Perspective -- Byakugan vs Sharingan

[Bakura]

Do you know specifically when Sasuke fought Lee, and if Lee ever fought against Neji? If*Lee has never fought against Neji, I can't make even the*slightest of comparison between the two. You're correct in your usage of two prodigies, however, your mistake comes from the fact Sasuke never fought Lee with three tomoe. The Sharingan at maximum potential had tracked One-Tailed Naruto with pure ease, who is far faster than Neji, which*I'm sure you agree would mean Neji would have no chance at touching Sasuke at that*point without some tactic in mind. The same follows for this scenario.

But Neji tracked a 5 gate Lee during his bout with Gaara which in terms of speed i can say 5G Lee is faster than One Tail Naruto. Sasuke still kept up with Narutos movements but noticed that his chakra cloak was acting seperatly

 

[Holy God]

But Neji tracked a 5 gate Lee during his bout with Gaara which in terms of speed i can say 5G Lee is faster than One Tail Naruto. Sasuke still kept up with Narutos movements but noticed that his chakra cloak was acting seperatly

I don't know when your referring to? Either way, if Neji isn't in the actual fight I don't see it possible for you to gauge how he'd react against Lee himself instead of simply over watching. The Byakugan doesn't offer prediction, so it'd be literally impossible for it to beat the Sharingan in this category.

 

[Nobel]

Oh? It looks like someone has been keeping themself updated recently....nice explanation of yours OP.

 

[Bakura]

I don't know when your referring to? Either way, if Neji isn't in the actual fight I don't see it possible for you to gauge how he'd react against Lee himself instead of simply over watching. The Byakugan doesn't offer prediction, so it'd be literally impossible for it to beat the Sharingan in this category.

Oh naw im not saying the Byakugan grants the user with that ability of foresight but since Neji can "Visually" keep up with 5 Gate Lee thats something 3 tomoe user cant replicate but physically reacting to such speed is a different conversation

 

[Holy God]

Oh naw im not saying the Byakugan grants the user with that ability of foresight but since Neji can "Visually" keep up with 5 Gate Lee thats something 3 tomoe user cant replicate but physically reacting to such speed is a different conversation

And how do you figure that the Sharingan would be unable to perform the same feat? I don't know how you're comparing Lee to Naruto in speed.

 

[Styles]

Oh naw im not saying the Byakugan grants the user with that ability of foresight but since Neji can "Visually" keep up with 5 Gate Lee thats something 3 tomoe user cant replicate but physically reacting to such speed is a different conversation

Uh wasn't Kakashi keeping up with 5th gate Lee with ease?

 

[Bakura]

And how do you figure that the Sharingan would be unable to perform the same feat? I don't know how you're comparing Lee to Naruto in speed.

Well its pretty easy looking back at the first fight at the Vote 3t Sasuke was easily keeping up with Naruto prior to him getting his one tail cloak...now after Naruto recieved the cloak Sasuke had a harder time to predict/perceive because the cloak itself was acting on its own in a sense... Now when Sasuke first encountered Lee he had a hard time keeping up while Lee was still in base form but Sasuke having 2 tomoe in one eye and only 1 in the other struggled adding gates to the situation wouldn't look good for Sasuke but Neji was still able to "visually" keep up with a 5 gate Lee and since the Byakugan has no other stages makes it superior to the 3 tomoe Sharingan in that aspect

 

[Bakura]

Uh wasn't Kakashi keeping up with 5th gate Lee with ease?

If not im not mistaken i think he said he couldnt track lee either hopefully someone can post the scan

 

[Holy God]

Well its pretty easy looking back at the first fight at the Vote 3t Sasuke was easily keeping up with Naruto prior to him getting his one tail cloak...now after Naruto recieved the cloak Sasuke had a harder time to predict/perceive because the cloak itself was acting on its own in a sense... Now when Sasuke first encountered Lee he had a hard time keeping up while Lee was still in base form but Sasuke having 2 tomoe in one eye and only 1 in the other struggled adding gates to the situation wouldn't look good for Sasuke but Neji was still able to "visually" keep up with a 5 gate Lee and since the Byakugan has no other stages makes it superior to the 3 tomoe Sharingan in that aspect

Kakashi, who has a Sharingan, and Guy, who is regular, were able to perceive Lee's movements fine as well when he unlocked the 4th Gate. Why do you single out Neji from all the other people that did the same thing? The 5th Gate only resulted in one move and the only comment on the speed was from someone other than Neji.

 

[Styles]

If not im not mistaken i think he said he couldnt track lee either hopefully someone can post the scan

Nah just checked the only thing Kakashi said was "he's fast" and "his muscles are tearing themselves apart" he was following Lee's speed that whole fight.

 

[Bakura]

Kakashi, who has a Sharingan, and Guy, who is regular, were able to perceive Lee's movements fine as well when he unlocked the 4th Gate. Why do you single out Neji from all the other people that did the same thing? The 5th Gate only resulted in one move and the only comment on the speed was from someone other than Neji.

But arent they both knowledgeable about the 8 gates let one of them being Lee's teacher? Kakashi was one of the few experienced users of the sharingan and had a rivalry with Guy it doesnt suprise with "his" 3 tomoe sharingan can keep up since he has experienced such speeds being Guys rival/comrade but we simply cant compare kakashi's 3t sharingan to Sasukes especially during part one

 

[Holy God]

But arent they both knowledgeable about the 8 gates let one of them being Lee's teacher? Kakashi was one of the few experienced users of the sharingan and had a rivalry with Guy it doesnt suprise with "his" 3 tomoe sharingan can keep up since he has experienced such speeds being Guys rival/comrade but we simply cant compare kakashi's 3t sharingan to Sasukes especially during part one

I'm pretty sure all the genin were following Lee too (barely) until the 5th Gate. There's also nothing really to support one Sharingan having better insight than another Sharingan, so I can't see how Kakashi and Sasuke's vision would be incomparable. I don't even think Kakashi has faced Guy unlocking any of the Gates. Guy himself can't just train his eye to be better than the Sharingan, and having knowledge that someone is fast doesn't make you any better at following them.

 

[Pyro NB]

I oppose of this "superiority" you've acclaimed in regards to the Sharingan, and here's my reasoning -- In a battle of equality the Sharingan possesses Genjutsu, whilst the Byakugan enables the use of Gentle Fist.

Now, both are capabilities a "fodder" would not possess logically, but for the sake of an argument we'll grant them such. In a battle between such shinobi I'd oppose to the Sharingan being the greater, on the pretenses;

-Byakugan grants superior Taijutsu
-Byakugan allows it's user to access sensory notions
-Byakugan nulls visual Genjutsu

The generic Uchiha pales in comparison, on the accusation: Everything thrown at the Hyuga member will -- A. Be perceived & reacted to physically due to prior statement: "access to sensory notions." -- Yes, this includes the generic Uchiha Katon they pride themselves with.

The Uchiha fodder is then forced into CQC, as a depletion of chakra would undoubteduly be the result in a constant game of "keep away." Once Taijutsu is enacted the Hyuga brings this to a closure, albeit not as easily as it sounds; as Sharingan visual precognition > Byakugan's sensory/precognition shroud.

This is both a refute to the quotes listing Sharingan being superior, and a backup claim of support to those who stated Byakugan being the superior.

~Byakugan doesn't grant gentle fist... Gentle fist was a technique created by the Hyuga utilizing the byakugan's ability to see tenketsu. If byakugan granted Gentle fist Ao and all Otsutsuki would be able to use it which is not the case.

~Also, a fodder Hyuga most likely wouldn't be from the main branch family who solely have the right to learn rotation and it's variants with the exception of Neji who taught himself do to being a prodigy. Thus limiting their ranged defensive capabilities.

~Also, to quote/paraphrase Lee just because you can see the attack doesn't mean your body can react to it meaning that a fodder Hyuga even though he could see a katon jutsu coming at him if set up correctly could possibly not be able to dodge, counter, or evade.

So like I said in my previous post it all depends on whether or not the Hyuga can enter cqc or the Uchiha keeping them at bay with will planned strategy. I know we are on the same side here essentially but I just want people to understand that this is basically a 50/50 match up and can go either way.

 

[King Of Pop]

Well its pretty easy looking back at the first fight at the Vote 3t Sasuke was easily keeping up with Naruto prior to him getting his one tail cloak...now after Naruto recieved the cloak Sasuke had a harder time to predict/perceive because the cloak itself was acting on its own in a sense... Now when Sasuke first encountered Lee he had a hard time keeping up while Lee was still in base form but Sasuke having 2 tomoe in one eye and only 1 in the other struggled adding gates to the situation wouldn't look good for Sasuke but Neji was still able to "visually" keep up with a 5 gate Lee and since the Byakugan has no other stages makes it superior to the 3 tomoe Sharingan in that aspect

you are comparing a 2t version of sasuke prior to his training with kakashi as evidence even though post kakashi training he had attained the same speed as lee thus chunnin 2t sasuke and beyond easily keeps up with base lee. hence your comparisons at bold comes to nothing.

Then there is the fact that nejis byakugan tracked 5g lee as a bystander, while sasuke was in actual combat with 1t naruto thus your assumption that his 3t wont be able to track the faster 5g lee like neji did while watching from the sides is very flawed. moving on sasuke had a harder time predicting 1T naruto because of the cloaks properties as you stated, who said neji with his byakugan would have fared better in the same situation? kno narutos speed was surprising him at the chunnins and they were shown to clash evenly, that same kno got stomped casually by 3t sasuke

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Fodder to fodder I personally think the sharingan user would win, the byakugan user has 360 vision and can see the chakra points but that says nothing about their level of gentle fist, just look at when neji and hinata fought. The fodder byakugan user will eventually have to try and hit the fodder sharingan user and this is where the sharingan has the advantage with precog(at least imo)

 

[Char Aznable]

Kishi never gave us an example of the Byakygan seeing through genjutsu, even though Byakugan can see chakra flow and pierce illusions like the Sharingan and Rinnegan. I'd say 3T Sharingan = Byakugan in terms of perception and insight, but as we know, you have to train both your body and your eyes.

With all the accessory powers that the MS can get, there's no way for the Byakugan to compete.

 

[WalksInShadows]

fodder to fodder, my money is still on the fodder Uchiha. The generic Hyuga isn't likely to be nearly as talented as Neji or a main branch member when it comes to GF, and fodder Uchiha has hype as still being a very dangerous opponent because combat is something they naturally excel at. It's like asking who would win between a generic Saiyan or a generic Namekian.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

No if we put into battle fooders that only have Sharingan and Byakugan and no others jutsus ,than Byakugan would win because :

- Sharingan genjutsu needs direct eye contact . Byakugan user can see 360 around himself so it doesn´t matter where his eyes are focused .

- Byakugan can one shot Sharingan user with gentle fist.

Hyuga have 2 kkg the byakugan and the ability to control All there control point basically perfect cc and the ability to expand chakra from them

 

[unknownvillain1254]

It takes specific training to be able to fight without making contact with the opponent. Quite irrelevant anyways, since I did not account for the Sharingan user using a visual technique.



Completely irrelevant. The Byakugan does not grant Gentle Fist. That is a technique crafted by the Hyuuga utilizing the Byakugan. The individual in this matchup is not part of the clan.

Yes for normal ninja hyuga 360 vision bypass direct eye sight

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Actually, it seems I read wrong. The original post states a generic Hyuuga against a generic Uchiha. I will assume the two have the same physical speed, strength, and reaction because of this. If we start with techniques, the Uchiha are superior in variety. They are trained to become as best as they can in the Fire Style. The Hyuuga on the other hand can only shoot chakra out of their palms (if this is common for fodder). The Hyuuga would be able to counter some basic techniques, but they'll ultimately lack in power and range. When it comes to tool usage, such as kunai, the two will be practically equal due to their eyes and training. The big topic is close-combat. You believe the Hyuuga can just instantly take out the Uchiha once they battle, but that simply isn't the case. The Hyuuga is fodder, so he won't know anything besides the fact he should hit chakra points, without any specialization like the Eight Trigrams. When two people of the same caliber are fighting, but one has the ability to predict movements, who do you think is going to win? It is completely unlikely that the Hyuuga will be able to land even a single hit, for the mere reason the Uchiha will know everything before it happens. There's really no debating this.

1.What are you talking about WHAT LACK in power.

2.a child hyuga beat a hokage one poke zero training.uchiha must know how to use his abilities first.

3.hyuga better high speed tracking the ability to sense everything with in 50 meter range cancel out pseudo predict movements,