Why Minato LEGIT Defeats Itachi

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As I said before DB facts become inconsistent sometimes as the manga progresses. Anyway if sharingan genjutsu is that powerful then EMS Madara wouldn't have gotten his ass whooped over and over again by Hashirama. All he needed was to simply put Hashi in a genjutsu and then its an easy kill for him. But did that ever happen? No lol.
And just cuz Kurenai, Chee and Orochimaru couldn't break out of genjutsu doesn't prove that Minato won't be able to as well smh. Anyway Itachi himself agrees that every jutsu has a weakness and Tsukiyomi is no exception to that. You're trying to prove something about Itachi that Itachi himself refutes.

Can you show me that so-called inconsistency you keep yapping about in every single post? Where is it? You keep stating and show jack. Does that let Minato off the hook? The weakness has already been explained: a two man team or Sharingan. There is zero inconsistency in the manga when it comes to Sharingan Genjutsu. Zero.

No, they are only wrong, because your dear Minato has no counter for Genjutsu if he goes head to head with an Uchiha.

Minato isn't Hashirama; a man with way more chakra than BM Naruto. How does Minato fit into this equation? Man, you are trying too hard here. The guy can make Mokuton clones, sit somewhere underground and call it a day. He can also use Mokuton to render all Jutsu useless if it snares the user. Another counter. I guess Minato has his own brand of copy-wheel shoved up his deep, deep ass where he doesn't need facts, but can bank in on a random guy's feats to exhibit the same. And where was Madara's ass repeatedly whooped? Care to show me those panels?

Your reasoning is absurd and hilarious. Orochimaru, Chee and Kurenai are Genjutsu specialists. No amount of BS from you changes that. Your fruit boy isn't. If they can't do it, Minato has no chance. He's one-shotted. The databook and the manga state that Genjutsu Kai is useless. It's also so funny, because this databook is showing the events that have already happened and talked of in the manga, confirmed by three characters. Three! So, it is. Who the heck are you to claim it isn't when the manga has adhered to this statement down to the last T?


Itachi already disputed your claim lol. And Danzo did break out of it...not only he broke it but was also able to immobilize Sasuke.
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Danzo broke out of Genjutsu because the Sharingan resists it? I am pretty sure that detail has been covered by Itachi himself in the manga. Whoopsie. How many Sharingans did it take to do so? I can count four moving around in this scan. Not only that, Sasuke had cast a short and weak one to test their limit:

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So, basically, Sasuke wanted to see if he could put him under Genjutsu. And despite Danzo's ability to see through them as he possessed Sharingan himself, he still got put under Genjutsu, twice. Died because of his second slip. How does Minato get out? He has four Sharingans? I guess he needs nothing. It's Minato; a fanfiction unto himself.


:lmao:...if 3T genjutsu one shots then Sasuke should've one shotted Deidara but he barely made out alive or Obito should've one shotted Minato but he got rekt. So no.

Deidara got caught in Genjutsu thrice, despite getting his eye trained. So, what's your point? He's a long distance fighter. Why are you comparing Deidara to Minato? What kind of nonsensical argument is this? And are you still going on about Obito? Nice!
So, basically, you proved nothing? Posting that Itachi scan proves what, really? Where does it say that Hashirama broke out of Sharingan Genjutsus? No, he knew how to avoid the eyes. He spent his entire life fighting the Uchihas and his Mokuton tech that utterly restricts the casting of Jutsu makes your whole flimsy comparison seem that much more ridiculous. Your comparisons with Hashirama and then Deidara (when none of them broke anything nor does the manga say anything of the sort) makes your whole post really absurd.

Next thing you know you will be arguing against Petra Path, Shinra Tensai, Tsukuyomi and KA etc. Every jutsu has a weakness, yo! So, it means they don't do what they are supposed to. Minato is so damn ham, he finds a way! He needs no manga! Woooo!
 
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As I said before DB facts become inconsistent sometimes as the manga progresses. Anyway if sharingan genjutsu is that powerful then EMS Madara wouldn't have gotten his ass whooped over and over again by Hashirama. All he needed was to simply put Hashi in a genjutsu and then its an easy kill for him. But did that ever happen? No lol.
And just cuz Kurenai, Chee and Orochimaru couldn't break out of genjutsu doesn't prove that Minato won't be able to as well smh. Anyway Itachi himself agrees that every jutsu has a weakness and Tsukiyomi is no exception to that. You're trying to prove something about Itachi that Itachi himself refutes.
That weakness would be in the databook I just posted. "When dealing with a sharingan two is the rule," the counter to a sharingan genjutsu requires two people.
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The manga remained consistent with this when Oonoki was needed to break Raikage of Madara's base sharingan genjutsu.
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And if Orochimaru couldn't break out of Itachi's genjutsu, then you're damn right Minato wouldn't be able to. Orochimaru is stronger than Minato, he was the first candidate to become Hokage if not for the crap he's been doing. Hiruzen recognized this as well.

Itachi already disputed your claim lol. And Danzo did break out of it...not only he broke it but was also able to immobilize Sasuke.
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That's not breaking out of his genjutsu, did you even bother to read it? He said Sasuke's genjutsu was too weak because the time was too short unlike Itachi's genjutsu that can manipulate time.

:lmao:...if 3T genjutsu one shots then Sasuke should've one shotted Deidara but he barely made out alive or Obito should've one shotted Minato but he got rekt. So no.
Deidara was caught in the genjutsu so I'm not sure what you're implying here but Deidara had to taught/implant his eyes to be resistant to genjutsu after Itachi one-shot him the last time. And Tobi was manipulating the fox so he didn't have enough chakra to use all these technique at once. Even Madara was unable to genjutsu Hashirama because he was manipulating the fox.

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That weakness would be in the databook I just posted. "When dealing with a sharingan two is the rule," the counter to a sharingan genjutsu requires two people. The manga remained consistent with this when Oonoki was needed to break Raikage of Madara's base sharingan genjutsu. And if Orochimaru couldn't break out of Itachi's genjutsu, then you're damn right Minato wouldn't be able to. Orochimaru is stronger than Minato, he was the first candidate to become Hokage if not for the crap he's been doing. Hiruzen recognized this as well.
If I remember correctly, you're the same person who argued that Izanami is MS tech based on your DB facts with me and then went on to create a separate thread about how wrong my post were which ofc back fired. I suggest you start reading the manga instead of relying on the DB. And I already provided a scan where Itachi himself denies you DB lol.
Hiruzen soloed Orochimaru with Minato's technique. Nuff said.


That's not breaking out of his genjutsu, did you even bother to read it? He said Sasuke's genjutsu was too weak because the time was too short.
Did you. He didn't even move from his place lol. And shouldn't MS Genjutsu be greater than 3T genjutsu? Ofc it was weaker than Itachi's tsukiyomi but it was still MS Genjutsu.

Deidara was caught in the genjutsu. Deidara had to taught/implant his eyes to be resistant to genjutsu after Itachi one-shot him the last time. And Tobi was manipulating the fox so he didn't have enough chakra to use all these technique at once. Even Madara was unable to genjutsu Hashirama because he was manipulating the fox.
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Thank you for proving my point lol that Deidara was able to counter Sasuke's genjutsu and Madara used Kurama only once, what about all the other times they fought?
 

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So, basically, you proved nothing? Posting that Itachi scan proves what, really? Where does it say that Hashirama broke out of Sharingan Genjutsus? No, he knew how to avoid the eyes. He spent his entire life fighting the Uchihas and his Mokuton tech that utterly restricts the casting of Jutsu makes your whole flimsy comparison seem that much more ridiculous. Your comparisons with Hashirama and then Deidara (when none of them broke anything nor does the manga say anything of the sort) makes your whole post really absurd.
I already marked what Itachi said and also explained what that would mean. And I can also take the same approach as you and say the same about the scans you posted? That it proves nothing.
And lol Madara can't cast genjustu but has the time to summon Kurama. And when did Hashirama's mokuton restricted Madara from casting jutsu? Give Hashirama vs Madara VoTE one more read. And heres's your eye contact unless you're implying Hashirama had squint eyes lol.

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Next thing you know you will be arguing against Petra Path, Shinra Tensai, Tsukuyomi and KA etc. Every jutsu has a weakness, yo! So, it means they don't do what they are supposed to. Minato is so damn ham, he finds a way! He needs no manga! Woooo!
Not need to be scared, I won't go off topic lol. And having a weakness doesn't mean an attack would fail...:lmao: it means the opponent can exploit that weakness to their advantage. And I never said Minato would be able to counter Tsukiyomi for sure but that doesn't make him falling to the tsukiyomi a certainty.

I don't even. This guy! Minato fans in a nutshell.
And as usual uchiha fans and their complaining lol.
 
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If I remember correctly, you're the same person who argued that Izanami is MS tech based on your DB facts with me and then went on to create a separate thread about how wrong my post were which ofc back fired. I suggest you start reading the manga instead of relying on the DB. And I already provided a scan where Itachi himself denies you DB lol.
Hiruzen soloed Orochimaru with Minato's technique. Nuff said.
Itachi saying that every jutsu has a weakness is not a retort for minato being able to counter a genjutsu with no explanation on what that weakness is in the first place. And sure enough the databook said that the only weakness/counter to a sharingan base genjutsu is another person to release. Onoki releasing Raikage is proof of that and you still couldn't argue it.
Itachi supports everything I said, he even told naruto that he'll need a second person to help him fight. A second person to release you is the weakness of a sharingan genjutsu. Simple.

And Izanami being used by an Mangekyo sharingan itachi is manga fact. It's not my fault that people are idiots.



Did you. He didn't even move from his place lol. And shouldn't MS Genjutsu be greater than 3T genjutsu? Ofc it was weaker than Itachi's tsukiyomi but it was still MS Genjutsu.
Exactly. Danzo didn't move because he was trapped in the genjutsu. He never said that he broke out of the genjutsu, he said it was weaker than itachi's. Tobi further corrects Danzo by saying that his genjutsu was still in place to think that he still had one more eye left on his hand. Sasuke won because Danzo wasn't able to counter his genjutsu, if not for that genjutsu Danzo would've won.

Funny how Izanami is suppose to be a superior genjutsu but according to you this superior genjutsu is a 3 tomoe. And you just implied now that MS is suppose to be superior to 3 tomoe genjutsu.

Thank you for proving my point lol that Deidara was able to counter Sasuke's genjutsu and Madara used Kurama only once, what about all the other times they fought?
That's not a counter. He made his eyes resist genjutsu meaning he implanted something into it so that genjutsus won't work on him at all. Minato doesn't have the tools necessary to do that and we don't know where deidara got it from either.
In the end, deidara still feel for the genjutsu, so that eye was useless.
 

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I already marked what Itachi said and also explained what that would mean. And I can also take the same approach as you and say the same about the scans you posted? That it proves nothing.
And lol Madara can't cast genjustu but has the time to summon Kurama. And when did Hashirama's mokuton restricted Madara from casting jutsu? Give Hashirama vs Madara VoTE one more read. And heres's your eye contact unless you're implying Hashirama had squint eyes lol.

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What does that bullshit quote have anything to do with Manga facts? Hashirama's Jutsus are capable of chakra absorption and almost complete immobilization, which would not only make normal chakra kneading very difficult, but impossible. In fact, when Madara got snared, he could knead no chakra to escape:

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What proves nothing? Your poor fan-fictions are all over the place. Hashirama has Jutsus to contain Jutsu usage in general. Quit it with this stupidity. Minato isn't Hashirama. And what did that panel prove? That they are on two separate panels, yelling and making constipated faces? Wow, you sure are up to your eye-balls in fictional nonsense.

Not need to be scared, I won't go off topic lol. And having a weakness doesn't mean an attack would fail...:lmao: it means the opponent can exploit that weakness to their advantage. And I never said Minato would be able to counter Tsukiyomi for sure but that doesn't make him falling to the tsukiyomi a certainty.
And what's the purpose of this silly, tacked on paragraph? I asked you for panels not your own, pulled out of the behind interpretations. Nobody cares about them.

And as usual uchiha fans and their complaining lol.
And as usual, Minato fans have nothing to do but draw deep fictions from inside their butts and say little of value. I mean, you have literally produced jack here. Give me one panel that proves your version of events. One.
 
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What? Tsukuyomi cannot even be countered by anyone bar genetically adapted Uchihas. It ends his life. Kakashi only survived as Itachi held back. He has no counter for 3 Tomoe Sharingan as well, as Genjutsu Kai utterly fails against it. It's useless. Orochimaru, Chee and Kurenai failed; Genjutsu specalists. Minato isn't even a Genjutsu type. Without a second man there, he's toast.

What do you mean conclusive evidence? Manga and Databook aren't enough?
Fk lie oro was about to break it but itachi cut his hand off

Kurenai was also able to break it but it simply use pain
 

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Itachi saying that every jutsu has a weakness is not a retort for minato being able to counter a genjutsu with no explanation on what that weakness is in the first place. And sure enough the databook said that the only weakness/counter to a sharingan base genjutsu is another person to release. Onoki releasing Raikage is proof of that and you still couldn't argue it.
Itachi supports everything I said, he even told naruto that he'll need a second person to help him fight. A second person to release you is the weakness of a sharingan genjutsu. Simple.
And Itachi is the same person who said every jutsu has a weakness and that was after the scans you hve provided. Ok lets say another person is required to counter a sharingan genjutsu, I don't see how Minato can't counter, he can simply teleport away and enter fusion sage mode with Maa and Paa without the risk of his sage mode running out and also bringing two more person to break him out of genjustu or he can use clones and keep attacking from a distance. There are a lot of strategies that can be applied to counter Sharingan Genjutsu.
He's a sensor and sage mode will increase his sensory powers even further so that he won't even need to fight making an eye contact or he can break the sharingan users line of sight using a wind style technique and use his sensory powers to strike.

And Izanami being used by an Mangekyo sharingan itachi is manga fact. It's not my fault that people are idiots.
Well I completely agree that Itachi had MS on when he used Izanami. But that's not what you argued about. You were saying Izanami is a MS tech which is not the case.

Exactly. Danzo didn't move because he was trapped in the genjutsu. He never said that he broke out of the genjutsu, he said it was weaker than itachi's. Tobi further corrects Danzo by saying that his genjutsu was still in place to think that he still had one more eye left on his hand. Sasuke won because Danzo wasn't able to counter his genjutsu, if not for that genjutsu Danzo would've won.
Danzo didn't move because he was in control. Sasuke won because he was planning ahead and Danzo grew over confident after breaking out of Sasuke's genjutsu that Sasuke won't use it again

Funny how Izanami is suppose to be a superior genjutsu but according to you this superior genjutsu is a 3 tomoe. And you just implied now that MS is suppose to be superior to 3 tomoe genjutsu.
It seems you still think izanami is a MS jutsu. Why don't you make another thread and see what others have to say on the matter.

That's not a counter. He made his eyes resist genjutsu meaning he implanted something into it so that genjutsus won't work on him at all. Minato doesn't have the tools necessary to do that and we don't know where deidara got it from either.
In the end, deidara still feel for the genjutsu, so that eye was useless.
Already posted how Minato can counter genjutsu.

What does that bullshit quote have anything to do with Manga facts? Hashirama's Jutsus are capable of chakra absorption and almost complete immobilization, which would not only make normal chakra kneading very difficult, but impossible. In fact, when Madara got snared, he could knead no chakra to escape:

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So you're basically saying Madara was restricted from casting any jutsu because of Hashirama's mokuton techniques. So how was he able to summon Kurama and put a Susanoo on him doesn't count and that he can summon, use susanoo but can't put a genjutsu when Hashirama did look directly into his eyes. The BS and stupidity in your post is astonishing. Then again uchiha wankers have always been retarded and start posting non sense whenever they're cornered.

What proves nothing? Your poor fan-fictions are all over the place. Hashirama has Jutsus to contain Jutsu usage in general. Quit it with this stupidity. Minato isn't Hashirama. And what did that panel prove? That they are on two separate panels, yelling and making constipated faces? Wow, you sure are up to your eye-balls in fictional nonsense.
Look who's talking lol. Was Hashirama able to contain summoning Kurama or stop Madara from casting susanoo? No. What did he contain. And genjutsu only requires an eye contact and during VoTE it was clearly there so your entire logic is beyond retarded. Madara was almost on par with Hashirama and had EMS genjutsu, to think someone would actually say that Madara wasn't able to use justu against Hashirama when he clearly did use them and didn't you say 3T genjutsu one shots...:lmao: or are uchihas retarded to not use their genjutsu and prefer to lose instead?
Ofc, Minato isn't Hashirama but all that you've blabbered is pure BS so it doesn't matter. And the panel proved that you're unable to read. Only a an uchiha fap would call manga fact as fiction.

And what's the purpose of this silly, tacked on paragraph? I asked you for panels not your own, pulled out of the behind interpretations. Nobody cares about them.
Are you blind I gave you panels. In Itachi's words "Every jutsu has a weakness". Tsukiyomi is a jutsu and Itachi didn't make an exception when he said that.

And as usual, Minato fans have nothing to do but draw deep fictions from inside their butts and say little of value. I mean, you have literally produced jack here. Give me one panel that proves your version of events. One.
Its not my problem that your reading and comprehension skill sucks.
 
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And Itachi is the same person who said every jutsu has a weakness and that was after the scans you hve provided. Ok lets say another person is required to counter a sharingan genjutsu, I don't see how Minato can't counter, he can simply teleport away and enter fusion sage mode with Maa and Paa without the risk of his sage mode running out and also bringing two more person to break him out of genjustu or he can use clones and keep attacking from a distance. There are a lot of strategies that can be applied to counter Sharingan Genjutsu.
Itachi said the weakness to ocular genjutsus is having a second person help you, so I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand. Bringing in summonings to help will need to be done before that fight, so that's called prep. Given the time it takes Minato to knead senjutsu chakra to summon those two, I would say it's a lot longer than instant. Because genjutsu is instant.

He's a sensor and sage mode will increase his sensory powers even further so that he won't even need to fight making an eye contact or he can break the sharingan users line of sight using a wind style technique and use his sensory powers to strike.
That is complete rubbish. Being a sensor doesn't counter genjutsu, you can ask nagato how well that went up against a sound genjutsu which is vastly inferior to a visual genjutsu. And unless Minato trained like Gai, he's not fighting without eye contact. Minato fought a sharingan user once in his life and he still died without even him using a genjutsu on him.
Wind is not tangible nor does it have color, it's not blocking the line of sight of anybody otherwise people would die not seeing where they are going on a windy day.
Minato has know known wind style technique either so you're really getting desperate.


Well I completely agree that Itachi had MS on when he used Izanami. But that's not what you argued about. You were saying Izanami is a MS tech which is not the case.
You activate MS for an MS technique. The manga never said that it's not an MS technique.


Danzo didn't move because he was in control. Sasuke won because he was planning ahead and Danzo grew over confident after breaking out of Sasuke's genjutsu that Sasuke won't use it again
What a speculation but no. He never broke the genjutsu and sasuke one casted one genjutsu so what you're saying doesn't make sense.
It seems you still think izanami is a MS jutsu. Why don't you make another thread and see what others have to say on the matter.
Still is till manga proven otherwise.

Already posted how Minato can counter genjutsu.
Contract seal is a contract counter not a genjutsu counter. Don't act like one of those idiots that say contract seals can counter ocular genjutsus
 

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Look who's talking lol. Was Hashirama able to contain summoning Kurama or stop Madara from casting susanoo? No. What did he contain. And genjutsu only requires an eye contact and during VoTE it was clearly there so your entire logic is beyond retarded. Madara was almost on par with Hashirama and had EMS genjutsu, to think someone would actually say that Madara wasn't able to use justu against Hashirama when he clearly did use them and didn't you say 3T genjutsu one shots...:lmao: or are uchihas retarded to not use their genjutsu and prefer to lose instead?
Why are you debating Hahirama, you blithering idiot? What the heck does he have anything to do with this blond harlot who has nothing as a counter for Genjutsu? Care to explain that to me? 3 Tomoe does one-shot. I know your Hindi ass can't read proper English, so, maybe, you should get a better hobby, as you probably don't understand what Itachi, Kakashi, Chiyo or the databook state. It's beyond your tiny understanding of this language. I mean, Tobi even underlined the text, but, I guess it's just too hard.

Where is your proof that Hashirama ever came under 3Tomoe Genjutsu as an adult? Show me. Where is the manga scan, when he has Jutsus to counter it? God, you sound so mad. Get over it and stop being so touchy-feely and oversensitive, whiny little dolt. That is the way Uchihas are. Go and send your tear-filled pink-hankies and gut-wrenching complaints (wah wah, Minato can't do it ...) to Kishimoto.

Ofc, Minato isn't Hashirama but all that you've blabbered is pure BS so it doesn't matter. And the panel proved that you're unable to read. Only a an uchiha fap would call manga fact as fiction.

Are you blind I gave you panels. In Itachi's words "Every jutsu has a weakness". Tsukiyomi is a jutsu and Itachi didn't make an exception when he said that.

Its not my problem that your reading and comprehension skill sucks.
Why are you repeating things like an annoying Bollywood song? The manga has defined the weaknesses. That isn't sinking in? What fact? Every Jutsu has a weakness, herpa, derpa, lerpa ... now what? What is the weakness when the weakness has already been defined? How does Minato overcome a 3T Genjutsu, which tailed beasts cannot (bar Kurama that requires MS as a condition)? You think the blond tooty-fruity can do better? Oh wait, dun dun dun, every jutsu has a weakness, but you don't need to show evidence that you think is some kind of extra uber-supa-dupa-powa Minato has, and he just ... does things. You don't need facts.

I think you should write fan-fictions, but with your terrible grammar, wonky English skills and cheap wit, I wouldn't recommend it.

Fk lie oro was about to break it but itachi cut his hand off

Kurenai was also able to break it but it simply use pain
So, Itachi himself cut his hand off, Orochimaru never overcame it? Good to know.

Kurenai's own Jutsu was reflected back at her. So, she broke her own Jutsu. Do yourself a favour, and stop talking.
 
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Itachi said the weakness to ocular genjutsus is having a second person help you, so I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand. Bringing in summonings to help will need to be done before that fight, so that's called prep. Given the time it takes Minato to knead senjutsu chakra to summon those two, I would say it's a lot longer than instant. Because genjutsu is instant.
I already gave so many ways a sharingan genjutsu can be countered but it seems I am wasting my efforts here and I said Minato teleports away and then enters fusion mode. Read my post again.

That is complete rubbish. Being a sensor doesn't counter genjutsu, you can ask nagato how well that went up against a sound genjutsu which is vastly inferior to a visual genjutsu. And unless Minato trained like Gai, he's not fighting without eye contact. Minato fought a sharingan user once in his life and he still died without even him using a genjutsu on him.
Wind is not tangible nor does it have color, it's not blocking the line of sight of anybody otherwise people would die not seeing where they are going on a windy day.
Minato has know known wind style technique either so you're really getting desperate.
You're comparing two different type of genjutsus here. Check out Maa and Paa's genjutsu in the DB. Being a sensor helps you fight without making eye contact, that was the point. Naruto fought Madara limbo clones only using his senses and the clones were not even visible to him.
Sure wind is not visible but when blown on the ground using a wind style technique it could create a strong dust cloud and techniques like that are already there.

You activate MS for an MS technique. The manga never said that it's not an MS technique.
Why don't you make a thread about it and I'll be happy to give my opinion there.

What a speculation but no. He never broke the genjutsu and sasuke one casted one genjutsu so what you're saying doesn't make sense.
It completely makes sense, you're just in denial and you know that.

Still is till manga proven otherwise.
Since you're so confident make a thread mate.

Contract seal is a contract counter not a genjutsu counter. Don't act like one of those idiots that say contract seals can counter ocular genjutsus
The contract it countered was a genjutsu. Its there in the DB scans you've provided.

Why are you debating Hahirama, you blithering idiot?
:lmao:...says the guy who can't even give one scan of Itachi one shotting Minato and uses scans of other characters to wank uchiha genjutsu. Its for reference dumbass.

What the heck does he have anything to do with this blond harlot who has nothing as a counter for Genjutsu? Care to explain that to me? 3 Tomoe does one-shot. I know your Hindi ass can't read proper English, so, maybe, you should get a better hobby, as you probably don't understand what Itachi, Kakashi, Chiyo or the databook state. It's beyond your tiny understanding of this language. I mean, Tobi even underlined the text, but, I guess it's just too hard.
Someone sure got triggered. I can read english well enough to know when someone is salty...:rolleyes:. Itachi already negged whatever everyone else said before in one simple sentence which you are unable to understand it seems. Yeah I should take the guy who thinks Izanami is MS tech seriously lol.

Where is your proof that Hashirama ever came under 3Tomoe Genjutsu as an adult? Show me.
Where is your proof that Minato ever got one shot by any sharingan genjutsu or Tsukiyomi.
And if 3T genjutsu one shots then EMS Madara's genjtusu sure should one shot Hashirama based on your retarded logic.

Where is the manga scan, when he has Jutsus to counter it? God, you sound so mad. Get over it and stop being so touchy-feely and oversensitive, whiny little dolt. That is the way Uchihas are. Go and send your tear-filled pink-hankies and gut-wrenching complaints (wah wah, Minato can't do it ...) to Kishimoto.
God you sound like a retard over and over. When did Madara ever used genjutsu on Hashi? Never. Why won't Madara use a one shotting genjutus technique? Because it doesn't. Only a dumbass like you would think it does lol. Oh well it all comes down to uchiha wank over logic for some uchiha fappers. Pathetic as usual.

Why are you repeating things like an annoying Bollywood song? The manga has defined the weaknesses. That isn't sinking in? What fact? Every Jutsu has a weakness, herpa, derpa, lerpa ... now what? What is the weakness when the weakness has already been defined? How does Minato overcome a 3T Genjutsu, which tailed beasts cannot (bar Kurama that requires MS as a condition)? You think the blond tooty-fruity can do better? Oh wait, dun dun dun, every jutsu has a weakness, but you don't need to show evidence that you think is some kind of extra uber-supa-dupa-powa Minato has, and he just ... does things. You don't need facts.
I already explained the counters in my last reply to Tobi.

I think you should write fan-fictions, but with your terrible grammar, wonky English skills and cheap wit, I wouldn't recommend it.
Don't worry bro I won't but I sure did like your fanfics so far. Keep them coming.
 

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Minato can only outlast with full intel. only perception sensory can properly counter visual genjutsu because they can still defend without their eyes open unlike other sensory according to jiraiya. without intel, it's unlikely minato would go straight sage mode unless he felt he needed to considering he didn't use it against obito. minato can scatter his tag kunai's to counter genjutsu but susanoo is in the way.
 
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