The misconceptions about Tsunade's reaction speed

[Melanin]

Tsunade is the rawest shinobi, only comparable to her disciple Sakura.

They neg any other kunochi.

 

[Jhin]

Tsunade has impressive feats.

 

[shelke]

Good grief, the entire tools' debater squad is here. This was bound to get shitty. You have my sympathies, Red Robin.

:kd:

 

[King Of Pop]

She may not be "so slow" per say but her movement/reaction speed is absolutely nothing special. her attacking in tangem with Ay doesnt mean equal reactions, poor logic

 

[Sagebee]

I linked my evidence to what I was talking about. Tsunade's reaction speed in comparison with Ay. Sakura and Tsunade have a similar move sets yes but they have their own individual feats so something about one doesnt prove the same for the other.

None of the scans show any speed feats

 

[UnknownJin]

i care about her

 

[Reboryushon]

On the grand picture of it all she is nothing but a fodder.

 

[NarutoX28]

You blundered the moment you attempted to argue that Base Tsunade rivaled Minato in reaction speed.

 

[Icelerate]

You blundered the moment you attempted to argue that Base Tsunade rivaled Minato in reaction speed.

You've made that blunder yourself.

 

[KidGamer65]

Raikage is hyped for being fast even in Base, is hyped for having Minato like reflexes yet we have this guy at it again, overrating Tsunade under the false pretense of her being hated on or her being underrated severely. Arguing that Tsunade, the one with a 3.5 speed stat and absolutely zero speed related hype in the Manga has reflexes on par with Ay's, and overall speed far surpassing that of Base Ay while using Byakugo despte Ay and everyone on par and even people below his level (Gai, Kakashi, Sasuke, Naruto in certain modes, Itachi etc) having speed feat that take a fat steamy dump on whatever lackluster nonsense RedRobin and any other Tsunade fan can pull from their rear end.

But nope. "Tsunade is that fast because I said so"

*Sigh*

 

[~Ethereal~]

She was always considered strong, not fast.

 

[NarutoX28]

You've made that blunder yourself.

I vaguely recall boasting how Byakugou Tsunade was more reflexive than Minato, not Base Tsunade.

But that was in my Minato-hating days when I ignorantly believed Young Bee could react to him with ease. :bdpf:

 

[Icelerate]

I can show you many scans of two people who aren't as fast as each other striking and acting at the same time. It's terrible logic. Just like you saying she outsped Base Ay in Byakugo Mode even though you don't see Ay attempt to make a move to counter.



Oh I agree. She's definitely not slow when it comes to reaction speed. 3.5 isn't even slow, it's just not super fast, not to mention she has Byakugo to increase all her stats.

Also DB speed stat reflects movement and reaction speed, so 3.5 could easily be because her movement speed drags her down a bit.

Do you think Tsunade is relatively slower due to being very old (in her real form)? Age impacts speed obviously so a younger Tsunade would probably receive a higher score than 3.5 IMO.

 

[RedRobin]

Raikage is hyped for being fast even in Base, is hyped for having Minato like reflexes yet we have this guy at it again, overrating Tsunade under the false pretense of her being hated on or her being underrated severely. Arguing that Tsunade, the one with a 3.5 speed stat and absolutely zero speed related hype in the Manga has reflexes on par with Ay's, and overall speed far surpassing that of Base Ay while using Byakugo despte Ay and everyone on par and even people below his level (Gai, Kakashi, Sasuke, Naruto in certain modes, Itachi etc) having speed feat that take a fat steamy dump on whatever lackluster nonsense RedRobin and any other Tsunade fan can pull from their rear end.

But nope. "Tsunade is that fast because I said so"

*Sigh*

Except she doesnt have a 3.5 speed stat, maybe she did 4 years before Kishi wrote more for her character but at this point its not relevant. But please do show me how she that 3.5 speed stat makes sense with her war arc performance.

Its funny how you "agreed" that byakugo would act like a chakra cloaks in this manga and increase all her stats but she would still not be able to outspeed Base Ay. LOL Please go on about this false pretense. Only reigning more true in this thread.

As if the Byakugo, the thing which pushed her body to the point where she could move without her spine being fully healed, powered something like Super Jinton wouldnt allow Tsunade to accomplish such feats. Right so byakugo does act like a cloak however it really doesnt increase her base stats in the slightest.

Tsunade was hyped to be an expert CQC fighter she would need tip top reaction speed for that which is why it makes perfect sense. But again the manga clearly shows her reacting on par with base Ay so this doesnt need to be discussed further.

 

[NarutoX28]

Do you think Tsunade is relatively slower due to being very old (in her real form)? Age impacts speed obviously so a younger Tsunade would probably receive a higher score than 3.5 IMO.

Only issue is that the Yin Seal impedes the aging process significantly by forcibly increasing her vitality, so her body declining due to atrophy is highly unlikely.

 

[NarutoX28]

Except she doesnt have a 3.5 speed stat, maybe she did 4 years before Kishi wrote more for her character but at this point its not relevant. But please do show me how she that 3.5 speed stat makes sense with her war arc performance.

While the 3.5 speed stat isn't necessarily relevant, I wouldn't consider it a frivolous argument hardly worth considering. Even though I agree that it's not a decisive piece of evidence given how outdated that feat is, there's still some significance to it given that Kishimoto at one point illustrated that Tsunade's not an incredible speedster, meaning that even though she evidently improved, Kishimoto just envisioned her as not being an extraordinary speedster.

She's still a reactive fighter, but arguing that Base Tsunade is as reactive as Minato is a little bizarre.

 

[RedRobin]

While the 3.5 speed stat isn't necessarily relevant, I wouldn't consider it a frivolous argument hardly worth considering. Even though I agree that it's not a decisive piece of evidence given how outdated that feat is, there's still some significance to it given that Kishimoto at one point illustrated that Tsunade's not an incredible speedster, meaning that even though she evidently improved, Kishimoto just envisioned her as not being an extraordinary speedster.

She's still a reactive fighter, but arguing that Base Tsunade is as reactive as Minato is a little bizarre.

Extraordinary speedster would mean she has fast foot speed. I am not saying she is an extraordinary speedster. She does however have fast reactions based on her war arc performance.

I also didnt say she is as reactive as Minato. She is on par with Ay who is hyped to be on par with Minato but whether he is or not is not relevant as Tsunade is as reactive as Ay.

Why is it bizarre? Was she not the fastest one out to block Madara's incoming attack after Mei couldnt counter it?

 

[NarutoX28]

Extraordinary speedster would mean she has fast foot speed. I am not saying she is an extraordinary speedster. She does however have fast reactions based on her war arc performance.

I also didnt say she is as reactive as Minato. She is on par with Ay who is hyped to be on par with Minato but whether he is or not is not relevant as Tsunade is as reactive as Ay.

Why is it bizarre? Was she not the fastest one out to block Madara's incoming attack after Mei couldnt counter it?

Speed is comprised of both movement speed and reaction speed, so Kishimoto giving her a 3.5 at the time could suggest that Kishimoto never intended on giving her elite movement speed and reactions.

No, but that argument was implicit. Base Raikage's reaction speed is similar to Minato's, so since Tsunade demonstrated similar reaction speed to Base Raikage, her reflexes are therefore, noted to be as fast Minato's which is a bizarre idea for anyone to digest. This literally jeopardized the cogency of your argument and it doesn't matter what scan you decide to present to us because at the end of the day, your argument is catered to the audience and everything has to sound realistic. Base Tsunade being Minato's equal in reaction speed is not realistic.

I'm not sure if you're trying to deceive me here, but that was Byakugou Tsunade, not Base Tsunade who I was overtly referring to.

 

[KidGamer65]

Do you think Tsunade is relatively slower due to being very old (in her real form)? Age impacts speed obviously so a younger Tsunade would probably receive a higher score than 3.5 IMO.

Possibly, but like NarutoX28 said her Yin Seal transforms her body so she can maintain a youthful appearance. Age

Except she doesnt have a 3.5 speed stat, maybe she did 4 years before Kishi wrote more for her character but at this point its not relevant. But please do show me how she that 3.5 speed stat makes sense with her war arc performance.

Its funny how you "agreed" that byakugo would act like a chakra cloaks in this manga and increase all her stats but she would still not be able to outspeed Base Ay. LOL Please go on about this false pretense. Only reigning more true in this thread.

As if the Byakugo, the thing which pushed her body to the point where she could move without her spine being fully healed, powered something like Super Jinton wouldnt allow Tsunade to accomplish such feats. Right so byakugo does act like a cloak however it really doesnt increase her base stats in the slightest.

Tsunade was hyped to be an expert CQC fighter she would need tip top reaction speed for that which is why it makes perfect sense. But again the manga clearly shows her reacting on par with base Ay so this doesnt need to be discussed further.

So basically the speed stat didn't change because you didn't want it to? Lmao. Makes a lot of sense. 4 yrs is irrelevant. Her war arc performance is also irrelevant because Byakugo enhances her, thus what she did isn't representative of a 3.5 speed stat. Show me the performance that gives Tsunade in Base above a 3.5 and we'll talk. I agreed that Byakugo increased her stats, not that Byakugo will push someone who has only above average speed to being on par with top tier speedsters like Ay, who has reactions on par with the Yellow ****ing Flash himself in Base. Again, you argue with poor logic under the false pretense that Tsunade is hated on by everyone on this forum when in reality you are just mad that we don't worship a fictional character like you do.

How does Tsunade being strong in CQC mean that she needs to have tip top reaction speed? Hiruzen even in Old Age scored a perfect Taijutsu score yet his speed is only a 3. Tsunade is amazing in CQC because she has super strength, is super durable, and is very very

Also nobody ever said she is slow. Not being on Ay's level doesn't mean she's not slow so get that thought out of your head. That's your Tsunade fanboy defense mechanism kicking into overdrive, thinking that everything someone says to oppose you is to slander your favorite drawing.

"Byakugo pushes Base Tsunade to above Base Ay level" says RedRobin.

"Based on what?" "Tsunade getting a boost doesn't mean that said boost automatically puts her above Ay's level in speed" Says KG.

"Cuz Byakugo so amazing and I love tsunade so very much" says RedRobin.


K bro. Address the arguments or do us both a favor and abandon this garbage thread.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao. Unless you think Tsunade is faster than V2 Ay she didn't outspeed Base Ay in that instance as he didn't try to do a thing. That's a fact. Dancing around it won't make it vanish from reality.