Neji vs Sakura
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Neji vs Sakura :lol
speed : Neji = Sakura
Taijutsu : Neji >>>>>> Sakura
Neji has a Byakugan , so his detection and reaction >>> Sakura's
so yeah , he can easily maneuver her :lol
strength is not a factor for someone who damages with the slightest touch :lol
because he will not block her attacks , when he can easily dodge or evade , and block her chakra points :lol
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Against the Raikage clearly a variation of factors has to be mentally considered , like the Raikage's physcal size , skill . exp , speed along with strength. Against SM things like speed/melee reflexes , skill and strength also needs considering among the most important being Frog kata's nature application.
Yep , so that point was moot. Would be great if u could simpy understand these simple concepts when it should be obvious.
Why do u love making irrelvant points with me Bro? The rasengan would clearly still blast his arm just like it did to Tobi and Kabuto.
Yep.
was not counting frog kata
CES has allowed the user to destroying ribcage susanoo with one hit;lifting up giant tanto;slam a v3;cut through a susanoo blade[maybe it was chakra scapel];destroy an area around radius of almost 200m;break kaguya's horn.
trying to redirect without getting pasted would be hefty task let alone when the opponent can have shown to react to something to superior to your speed.what makes it more less likely is Neji's only feat with it is deflecting part 1 hinata and part 1 base naruto
wut Third tanked FRS :|
Chouji vs hinata
guess who wins all three
Becoz neji is ninja he can jump and doge sakura's Aoe;sakura won't be able to land a single hit while he will land every hit
heard that the first 5 times you spammed in that single post
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Great because that it isn't the only factor i noted.
Neji would be the one reacting to her punch. Reacting to Kaguya's arm from a distance isn't the same as reacting to someone who is first reacting to u and ur already thrown attack in Melee Range , who will also be exploiting it.
Another MOOT Point bro!.. Tanking FRS has ntn to do with anything , how would that stop his arm from gettig blasted by the Rasengan??? :|
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>talking about Neji vs Sakura
>@ing me with Chouji vs Hinata
nice :lol
and do you know how many times you spammed that "Neji needs many hits while Sakura needs one hit" , do you ?
no offense , but I am really , really sick of this ****ing argument , I will not repeat myself again , if Hakke two palms is landed the others can land as easily , nothing more , nothing less
and Sakura's AOE can be
1.prevented via air fist palm
2.evaded , since Neji is fast and has a Byakugan which has an amazing field of detection
3.tanked with Kaiten
also she needs momentum in order to increase her AOE , remember ?
and I've already explained everything
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No that feat gives her reaction meaning she will react to it to an extent.Does not mean from what distance she reacted
what you are saying is since neji is cqc fighter he will outmaneuver all her hits.Are you going to argue same for Tsunade nope
are you going to argue same that hinata would do for sakura nope.
neji's feat of outmanuvering someone completely in taijutsu is when he was completely superior to them in all format speed;taijutsu;strength;reflexes while his opponents lacked all.he is not doing that here
becoz 3rd raikage is not either tobi or kabuto.Tobi was fine after kcm naruto's rasengan 3rd's durabilty is much superior.
sasori arc sakura's ces would pulverize many ninja's does not mean it do same to sandaime.
yes the same bs again.i can see why you repeteadly posted same thing at least 5 times in one quote
won't be long till you make threads like how Bykaugan user defeats EMS user via pokey pokey
don't sprout half assed bs then backtrack
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sigh... , the Ninjas need to control the chakra in order to use jutsus , right ?.
if two Hakke palms is landed , then it would block 2 tenketsu , meaning that it would disturb the ****ing chakra flow , disturbing the ****ing chakra control , giving the chance for user to land the other ****ing 62 blows instantly in a matter of seconds
did you get it ?
and @bold Lmao , I have to admit the technique looks kinda weird in real life :/
Taijutsu is simply put : hand to hand combat
both Neji and Sakura uses their ****ing hands to strike , and Neji is more skilled in hand to hand combat , do the math
and Chouji vs Hinata , is not a hand to hand combat , Chouji is ten times bigger than her , and he can easily step on her
how does that count as a hand to hand combat ?
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You sprouting and posting something 100 times repeteadly won't make it possible when already state it was not
that is your whole argument in a nutshell and that is going to be your whole argument till next 10 pages if i countinue
the only thing you are going to spew is neji has skills he dodges everything and sakura cannot hit him
let me get this straight unless you are not going to bring me either a single superior speed feat from part 2 neji or single superior reflexsive feat don't quote.
and sakura has strength to one hit ko but oh wait another post containing neji has skills he dodges everything and sakura cannot hit him
yes sakura single punch does damage that is larger than chouji giant ass form and it decimate neji along with the sorrounding are
and Yeah i know neji has skills he dodges everything and sakura cannot hit him bs
now either go and find speed or strength feat of him that he can survive it or don't qoute with bs like he is a ninja so he dodges it
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Sakura wins mid difficulty.
A punch from the ground would send Neji flying into the air or forcing him to dodge by punching the ground. Anyway if he doesn't get killed by that, he gets killed by a follow up punch which he can't dodge. If Neji tries using vacuum palm, it isn't going to blow Sakura away considering she can put in far more momentum when she uses CES to propel herself towards Neji compared to vacuum palm pushing Kisame back.
In CQC, Sakura should be fast enough to block Neji's hits with the non dominant arm. She can kick the ground to throw Neji's footing off balance which will hinder him because Neji's taijutsu uses complex footwork, that's when she can gain an opening to punch him.
A punch from the ground would send Neji flying into the air or forcing him to dodge by punching the ground. Anyway if he doesn't get killed by that, he gets killed by a follow up punch which he can't dodge. If Neji tries using vacuum palm, it isn't going to blow Sakura away considering she can put in far more momentum when she uses CES to propel herself towards Neji compared to vacuum palm pushing Kisame back.
In CQC, Sakura should be fast enough to block Neji's hits with the non dominant arm. She can kick the ground to throw Neji's footing off balance which will hinder him because Neji's taijutsu uses complex footwork, that's when she can gain an opening to punch him.
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What do u mean?
Tsunade is far more skilled in Taijutsu compared to her and has a higher stat in the Databook than Neji. So far all i'v addressed is a single punch from Sakura , so im not sure where u think i said he'd completly outmanoeuvre all her hits because i didn't and even so , Sakura would need to attack the ground in some way to gain a opening to hit Neji.
We are clearly on the subject of redirecting the first swing[/B] , but u just seem to cant stick to this for some reason so this will likely be my last post as its become somewat of an annoyance.
U didn't even answer the question , wat does that have to do with Rasengan blasting and redirecting his arm all the same? NTN
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the 64 palms strikes tenketsu , and block it , meaning that the Hakke two palm block two chakra points
now what blocking chakra points does ?
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Hinata =/=Neji , Neji was able to do it easily when he was a genin so he would have zero problem doing it
I have just given a logical explanation that proves my point , and your @ , was just pathetic , give me a reason to why my point is moot , I'll wait
you simply just @ed me that it didn't manage to finish either Kidomaru or Naruto , and that's simply because Naruto had Kurama and Kidomaru had a golden skin , ya' know things that Sakura doesn't possess , so your point was really irrelevant
then you @ed me that it can be reacted to it , even if the Hakke two palms is landed , just because Asuma was able to react to a freaking Samehada
I mean WTF ?, really ? , you have just compared a strike of a ****ing heavy sword with a fast strike that strikes 64 times in a matter of seconds , Lmao what a comparison
and that was really irrelevant and had nothing to do with the point .now unless you have something to prove me wrong just stay quite .
and @bold Lamo , Neji shown a better reflexes when he was a genin than dodging this damn arm , because he simply dodged an undetectable strikes from the point blank , while Sakura just detected a strike coming from 4-5 meters and just leaped for 2 meters, and was saved later on by Kakashi -_-
and how many times do I have to tell you , that dodging this god damn arm is not a feat in close combat
also , Neji is faster than Tsunade , going by your logic , Neji should be able to defeat Tsunade ? :lol
anyone can KO, even Konohamaru , I have already stated why this point was BS.
well no one denied that , that simply if it was an indirect hit , because hell no , she will not be able to land a direct hit on Neji
well Sakura can not hit him directly , but she has a chance if she kept punching the ground with one punch after another . she might win
simply don't @ me with "Sakura can win because she can KO" because this point is completely retarded :lol
now.. what about posting some of Sakura's feats in Taijutsu :lol
his Kaiten was able to bounce the Juubi hand
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while Sakura's cherry blossom impact couldn't even damage a Juubi
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now the Juubi could have either tanked it or was able to run 100m in an instant :| , which I doubt was the case here [
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] since even Shino and Hinata managed to maneuver a Juubi clone I can't see why Kaiten would not be able to tank it , if a Juubi did
and @bold Lmao , so you ignored everything I stated , and just focused on this point to mock me
Lmao , all I meant by he is a Ninja , that he can jump high , nothing more , nothing less
my point is , he is not a mindless goblin who is going to stand still and wait for Sakura to strike
just because Sakura have blasted a mindless Juubi directly, that doesn't mean that she can blast a skillful Ninja who can dodge and react .
why he wouldn't be able to dodge ?
I mean if you are speaking about
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, then keep in mind that she needed a considerable momentum to cause such an impact , she needed to jump very high [
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] , meaning that this strike can be prevented if Neji strike her with air fist palm while she is in the airand if she tried a direct punch to the ground with out the need of jumping , then her punch going to be similar to
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, probably stronger after she got the yin seal , but it would still be evade able for someone as fast as Neji also cherry blossom impact needs momentum and force to begin with ([
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] you can see here how Sakura is always striking with force ), meaning that it would be slower than air fist palm , meaning that the air fist palm can hit her before she manages to hit the ground . no ?Neji can just prevent her from hitting the ground , also in worst scenarios , if Sakura managed to punch the ground , and where Neji would be not be able to evade , I can't see why can't Kaiten save him
I mean a Juubi clone have managed to survive Sakura's Massive AOE that is caused by her cherry blossom impact [
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], and Neji's Kaiten was able to bounce a Juubi's hand , if a Juubi was able to tank it I can't see why Kaiten won't be saving himI didn't get your point here .
I mean if she jumped for the cherry blossom impact , can't Neji just strike her head to knock her away and prevent the strike ? ,
and if she tried Cherry Blossom Impact directly from the ground , can't just Neji prevent it if he blow her of her balance by striking her head or her leg ? , or any weak spot ? , no ?
actually she is fast in footwork , but not very sure about her hands speed , I mean Neji's hands speed is fast enough to strike someone 64 times in 64 different spots precisely in a matter of seconds , I can't see how Sakura would be able to block his strikes if he decided to strike fast continuously and aggressively .
if she decided to block his hits with her arm , then Neji can use this chance to block her Chakra points that are located in her arm , and by doing so , she wouldn't be able to channel chakra to her fist , meaning that her CES would be disabled , just like how he did with Hinata [
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] .and he can also strike her fast in many different spots instantly or performing the 8 Trigrams 64 palms . the Bold , I can agree with , but the moment she get close to Neji the moment that she is finished . Neji is not going just to stand waiting for her to strike , when she is within the field of Hakke (8 Trigrams) like this [
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] , she would be instantly stroke by 64 palms , and because if he landed Hakke two palms like
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, that would block two chakra points , and by that blocking her chakra flow , and by that disturbing her chakra control , and by that disabling her CES the moment that she is stroke , and the others 62 palms can be landed fast and easily to disable her completelybesides , how is she going to block a strike from Neji in the first place ?
she simply lacks the skills , end of story
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The momentum Sakura gains by leaping adds a negligible amount of kinetic energy to Sakura's own CES punch. Characters far faster than Sakura, like V2 Ay, and thus those with far more momentum hit so much weaker than her that their damage output is only a small fraction compared to Sakura's punch. If that amount of damage was reduced, it wouldn't do anything noticeable to the impact of Sakura's punch. Saying Sakura needs momentum to recreate that is both fan fiction and science fiction.
How is kaiten working when the ground underneath him shattered? He needs a solid footing to spin. At best he can use full body blow but then Sakura will take him out while he's in midair.
Vacuum palm only has a 5 m range. Sakura doesn't have to be near Neji when she punches the ground.
No, why would she be unable to punch if she gets hit by vacuum palm?
Itachi can parry Killer Bee's eight sword dance with a mere kunai despite Bee's far superior striking speed. Parrying someone obviously doesn't require to be anywhere near the other's striking speed. From your and Blaze's argument, it seems the two of you agree that Sakura and Neji are on par with each other in reactions. We know that Neji has to react to his own striking speed whenever he strikes or else he wouldn't be able to precisely strike his opponents and insert chakra into their chakra points with each strike. So Sakura reacts well enough to at least block them with her non dominant arm.
If Neji goes for 8 trigrams 64 palms, Sakura simply punches him. He can't evade her while he's busy striking her nonstop. 8 trigrams 64 palms is far from instant. It first starts off slow and
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after each multiple of 2 hits. Also I used Sakura's non dominant arm as a means of blocking Neji's strikes simply because it is expendable as the arm Sakura uses to punch will be safe.
her CES is a factor , no one denied that , but isn't the force of her punch is what cause the impact ? , I mean she would not be able to cause an impact like this with a tap , her CES doesn't explode from it's own ya'know
can't he spin while he is in the air ? :|
and @bold , isn't there going to be a dust after the impact , just like
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how can Sakura see through that dust and detect Neji ?
Neji can via Byakugan , so I doubt that Sakura would be able to take him down
that's why I think that Neji would move his ass and engage instead of standing still like a mindless Juubi clone
why can't air fist palm blow her of her balance ?
a strike on the head as an example , something similar to this
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or a strike on her leg or whatever , not every limb would be enhanced at the same time time ya' know
isn't that because Itachi was more skilled ?
besides he had a sharingan (ya'know , something that Sakura doesn't posses ) which can allows him to see high-speed moving object , so yeah he would keep up with Bee's fast strikes , why wouldn't he ?
first , me and Blaze agreed that they are the same tier as speed , but I think that he changed his mind for some reason
anyway , Neji has a better reaction for sure , and that thanks to Byakugan , since it has an amazing field of detection (in Neji's case , 800m 360 degree of X ray vision) which enable the user to detect every attack accurately and to react to them
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just focus on the last page
The Byakugan is also able to follow high-speed movements, which allows the user to better react to them
the reason that Neji activated his Byukugan to follow 5th gate Lee's high speed [
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] , and it is the same reason that he was keeping up with Kyubi cloaked Naruto despite being outclassed in speed I get your point , but I think you misunderstood something about the 8 Trigrams 64 palms
it is simply a jutsu where every set of strikes blocks a certain amount of chakra point
the first strike blocks two chakra point , and the second blocks 4 , and third blocks 8 , and etc..
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and you can say it is a maneuver of the gentle fist
where the user make a stance like
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, and spin fast to strike with two Hakke palms like
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if Hakke two palms is landed like , it would simply block two chakra points , and by doing so it would block some of the flow of chakra in the chakra pathway system , and by that it would disturb the chakra control of the enemy , and it would disable Sakura's CES , because CES needs a precise chakra control [
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] , and blocking chakra points would disturb the chakra control , thus disabling the CES ,and also knocks her , giving Neji the chance to land the other 62 fast and easily just like here
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besides , the purpose of blocking chakra points is to disable the enemy from using chakra , and by that disabling his Jutsus
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that's cool and all , but she simply lacks the skills to keep up with Neji , Neji is simply more skilled in hand to hand combat , she would not be able to keep blocking his fast strikes without being maneuvered , in fact , I am not really sure if she can even block his strike, and even if she did , he can still take her by a fast follow up strike(s).
he simply has faster hand movements and superior Taijutsu skills . so he can dodge her direct strikes , and strike her fast and easily
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Would blocking a Palm strike completly disrupt her whole arm area as the chakra can be sent through the pathways with a wide AOE? And with Byakugan wouldn't Neji always be aware of Sakura's posture along with seeing the moment she clenches her dominant fist along with the prior Chakra circulation giving him a Preemptive factor to anticipate and react to that second punch?
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Blaze needs to understand that the 64 Palms is essentially a one-hit attack. Once the first strike hits, the other 63 are guaranteed every time, that's why it's such a difficult Taijutsu technique to master in the first place, and hence why Naruto/Kidomaru didn't move out of the way when they were being hit. Heck, Kidomaru's chakra points weren't even being affected (meaning no pain or chakra disruption), yet the speed of the attack was STILL fast enough to trap this six-armed man and prevent him from fighting back. Yet Sakura, who would be feeling the pain of the attacks, having her chakra flow impacted, and only has two arms to fight back with would somehow counter/dodge after the first hit? Tf?
As for Sakura dodging that arm, I also don't see it as a valid speed feat to bring up in a CQC fight. Seeing and barely dodging an arm via what was most likely a body flicker from multiple meters away only to still be unable to fully dodge it plays no factor in a fist fight.
As said above, if it was possible to fight back after getting hit by the first 2 strikes, Kidomaru would have done it. He wasn't in pain, wasn't having chakra points blocked, and had SIX ARMS to help him get the job done. Yet you want to argue Sakura who is negative in all three of those aspects would be able to fight back while being jabbed by Neji. While her chakra flow is being disrupted, thus getting rid of her Super Strength. Even Hinata's split second blunder wasn't enough to allow the Mini Juubi to escape the 64 Palms. That's because it's a combo attack; it's meant to leave no room for an opening or opportunity for the enemy to fight back.
Yes, because Neji has never fought the superior Lee in Taijutsu fights, where I'm sure Lee would have attempted to block Neji's attacks, yet that never helped him. And yet Lee would lose so badly that Neji would insult him.
That's even assuming Sakura could react fast enough to block a fast jab from Neji when she failed to react to Omoi, and we know her CQC skills didn't alter in the slightest since then to the War Arc. That's also assuming her attempting to block, if even fast enough, wouldn't end in her getting a chakra point blocked. And again, if blocking the jabs was possible, the six-armed Kidomaru would have done it.
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its not just that an injured sasuke did it against bee;kurenai of all people reacted ot itachi's kick;deidara to sasuke's blitz;sai blocked sasuke's attempt to kill naruto;kakuzu was nvr blitzed by kakashi who has superior speed.
also 64 palms does not mean users speed increase to imperceptible lvl or is increased at all.
it's just that next strike is executed faster than the previous one.
user does not use some godly speed to execute it he/she uses his own speed.
no one would argue hinata's speed during 64 palms was imperceptible except the above poster who also thought hamura hinata can fly or defeat everyone.
@bold yes and him taking example of 5th gate lee and kn0 naruto is moot when sakura did react to something that was termed fast by rsm naruto.but his arguments are repetative about what 64 palms does so i am not gonna bother
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The force of her punch is because of chakra enhanced strength. Sakura's much stronger than she is fast, so her momentum was a negligible factor in comparison to actual strength. We aren't talking about a mere tap. A punch from Sakura who is running is only very slightly stronger than a punch from a stationary Sakura. The same applies to jumping.
No one can spin while in midair. I know manga logic is sometimes different but the burden of proof is on you to prove that Neji/Hyuuga/ninjas in general are an exceptional case. Dust does not matter because Neji will be in the same general position as before the punch, except in mid air, so Sakura will have no issue in finding him. Furthermore, the dust will start clearing up and if Neji ends up landing, Sakura can time another punch to the ground right when he lands which would make it impossible for him to dodge so he dies.
So Neji can cross 15 m and use vacuum palm faster than Sakura can punch the ground? I highly doubt it but I'll address that scenario later on in my post.
If Sakura's already in midair, vacuum palm does nothing except blow her away so when she lands, she punches the ground.
Itachi is not as skilled as Bee when it comes to swordplay nor did Itachi have weapons on par with what Bee can use which is why he retreated. Sharingan is useless against Bee's dance as shown by Sasuke. Though we are talking about a far inferior Neji, not Bee who was stomping Sasuke, Suigetsu and Juugo in CQC.
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so in no way is she inferior to Neji in reactions especially when her reactions are boosted even further while using Byakogou considering how it energizes her entire body. Neji's reactions are only superior if it is coming from a blindspot. If both can see each other clearly, Sakura probably reacts faster. Him having Byakugan wouldn't change a thing in that situation. If Sakura messes up Neji's footing like how
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, 64 palms execution can be delayed allowing Sakura to punch him.If Sakura messes up Neji's footing, she'll immediately go in for the kill. Good luck dodging Sakura's rush when you're still recuperating your balance.
her strike is nothing but a normal punch , but enhanced with chakra
we can say that CES increases her mass (I guess). and the physics behind a punch is...
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Momentum = mass × velocity
lets say that CES have enhanced her strength by increasing her mass , lets assume that the mass of her punch is 500 kg , but lets say that the velocity of her punch was 0 , then her momentum would be zero, and that would cause zero damage,
because momentum = impulse , if momentum = 0 , then impulse = 0
and if her velocity is 1 m/s then her momentum would be 500 .
and if her velocity is 2 m/s then her momentum would be 1000.
meaning that the slightest change in speed can cause a big difference
I can't see how a punch from Sakura who is running fast is only "very slightly" stronger than a punch from a stationary Sakura , when she needs momentum for her punch to cause damage . the more momentum she gets , the more damage that her punch can cause , and less momentum = less damage
because she simply need to apply at least a minimal force to cause damage , and she needs momentum to apply this force , her CES is not a chakra explosion ya' know
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of course , he can't keep spinning in mid air for ever , but he would be able to do so for a short while and thats all he needs to save himself
actually Neji can recat to her if she tried to punch him directly even if he was in mid air , ^ the image above proves that , besides he has the Byakugan so he would be able to detect her easily ,and why his position won't be changed exactly ?
I mean if she punched the ground , Neji would be leaping to evade the cracks (but there is no need to get away from the AOE , bcause he can save himself with Kaiten or One blow body), I just fail to see how Sakura would be able to detect him in the dust.
but Neji would be able to detect her easily with Byakugan though , and he can take her by surprise with air fist palm , because she won't see the strike coming in the dust
why not ?
as you can see here
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you can see here the distance between Neji and Gai
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and he can even use Shunshin to engage with Sakura instantly , but Sakura won't be standing still of course , she will react and evade , but the purpose of Neji engaging is to prevent Cherry Blossom impact
how would she stable herself after a strike on the head that would disrupt her balance ?
there is no need for the strike to blow her away ,I don't think that it can even blow her away because as you said if she jumped , she would gain a big momentum meaning that she would be hard to stop .
but a strike on the head would disrupt her balance and flip her in the air , meaning that the cherry blossom impact would be prevented
if Itachi was not skilled how did he managed to parry Bee's strikes ?
him managing to parry Bee's strike , is a feat in close combat skills
like... stop acting that Taijutsu skills is not a factor here , because it is , and you know it
first the bold is based on nothing , reactions and reflexes come from skills in combat
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*sigh*
how many times do I have to say that reacting to this god damn arm is not a feat in Taijutsu
just how reacting to something from a considerable distance a feat in close combat ?
you simply need to see an attack coming in order to dodge , right ? .
and she simply saw the attack coming from a 4 or 5 meters (the arm was huge), and just leaped for 2 meters , and was later on saved by Kakashi -_-
CQC is another story , just because you reacted to something detectable and from a distance , that doesn't mean that you can react to a fast strikes from the point blank
actually , no
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just read what Kidomaru said .
and if you still think that Sakura had a better reaction feats , *sigh* then I don't know what to say tbh
and also , the Byakugan can follow up with high speed movements , which allow the user to better react to them
as if they can see everything within their field of vision in slow motion , just like here
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how Sakura would be able to messes up Neji's footing while she is being stroke ?
if Two Hakke hands is landed:
>it would block two chakra points
>it would block some of the flow of chakra in the pathway system
>disrupting the chakra control
>disabling the CES , because it needs a precise chakra control
>knocks her and paralyze her , giving Neji the chance to perform the other 62 in a matter of seconds to disable her completely
simply if he landed Hakke two palms , she is finished
so how is she going to messes up Neji's footing exactly when her CES would be disabled and she would be paralyzed when she is being stroke , hmm?
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