[Discussion] Kaido is not the strongest character.

[TRE MERCER]

Its not "painfully obvious." It seems the only reason you think Big Mom is the weakest is because she is female.

Na she's the weakest because it's obvious. Kaido hype>Big Mom. BB is obviously going to be stronger than Big Mom since he's going to be the final villain. Shanks hype>Big Mom.

WB must be really dumb to try to stab an admiral logia without haki. If WB could've just tossed Kuzan aside, he would've done instead of standing there having to be saved by Jozu.

Never said he would toss Kuzan aside i said he would toss his bisento aside thus getting out of the way of the Ice spikes.

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t was infact a sneak attack. If you are talking about the anime then stop as I don't use non-canon material. Akainu didn't even turn around or change expression as the sneak attack happened that quick. If you acutally think a half dead WB would've killed Akainu then you contradict yourself. That means Old half dead WB could kill Kaido, Shanks, Garp or BB in that situation.

It happened that way in the Manga as well[

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]. Akainu was aware of WB he wasn't completely blind sided. LOL WB Killing Akainu does not mean he could kill Emperors. Why? Kaido>Akainu Shanks>Akainu Garp>Akainu etc.

Oda himself said that WB didn't lose any power because of his illness. Only his reflexes were affected. It was stated in databook and before you say anything, its also where Oda revealed the names of the WB pirates and its 100% canon.

Prime WB>Marineford WB. Any male Yonko beats Marineford WB. Nuff said.

 

[LBeezy]

And none of those reasons are valid. The only reason is that he puts up a front that he hasn't become weaker because he doesn't want his enemies to look down on him. That reason is no longer valid because:

1. Several people noted WB was sick and old before then, meaning there was no reason for him to keep up that charade since it was already known to his enemies

All of which is already known to his enemies, yes. But none of which were caused by his enemies.
Being sick and old was life.

2. He admitted to himself and to others that he was old, sick, and dying. So he no longer had any reason to hide that he had weakened with age because he knew he was going to die, and die honorably with his legacy intact.

I agree. What you're saying here is of course correct. But it has nothing to do with someone attacking him.

That's the point that I don't think you're getting.

It's not about WB being honest or telling a lie. The big picture is his character, and the fact that in front of his enemies he's not going to act out and voice how things are effecting him. It's rare for a lot of characters to say "damn that attack hurt" or "damn you got me!" or "shit this is going to be bad" etc. Etc. If that character is indeed the leader or boss or captain for a whole bunch of other fighters on the battlefield of a very important war.

Like you said, everyone knew he was old and sickly.. that doesn't mean WB needs to cry or whine after he's attacked. He's not that type of character, and your scan earlier clearly adds to my point.

3. He was having a heart to heart with his crew. The final heart to heart he'd ever have. And the crew was already aware of his sickness, so he'd have no reason to put up a charade for them. We see him dropping an aspect of his tough guy persona when he tells Ace that he has no use for emotional words, and then asked him an emotional question anyways. Whitebeard didn't care about being tough, he cared about having a heart to heart with his crew.

There are far more context clues towards it being genuine than the one, faulty one of your imagination that he was fronting.

@bold Says who? You?

And yet you say I know nothing about WhiteBeard..

This honestly seems to me like we're reading the same story but getting two different vibes from Oda's portrayal of WB. Which is fine.. there's nothing wrong with that. What were debating about isn't written in black and white anywhere in the manga so it's completely up to the readers own interpretation anyway.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

I dont think he was on Whitebeards level but Only time will tell.

 

[Punk Hazard]

All of which is already known to his enemies, yes. But none of which were caused by his enemies.
Being sick and old was life.

Except that didn't matter to Whitebeard before. He wasn't upset that Marco wanted his enemies to think he was hurt by enemies, he was upset that they wanted him to admit to his enemies that he was sick and old by publicly wearing his medical equipment.

So by admitting in public that he was going to die due to his age, he let go of that bravado.

he's not going to act out and voice how things are effecting him.

Such a stupid thing to say about the scene where he's voicing how his age is affecting him.

It's rare for a lot of characters to say "damn that attack hurt" or "damn you got me!" or "shit this is going to be bad" etc. Etc. If that character is indeed the leader or boss or captain for a whole bunch of other fighters on the battlefield of a very important war.

They'd have no reason to say that out loud, yes. But when they're talking to their crew and bearing their hearts, this no longer applies. If WB didn't want to admit Squard's stab hurt when it really did, he would have simply not mentioned it at all.

Like you said, everyone knew he was old and sickly.. that doesn't mean WB needs to cry or whine after he's attacked. He's not that type of character, and your scan earlier clearly adds to my point.

@bold Says who? You?

Nope, says Whitebeard. Before, he kept the tough guy exterior up by refusing to show his sickness and his age. If WB acted tough by hiding his sickness from his enemies, and then admits that he's sick in front of his enemies, then he has dropped his attempt to appear tough. It's not rocket science.

And yet you say I know nothing about WhiteBeard..

I said you know less than Marco, but you probably don't know shit after all, since you think that Whitebeard doing the opposite of when he was trying to appear tough is still him trying to appear tough.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Na she's the weakest because it's obvious. Kaido hype>Big Mom. BB is obviously going to be stronger than Big Mom since he's going to be the final villain. Shanks hype>Big Mom.


Never said he would toss Kuzan aside i said he would toss his bisento aside thus getting out of the way of the Ice spikes.

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It happened that way in the Manga as well[

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]. Akainu was aware of WB he wasn't completely blind sided. LOL WB Killing Akainu does not mean he could kill Emperors. Why? Kaido>Akainu Shanks>Akainu Garp>Akainu etc.


Prime WB>Marineford WB. Any male Yonko beats Marineford WB. Nuff said.

"I'm right your wrong."
"Everything I say is obvious & true."
"I don't provide counter arguments. I just assume & claims I'm right"

Its my fault for expecting something decent from you of all people.

 

[LBeezy]

Except that didn't matter to Whitebeard before. He wasn't upset that Marco wanted his enemies to think he was hurt by enemies, he was upset that they wanted him to admit to his enemies that he was sick and old by publicly wearing his medical equipment.

So by admitting in public that he was going to die due to his age, he let go of that bravado.



Such a stupid thing to say about the scene where he's voicing how his age is affecting him.



They'd have no reason to say that out loud, yes. But when they're talking to their crew and bearing their hearts, this no longer applies. If WB didn't want to admit Squard's stab hurt when it really did, he would have simply not mentioned it at all.




Nope, says Whitebeard. Before, he kept the tough guy exterior up by refusing to show his sickness and his age. If WB acted tough by hiding his sickness from his enemies, and then admits that he's sick in front of his enemies, then he has dropped his attempt to appear tough. It's not rocket science.


I said you know less than Marco, but you probably don't know shit after all, since you think that Whitebeard doing the opposite of when he was trying to appear tough is still him trying to appear tough.

Thank you Vandenre1ch, for lending me this quote as a perfect response to riker.

"I'm right your wrong."
"Everything I say is obvious & true."
"I don't provide counter arguments. I just assume & claims I'm right"

Its my fault for expecting something decent from you of all people.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Thank you Vandenre1ch, for lending me this quote as a perfect response to riker.

Copping out instead of debunking what I say like I did yours? I'll take the concession.

 

[LBeezy]

Copping out instead of debunking what I say like I did yours? I'll take the concession.

You still can't debunk what was posted pages ago..

 

[Punk Hazard]

You still can't debunk what was posted pages ago..

I did your last post. Still waiting to see you try.

 

[ToshiZO]

You still can't debunk what was posted pages ago..

Right now the L in LBeezy really be standing out.

ok toshi makes a lot of sense he only did tank a billion other attacks but i guess those dont count, i guess when oda made a whole page saying how much he tanked which didnt include all of akainus punches and a few other attacks, it meant that WB was fodder and can't tank shit. illness/heart attacks dont mean you cant tank but hey that might be too complex to understand I feel you.

Lmfao sorry but if you drop infront of an Admiral level opponent wide open to an attack, you aren't winning the fight. Those stats look cool and all, but the guy is dead for a reason.

He's not winning a downward battle in a 1v1 against any top tier worth a dime. Soon as he gets a heart attack = goodbye to his chances of winning. The top tiers capitalize, and this time with no plot on WB's side. He takes major hits, and fights a losing battle even if he survives.

Now take this L, with Beezy, and move along quietly. This one you can never get right, flaunting Sengoku's hype filled words about WB being a solar system buster is not going to save you.

 

[LBeezy]

Right now the L in LBeezy really be standing out.





Lmfao sorry but if you drop infront of an Admiral level opponent wide open to an attack, you aren't winning the fight. Those stats look cool and all, but the guy is dead for a reason.

He's not winning a downward battle in a 1v1 against any top tier worth a dime. Soon as he gets a heart attack = goodbye to his chances of winning. The top tiers capitalize, and this time with no plot on WB's side. He takes major hits, and fights a losing battle even if he survives.

Now take this L, with Beezy, and move along quietly. This one you can never get right, flaunting Sengoku's hype filled words about WB being a solar system buster is not going to save you.

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