Come back to me when you understand basic physics such as pressure. Kirin has higher damage potential because it's more powerful pound for pound, but Tenpenchii evidently contains greater energy and power, but it's scattered everywhere which limits its damage potential.
Do not try to circumnavigate my argument by arbitrarily throwing around evidence in regardless to blast radius when I've already provided an explanation that already disputed your logic.
Lol again with this potential crap, how can you say that it can make more damage when there is nothing alse to back up your claims? it destroyed a mountain Nothing else! it din't even made made a damned crater in it. Yet you keep saying that it can do more damage because simply you think it can?Just no.
If only kirin was shown to damage someone who was shown to tank an attack of grater scale then it would mean that kirin had greater attack potency but small AOT But it literally din't because it doesn't shows any feat of it.
Meanwhwile naruto's rasenshuriken was shown greater AOT in pain arc and potency since it damaged kurama.
Now unless you have feats to back up your potency statement then i don't really see anymore reason to keep up with this debate bud...uttahere:
It didn't leave a damn crater because it was busy pulverizing an entire mountain.
Are you literally this dense? Provide me feats of it destroying an entire mountain instantaneously or gtfo.
Next thing you're going to tell me is that C0 is stronger than FRS because it has a significantly larger blast radius yet weaker at the same time because it hardly left a crater. Very atrocious and flawed logic. :bdpf:
Those guys are professionals at what they do unlike you and the rest here spouting your shiity assumptions. These calcs are made by major uber nerds who waste hours of their life doing stuff like that,so it's legit. Even the highest calc I've seen for Kirin comes out at 36 mgt which is still below frs. Its no contest.
If NB used calcs for their arguments,it would make this place a whole lot better and less retarded.
FFS man does someone pay you in nickels for wasting hours on these "professional" calculations? And you even failed at doing it right. The only calc you can do right are the number of piss bottles you filled last year sitting in your basement, you nerd.
Come back to me when you understand basic physics such as pressure. Kirin has higher damage potential because it's more powerful pound for pound, but Tenpenchii evidently contains greater energy and power, but it's scattered everywhere which limits its damage potential.
Do not try to circumnavigate my argument by arbitrarily throwing around evidence in regardless to blast radius when I've already provided an explanation that already disputed your logic.
If its so damn powerfull as you are fanfictioning about then why not pulverize an entire mountain AND leave a crater like the others attacks have been doing? such as biju dama, tenpenchi,etc? Oh wait...
Are you literally this dense? Provide me feats of it destroying an entire mountain instantaneously or gtfo.
>Provided feats of rasenhsuriken having AOT gratter then a mountain *ignores
>provides feats of kurama (who tanked mountain busters attacks) getting damaged by rasenshuriken *ignores
Yep, i am realy wasting my time.
Next thing you're going to tell me is that C0 is stronger than FRS because it has a significantly larger blast radius yet weaker at the same time because it hardly left a crater. Very atrocious and flawed logic. :bdpf:
Still no feats to back up your "potential" BS huh? thats is all needed to stop taking you seriously :bdpf:
If its so damn powerfull as you are fanfictioning about then why not pulverize an entire mountain AND leave a crater like the others attacks have been doing? such as biju dama, tenpenchi,etc? Oh wait...
An enfeebled KCM Naruto withstood Tenpenchii while Itachi's V3 Susano'o was decimated by Kirin. This is something I explicitly mentioned, but you seemed to ignore it. The only reason why Tenpenchii left a crater was due to superior energy output, something that I had mentioned previously, but Kirin has superior damage potential via feats (as in, stronger pound for pound).
I never stated that it was as strong as a Bijuudama, this is something you fabricated for inexplicable and presumably, horrendous reasons.
>Provided feats of rasenhsuriken having AOT gratter then a mountain *ignores
>provides feats of kurama (who tanked mountain busters attacks) getting damaged by rasenshuriken *ignores
Yep, i am realy wasting my time.
Compare C0 to the 50% FRS Naruto initially produced. C0's blast radius is significantly larger yet the crater is abysmal in comparison to the crater that 50% FRS leaves behind. It's obvious that there is no correlation between blast radius and the size of the crater left behind, so you're literally fallaciously presenting information that contradicts itself.
Provide me feats of FRS pulverizing an entire mountain whilst decimating a V3 Susano'o or gtfo. Don't even present the Kurama scan where you deliberately distorted the manga and analyzed the situation injudiciously.
Tenpechii energy is much spread out hence it didnt do shit to fodders with just v1 cloaks nor did it even scratch madaras skeletal soosano whereas kirin took out itachis. due to that tenpechii having a far wider aoe means nothing for that argument.
Frs is far stronger than kirin. kirin calc comes out at 11 megatons while frs is 53megatons and 1000 meters wide. these are generally accepted calcs,end of story...
=God Of NarutoBase;21114623]Those guys are professionals at what they do unlike you and the rest here spouting your shiity assumptions. These calcs are made by major uber nerds who waste hours of their life doing stuff like that,so it's legit. Even the highest calc I've seen for Kirin comes out at 36 mgt which is still below frs. Its no contest.
Tenpechii energy is much spread out hence it didnt do shit to fodders with just v1 cloaks nor did it even scratch madaras skeletal soosano whereas kirin took out itachis showing. due to that tenpechii having a far wider aoe means nothing for that argument.
Jutsu being stronger is subjective when it's these two.
Both techniques have different aspects and basing which one is stronger off a mountain busting feat isn't fair.
Ash bone probably cant 1 shot a mountain but it can one shot a fully powered Perfect Susanoo and Rikudo enhanced beings.
In the event that both techniques were to clash I would put my money on a Sage chakra infused Wind release technique negating or beating a lightning release technique.
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Both are S-Rank/Offensive.
If this was a high level Fire release jutsu i'd put that above one that uses wind release, regardless of sage chakra if the jutsu is strong enough in feats.
1: It is natural lightning. It has no chakra for a futon tech made out of chakra to cut. It lies outside the laws of chakra cycle.
2: A concentrated and focused Raiton is stronger than Futon and has more penetrative power than it. Focused and Concentrated Raiton > Futon > Regular Raiton.
Underline- In what scene was naruto using kurama's chakra?
Bold-What? So sasuke can infect the clouds with CM now?where do you come up with this sort of rubish?:lol
There is no inconcistency in this the reason why naruto had that much sage chakra was becouse he was standing still and gathering NE in the real world.
At first he went sage mode on kurama and only trowed one rasenshuriken then he turned back to normal, the second time he entered sage mode again and only throwed 1 rasenshurikens and spammed chou odama rasengans.
He's got "naturally" infused kyuubi chakra from the seal his father made making it so his chakra reserves are passively bolstered by kyuubi.. so that isn't just Naruto's and NE.
as far as infecting clouds i meant producing the same effect as his corrupt chidori and i also never said he can but there should be a potential change in nature if he were to pull the tech off in CM. he'd just be applying and redirecting the same corrupt energy. either way just personal speculation and maybe even fanfic. still stands lightening>wind so its no matter to me.
plus m'Lord Crow solos both & all and that's all tht matters lol
1: It is natural lightning. It lies outside the laws of chakra cycle.
2: A concentrated and focused Raiton is stronger than Futon and has more penetrative power than it. Focused and Concentrated Raiton > Futon > Regular Raiton.
1. FRS is utilizes Sage Chakra which is a combination of Natural Energy and the User's own chakra. It doesn't lie outside the Natural laws of the chakra cycle as it's classification is a jutsu. Even if it was outside the boundaries of the chakra cycle. If Kirin was a Katon tech. I'm pretty sure A sage enhanced Suuton of the same level would negate it.
2. FRS is concentrated and Focused as well. Based off the Rasengan and Bijuu Bomb, the chakra requires concentration and density.
Concentrated Raiton is in the end, still Raiton. And Fuuton fundamentally counters if the techniques are of the same degree. Which they are.
The only reason Chidori and Rasengan offset each other is because it's a giant ball of chakra. There's no rock paper scissors game there.
If Rasengan or FRS was doton i'd get laughably destroyed by Kirin and chidori.
Both Kirin and FRS have their strengths and weaknesses. One being better than the other depends on the circumstances. In an event they collided. I'm positive what happened at VOTE 2 would occur.
If you want to argue how Kirin doesn't apply to the Chakra cycle despite the Manga, Databook, and factual proof due to your preconceived notions. Then be my guess. I don't want to argue this anymore.
Fuuton Rasenshuriken gets hard countered by Amaterasu anyway. A well placed Enton bolt would send it flying back into Naruto's face, if not, break it or make Sasuke's Amaterasu stronger.
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Literally went right through it
I don't see the problem which Kirin being inferior in a collision with something that counters it naturally.
That's like being mad that Fire can get put out by water.
FFS man does someone pay you in nickels for wasting hours on these "professional" calculations? And you even failed at doing it right. The only calc you can do right are the number of piss bottles you filled last year sitting in your basement, you nerd.
An enfeebled KCM Naruto withstood Tenpenchii while Itachi's V3 Susano'o was decimated by Kirin. This is something I explicitly mentioned, but you seemed to ignore it. The only reason why Tenpenchii left a crater was due to superior energy output, something that I had mentioned previously, but Kirin has superior damage potential via feats (as in, stronger pound for pound).
And? he tanked he was bleeding there's no part in the manga where kmc naruto was hurt through the manga by any attack of lower magnitude.
And also on the part of the shinobi alliance, there is no way to tell how much power they received from naruto through their tails but is obvious it boosted them exponentially to the point where hinata was able to overpower the juubi's hands/tails and send him agains't a mountain while in his second state.
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And the juubi in his first state was shown to throw back a bijubomb with the flick of his finger!
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And lol at the itach's part comparing the susanoo of each user as of equal durability? lol thats like comparing sasuke's perfect susanoo with madara's even through one has already shown bigger feats then the other. Madara had EMS,rinnegan and hashirama's dna who made his chakra far more stronger, putting him with the same dude who is about to die and only had MS is complete stupidity.
speaking of another MS user if you faps continue to use this stupid logic then i guess danzo had a jutsu that is far more stronger then tenpenchi since he was able to damage V3 MS sasuke susanoo, something that the juubi's tenpenchi wasn't able to do to madara's V3 susanoo :lol.
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I never stated that it was as strong as a Bijuudama, this is something you fabricated for inexplicable and presumably, horrendous reasons.
You were making it seem like it was the case with the "potential" bs.
speaking of witch kurama is capable of tanking his own standard biju-dama, thats pretty obvious
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Even worse is that it tanked inside his own stomach without taking any damage! Witch is far worse then taking from the outside.
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Yet what does it happen when he gets hit by naruto sage rasenshuriken?
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An external attack from rasenshuriken ends up e mobilizing him.
Sage mode rasenshuriken>>standard biju dama>>>kirin
I didn't ignore it, I acknowledged and stated that the explosion wasn't condensed which limits the strength of the jutsu.
Did you not heard what i just said about the futon rasenshuriken variating from attack? And also the time where naruto hit kurama and able to damage him was also condensed, let me show you another type of futon rasenshuriken.
take an look again at the juubi's tails who was able to tank a biju-dama at along with countless shinobi's while enhanced by kurama's chakra (just like hinata).
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literally no damage yet what happens when a rasenhuiken from naruto hits him
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it doesn't just slices one but two of his tails!
inb4 you people try to argue that what cut the tails was the bird chakra looking thing.
Look at naruto before it had cutted the tails, he had two rasenshurikens on his hand.
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Yet a scan latter just after they cut the tails naruto was shown to have only one rasenshuriken left in his hand while the other is gone.
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implaying that what cut the tails was realy his rasenshuriken while a bijudama, temari's and her squad wind jutsu along with hyugas member and samurai to failed damage or even cut him down.
A rasenshuriken did more damge despite it doesn't showed as much or any range as a bijudama.
like i said the attack variates it can be condensed or it can spread.
Your argument was invalidated the moment you argued that Oodama Rasengan was a mountain buster attack.
Many misconceptions that I'm addressing yet you choose to ignore it with the pretense of wanking your fave.
Oh realy now? because i remember about having the manga stating that kurama tails can destroy easily an mountain.
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And it was backed up by feats where naruto used kurama tails to swing back 5 mountains buster biju-damas.
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Yet what happens when naruto hits kurama with an chou-odama rasengan, bigger then jiraya's who is the one stated to destroy a mountain?
Kurama uses not one, not two but three tails to defend again'st the attack :lol
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Databook aproves
Manga aproves
So be quiet already.
Compare C0 to the 50% FRS Naruto initially produced. C0's blast radius is significantly larger yet the crater is abysmal in comparison to the crater that 50% FRS leaves behind. It's obvious that there is no correlation between blast radius and the size of the crater left behind, so you're literally fallaciously presenting information that contradicts itself.
I was implaying the Sage mode rasenhsuriken he used on pain arc not the initial one.
Provide me feats of FRS pulverizing an entire mountain whilst decimating a V3 Susano'o or gtfo. Don't even present the Kurama scan where you deliberately distorted the manga and analyzed the situation injudiciously.
Plus for point 1. Yamato's reasoning for Fuuton techs being weak to katon techs is because of how natural fire is strengthened by nautral wind that says the elemental weaknesses can apply to anything not just chakra infused ninjutsu. So kirin is at a disadvantage against the fuuton.
1. FRS is utilizes Sage Chakra which is a combination of Natural Energy and the User's own chakra. It doesn't lie outside the Natural laws of the chakra cycle as it's classification is a jutsu. Even if it was outside the boundaries of the chakra cycle. If Kirin was a Katon tech. I'm pretty sure A sage enhanced Suuton of the same level would negate it.
2. FRS is concentrated and Focused as well. Based off the Rasengan and Bijuu Bomb, the chakra requires concentration and density.
Concentrated Raiton is in the end, still Raiton. And Fuuton fundamentally counters if the techniques are of the same degree. Which they are.
The only reason Chidori and Rasengan offset each other is because it's a giant ball of chakra. There's no rock paper scissors game there.
If Rasengan or FRS was doton i'd get laughably destroyed by Kirin and chidori.
1: How does that work? Natural Energy is molded with regular chakra to create Senjutsu. That enhances Futon or any other tech Naruto uses. Are you telling me that raw-Lightning is made up of Natural Energy? Take a step back and reconsider it.
2: A focused Raiton is superior than a concentrated Futon. It has more penetrative quality. That is what the manga states, so that's what goes.
What you said at the end has no co-relation to what I stated. Fact remains, Kirin laws outside the bounds of this rock, paper and scissor game, and concentrated Raiton is a superior to Futon of equal caliber. That's all there is to it.
1: How does that work? Natural Energy is molded with regular chakra to create Senjutsu. That enhances Futon or any other tech Naruto uses. Are you telling me that raw-Lightning is made up of Natural Energy? Take a step back and reconsider it.
2: A focused Raiton is superior than a concentrated Futon. It has more penetrative quality. That is what the manga states, so that's what goes.
What you said at the end has no co-relation to what I stated. Fact remains, Kirin laws outside the bounds of this rock, paper and scissor game, and concentrated Raiton is a superior to Futon of equal caliber. That's all there is to it.
1. It's naturally occurring. It's the same as when Kakashi used Water Dragon Vs Zabuza using the lake as a source of water. High level users can use elemental jutsu without the source being nearby. If one were to use Katon in that instance, would Katon literally have no effect? That's incorrect, It would.
Doton based jutsu utilizes the earth which undoubtedly contains Nature Energy. ( I don't believe the manga has anyone using doton without using the earth. Unless you count things like Lava release.)
Suiton Based jutsu can be used from your chakra alone or using bodies of water which contain Nature energy
And so forth...
The point being whether or not it has Natural Energy is irrelevant as it would require Sage Mode in order to bring it out.
Kirin is unique as it calls upon Natural occurring lightning (with prep), requires little chakra to control it and is incredibly fast and damaging.
But in the end it still gets countered because it is a element and that's the laws of the manga.
2. Even if the raiton is focused both jutsu are of the same rank. So despite that, it's going against something that counters it elementally. How focused did you think Indra's arrow was? And what happened to that?
Even in the event that it doesn't outright nullify it. It's guaranteed to dampen it considerably. If you still have anything else to say, re-read the chapters mentioning affinities and how chakra, nature energy, and elemental release works.
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