[VS] Nagato vs. Gokage

[Zexion~]

Ay can still bust through Ribcage and damage Sasuke w/o Onoki.

So Nagato won't tank that either.

Couldn't V2 Lariat do that as well?

How exactly do you think Naraka path works when within Nagato himself?

 

[KidGamer65]

Couldn't V2 Lariat do that as well?

How exactly do you think Naraka path works when within Nagato himself?

Probably not considering Samehada absorbed a lot of the impact from said blow, but that could also mean that Samehada is just that durable along with Kisame's body. Says nothing about Nagato's ability to tank it because we know for a fact that Asura, his greatest armor, isn't as durable as Susanoo as Choza and Raikiri wrecked it, and V2 Ay's hits>>>those attacks.

Nagato creates the King of Hell just like Naraka Path does and then he enters it and he can heal his injuries.

 

[Zexion~]

Probably not considering Samehada absorbed a lot of the impact from said blow, but that could also mean that Samehada is just that durable along with Kisame's body. Says nothing about Nagato's ability to tank it because we know for a fact that Asura, his greatest armor, isn't as durable as Susanoo as Choza and Raikiri wrecked it, and V2 Ay's hits>>>those attacks.

Nagato creates the King of Hell just like Naraka Path does and then he enters it and he can heal his injuries.

Aha, so you have to know that with Asura his body can be mangled, destroyed (as it was still functioning after chouza and raikiri) and the KoH simply has to drag him in with its tongue. Doesn't Nagato also decide who see's it as well? So he can have it up the entire fight just waiting lol honestly it sounds kind of broken.

 

[KidGamer65]

Aha, so you have to know that with Asura his body can be mangled, destroyed (as it was still functioning after chouza and raikiri) and the KoH simply has to drag him in with its tongue. Doesn't Nagato also decide who see's it as well? So he can have it up the entire fight just waiting lol honestly it sounds kind of broken.

Asura can only be fixed after being wrecked because it's a dead body, so as long as the body is in good shape it can be controlled. Nagato is alive, so fixing his body doesn't mean he comes back to life if Ay's strike kills him. And King of Hell is only invisible when it's being used for interrogation.

 

[Zexion~]

Asura can only be fixed after being wrecked because it's a dead body, so as long as the body is in good shape it can be controlled. Nagato is alive, so fixing his body doesn't mean he comes back to life if Ay's strike kills him. And King of Hell is only invisible when it's being used for interrogation.

I suppose that is true yeah, however he has shown that Asura effects his living body as well. I feel his body could be mangled a bit and retain life as its Asura's abilities that let his body get in that position.

Doesn't that mean it needn't be visible until it starts trying to revive someone?

 

[KidGamer65]

I suppose that is true yeah, however he has shown that Asura effects his living body as well. I feel his body could be mangled a bit and retain life as its Asura's abilities that let his body get in that position.

Doesn't that mean it needn't be visible until it starts trying to revive someone?

Nope. It's the fact that Asura is a dead body manipulated by chakra. He may be summoning armor onto himself or transforming his limbs to armor and stuff like that but he's still a living human so if some things are damaged he'll die.

Whether it needs to or not doesn't matter. When he's interrogating it's invisible until you are being killed by it. In every other case it's visible 100% of the time.

 

[Beans2]

Rocket repulsion boots + Deva path equals flight meaning they're speed blitz is useless animals summons can be used to stall.

Nagato high diff.

You never learn do you?

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[Zexion~]

Nope. It's the fact that Asura is a dead body manipulated by chakra. He may be summoning armor onto himself or transforming his limbs to armor and stuff like that but he's still a living human so if some things are damaged he'll die.

Whether it needs to or not doesn't matter. When he's interrogating it's invisible until you are being killed by it. In every other case it's visible 100% of the time.

Nothing says he can't alter his body to lessen the damage done.

Clearly its invisible at that time because he wants it to be invisible, so he doesn't make it visible until he needs it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nothing says he can't alter his body to lessen the damage done.

Clearly its invisible at that time because he wants it to be invisible, so he doesn't make it visible until he needs it.

Like I just said, what you are saying makes no sense because the property that lessens damage taken is durability. The property that lets Asura move even with heavy damage is the fact that it's a dead body. Nagato is not a dead body nor is he durable enough to survive a hit from someone who can rip through Susanoo.

No, it's invisible at that time because that is how the jutsu works. When he calls it to revive something it appears visible to all and then he walks into it and comes out fixed. :lol When he calls it for interrogation it's invisible to everyone except the people being interrogated. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[Zexion~]

Like I just said, what you are saying makes no sense because the property that lessens damage taken is durability. The property that lets Asura move even with heavy damage is the fact that it's a dead body. Nagato is not a dead body nor is he durable enough to survive a hit from someone who can rip through Susanoo.

No, it's invisible at that time because that is how the jutsu works. When he calls it to revive something it appears visible to all and then he walks into it and comes out fixed. :lol When he calls it for interrogation it's invisible to everyone except the people being interrogated. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And I'm saying he can alter his body around so he remains alive after taking hits, he doesn't need to move as KoH can revive him without him moving into the mouth himself.

Thats a lame way of looking at it, whatever the case he calls it into being in whatever way makes it invisible, and since it only is visible when its reviving something it doesn't become seen until it needs to revive him.

 

[KidGamer65]

And I'm saying he can alter his body around so he remains alive after taking hits, he doesn't need to move as KoH can revive him without him moving into the mouth himself.

Thats a lame way of looking at it, whatever the case he calls it into being in whatever way makes it invisible, and since it only is visible when its reviving something it doesn't become seen until it needs to revive him.

Except what you are saying doesn't make sense because Asura summons armor, it doesn't change the vital points in his body which is the only way he'll survive a hit from ay.

That's exactly what was shown in the Manga so what you think of the matter is irrelevant. When it's summoned normally anyone can see it. When it's summoned for interrogation only those being interrogated can be seen. Don't make assumptions based on nothing when the Manga is literally a click away.

 

[KidGamer65]

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[Zexion~]

Except what you are saying doesn't make sense because Asura summons armor, it doesn't change the vital points in his body which is the only way he'll survive a hit from ay.

That's exactly what was shown in the Manga so what you think of the matter is irrelevant. When it's summoned normally anyone can see it. When it's summoned for interrogation only those being interrogated can be seen. Don't make assumptions based on nothing when the Manga is literally a click away.

A dangerous armored weapon that holds the repulsive wish for a person's blood!

One of Rikudo's techniques where arms/weapons are summoned (w/ Kuchiyose) make ones own body into a weapon. To toy with the enemy through the usage of Taijutsu normally humanly impossible one can disgustingly change their shape at will. The enemy suffers a certain death blow. Summoning (again Kuchiyose) unknown bombardment weapons that have yet to be manufactured in the Ninja World, in order to cope with the opponent, different weapons are equipped to match the enemies flow during battle.

Arms increase, a fierce attack that pressures the enemy. A godsend to take advantage of the chink in the enemies armor through the use of various tactics.

Change their shape at will?


Seeing as its a summon it should be able to function on its own, so it should still be invisible until he needs to be revived.

 

[KidGamer65]

Change their shape at will?


Seeing as its a summon it should be able to function on its own, so it should still be invisible until he needs to be revived.

Their shape, not the location and presence of their internal organs. Come on.

No. Like the scan above shows. It's visible when summoned for anything bar interrogation.

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How is what you are saying any different from what the Manga shows even if what you are saying was right in the first place? :lol.

 

[Zexion~]

Their shape, not the location and presence of their internal organs. Come on.

Usually one comes with the other.

No. Like the scan above shows. It's visible when summoned for anything bar interrogation.

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How is what you are saying any different from what the Manga shows even if what you are saying was right in the first place? :lol.

So you're saying that opponents wouldn't see it until it needs to revive Nagato, Correct?

 

[KidGamer65]

Usually one comes with the other.



So you're saying that opponents wouldn't see it until it needs to revive Nagato, Correct?

No, creating more limbs doesn't do anything to his internal organs.

This is what I'm saying:

1. Nagato calls it.
2. It's visible.
3. Nagato steps into it.
4. Comes out.
5. He's fixed.

What you are saying is obviously different because saying "it won't be visible till it needs to heal someone" implies that it's already on the battlefield waiting to become visible, which is false.

At the end of the day the result is the same so why you keep on saying this in contest to my take on the matter is mind boggling. :lol

 

[Apêx1]

What about;

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Since he completely negated any impact with the absorption of Bee's shroud, he should also be able to completely negate the impact of Ay's attack by absorbing it.

 

[RedRobin]

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Since he completely negated any impact with the absorption of Bee's shroud, he should also be able to completely negate the impact of Ay's attack by absorbing it.

Thats whats they are arguing about. Preta only absorbs chakra not impacts so he would simply turn a v2 lariat into a base lariat.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Nagato loses. His entire arsenal is negated His only option is Chou Shinra Tensei. Which there is still no solid proof he can do it on a whim.

Thats whats they are arguing about. Preta only absorbs chakra not impacts so he would simply turn a v2 lariat into a base lariat.

That would be tanked as well right? It's like Killer bee hit him with as base lariat if we go by this logic. Nothing puts base Raikage lariat above base Bee lariat. Since we already seen that chakra shroud or V1 Bee lariat overpower v1 Raikages.

 

[Zexion~]

No, creating more limbs doesn't do anything to his internal organs.

This is what I'm saying:

1. Nagato calls it.
2. It's visible.
3. Nagato steps into it.
4. Comes out.
5. He's fixed.

What you are saying is obviously different because saying "it won't be visible till it needs to heal someone" implies that it's already on the battlefield waiting to become visible, which is false.

At the end of the day the result is the same so why you keep on saying this in contest to my take on the matter is mind boggling. :lol

Bruh

it doesn't HAVE to be interrogating someone at that exact moment for it not to be seen

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so if he summons it at the start of a match and it can't be seen, its there for healing him when he himself cant instigate the healing. Its one creature so don't say he has to re-summon it for healing.