Perspective -- Byakugan vs Sharingan

[Pretentious]

This isn't per-say an all out Uchiha vs Hyuga thread (MS/EMS/Rinnegan vs Tenseigan etc.) -- No, it simply is a comparison of which visual prowess perceives superiority over the other in a "majority scenario wins" type of discussion. This will specifically pertain to two "fodder" ninja being host of a generic III-Tomoe Sharingan & the Byakugan.

III-Tomoe Sharingan; foresight/precognition - movement mimicry/technique mimicry (excluding Hiden, KKG, & KKT abilities) - Capable of differentiating chakra by color - X-ray vision (though unable to see through chakra specifically) - Genjutsu

Byakugan; nigh 360 degree vision - foresight/minor

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- X-ray vision - Capable of discerning chakra color & seeing through chakra - Ability to see through Genjutsu, as well extending Genjutsu range (if the host is capable of Genjutsu)

It's possible I've missed several other benefits of possession regarding both dōjutsu, if so let them be known; however, overall, what would the majority vote as the superior eye if a generic "fodder" Hyuga & Uchiha were pitted against each other?

Which eye would come out on top?

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

You forget 2 important things about Byakugan :

- perfect chakra control
- Juuken

Its hard to say but I will chose Byakugan because its good not only for battle but also for other things.

 

[Holy God]

The Sharingan would be undoubtedly superior. The Sharingan and Byakugan mostly differ in that the former can predict movements and the latter can see more. In a battle between two regular ninja, the Sharingan will be of more use in this regard.

 

[Arian]

You forget 2 important things about Byakugan :

- perfect chakra control
- Juuken

Its hard to say but I will chose Byakugan because its good not only for battle but also for other things.

are those really properties of the eye itself? arent those just the result of hyuuga blood + their training in combination with the eye?

like if someone transplanted the byakugan (like that kirigakure ninja forgot his name) would they automatically have juuken and perfect chakra control as well?

i doubt that

OT: in a 1vs1 battle sharingan would be better... but in terms of ninja mission/battle with multiple oponents etc the byakugan would come in more handy.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

The Sharingan would be undoubtedly superior. The Sharingan and Byakugan mostly differ in that the former can predict movements and the latter can see more. In a battle between two regular ninja, the Sharingan will be of more use in this regard.

No if we put into battle fooders that only have Sharingan and Byakugan and no others jutsus ,than Byakugan would win because :

- Sharingan genjutsu needs direct eye contact . Byakugan user can see 360 around himself so it doesn´t matter where his eyes are focused .

- Byakugan can one shot Sharingan user with gentle fist.

 

[Holy God]

No if we put into battle fooders that only have Sharingan and Byakugan and no others jutsus ,than Byakugan would win because :

- Sharingan genjutsu needs direct eye contact . Byakugan user can see 360 around himself so it doesn´t matter where his eyes are focused .

It takes specific training to be able to fight without making contact with the opponent. Quite irrelevant anyways, since I did not account for the Sharingan user using a visual technique.

- Byakugan can one shot Sharingan user with gentle fist.

Completely irrelevant. The Byakugan does not grant Gentle Fist. That is a technique crafted by the Hyuuga utilizing the Byakugan. The individual in this matchup is not part of the clan.

 

[Styles]

You forget 2 important things about Byakugan :

- perfect chakra control
- Juuken

Its hard to say but I will chose Byakugan because its good not only for battle but also for other things.

Gentle fist is made to compliment the Byakugan you don't get it by just having it. Same as chakra control.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

It takes specific training to be able to fight without making contact with the opponent. Quite irrelevant anyways, since I did not account for the Sharingan user using a visual technique.



Completely irrelevant. The Byakugan does not grant Gentle Fist. That is a technique crafted by the Hyuuga utilizing the Byakugan. The individual in this matchup is not part of the clan.

I agree with you about gentle fist part. Now what you said about fighting without eye contact is true for normal persons but for Byakugan users it doesn´t even matter . They have 360 field of vision regardless where their eyes are focused.

Now how exactly did you conclude Sharingan wins ? What Sharingan ability gives him the win.

Ability to see chakra - irrelevant in this battle
Ability to copy jutsu - irrelevant in this battle because it takes time to actually master it.
Ability to predict - useful but whe don´t know how skilled person with Sharingan is. What if his body can not react like with Lee and Sasuke scenario.
Ability to cast genjutsu - completely counterd by byakugan

So none of those give Sharingan user any reason to claim he wins.

 

[Exaar]

Not wise to ask a question like that on this forum.

Uchiha fanboys on this forum are rampant, You'll just end up with a flame thread.

 

[Holy God]

I agree with you about gentle fist part. Now what you said about fighting without eye contact is true for normal persons but for Byakugan users it doesn´t even matter . They have 360 field of vision regardless where their eyes are focused.

Now how exactly did you conclude Sharingan wins ? What Sharingan ability gives him the win.

Ability to see chakra - irrelevant in this battle
Ability to copy jutsu - irrelevant in this battle because it takes time to actually master it.
Ability to predict - useful but whe don´t know how skilled person with Sharingan is. What if his body can not react like with Lee and Sasuke scenario.
Ability to cast genjutsu - completely counterd by byakugan

So none of those give Sharingan user any reason to claim he wins.

Actually, it seems I read wrong. The original post states a generic Hyuuga against a generic Uchiha. I will assume the two have the same physical speed, strength, and reaction because of this. If we start with techniques, the Uchiha are superior in variety. They are trained to become as best as they can in the Fire Style. The Hyuuga on the other hand can only shoot chakra out of their palms (if this is common for fodder). The Hyuuga would be able to counter some basic techniques, but they'll ultimately lack in power and range. When it comes to tool usage, such as kunai, the two will be practically equal due to their eyes and training. The big topic is close-combat. You believe the Hyuuga can just instantly take out the Uchiha once they battle, but that simply isn't the case. The Hyuuga is fodder, so he won't know anything besides the fact he should hit chakra points, without any specialization like the Eight Trigrams. When two people of the same caliber are fighting, but one has the ability to predict movements, who do you think is going to win? It is completely unlikely that the Hyuuga will be able to land even a single hit, for the mere reason the Uchiha will know everything before it happens. There's really no debating this.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Actually, it seems I read wrong. The original post states a generic Hyuuga against a generic Uchiha. I will assume the two have the same physical speed, strength, and reaction because of this. If we start with techniques, the Uchiha are superior in variety. They are trained to become as best as they can in the Fire Style. The Hyuuga on the other hand can only shoot chakra out of their palms (if this is common for fodder). The Hyuuga would be able to counter some basic techniques, but they'll ultimately lack in power and range. When it comes to tool usage, such as kunai, the two will be practically equal due to their eyes and training. The big topic is close-combat. You believe the Hyuuga can just instantly take out the Uchiha once they battle, but that simply isn't the case. The Hyuuga is fodder, so he won't know anything besides the fact he should hit chakra points, without any specialization like the Eight Trigrams. When two people of the same caliber are fighting, but one has the ability to predict movements, who do you think is going to win? It is completely unlikely that the Hyuuga will be able to land even a single hit, for the mere reason the Uchiha will know everything before it happens. There's really no debating this.

I mostly agree with you but the part I disagree is close combat. You may ask why ?Its because its clearly shown in manga that close combat is their speciality.

Another proof is this (I am only refering to close combat) :

Neji - Hyuga prodige
Sasuke - Uchiha prodige

Rock Lee humiliated Sasuke in close combat when they first meet. And that was same Lee who couldn´t do sh1t against Neji his whole life.

Its simple Hyuga has better skills in close combat and ability to one shot his opponent .

To be honest without curse mark Sasuke would not have a chance against Neji.But curse mark is not Sharingan related.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Does the byakugan user have gentle fist? If no then proabably the sharingan user if yes then I go with the byakugan user.

 

[VVolfVVarrior]

Best thing for Hyuuga is to close his eyes and use byakugan to still see. Sharingan genjutsu owned.

 

[Pretentious]

The Byakugan user is initially a "fodder" or per-say, but as we've seen canonically Hinata in Pt.1 who was if anything the pinnacle of "fodder" for a less better term of use, it's safe to presume general Hyuga are capable/known Gentle Fist thus, a "fodder" Hyuga is capable of.

My beliefs however, are that the Hyuga regardless of Gentle Fist utterly triumph against the Sharingan user in the aspect of Taijutsu -- Whilst Genjutsu from the Sharingan is rendered ineffective through Byakugan's finesse perception, allowing its user to access enough visual efficiency to depict reality from illusion (i.e. realize he/she's in a Genjutsu, then break it).

I heavily side with the Hyuga here, though this is a discussion of perspective, and it'd be nice to hear from both sides.

 

[SeveN797]

Byakugan for scouting/recon/tracking/intel etc stuff, Sharingan for actual fight. Also Sharingan equals Byakugan in some of the categories I mentioned earlier, since finding your target is just the 1st step and lets say you need to get informations from it, and here's where sharingan genjutsu comes in handy.

About the a "generic fodder Hyuga & Uchiha fight" that's really hard to predict, since both of those doujutsu just enchantes your taijutsu capabilities and in the end it would come down to individual skill and their actual taijutsu skills.

BTW. all that Neji/Sasuke/Lee comparisons in P1 was with 2T Sasuke and once he got 3T at the end of P1 and just like we saw in through all P2, it was over for Byakugan. Without any new "levels" and jutsu's it couldn't stay relevant.

 

[NarutoX28]

The 3T Sharingan is inherently superior given that it's endowed with tremendous clairvoyance that is unprecedented for any Byakugan user, but on the contrary, the Byakugou is easily superior due to its greater insight, yielding the ability to discern objects beyond just chakra color and perception that isn't limited to linear objects. In some situations such as Sasori's Satetsu, it'd be more beneficial to enter the situation with the Byakugan given that this Dojutsu is compared to a sensory's perception, enabling it to react to techniques more efficiently from every single angle as opposed to what's seen in front of you. The Byakugan is tailored to analyzing objects moving irregularly compared to the Sharingan even though the Sharingan's perception is more refined when reacting to high-speed objects moving in a linear fashion.

 

[Pyro NB]

I'm going to reply the same way I do to all the other threads like this. I'm a Hyuga fan yes, the sharingan has better eyes in terms of abilities yes, but if two low ranking shinobi fought one Uchiha and one Hyuga the outcome of that battle would greatly depend on the skills of those two individuals. They both can perceive fast movement, sharingan has precognition but even if the Uchiha dodges strikes the Hyuga can still hit them by releasing chakra from other tenketsu. Sharingan utilizes visual genjutsu but the Hyuga have no need to look into the eyes of their opponent to see them. This fight would really depend on whether or not the Hyuga can get into close range vs the Uchiha be able to keep his distance and take down his opponent with ninjutsu and strategy.

 

[Bakura]

Through pure perspective the byakugan wins here one could say the hyuuga are naturally talented through the use of their doujutsu since we never seen a hyuuga clan member "awaken" the byakugan

 

[Pretentious]

Byakugan for scouting/recon/tracking/intel etc stuff, Sharingan for actual fight. Also Sharingan equals Byakugan in some of the categories I mentioned earlier, since finding your target is just the 1st step and lets say you need to get informations from it, and here's where sharingan genjutsu comes in handy.

About the a "generic fodder Hyuga & Uchiha fight" that's really hard to predict, since both of those doujutsu just enchantes your taijutsu capabilities and in the end it would come down to individual skill and their actual taijutsu skills.

BTW. all that Neji/Sasuke/Lee comparisons in P1 was with 2T Sasuke and once he got 3T at the end of P1 and just like we saw in through all P2, it was over for Byakugan. Without any new "levels" and jutsu's it couldn't stay relevant.

The 3T Sharingan is inherently superior given that it's endowed with tremendous clairvoyance that is unprecedented for any Byakugan user, but on the contrary, the Byakugou is easily superior due to its greater insight, yielding the ability to discern objects beyond just chakra color and perception that isn't limited to linear objects. In some situations such as Sasori's Satetsu, it'd be more beneficial to enter the situation with the Byakugan given that this Dojutsu is compared to a sensory's perception, enabling it to react to techniques more efficiently from every single angle as opposed to what's seen in front of you. The Byakugan is tailored to analyzing objects moving irregularly compared to the Sharingan even though the Sharingan's perception is more refined when reacting to high-speed objects moving in a linear fashion.

I'm going to reply the same way I do to all the other threads like this. I'm a Hyuga fan yes, the sharingan has better eyes in terms of abilities yes, but if two low ranking shinobi fought one Uchiha and one Hyuga the outcome of that battle would greatly depend on the skills of those two individuals. They both can perceive fast movement, sharingan has precognition but even if the Uchiha dodges strikes the Hyuga can still hit them by releasing chakra from other tenketsu. Sharingan utilizes visual genjutsu but the Hyuga have no need to look into the eyes of their opponent to see them. This fight would really depend on whether or not the Hyuga can get into close range vs the Uchiha be able to keep his distance and take down his opponent with ninjutsu and strategy.

Through pure perspective the byakugan wins here one could say the hyuuga are naturally talented through the use of their doujutsu since we never seen a hyuuga clan member "awaken" the byakugan

I oppose of this "superiority" you've acclaimed in regards to the Sharingan, and here's my reasoning -- In a battle of equality the Sharingan possesses Genjutsu, whilst the Byakugan enables the use of Gentle Fist.

Now, both are capabilities a "fodder" would not possess logically, but for the sake of an argument we'll grant them such. In a battle between such shinobi I'd oppose to the Sharingan being the greater, on the pretenses;

-Byakugan grants superior Taijutsu
-Byakugan allows it's user to access sensory notions
-Byakugan nulls visual Genjutsu

The generic Uchiha pales in comparison, on the accusation: Everything thrown at the Hyuga member will -- A. Be perceived & reacted to physically due to prior statement: "access to sensory notions." -- Yes, this includes the generic Uchiha Katon they pride themselves with.

The Uchiha fodder is then forced into CQC, as a depletion of chakra would undoubteduly be the result in a constant game of "keep away." Once Taijutsu is enacted the Hyuga brings this to a closure, albeit not as easily as it sounds; as Sharingan visual precognition > Byakugan's sensory/precognition shroud.

This is both a refute to the quotes listing Sharingan being superior, and a backup claim of support to those who stated Byakugan being the superior.

 

[Holy God]

I mostly agree with you but the part I disagree is close combat. You may ask why ?Its because its clearly shown in manga that close combat is their speciality.

Another proof is this (I am only refering to close combat) :

Neji - Hyuga prodige
Sasuke - Uchiha prodige

Rock Lee humiliated Sasuke in close combat when they first meet. And that was same Lee who couldn´t do sh1t against Neji his whole life.

Its simple Hyuga has better skills in close combat and ability to one shot his opponent .

To be honest without curse mark Sasuke would not have a chance against Neji.But curse mark is not Sharingan related.

Do you know specifically when Sasuke fought Lee, and if Lee ever fought against Neji? If*Lee has never fought against Neji, I can't make even the*slightest of comparison between the two. You're correct in your usage of two prodigies, however, your mistake comes from the fact Sasuke never fought Lee with three tomoe. The Sharingan at maximum potential had tracked One-Tailed Naruto with pure ease, who is far faster than Neji, which*I'm sure you agree would mean Neji would have no chance at touching Sasuke at that*point without some tactic in mind. The same follows for this scenario.