Because we have witnessed Byakugou recover the damage inflicted to the user's internal organs completely numerous times throughout the manga.
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The body's organs are naturally entwined in the chakra system which houses these chakra points as well, so naturally most attacks that are directed at the user's internal organs would naturally sever these chakra networks and damage the tenketsu as a result. However, Byakugou has shown to alleviate this sort of damage relatively quickly as if it didn't happen, so damage towards the chakra system alone isn't much of a hindrance for Byakugou users when they have suffered greater calamities than Jyuuken.
not my point , the Jyuken does not only attack the chakra pathway system which damages the internal organs , but it is also able to block the chakra points
now we all know that the Byakugou can heal the internal damage that caused by Jyuken... somehow ,
and even if the chakra pathway system is severed that would not stop the flow of chakra , meaning that the Byakuguo user would still be able to use the chakra that is pumped from the severed network to heal , and to reattach the severed network , somehow :|
but a blocked chakra point is another story , simply because that when a chakra point is blocked , that would block the chakra flow , disabling the enemy from using his jutsus , thus it would disables Sakura's jutsus
1. Yes, because Hinata doesn't possess staggering resilience and regenerative properties nor is she hooked up to an additional reservoir of chakra injecting her with a constant flow of steroids, Sakura does, enough so that the pernicious effects inflicted by Jyuuken are negligible.
I didn't explain it very well , but my point is that Neji is simply more skilled , he can easily toy with her in hand to hand combat if she tried a direct hit , just like how he toyed with Hinata
he can easily press her chakra points before she even realizes , just like how he did with Hinata
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she simply lacks Taijutsu , how the hell would she able to land a direct hit on someone as skilled as Neji ?
Except he is. We're constantly shown via Sasuke vs. Lee and Lee vs. Kimimaro that evading attacks is more challenging than blocking attacks and Kabuto not only escaped all of her attacks, but he managed to maneuver around her completely. Because of this, he had the means of parrying and severing her muscles completely which would've eliminated her CES as was the case in the manga, but he did not do it. He needed to exploit an opening where Tsunade was most vulnerable in order to accomplish this feat. This tells us that mere taps aren't going to strip Base Tsunade let alone Byakugou users from their CES.
simply Kabuto has the speed to evade , that doesn't necessarily mean that he can maneuver and strike her , Tsunade was simply more skilled in Taijutsu than him , she has the skills to dodge and to counter , so no chance in hell that he would be able to severe her arm before she counter his attacks and blitz him
and nope , Bold is not the case here , we are speaking of Jyuken , remeber ?
Bold is irrelevant, what's relevant is that he had another, arguably more feasible method of disposing Tsunade's CES (due to chakra scalpel's higher range) yet Kabuto was hesitant of taking that approach.
actually pressing someone's arm is far easier than cutting it , simply the attacks in hand to hand combat usually needs momentum to cause damage , while the Jyuken damages with the slightest touch
and @bold , because he was simply inferior in Taijutsu.
Byakugou harnesses the power of the Yin Seal which harbors the aggregation of chakra collected for many many years. It is not contingent on the user's chakra system, it is literally derived from a separate pool of chakra that is created from the user and is constantly in use until completely exhausted. What evidence is there that would suggest otherwise?
sorry bro , but there is no clear evidence that support that .
I mean the chakra pathway system is entwined with the organs , so it makes sense that the chakra pathway system is what support the organs with chakra ,
if that was not the case ,
then from where is her source of chakra coming from ?
and how it support the organs with chakra ?,
is it the marks that warp the Byakugou user ?
is it an external source ? ,
is the yin seal and the marks that warps the user a chakra based substance ?
because if it is , then it is useless in front of the Jyuken , ask Neji about it
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if the yin seal is a chakra based substance , then all Neji needs is to poke Sakura in the forehead , lol
but I fear that is not the case , since there is no clear evidence that proves that
I know and her momentum isn't significant enough to make much of a difference. At best, there's a marginal difference which is easily compensated for by Byakugou. I'm honestly not sure why that feat was contingent upon her momentum when we're always led to believe that her chakra and finesse is the causal reason for it.
actually yes it is , I mean how can she cause impact without force ?
her CES not just going to explode from it is own , she simply needs to prepare forceful strike , the reason that she always strikes with force
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she would not simply damage with the slightest tap without the need of at least a minimal force , I think you are mistaking the CES with Jyuken
she would not be able to cause an impact like this with a tap
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let me put it as this again , more momentum = more impact , less momentum = less impact.
a direct strike from the ground without the need of jumping is not going to cause something near that magnitude , meaning that it would still be evade able for someone like Neji
At best, Neji would just be delaying the inevitable since Byakugou users have plunged through greater calamaties with an unwavering spirit. It wouldn't be enough to accomplish anything in the long-run.
Besides, there's also the chakra-to-feet tactic which would resist the force behind it completely, especially when Sakura can store copious amounts of chakra in her feet that can generate these same fissures as well.
changes nothing , since the strike was able to push back kisame even when he tried to stable himself with the sword
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you can see the sfx : zazaa , on the same panel where Kisame is trying to stable himself with the sword meaning that he was still pushed away for a short distance even after he grabbed the sword
if she tried chakra-to-feet tactic , she would still be pushed , but not blown away as Kisame was, but the the strike would still be able to disturb her giving Neji the chance to engage , and when he gets close to her , she is finished
yes... , but Neji is not really outclassed in speed here , he was able to run 50m so fast while being pierced with two holes in his body when he was 13 years old kid
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just look at the distance that the arrow covered
and you can see how he crossed all this distance while gripping his holed gut
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and his speed was 4.5 according to 3rd Databook
, and Sakura's strength can only help her to land an indirect hit like Cherry Blossom Impact , which Neji can easily evade and react to with his Byakugan
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which enabled him to react to an attacks like this
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also according to Narutopedia , the Byakugan is able to follow a high speed movements
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The Byakugan is able to follow high-speed movements, which allows the user to better react to them.[13]
just like how Neji activated his Byakugan to follow 5th gate Lee's speed
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so Sakura would not be able to take him by surprise , and if she tried cherry blossom impact , Neji can easily react , he can just jump to evade , strike her with an air fist palm , and while she is blown away , he takes this chance to engage , and when she become within the field of Hakke (8 Trigrams) ,
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it is simply over
because when he make a stance like this
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he spins so fast to strike with two Hakke palms like this
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and Sakura simply would not be able to react to it since she sucks in Taijutsu and this technique is a maneuver of the gentle fist , something similar to Omoi's kick , lol
where they made a stance like this
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and spin so fast to land two Hakke palms , and if two Hakke palms is landed the other 62 can be done as easily
yes... , but Neji is not really outclassed in speed here , he was able to run 50m so fast while being pierced with two holes in his body when he was 13 years old kid
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just look at the distance that the arrow covered
and you can see how he crossed all this distance while gripping his holed gut
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and his speed was 4.5 according to 3rd Databook
, and Sakura's strength can only help her to land an indirect hit like Cherry Blossom Impact , which Neji can easily evade and react to with his Byakugan
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which enabled him to react to an attacks like this
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also according to Narutopedia , the Byakugan is able to follow a high speed movements
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just like how Neji activated his Byakugan to follow 5th gate Lee's speed
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so Sakura would not be able to take him by surprise , and if she tried cherry blossom impact , Neji can easily react , he can just jump to evade , strike her with an air fist palm , and while she is blown away , he takes this chance to engage , and when she become within the field of Hakke (8 Trigrams) ,
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it is simply over
because when he make a stance like this
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he spins so fast to strike with two Hakke palms like this
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and Sakura simply would not be able to react to it since she sucks in Taijutsu and this technique is a maneuver of the gentle fist , something similar to Omoi's kick , lol
where they made a stance like this
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and spin so fast to land two Hakke palms , and if two Hakke palms is landed the other 62 can be done as easily
why would he touch the part imbued with chakra ? :|
I mean he can block the chakra points that are located in the arm , there is no need for him to touch her fist
Since like Tsunade she should be able to gather it in her arms
ya' know , I just want to know , what is your point exactly ? , I mean she reacted to something from 4 meters, and she just dashed , how can that help her in CQC
I mean in Taijutsu , you don't need just to move your legs fast , you also need to move your hole body as fast , take in example you need to move your head fast in order to dodge a punch in the face , you need also to move your hand fast in order to land a punch so fast before your enemy manages to dodge
it is not just footwork that matters , so how is reacting to Kaguya's arm a feat in CQC ? :dunno:
becoz to react to neji in cqc she needs the reaction and reflex which that feats grants her.No one is saying she would be able to continiously do it.She would be able to do it for only some amount of time and thats the only thing she needs to land hit on him
neji was saying how he tracked real one since it was hanging back which wasn't the case
my point is that when Hakke two hands is landed , the other 62 palms would land as easily , so Sakura can not simply react in the middle of 64 palms ,
if Hakke two palms landed on her , she is finished
and the reason that Kidomaru was not finished was because he prevented the first two Hakke palms to block his chakra points with his golden skin , ya' know , something that Sakura doesn't have
scan does not prove he couldn't focus neither does any statement from neji
why can't he strike with air fist palm while he is dashing backward ?
I mean if Sakura cracked the ground , he can just jump backward and strike her with air fist palm . and while she is blown away, he can easily engage with her via shunshin
why can't he
yes , but it is still evade able for someone like Neji , and he can easily just jump high and strike her with an air fist palm
he can even prevent her from hitting the ground in CQC with air fist palm to begin with
considering time taken by him to load chakra in his fist and then pinpoint sakura and hitting would be much harder than sakura focusing chakra and hitting the ground and you are making it sound like when retreating him focusing on striking since it would be easier for sakura to shunshin and hit him while he is retreating
your point is...
I mean she just kicked Susanoo , if she wants to smash the ground with her foot then her foot going to be within the cracks of the ground giving the chance for the enemy to strike her
just when Sakura smashed the ground that is under her here
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you can see , that her fist was within the cracks of the ground
since what you are implying has never happened in manga.the punch or kick don't make holes its impact damages the whole field sendinding parts of it flying upwards.no chance of getting stuck
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look at the size of the Juubi when she was jumping in the last pane , she jumped so high
which means that her punch have gained a lot of momentum which caused such an impact , if she tried to punch the ground directly without jumping
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it would cause a considerable impact , probably stronger since she got the 100 healing mark , but it is not going to get as strong as this
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Because she needed momentum to cause that
meaning : more momentum = more impact , less momentum = less impact ,
that was not my point , it would cause some considerable cracks , but it is still evade able for someone like Neji
I mean it is not going to get as strong as this
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well just say the strike was not enhanced by byakugou since she never released the seal.once releases the seal the final result of impact will be more or less the same considering it enhanced ohnoki's jinton to become larger than almost 25 bijuu sized susanoo
Meaning that it would still be evade able for someone like Neji , and BTW Neji can handle a strike like this with Kaiten
giant spider equals giant centipede
and that spider made up of webs was just for distraction so that neji gets hit be next attack
that was not my point , my point is , that more shadow clones increases the chances of landing a punch or a hit on an opponent , Naruto had better chances of landing a hit on Neji than Sakura imo
and the point of this post.you should read official entry rather than narutopediawritten by people.kimi destroyed all thoseclones with first dance so that makes your kage bushin point weak
A Kekkei Genkai ability of the Kaguya clan. Whoever has it may cause a virtually limitless amount of deadly power to burst forth from their body. Namely, the power of bones. Bones that change form and density at the user's discretion as they are generated, turning into weapons such as the world has never seen.
Cutting, carving, piercing, and stabbing. The osseous blades seek blood voraciously, in addition to which their numbers are limitless. As long as it doesn't tire, the body may supply this power indefinitely.
Colored by the user's aptitude for battle, the dangerous bone weapons become omnipotent, growing into the most powerful of arsenals! In short this ability, the "possibility to generate all manners of armament out of bones" holds the potential to crush down any defense.
Furthermore, using such particular features as shape and hardness alteration will make it an impregnable fortress when employed defensively. For a shinobi, the power of changing shape at will according to one's goals or to account for whatever transpires during battle, generating an infinity of ways to attack with: indeed, the power to dominate battle itself is a dream and an art form that radiates with the shine of supremacy.
Wherever Gods' Chosen, those who have embraced their gift for slaughter are found... the battlefied is always tainted red with blood.
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-The blades issued from the bone pulse create heaps of dead bodies!
-Holder of a talent that has slaughter as its one and only purpose.
-A flawless offense and defense! A deathly art that fascinates even the Devil himself.
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-The ability to manipulate osteoblasts and osteoclats,* and regulate calcium density. Thanks to this, it is possible to shape the bones to take on multiple characteristics.
-Kimimaro sublimated his power into the 5 dances. Even the great Orochimaru was in craving admiration before this gift and wished to make him his "vessel"...
-A defensive power that can endure the pressure of Gaara's "Sand Funeral". Truly an omnipotent offense and defense.
-For it was the holder of this most powerful of abilities, the clan liked to do battle. Wiped out by war, was their fate in this woven yet again by a godly design...?
*Osteoblasts and osteoclasts are respectively the cells that create and resorb bone, thus regulating the amount of bone tissue.
damn you posting certain amount of feats won't make either lee or kidomaru's attack faster than kaguya's chakra arm
only point that was made is since sakura can react to something much superior in speed than neji she would be able to keep up with him to an extent which is all she needs to land a hit.not that hard to understand
how would her strength help her in landing a direct hit in CQC ? :hmm:
same thing as chouji who overwhelms with size she overwhelms with strength
ya' know , I am really sicked of this , just stop saying that "Neji needs many hits while Sakura only needs one hit" because like I told you before , 64 palm =/= 64 hits ,
1.sakura already knows that stance so yes she would know whats incoming
2.thats nothing like omoi's kick.sakura does not have to focus on karui and leave neji for sai nor she has to worry about destroying the battlefield since there is no naruto or sai there
the 8 Trigrams 64 palm is simply a maneuver of the gentle fist , where the user performing this stance
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then simply to spin to strike with two Hakke hands , and the the other 62 palms would land as easily
sakura already knows that stance so yes she would know whats incoming.lmao You are literally pushing the whole debate like sakura is just gonna stand there and do nothing while neji hits her her or prepares to hit her
my sides are literally in space :lol
learn to read seriously
attack disables the enemy while with every sets of strike it also pushes back the enemy.if single set of strike disable the enmy it wont say this
Sixth, another thirty-two consecutive strikes in succession to make a total of sixty-four strikes. The sixth consecutive attack needs a strong step forward, because without it the technique will fail.
so..? , I mean her CES is not going explode from its own , she needs at least a minimal force to cause impact , and if Neji dodged her strike , he can take this chance to press her chakra points , and the moment her chakra points are pressed the moment her CES would be disabled , and if her CES is disabled , then her punch would be normal meaning that it can be redirected
and he can also take a chance like this to perform the 8 Trigrams 64 palms
it would be really dumb from Sakura to engage and try a direct hit
damn you posting certain amount of feats won't make either lee or kidomaru's attack faster than kaguya's chakra arm
only point that was made is since sakura can react to something much superior in speed than neji she would be able to keep up with him to an extent which is all she needs to land a hit.not that hard to understand
let me ask this question again in another context ,
how reacting to something huge that was from a considerable distance , a feat in close combat ?
she was able to react to this arm , because she detected it (I mean the arm was huge :|) , and she had a time to react
simply you need to detect a strike coming in order to dodge , and Sakura detected the hand and dodged , and it is the same reason that she didn't manage to dodge Omoi's kick , because she didn't detect it because she was focused on Karui
and the Byakugan has an amazing field of detection , and is able to detect high speed movements , the reason how Neji was able to react to Kyubi cloaked Naruto , despite being outclassed in speed ,and the reason how he reacted to high speed daggers from the point blank , so he can easily react to Sakura's heavy blows and don't forget that Neji is not outclassed in speed here , but Sakura is the one who is out classed in Taijutsu
if Sakura tried close combat she is going to be finished , because no chance in hell she would be able to land a direct hit on someone as skilled as Neji , and no chance in hell she would be able to dodge Neji's fast strikes , Neji can easily toy with her in CQC
reacting to Kaguya's arm is a feat in speed , not Taijutsu , because she simply just dashed to evade , that doesn't mean that she can move her head fast i.e to dodge a fast strike from Neji , the only thing that that feat proves that she can evade
simply let me put it like this
Neji is fast in both footwork and hand movements , and he has the Byakugan which is able to follow high speed movements , meaning that Sakura's speed is not a factor here
Sakura beats Hinata because of the speed , but hell no , not Neji , because he is also fast in both footwork and hand movement and he has much superior skills .
becoz to react to neji in cqc she needs the reaction and reflex which that feats grants her.No one is saying she would be able to continiously do it.She would be able to do it for only some amount of time and thats the only thing she needs to land hit on him
Lmao , don't tell me that you think that there is going to be a Taijutsu fight here ,
Sakura.. , a Taijutsu fight... , with Neji
bruh , Neji can easily dodge and react to her punches easily, he can easily maneuver her if she got close to him , but can she maneuver someone like Neji in Taijutsu (hand to hand combat) ?
she would just look like a newbie in Taijutsu if she tried a direct hit against someone as skilled as Neji , because he can easily dodge , the fight would be similar to Hinata vs Pain
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and no , reacting to Kaguya's arm is not a feat in Taijutsu. she had the reflexes to react to something fast but detectable and from a distance , CQC is another story
now I am not saying that she sucks at Taijutsu , but she simply lacks the skills to keep up with someone as skilled as Neji
she really needs to improve her Taijustu skills though
actually , Taijutsu skills is a bigger factor in CQC than speed :|
and @bold , Lamo please tell me that this is a joke , can Sakura fight Madara with the Gokage ? :lol
considering time taken by him to load chakra in his fist and then pinpoint sakura and hitting would be much harder than sakura focusing chakra and hitting the ground and you are making it sound like when retreating him focusing on striking since it would be easier for sakura to shunshin and hit him while he is retreating
actually , Hinata was able to prepare and to strike fast with it
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and Neji >>> Hinata , I can't see why he wouldn't be able to do so
Sakura needs to focus chakra to her fist , and she needs to strike the ground with considerable momentum , just like here
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so yeah , an air fist palm is faster than cherry blossom impact , it is like comparing an axe to a sledge hammer
and if Sakura manged to hit the ground , then Sakura's fist going to be within the cracks of the ground , giving Neji the chance to to strike her while he is evading
since what you are implying has never happened in manga.the punch or kick don't make holes its impact damages the whole field sendinding parts of it flying upwards.no chance of getting stuck
it doesn't make small cracks , but these cracks are still evade able for someone like Neji ,
he can easily jump high (I mean they are Ninjas) and strike her with air fist palm while jumping
and BTW the image doesn't work , and if you are speaking of the Juubi fission , then don't forget that that attack needed momentum , meaning that it can prevented easily if Neji hit her with an air fist palm while she is jumping , and BTW Neji can tank it with Kaiten
and a direct strike form the ground without the need of jumping is not going to cause such an impact , meaning that it would be still evade able for someone like Neji
well just say the strike was not enhanced by byakugou since she never released the seal.once releases the seal the final result of impact will be more or less the same considering it enhanced ohnoki's jinton to become larger than almost 25 bijuu sized susanoo
I was not speaking of Sakura's direct punches , Sakura's direct punches can be easily maneuvered
but I meant Kaiten would save him from the cherry blossoms impact , since a Juubi was able to tank/evade it
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now the Juubi could either :
A) tanked the strike
B) evaded the strike (maybe it was in a safe spot within the cracks)
c) was able to run 100m in an instant :| ,(which I doubt was the case here [
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and Neji has also the Byakugan so he would be able to detect the cracks of the cherry blossom impact and evade it strike Sakura with a surprise attack , just like how the Juubi took her by surprise .(he can also tank the attack (cherry blossom impact) with Kaiten )
because if Sakura performed the cherry blossom impact then there is going to be dust after the impact
and Sakura can not see through that dust to detect Neji , but Neji can thanks to the Byakugan
Sakura has herculean strength
same thing as chouji who overwhelms with size she overwhelms with strength
irrelevant , no way in hell she would be able to land a direct hit against someone as Neji , her only chance is CBI (cherry blossom impact)
which can be prevented with air fist palm or evaded via Byakugan and Neji's speed or tanked with Kaiten
since war arc Neji's Kaiten is the same size as Hiashi's Kaiten
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which means that Neji's Kaiten can be the same size as this
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Neji's Kaiten maybe not the same size exactly , in fact , it might be even bigger ,
Hiashi states when he performed this technieqe was : Ninjutsu : 3.5 , Speed : 4
while part 2 Neji's states was : Ninjutsu : 4 , Speed : 4.5
and rotation , is a Tajutsu which is a mixture between Ninjutsu and speed , I guess
because it needs a chakra control (which is a Ninjutsu skill , I guess)
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and the user needs to spin fast , which part 2 Neji is superior by both feats(Ninjutsu and speed) , so I guess that his Rotation would be bigger and more powerful than part 1 Hiashi
not my point , my point that 64 palms is a jutsu , not just a 64 hits normal with Jyuken , it is simply a maneuver of the gentle fist style , so the point "Neji needs many hits while Sakura needs on hit" is moot and completely retarded :lol
because , simply 64 palm is a jutsu , where the user can block 64 chakra points instantly , so there is no need to block the chakra points one by one
1.sakura already knows that stance so yes she would know whats incoming
changes nothing , since the moment she is caught within the field of Hakke , she would be struck instantly
my sides are literally in space :lol
learn to read seriously
attack disables the enemy while with every sets of strike it also pushes back the enemy.if single set of strike disable the enmy it wont say this
not my point , of course it is ultra moronic to say that the enemy would be disabled completely with every set of strikes , because if that was the case , then Hakke two palms is enough .
but that was not what I meant , what I meant was simply every set of strikes blocks chakra points , and if a chakra point is blocked that would disturb the chakra flow .
simply Hakke two palms would disturb the chakra giving the user the chance to land the other 62 palms easily
just like how Sakura would win if she landed a hit , Neji would win if he landed two hits
(Hakke two palms )
the 64 palms are just strikes.fast hand movements and its possible to react to them even if first 2 land as a surprise hit.Kisame landed hit on asuma[
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actually , no because if two Hakke hands is landed that would disturb the chakra flow of the enemy giving the user the chance to land the other 62 fast and easily
and Bold is irrelevant , because :
1. you are comparing a heavy sword with a Hyuga's fast hand movements
2. I don't recall Samehada being able to block the chakra points and to disturb the chakra flow
(and yes , I know that it is able to absorb chakra , but blocking chakra points is another story , because absorbing chakra does not disturb the chakra flow like how blocking chakra points does , also , doesn't Samehada absorbs chakra only if it was external )
sakura already knows that stance so yes she would know whats incoming.lmao You are literally pushing the whole debate like sakura is just gonna stand there and do nothing while neji hits her her or prepares to hit her
the user of this jutsu envisions 8 Trigrams circle with the Byakugan , meaning he would detect her and easily maneuver her , and don't forget the fact that she lacks Taijutsu , so if she got close to Neji , she is finished
Neji is not just going to stand with this stance forever ya' know , the soon that he is in this stance the moment that he strikes
Im not assuming anything , only gave u an example of how superior movements can counter inferior movements and then tried to give u a visual example of a scenario where IF She attempts her canon linear punch , how i see him countering , using Manga panels, Heck i even made it clear to u that in canon Sakura would never attempt this long before ur just now bringing it up
The Bold was wat i was saying from the start , "if". Check back my first Quote to u on the previous page and refresh ur memory.
Second Bold doesn't make sense , cannot be done and is not how CES works considering Tsunade lifting Gama's tanto but i'll deal with below.
Tsunade swiped those away with strikes lol , she wouldn't be able to repel them without swiping them away , im honestly confused with the logic here , Sakura/Tsuna dont have the ability to just release Chakra enhanced impacts from anywhere on their body without applying even minimal force or pressure with a corresponding movement , so how is she going to release Chakra out the area where Neji touches , while he's re-directing the path of a already committed attack while she'd be in the process of being carried by her own altered momentum?
For example , say someone simply has their palm on sakura's wrist joint , would she be able to release her CES through her wrist without striking or moving her arm and still be able to blast away the palm? No she'd actually need to attack , grab or make some form of offensive gesture that actually connects.
Another example is if Tsunade instead decided to block one of those fire balls , would she be capable of releasing her CES from her arm and repel it without actually striking it? No. Its the same with Neji's palm re-directing her and warding her blows.
well my bad since always thought CES was chakra explosion but now it seems likes chakra used for enhancement of strength.it is just superstrength achieved via chakra much like in case of sage mode
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but if thats the case and sakura can enhance strength of her arm i don't see how is neji redirecting it since it took sm naruto's strength with his rasengan to redirect Ei3 and sakura should be around him or above strengthwise with ces
Its not like she can just shoot CES from anywhere without attacking like this.
Its clear that Tenten was basically saying that his rotation was now perfect. She also said not a scratch which implies that he was scratched before in prior training sessions of the Tech which wouldn't make sense if he already mastered Rotation years before.
Tho i agree with wat ur saying about Chakra shield being used there since im the first and only person who ever made that observation which some people tried to shut down saying things like "Kishi forgot to draw the crater" 2 chapers before Rotation's debut among other crap , but yea Tenten clearly still meant that Kaiten and Neji's chakra/tenketsu full body control was now perfect showing that it wasn't perfect prior to that warm up much less two whole months prior. So no , it makes even less sense that he already mastered Kaiten before the Chunin exam Prelims.
well ii think tenten was talking about first stage of kaiten since not only there is no crater but when he uses it on upcoming weapons from kidmaru they were deflected to a larger distance [
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you should be able to clearly see that its a different type of re-direction exploiting a different type of attack carrying a different level of momentum than Sakura's heavy linear punch. Clearly different movements are involved all around but honestly i'v grown tired of these simple things not being seen and understood.
well np since i won't be debating on this redirection stuff untill i myself fully get concept of ces.i used to think it chakra explosion but after reading KG's post and chapter 164 seems like i was totally wrong
Neji's hand-to-hand combat is much faster and complex, so in such a situation, Neji would easily be able to divert Sakura's punches' momentum and finish her off with 64 palms. Sakura may have gained a lot of power by the Juubi Revival Arc, but her combat skills and speed have not improved since the time she was kicked by Omoi, and going off of that, I'm more than confident to say Neji's hand-to-hand combat his far, far superior. Especially considering his OBB and Rotation which can help divert her punches.
Then there's the question of whether or not the Yin Seal can actually undo chakra points being blocked, and given how we've never seen the Yin Seal do this, I'm not inclined to believe it can just because Naruto pulled it off, especially with Himawari's incident retconning that. Either that, or it may mean certain chakra points on the body can't be unblocked (maybe the 8 gates or something), and Himawari just happened to hit one of those. If so, I don't think it would be impossible for Neji pull this off as well.
However, let's say Sakura can unblock chakra points, I still find this an irrelevant point. The whole method to the 64 Palms is that, once the user lands one hit, they attack with such rapid jabs that they manage to land 64 precise strikes within a second or 2. So once Neji has blocked 64 of her points, she'll be fatigued. One has to remember that during the chunnin exams, Neji was not fighting with the intent to kill Naruto, as he was constantly telling him to forfeit (much like how he did with Hinata). If Neji was fighting with the intent to kill Naruto, he would have finished him off right after he used the 64 palms on him, as Naruto still needed actual time to form the hand seals and have kyuubi's chakra start flowing through his body to release the points, which was only made possible by Neji going easy on him. There's also the fact that War Arc Neji would be aware of the ability of sealed chakra to potentially undo chakra points, unlike with Naruto, so he would be far more wary with Sakura and not give her an oppurtunity to undo the points unlike how he did with Naruto out of ignorance. If we're assuming a blood-lusted battle here, the events of the chunnin exams will not repeat. Neji WON'T wait around like he did with Naruto and allow Sakura time to release her yin seal, and with 64 of her points blocked, she won't be able to use chakra to make some distance between them, she won'y be able to run away or smash the ground to buy time, so Neji can just inject chakra into her brain while she's momentarily had her chakra restricted and finish her off.
Then there's the issue of Katsuyu, probably the biggest problem for Neji. Neji wa shown to be able to use the Gentle Fist to blow apart Kidomaru's spider from the inside out at a rapid rate. Due to Katsuyu's strange properties, it's unknown if this would work on her or if she'd be able to separate at least some of her parts before being killed. However, considering how fast Neji pulled this attack of and considering Katsuyu would be unaware of this ability of Neji's, it may be possible for him to pull this off. However, suppose Neji can't, Katsuyu will mostly act as support, and the only thing she really can do is attempt to spit acid at Neji, which he could easily block in tandem with Sakura's punches with Rotation should they wish to double team him. Either that, or it wouldn't be impossible for him to simply avoid her attacks all while fighting Sakura.
In the end, this fight hinges a lot on speculation and assumptions. If the assumptions are in Neji's favor, I think Neji can win against Sakura w/ or w/o Katsuyu. If the assumptions are in Sakura's favor, I think she can win W/ Katsuyu at a mid/high difficulty, but will lose to Neji if it's a mere one on one due to the fact that, regardless of whether not Yin Seal can undo chakra points being closed, as Neji is faster and more skilled than her, and considering all what I said about the 64 Palms and Neji's hesitance to finish of Naruto.
Looks like we will be seeing a lot more bs like how 5 y.o tsunade is stronger than war arc sakura in strength or how hamura reincarnation hinata can defeat everyone bar madara and obito :kd:
well my bad since always thought CES was chakra explosion but now it seems likes chakra used for enhancement of strength.it is just superstrength achieved via chakra much like in case of sage mode
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but if thats the case and sakura can enhance strength of her arm i don't see how is neji redirecting it since it took sm naruto's strength with his rasengan to redirect Ei3 and sakura should be around him or above strengthwise with ces
Her CES wouldn't stop her arm from being escorted after her heavy swing. Her strength is being guided by Neji , not contested or challenged at all and since it isn't being contested then she wont overwhelm him. I'd also like to note that on contact Neji could cut the Chakra pathway connecting to her fist by touching her via his palm for the re-direction.
-Sm Naruto needed rasengan in order to forcefully re-direct Ei's arm all the way into his chest in an instant , this doesn't correlate to my premise at all.
well ii think tenten was talking about first stage of kaiten since not only there is no crater but when he uses it on upcoming weapons from kidmaru they were deflected to a larger distance [
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Lmao Tenten was talking about Kaiten , when she said 'Its Perfect" she's clearly referring to Kaiten as a whole and since Chakra shield is a integral part of the tech , it being perfect obviously still refers to Kaiten. Perfecting Chakra expulsion would clearly correlate to Kaiten , since u cant have Kaiten without it.
-Ur logic here doesn't make any sense since ur basically saying he mastered Kaiten months to years before mastering Chakra expulsion when its the fundamental part of Kaiten:lol
-Chakra expulsion being perfected only recently strongly implies that he didn't have Kaiten months before.
well np since i won't be debating on this redirection stuff untill i myself fully get concept of ces.i used to think it chakra explosion but after reading KG's post and chapter 164 seems like i was totally wrong
Neji's hand-to-hand combat is much faster and complex, so in such a situation, Neji would easily be able to divert Sakura's punches' momentum and finish her off with 64 palms. Sakura may have gained a lot of power by the Juubi Revival Arc, but her combat skills and speed have not improved since the time she was kicked by Omoi, and going off of that, I'm more than confident to say Neji's hand-to-hand combat his far, far superior. Especially considering his OBB and Rotation which can help divert her punches.
Then there's the question of whether or not the Yin Seal can actually undo chakra points being blocked, and given how we've never seen the Yin Seal do this, I'm not inclined to believe it can just because Naruto pulled it off, especially with Himawari's incident retconning that. Either that, or it may mean certain chakra points on the body can't be unblocked (maybe the 8 gates or something), and Himawari just happened to hit one of those. If so, I don't think it would be impossible for Neji pull this off as well.
However, let's say Sakura can unblock chakra points, I still find this an irrelevant point. The whole method to the 64 Palms is that, once the user lands one hit, they attack with such rapid jabs that they manage to land 64 precise strikes within a second or 2. So once Neji has blocked 64 of her points, she'll be fatigued. One has to remember that during the chunnin exams, Neji was not fighting with the intent to kill Naruto, as he was constantly telling him to forfeit (much like how he did with Hinata). If Neji was fighting with the intent to kill Naruto, he would have finished him off right after he used the 64 palms on him, as Naruto still needed actual time to form the hand seals and have kyuubi's chakra start flowing through his body to release the points, which was only made possible by Neji going easy on him. There's also the fact that War Arc Neji would be aware of the ability of sealed chakra to potentially undo chakra points, unlike with Naruto, so he would be far more wary with Sakura and not give her an oppurtunity to undo the points unlike how he did with Naruto out of ignorance. If we're assuming a blood-lusted battle here, the events of the chunnin exams will not repeat. Neji WON'T wait around like he did with Naruto and allow Sakura time to release her yin seal, and with 64 of her points blocked, she won't be able to use chakra to make some distance between them, she won'y be able to run away or smash the ground to buy time, so Neji can just inject chakra into her brain while she's momentarily had her chakra restricted and finish her off.
Then there's the issue of Katsuyu, probably the biggest problem for Neji. Neji wa shown to be able to use the Gentle Fist to blow apart Kidomaru's spider from the inside out at a rapid rate. Due to Katsuyu's strange properties, it's unknown if this would work on her or if she'd be able to separate at least some of her parts before being killed. However, considering how fast Neji pulled this attack of and considering Katsuyu would be unaware of this ability of Neji's, it may be possible for him to pull this off. However, suppose Neji can't, Katsuyu will mostly act as support, and the only thing she really can do is attempt to spit acid at Neji, which he could easily block in tandem with Sakura's punches with Rotation should they wish to double team him. Either that, or it wouldn't be impossible for him to simply avoid her attacks all while fighting Sakura.
In the end, this fight hinges a lot on speculation and assumptions. If the assumptions are in Neji's favor, I think Neji can win against Sakura w/ or w/o Katsuyu. If the assumptions are in Sakura's favor, I think she can win W/ Katsuyu at a mid/high difficulty, but will lose to Neji if it's a mere one on one due to the fact that, regardless of whether not Yin Seal can undo chakra points being closed, as Neji is faster and more skilled than her, and considering all what I said about the 64 Palms and Neji's hesitance to finish of Naruto.
actually , we all know that the chakra points does not block the chakra points forever , right ?
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meaning that the chakra points will re open due time ,
and Neji could have finished Naruto easily if he wasn't busy murmuring about the destiny
here let me post all the scans from where Neji blocked Naruto's chakra points , to where Naruto performing the seals
chapter 101 , pg 13 to pg 19
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chapter 103 , pg 2 to pg 13
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as you can see here , a lot of time had passed , it could be that some Naruto's chakra points have started to re open or something , also of course Neji is not going to wait for Sakura all that time
Her CES wouldn't stop her arm from being escorted after her heavy swing. Her strength is being guided by Neji , not contested or challenged at all and since it isn't being contested then she wont overwhelm him. I'd also like to note that on contact Neji could cut the Chakra pathway connecting to her fist by touching her via his palm for the re-direction.Its not a hard concept to understand really.
And why do you think neji won't get overwhelmed.
Nope when redirecting he will be contesting with her strength.you are not going to argue base naruto or neji would be able to redirect third or 4th raikage's punch or sm naruto's punch.Neji won't be redirecting her punch based on the fact he redirected base naruto or hinata's.Neither of them has superstrength.he will simply get overwhelmed.
and a single touch isn't cutting her chakra pathway when he needed multiple hits against hinata's to make her jyuuken ineffective.
-direct Ei's arm all the way into his chest in an instant , this doesn't correlate to my premise at all.
yes it is you are not going to argue base naruto can redirect his punch
Lmao Tenten was talking about Kaiten , when she said 'Its Perfect" she's clearly referring to Kaiten as a whole and since Chakra shield is a integral part of the tech , it being perfect obviously still refers to Kaiten. Perfecting Chakra expulsion would clearly correlate to Kaiten , since u cant have Kaiten without it.
-Ur logic here doesn't make any sense since ur basically saying he mastered Kaiten months to years before mastering Chakra expulsion when its the fundamental part of Kaiten :lol
-Chakra expulsion being perfected only recently strongly implies that he didn't have Kaiten months before.
No i am not saying he mastered kaiten.I am saying he knew it does not mean he was proficient with it.He only achieved proficiency during second phase of chunin exam after he perfected chakra expulsion.not hard to understand
one thing that I want to point out , and that is , Neji only needs to press the chakra points that are located in her arm to block the chakra flow to her fist , and by that disabling the CES in her fist , meaning that her punch would be redirect able
and he has five fingers in his hand meaning that he can block about five chakra points to block the chakra flow to her fist,
but in fact blocking one chakra point is enough to disable her CES , since CES needs a precise chakra control , and blocking chakra points disrupt the flow of chakra , meaning if Neji blocked one chakra point he would by that disturbing Sakura's chakra control thus disabling he CES for short moment , while taking this chance to redirect her punch and perform the 64 palms
and he can also press five chakra points to disable the CES completely from her fist
i was going to reply to you but you have literally repeated same thing at least 3 times in one quote smh
your whole argument is based on that sakura will not be able to hit neji becoz neji has superior taijutsu while neji would be able to hit her each and everytime he tries.he would evade sakura CBS becioz he is uhhmmm ninja
you have literally ignored everything and repeteadly claim i think 4 or 5 times that sakura won't be ale to land a single hit becoz she has inferior taijutsu.
That post is worse than your claim of neji and lee being anywhere near gai or Toneri,
if Sakura tried a direct hit against Neji , she would just be embarrassing herself
the fight would be just like Hinata vs Pain
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she simply lacks Taijustsu to keep up with someone as skilled as Neji , Neji can easily maneuver her , and the fact that he is a Jyuken user is enough to prove that a CQC with him is a "no"
i was going to reply to yoiu but you have literally repeated same thing at least 3 times in one quote smh
your whole argument is based on that sakura will not be able to hit neji becoz neji has superior taijutsu while neji would be able to hit her each and everytime he tries.he would evade sakura CBS becioz he is uhhmmm ninja
but nope , that was not my point , my point that he can jump high because he is a Ninja , and he can evade because he
1. he is a talented Ninja
2. he is fast
3. he has a Byakugan
and he can easily tank it with Kaiten
and also I was explaining why the point "that Sakura would be able to face Neji in close combat , just because she reacted to Kaguya's arm " is moot and retarded
and I have also ignored everything that is irrelevant
but you have a point , I over did it this time , umm sorry
Nope when redirecting he will be contesting with her strength.you are not going to argue base naruto or neji would be able to redirect third or 4th raikage's punch or sm naruto's punch.Neji won't be redirecting her punch based on the fact he redirected base naruto or hinata's.Neither of them has superstrength.he will simply get overwhelmed.
No because the punch would've already been evaded , all he'd be doing is tilting her arm while flowing with the momentum generated from Sakura doing a heavy linear swing. Why would simply tilting her arm not result in her arm shifting?
I said via his Palm which has a bigger AOE than jabs. A palm can cover the wrist and arm area. This would disturb the chakra being focused , but its irrlevant any.
No i am not saying he mastered kaiten.I am saying he knew it does not mean he was proficient with it.He only achieved proficiency during second phase of chunin exam after he perfected chakra expulsion.not hard to understand
Being able to even Pull OFF Kaiten without already perfecting Chakra expulsion from the whole body doesn't make sense with added emphasis placed on the perfect control of Chakra concerning Jyuken moves. He likely just started to understand the fundamentals by the Prelims , then between the 2 months began to figure out how to expel chakra from different tenketsu areas then working his way up with Tenten's help until he stopped getting scratched/touched by her weapons by being able to release Chakra from them all.
In my opinion its clear that he had to first learn and perfect the First Stage before he applied the second stage hence the stages.
Because he wont be blocking or contesting her physical power.
No because the punch would've already been evaded , all he'd be doing is tilting her arm while flowing with the momentum generated from doing a heavy linear swing. Why would simply tilting her arm not resulting in her arm shifting?
Are you saying that base neji can redirect third or 4th raikage's punch or sm naruto's punch
becoz neji simply lacks strength in comparision to them.
I said via his Palm which has a bigger AOE than jabs. A palm can cover the wrist and arm area. This would disturb the chakra being focused , but its irrlevant any.
and what do you think his base rasengan will do to third raikage when tobi and kabuto survived it and rasengan is much stronger than anything neji can throw strengthwise
Being able to even Pull OFF Kaiten without already perfecting Chakra expulsion from the whole body doesn't make sense with added emphasis placed on the perfect control of Chakra concerning Jyuken moves. He likely just started understand the fundamentals by the Prelims , then between the 2 months began to slowly figure out how to expel chakra from different areas then working his way up with Tenten's help until he stopped he scratched by Tenten's weapons.
In my opinion its clear that he had to first learn and perfect the First Stage before he applied the second stage hence the stages.
, a Taijutsu fight...
