouldn't be considered a weak ninja even without Kurama. In fact, maybe he would have had better training as a kid had he not had Kurama and avoided being an outcast. He maybe even would have had parents to teach him if there would have been no need to seal the fox within him.. I mean look at Boruto. Aside from being spoiled, he doesn't have handouts like Kurama. He has what he was taught by his parents at an early age, and then a sensei that actually has a focus on ALL of his team and not just mainly one student (until he seeks Sasuke out that is).
 
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I don't understand why people think naruto will be weaker without his pet, kishimoto would have given naruto some other power to be on par with sasuke........they were suppose to kill each other at the end anyways.
Sage Mode Naruto is pretty strong I think. Obv not EMS level, but without Kurama I don't think Sasuke would have needed EMS for story purposes.
 

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Naruto's base form could compete against Fused Momoshiki despite the fact he was energy drained and couldn't use Ninjutsu. That makes him extremely powerful even without using Kurama's power.

On the subject of using Kurama's power, I'd like to share some insight with those who love to whine about Naruto using it.

1. He was probably born with some of Kurama's power given the obvious influence we saw on him at his birth.

2. Naruto's chakra is yellow while Kurama's is red. Those two colors make orange, which is the same color Momoshiki saw when looking at Naruto. Naruto and Kurama's chakra is perfectly fused now so it's not really using outside power now isn't it?

3. Why is Naruto the only one people talk about when it comes to "borrowed power" when everyone is using pieces of Kaguya's power gifted to them by Hagoromo? The Bijuu are simply the biggest pieces of her power. It's extremely technical I know, but the concept is still the same, no?

As for Naruto's personality, he not really a Messiah in my opinion. Just because he doesn't like to promote senseless violence doesn't mean he wouldn't kill for the greater good. Look at what happened to Momoshiki.

I'd say more, but time isn't on my side right now. Later!!
 

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There are about two things I hate about Naruto.
The time he forgave Obito (sue me)
and his lack of time management for his family, (this miht be bad writing just to make it like Naruto have no time and makes Boruto resent him)

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