Why Minato LEGIT Defeats Itachi

[Im Still Robin]

Minato can only outlast with full intel. only perception sensory can properly counter visual genjutsu because they can still defend without their eyes open unlike other sensory according to jiraiya. without intel, it's unlikely minato would go straight sage mode unless he felt he needed to considering he didn't use it against obito. minato can scatter his tag kunai's to counter genjutsu but susanoo is in the way.

He didn't use it vs Obito because lets be honesty...Kishi threw that in there for Minato, but it makes sense to make him not good at sage mode.

Him and J-man are normal strong ninjas without bs eye powers or sage abilities, etc.

Minato does have knowledge on sharingan lol... I mean it's the sharingan Minato isn't a idiot he's actually smarter and faster than Itachi.

He figured out how to defeat kamui in 4 seconds IN BATTLE...figured out COAT... the creation of all times and how do nullify it IN BATTLE while 8 Gates Guy and Juubi jin Madara were fighting at insane speeds.

Minato is an in battle genius let alone his ingeniousness in itself. To say he doesn't have basic knowledge to fight an Uchiha is insulting as a ninja and as a hokage. He was Kakashi's teacher for god sake lmao he grew up with Uchiha lmao so insulting and kind of retarded of you people to assume the youngest hokage not to have that knowledge.

Itachi has tskuyomi, right he knows nothing about that, but Minato has better reflexes, reaction time, and is a sensor who has ma and pa for sage mode.

He can tell and feel the difference of the chakra building in his eye. Being that didn't Itachi lose to Shisui many times...just saying even though he has sharingan too you can't deny the fact that he is well known for his speed blitz shunshin (which I'm sure played a big role in Itachi's many losses to Shisui)

Just throwing that out there. Itachi has no knowledge on Minato as well lets not forget that at all. Like completely no knowledge.

 

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Him and J-man are normal strong ninjas without bs eye powers or sage abilities, etc.

hahaha shit killed me

 

[Mellanoma]

Minato only feat vs uchiha is beating obito at 14 whos only ability was chains and teleporting lol

I will glady vs thread any one on minato vs itachi as based on all manga comparisons and feats itachi would wreck minato

Fyi itachi was 6-7 when minato died amd based on manga itachi was already as smart as him lol

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I already gave so many ways a sharingan genjutsu can be countered but it seems I am wasting my efforts here and I said Minato teleports away and then enters fusion mode. Read my post again.

You didn't give me anything but prep as an excuse. Like I said, genjutsu is instant so minato can't teleport away if he's already caught in a genjutsu at the start of the battle.

You're comparing two different type of genjutsus here. Check out Maa and Paa's genjutsu in the DB. Being a sensor helps you fight without making eye contact, that was the point. Naruto fought Madara limbo clones only using his senses and the clones were not even visible to him.

:lol no it doesn't, all it does is help you sense danger. Do you know how many times Madara and his limbo clone made eye contact with rsm naruto during their fight? Minato is not gai, he makes eye contact and the fight is over.

Sure wind is not visible but when blown on the ground using a wind style technique it could create a strong dust cloud and techniques like that are already there.

Genjutsu is instant, when are you going to have time to weave signs let alone do all that? Anyway, Minato doesn't have a windstyle technique so that doesn't help.

Why don't you make a thread about it and I'll be happy to give my opinion there.

I'm not looking for opinions. I just go by what Kishi wrote/implied.

It completely makes sense, you're just in denial and you know that.

No it doesn't make sense. Sasuke only cast only one genjutsu during the whole fight and it didn't end till the end of the fight here.

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So who again is in denial?

Since you're so confident make a thread mate.

Don't need to when nobody has the answer to the first one.

The contract it countered was a genjutsu. Its there in the DB scans you've provided.

Where exactly did you read that? Because the databook says you're wrong.'

Contract Seal (契約封印, Keiyaku Fūin)

Ninjutsu - Fūinjutsu

With a single touch a binding seal is placed on the person.

 

[Im Still Robin]

hahaha shit killed me

You know what I mean lol

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

You didn't give me anything but prep as an excuse. Like I said, genjutsu is instant so minato can't teleport away if he's already caught in a genjutsu at the start of the battle.

Minato's teleportation is instant too.

:lol no it doesn't, all it does is help you sense danger. Do you know how many times Madara and his limbo clone made eye contact with rsm naruto during their fight? Minato is not gai, he makes eye contact and the fight is over.

Lol it does, Madara fought using only Hashi's stolen sage mode when he didn't have eyes....manga fact.
How does limbo clones make eye contacts with Naruto when Naruto can't even see them. And why would Minato go and make an eye contact with a sharingan user.

Genjutsu is instant, when are you going to have time to weave signs let alone do all that? Anyway, Minato doesn't have a windstyle technique so that doesn't help.

Again ignoring Minato's powers, FTG is instant too and minato doesn't need to weave signs to use it. Wind style is listed in Minato's profile.

I'm not looking for opinions. I just go by what Kishi wrote/implied.

Create a thread or are you scared?

No it doesn't make sense. Sasuke only cast only one genjutsu during the whole fight and it didn't end till the end of the fight here.

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So who again is in denial?

...so are you saying all that fight happened in Sasuke's genjutsu.

Don't need to when nobody has the answer to the first one.

Except you lololol.

Where exactly did you read that? Because the databook says you're wrong.'

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You know what I mean lol

then use tobirama as an example who literally never ripped of other's jutsu nor did use bijuu chakra or senjutsu or doujutsu

 

[Amenotejikara]

He didn't use it vs Obito because lets be honesty...Kishi threw that in there for Minato, but it makes sense to make him not good at sage mode.

Him and J-man are normal strong ninjas without bs eye powers or sage abilities, etc.

Minato does have knowledge on sharingan lol... I mean it's the sharingan Minato isn't a idiot he's actually smarter and faster than Itachi.

He figured out how to defeat kamui in 4 seconds IN BATTLE...figured out COAT... the creation of all times and how do nullify it IN BATTLE while 8 Gates Guy and Juubi jin Madara were fighting at insane speeds.

Minato is an in battle genius let alone his ingeniousness in itself. To say he doesn't have basic knowledge to fight an Uchiha is insulting as a ninja and as a hokage. He was Kakashi's teacher for god sake lmao he grew up with Uchiha lmao so insulting and kind of retarded of you people to assume the youngest hokage not to have that knowledge.

Itachi has tskuyomi, right he knows nothing about that, but Minato has better reflexes, reaction time, and is a sensor who has ma and pa for sage mode.

He can tell and feel the difference of the chakra building in his eye. Being that didn't Itachi lose to Shisui many times...just saying even though he has sharingan too you can't deny the fact that he is well known for his speed blitz shunshin (which I'm sure played a big role in Itachi's many losses to Shisui)

Just throwing that out there. Itachi has no knowledge on Minato as well lets not forget that at all. Like completely no knowledge.

Uchiha intel =/= itachi intel lol.

Naruto despite basic knowledge on uchiha due to jiraiya and chiyo still got caught by genjutsu. Kakashi later noted breaking genjutsu doesn't mean you'd have a counter for tsukuyomi. so realistically, let's assume minato thinks to himself
"oh he's uchiha, All I have to do is avoid eye contact -Looks at finger- Boom finger gen GG" or
"oh he's uchiha, I can easily break his visual gen no problem -looks at eye- Tsuku gg"

He has to use FTG or I suppose sagemode but from I remember he can't fight and sense at the sametime. So essentially his sagemode is only useful for ninjutsu and taijutsu buff which is all still useless against susanoo. if he's fully aware of whose he'd up against and doesn't attempt to "gg" itachi like he did to obito, he should be able to outlast him otherwise he's f*** imo. God forbid if itachi has intel on minato.

 

[Tyris]

Fk lie oro was about to break it but itachi cut his hand off

Kurenai was also able to break it but it simply use pain

False.
Oro wasn't breaking shit even if 3t Gen' lol

Kurenai got genjustu countered and placed under her own tech... she didn't break out using pain either foh lol

 

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which is all still useless against susanoo.

uh how long do you think itachi is gonna keep his susanoo against someone whose reserve is massive enough to learn sage mode

 

[Tyris]

And Itachi is the same person who said every jutsu has a weakness and that was after the scans you hve provided. Ok lets say another person is required to counter a sharingan genjutsu, I don't see how Minato can't counter, he can simply teleport away and enter fusion sage mode with Maa and Paa without the risk of his sage mode running out and also bringing two more person to break him out of genjustu or he can use clones and keep attacking from a distance. There are a lot of strategies that can be applied to counter Sharingan Genjutsu.
He's a sensor and sage mode will increase his sensory powers even further so that he won't even need to fight making an eye contact or he can break the sharingan users line of sight using a wind style technique and use his sensory powers to strike.



Well I completely agree that Itachi had MS on when he used Izanami. But that's not what you argued about. You were saying Izanami is a MS tech which is not the case.



Danzo didn't move because he was in control. Sasuke won because he was planning ahead and Danzo grew over confident after breaking out of Sasuke's genjutsu that Sasuke won't use it again



It seems you still think izanami is a MS jutsu. Why don't you make another thread and see what others have to say on the matter.



Already posted how Minato can counter genjutsu.



So you're basically saying Madara was restricted from casting any jutsu because of Hashirama's mokuton techniques. So how was he able to summon Kurama and put a Susanoo on him doesn't count and that he can summon, use susanoo but can't put a genjutsu when Hashirama did look directly into his eyes. The BS and stupidity in your post is astonishing. Then again uchiha wankers have always been retarded and start posting non sense whenever they're cornered.



Look who's talking lol. Was Hashirama able to contain summoning Kurama or stop Madara from casting susanoo? No. What did he contain. And genjutsu only requires an eye contact and during VoTE it was clearly there so your entire logic is beyond retarded. Madara was almost on par with Hashirama and had EMS genjutsu, to think someone would actually say that Madara wasn't able to use justu against Hashirama when he clearly did use them and didn't you say 3T genjutsu one shots... or are uchihas retarded to not use their genjutsu and prefer to lose instead?
Ofc, Minato isn't Hashirama but all that you've blabbered is pure BS so it doesn't matter. And the panel proved that you're unable to read. Only a an uchiha fap would call manga fact as fiction.



Are you blind I gave you panels. In Itachi's words "Every jutsu has a weakness". Tsukiyomi is a jutsu and Itachi didn't make an exception when he said that.



Its not my problem that your reading and comprehension skill sucks.

Every jutsu has a weakness besides His(He Who Cannot Be Soloed)

Also minato isn't going to break a genjustu he trapped like he did kyuubi. He is able to cut the link of another NOT his own once already placed under... plus you fail to realise and remember m'Lord Crow DOESN'T NEED TO USE HIS EYES TO CAST HIS HAXX GENJUSTU

 

[Amenotejikara]

uh how long do you think itachi is gonna keep his susanoo against someone whose reserve is massive enough tp learn sage mode

You're crazy if you think without intel minato would even last long enough to put itachi in that situation.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Every jutsu has a weakness besides His(He Who Cannot Be Soloed)

Also minato isn't going to break a genjustu he trapped like he did kyuubi. He is able to cut the link of another NOT his own once already placed under... plus you fail to realise and remember m'Lord Crow DOESN'T NEED TO USE HIS EYES TO CAST HIS HAXX GENJUSTU

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You're crazy if you think without intel minato would even last long enough to put itachi in that situation.

yeah considering i debated for itachi multiple times when i was new here.that was nds lel

Itachi does have far superior fire power and arsenal than minato but doesn't change the fact minato has far superior speed[FTG and shunshin better than tobirama]

he can keep on running untill itachi runs out of chakra and the fact is itachi needs to keep susanoo repeteadly in to fend of his strikes.Minato can also summon bunta and multiple frog summons meaning susanoo is necessity for Itachi

 

[Tyris]

:wesobi:

miNOTo faps should just try in another 3 years

SMD rest in peace

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

miNOTo faps should just try in another 3 years

SMD rest in peace

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[Amenotejikara]

yeah considering i debated for itachi multiple times when i was new here

Itachi does have far superior fire power and arsenal than minato but doesn't change the fact minato has far superior speed[FTG and shunshin better than tobirama]

he can keep on running untill itachi runs out of chakra and the fact is itachi needs to keep susanoo repeteadly in fend of his strikes.Minato can also summon bunta and multiple frog summons meaning susanoo is necessity for Itachi

Minato =/= Raikage.

Minato shunshin is inferior to raikage v2 which was required for him to bypass sharingan techniques. Nor would he even try since unlike him, raikage actually had some intel about itachi mangekyou that gave him heads up for MS sasuke.

lol he's not summoning frogs, minato has enough intel to know that uchiha would just take control over the frogs and have them work for him to possibly catch minato off guard for itachi to flank him with his dojutsu. Even if itachi didn't, he'd lite up all 3 of them at once regardless of minato's intel.

His only option is to spread his kunai's to actively evade all of itachi's genjutsu and dojutsu since minato's reaction time = raikage v2. but he's not doing that strategy without intel. and going off what he initially did against obito, at best he'd start with just 1 tag kunai which itachi would easily just block it or possibly throw his own kunai to knock it back then follow up with genjutsu.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Minato's teleportation is instant too.

Throwing his ftg knife is not meaning genjutsu is set before marking his destination.

Lol it does, Madara fought using only Hashi's stolen sage mode when he didn't have eyes....manga fact.
How does limbo clones make eye contacts with Naruto when Naruto can't even see them. And why would Minato go and make an eye contact with a sharingan user.

Madara fought before he stole Hashirama's sagemode too so that doesn't mean anything.
Limbo clones have eyes too, just because naruto can't see the limbo clones doesn't mean they can't see him and JJ Madara made eye contact as well.
Minato already made eye contact with a sharingan user so I have no idea on why you're asking why.

Again ignoring Minato's powers, FTG is instant too and minato doesn't need to weave signs to use it. Wind style is listed in Minato's profile.

Did you just say that Minato doesn't need to weave signs to cast a jutsu?
Oh my good, name one windstyle minato used. Name one jutsu

Create a thread or are you scared?

I already created one, so why would I be scared when I already did?

...so are you saying all that fight happened in Sasuke's genjutsu.

I said a genjutsu was cast to make Danzo think he had one eye left. Did you see Sasuke cast genjutsu a second time? Even if he did, Danzo never broke out of the genjutsu

Except you lololol.

Evidently Itachi's MS says enough

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Says nothing about breaking genjutsus or contract seals breaking genjutsu, so what's your damage?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Throwing his ftg knife is not meaning genjutsu is set before marking his destination.

He doesn't need to throw his kunai to perform FTG, he can teleport to any of the other seals he has placed at various parts in the world. Like arount Konoha.

Madara fought before he stole Hashirama's sagemode too so that doesn't mean anything.

Wow so EDO Madara fighting with his rinnegan eyes is the same as him fighting without eyes only relying on sage mode sensory powers.

Limbo clones have eyes too, just because naruto can't see the limbo clones doesn't mean they can't see him and JJ Madara made eye contact as well.

Then show e that limbo clones can cast genjutsu as well. So Naruto made eye contact and yet Madara didn't cast genjutsu which based on your logic one shots. Why?

Minato already made eye contact with a sharingan user so I have no idea on why you're asking why.

Why didn't Obito use genjutsu when it one shots.

Did you just say that Minato doesn't need to weave signs to cast a jutsu?
Oh my good, name one windstyle minato used. Name one jutsu

FTG....

I already created one, so why would I be scared when I already did?

Then create one more and prove it.

I said a genjutsu was cast to make Danzo think he had one eye left. Did you see Sasuke cast genjutsu a second time?

Lol did you think he didn't?

Evidently Itachi's MS says enough

Lets discuss it in a separate thread.

Says nothing about breaking genjutsus or contract seals breaking genjutsu, so what's your damage?

Read his elemental affinity at the right side bottom corner. He has wind and DB confirms that, I don't know which outdated DB you refer to.

 

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Minato =/= Raikage.

Minato shunshin is no where as fast as v2 raikage which was required for him to bypass sharingan techniques. Nor would he even try since unlike him, raikage actually had some intel about itachi mangekyou that gave him heads up for MS sasuke.

Doesn't need to.Raikage's uses brute strength minato does not

lol he's not summoning frogs, minato has enough intel to know that uchiha would just take control over the frogs and have them work for him to possibly catch minato off guard for itachi to flank him with his dojutsu. Even if itachi didn't, he'd lite up all 3 of them at once regardless of minato's intel.

there would be multiple frogs not one and minato can summon them right above itachi so no chance of genjutsu
him using amaterasu would mean he only be wasting his chakra
uh nope considering minato is Hokage and shadow clone user he gets access to multiple shadow clown jutsu.which means he can prolong the fight and itachi is not fending him without susanoo

His only option is to spread his kunai's to actively evade all of itachi's genjutsu and dojutsu. but he's not doing that without intel. and going off what he initially did against obito, at best he'd start with just 1 tag kunai which itachi would easily just block it or possibly throw his own kunai to knock it back then follow up with genjutsu.

Obito was never able to catch him in genjutsu in whole fight so don't know why are you bringing this