[VS] Cracker vs Sanji / Zorro

[Love Cook]

You mean this?

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The only thing you keep crying about is Pica can't be this high, nya nya instead of actually showing arguments for why he couldn't be this high simply because you don't want him to be this high, that's all. Manga scaling says otherwise however, so you can continue to cry me a river for all you want


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You dense motherfucker the entire argument is about the dumb manga scaling you use. you can't measure it like that. Oda draws in a perspective in which he thinks his panels look good. He doesn't take the architectural accuracy into account when he draws a map of the island. You can't say the island is this big, this circle is this big, boom Pica is 5.4KM tall because I've measured it. Makes no sense.

the argument is common sense. just imagine in you tiny peanut brain how high 13.5 WTC's must be. If the moon had balls it would be scraping over the top of that tower so high in the air would that be. 5.4 KM is 3.3 miles that is 2/3 of the peak of mount fudging Everest. And yet you claim that Pica is just casually standing in a small town on a small island with his 5 KM high body. It's insane. He is so far up in the air he should have a toupet of permafrost.

For the love of god man, look at it. How can you keep telling yourself that he is 13.5 times this, look at the scale of everything. Look at the guy in the boat and look how tiny he is already:

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There is no proof because there is no way to calculate it. But this is so painfully clear that it just pains me that you don't understand. If you would present your crooked math anywhere else besides a manga forum you would be a fraud for tempering with numbers and fabricating your own outcomes. Here you just brush it off with naahhh you're an idiot. Pica is 13.5 times a WTC tower, I don't care if that makes no sense.

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[LBeezy]

They were parrying each other's blows evenly.

Yes, humiliated. Fujitora had him on a knee breathing hard with one attack and he didn't even break a sweat. I like how you still haven't pointed out where I said Wada>Pica.

How is that being "humiliated", but getting your leg (your primary offense and defense for fighting) cracked not?

 

[Punk Hazard]

How is that being "humiliated", but getting your leg (your primary offense and defense for fighting) cracked not?

Might have something to do with Sanji not being anywhere close to full strength, which puts his clash with Vergo at inconclusive at best, while Zoro had nothing going against him when Fujitora absolutely overwhelmed him

 

[LBeezy]

Might have something to do with Sanji not being anywhere close to full strength, which puts his clash with Vergo at inconclusive at best, while Zoro had nothing going against him when Fujitora absolutely overwhelmed him

Okay I can at least see your logic behind that.. but just for the record, I don't think Sanji or Zoro were humiliated in these scenarios..

 

[Bogard]

You dense motherfucker the entire argument is about the dumb manga scaling you use. you can't measure it like that. Oda draws in a perspective in which he thinks his panels look good. He doesn't take the architectural accuracy into account when he draws a map of the island. You can't say the island is this big, this circle is this big, boom Pica is 5.4KM tall because I've measured it. Makes no sense.

the argument is common sense. just imagine in you tiny peanut brain how high 13.5 WTC's must be. If the moon had balls it would be scraping over the top of that tower so high in the air would that be. 5.4 KM is 3.3 miles that is 2/3 of the peak of mount fudging Everest. And yet you claim that Pica is just casually standing in a small town on a small island with his 5 KM high body. It's insane. He is so far up in the air he should have a toupet of permafrost.

For the love of god man, look at it. How can you keep telling yourself that he is 13.5 times this, look at the scale of everything. Look at the guy in the boat and look how tiny he is already:

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There is no proof because there is no way to calculate it. But this is so painfully clear that it just pains me that you don't understand. If you would present your crooked math anywhere else besides a manga forum you would be a fraud for tempering with numbers and fabricating your own outcomes. Here you just brush it off with naahhh you're an idiot. Pica is 13.5 times a WTC tower, I don't care if that makes no sense.

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You can keep spamming that shit for all i care. Only thing i care about is substance in arguments something you obviously lacks

The highest tower there is roughly 415m, which are 20times the size of 4-5story buildings at best. You want to know how 4-5 story buildings(or 20 of them even) look on Pica? Like ****ing gnat dude

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So as mentioned not only you are ****ing stupid but don't know what you're talking about

 

[Love Cook]

You can keep spamming that shit for all i care. Only thing i care about is substance in arguments something you obviously lacks

The highest tower there is roughly 415m, which are 20times the size of 4-5story buildings at best. You want to know how 4-5 story buildings(or 20 of them even) look on Pica? Like ****ing gnat dude

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So as mentioned not only you are ****ing stupid but don't know what you're talking about

Those buildings on his arm are for show. Decoration made by Oda to emphasize he is made up out of parts from the town.

If he is still standing in a town he is largely made up by, how can there only be a small chunk missing. How can he be standing in the middle of it ?

I told you a million times, the perspective is off and Oda draws what looks good not what looks accurate.

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Second panel on the left. He is not that far behind those 3 story buildings in the foreground. Those should look like "****ing gnat" right ? .... dude

 

[Punk Hazard]

Those buildings on his arm are for show. Decoration made by Oda to emphasize he is made up out of parts from the town.

If he is still standing in a town he is largely made up by, how can there only be a small chunk missing. How can he be standing in the middle of it ?

I told you a million times, the perspective is off and Oda draws what looks good not what looks accurate.

I can't believe he's using those buildings for scale when Cavendish's horse looks bigger than the doors of those buildings in that same scan.

 

[Bogard]

Those buildings on his arm are for show. Decoration made by Oda to emphasize he is made up out of parts from the town.

If he is still standing in a town he is largely made up by, how can there only be a small chunk missing. How can he be standing in the middle of it ?

I told you a million times, the perspective is off and Oda draws what looks good not what looks accurate.

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Second panel on the left. He is not that far behind those 3 story buildings in the foreground. Those should look like "****ing gnat" right ? .... dude

And the excuses continue. You clearly need understand the definition of an outlook perspective. If you and an object are located on the same plan, the farther away an object is from the position you take a picture from, the smaller the object will look on the camera. That's basic understanding, but hey i guess this girl is almost as big as the Eiffel tower right?

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Or look at the down perspective from this picture

Wow this guy's head is bigger than eiffel tower

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Stupid enough? Only when 2 objects are in the same plan as well as in the same position that it's possible to accurately rate the size of objects from a view perspective

 

[Punk Hazard]

And the excuses continue. You clearly need understand the definition of an outlook perspective. If you and an object are located on the same plan, the farther away an object is from the position you take a picture from, the smaller the object will look on the camera. That's basic understanding, but hey i guess this girl is almost as big as the Eiffel tower right?

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Or look at the down perspective from this picture

Wow this guy's head is bigger than eiffel tower

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Stupid enough? Only when 2 objects are in the same plan as well as in the same position that it's possible to accurately rate the size of objects from a view perspective

Who is she tho?

 

[arv993]

Lmao are you serious so pica was strong he was pure fodder just like wadasumi all he had was a devil fruit that made him big all he did was run the entire fight and when has zoro ever pushed an admiral zoro never even clashed with an admiral I hope your not talking about when fugitora buried him down low and he through one attack that was blocked how is that pushing an admiral. Sabo actually clashed with an admiral and held his own zoro has never clashed with an admiral and doflamingo would've done the same thing to zoro especially when he did it to luffy and the only way luffy broke free is only because he used gear 4 which zoro doesn't have so he would've been in the same situation as sanji even jozu was stopped by doflamingo unless you believe zoro can beat doflamingo one on one which we both no he can't not yet at least.

Lmfao he pushed Fujitora? Get outta here man, Fujitora spanked Zoro. If Sanji was fighting nothing but children, then he'd look like a god too. Zoro has consistently fought one of the weakest people in every arc since the New World. The only times Zoro and Sanji didn't fight people of similar level in the NW were Punk Hazard and Dressrosa, where Sanji clashed with the strongest enemies both times while Zoro clashed with some of the weakest, if not the weakest.

He literally pushed him with his slash I didn't mean he gave him a mid diff fight. Sanji got his leg broken which is his primary weapon. He got neg diffed by Doffy atleast zoro wasn't out of commission and could resist a surprise attack from an admiral which is a much better showing than whatever sanji got.

Also pica is better than wadasumi in almost every way this is not even a legitimate argument.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He literally pushed him with his slash I didn't mean he gave him a mid diff fight. Sanji got his leg broken which is his primary weapon. He got neg diffed by Doffy atleast zoro wasn't out of commission and could resist a surprise attack from an admiral which is a much better showing than whatever sanji got.

Also pica is better than wadasumi in almost every way this is not even a legitimate argument.

I'm just gonna ignore anyone who brings up Sanji's leg being cracked from now on since it's clear someone let their toddler use their NB account every time that's posted.

 

[arv993]

I'm just gonna ignore anyone who brings up Sanji's leg being cracked from now on since it's clear someone let their toddler use their NB account every time that's posted.

Ok let's ignore the fact that Vergo was not even using haki and only base form, there was a handicap for sanji.

Let's ignore the fact that sanji got caught by Doffy in a laughable manner where as zoro can atleast not lose in such a manner to an admiral. All of this is portrayal that favors zoro. You're being a childish fanboy if you can't see something as clear as that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ok let's ignore the fact that Vergo was not even using haki and only base form, there was a handicap for sanji.

Let's ignore the fact that sanji got caught by Doffy in a laughable manner where as zoro can atleast not lose in such a manner to an admiral. All of this is portrayal that favors zoro. You're being a childish fanboy if you can't see something as clear as that.

Let's also ignore that Sanji wasn't using Haki, his flames, and was drastically injured as well.

Uhmm, what happened to Sanji and what happened to Zoro were the exact same thing. They both rushed forward, got blocked, and attacked. The attack sent them flying backwards, then with effort they bounced back, were winded for a moment, and then were good to go afterward with no further hindrances. Or are you forgetting that Sanji tangoed with some of Big Mom's goons before fleeing?

Zoro being caught was just as laughable as the way Sanji was caught. Nothing about these scenarios favors Zoro in any way.

 

[Love Cook]

And the excuses continue. You clearly need understand the definition of an outlook perspective. If you and an object are located on the same plan, the farther away an object is from the position you take a picture from, the smaller the object will look on the camera. That's basic understanding, but hey i guess this girl is almost as big as the Eiffel tower right?

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Or look at the down perspective from this picture

Wow this guy's head is bigger than eiffel tower

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Stupid enough? Only when 2 objects are in the same plan as well as in the same position that it's possible to accurately rate the size of objects from a view perspective

Dude very witty, too bad I already tackled that in my post by saying he is not that far behind those buildings.

Just answer me this, if those buildings on his arm are so small, where did he get all the stone from to form his body and still stand in an largely intact town huh ?

I'll make you a deal. If you post the following sentence next time you reply. I will leave this thread and never come back.

"I believe that Pica is as tall as 13.5 World Trade Centers stacked on top of each other."

Post it and I'm gone.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Ok let's ignore the fact that Vergo was not even using haki and only base form, there was a handicap for sanji.

Let's ignore the fact that sanji got caught by Doffy in a laughable manner where as zoro can atleast not lose in such a manner to an admiral. All of this is portrayal that favors zoro. You're being a childish fanboy if you can't see something as clear as that.

So zoro couldn't have been in that situation so zoro would've broken free from doflamingo strings when even jozu couldn't ?

 

[Bogard]

Dude very witty, too bad I already tackled that in my post by saying he is not that far behind those buildings.

Just answer me this, if those buildings on his arm are so small, where did he get all the stone from to form his body and still stand in an largely intact town huh ?

I'll make you a deal. If you post the following sentence next time you reply. I will leave this thread and never come back.

"I believe that Pica is as tall as 13.5 World Trade Centers stacked on top of each other."

Post it and I'm gone.

You see the surface without thinking about the dressrosa ground elevation. Pica's ability allows him to change the lay of the ground he takes control of with his stone powers at will(whether sinking the rock environment or increasing it). To create his golem, he simply took countless layers of the bottom ground and mergin it with both the mountain he came from as well as part of the town

As for your actual question i won't say it's exactly that big considering the rating i made was just to have a rough estimate, but what i'm sure about is that it's not far off

 

[Fireplay]

Cracker beats both.

 

[arv993]

Let's also ignore that Sanji wasn't using Haki, his flames, and was drastically injured as well.

Uhmm, what happened to Sanji and what happened to Zoro were the exact same thing. They both rushed forward, got blocked, and attacked. The attack sent them flying backwards, then with effort they bounced back, were winded for a moment, and then were good to go afterward with no further hindrances. Or are you forgetting that Sanji tangoed with some of Big Mom's goons before fleeing?

Zoro being caught was just as laughable as the way Sanji was caught. Nothing about these scenarios favors Zoro in any way.

Vergo is a busho haki specialist where as sanji isn't which means if they both used haki Vergo would have a much bigger advantage. But that wasn't an even clash to begin with. Vergo broke sanjis leg ur acting like they both stalemated.

No it's not as laughable because sanji got caught and needed help whereas zoro was able to send an attack back and push Fuji. And zoro did it against an admiral whereas sanji faced an inferior opponent and got worse treatment. The fanboyism here is too strong. Oda can't make it clear enough who had better portrayal but knowing your tendency to misconstrue almost anything I'm not surprised.

 

[A v i]

I'll break it down for you since it's obvious I'm dealing with children.

Alabasta Zoro was more durable than large stone structures many times his size and density.
Arlong was more durable than large stone structures many times his size and density.

This establishes that something being huge and made of stone is not enough proof that it's more durable than something it's bigger than.

Wadatsumi is far more durable than either Arlong or Alabasta Zoro, so it stands to reason that he too is more durable than stone structures bigger than himself. Which would include Pica's golem, which he is closer in size to than Zoro and Arlong were to the stone structures they were more durable than.

How about this? A random fodder in Don Kreig's crew is less durable than a stone block which is 10 times smaller than his size. Following the same pattern, Wada should logically be less durable than a volume of stone 10 times smaller than his size. More than anyone else on here, the person who's being childish and acting like one would be you. Arlong was such a monster that he could tank attacks which could break walls which are much larger than himself. Wada, on the other hand, has no monstrous durability. Wada having more durability than someone who could tank small building range attacks isn't same as him having the ability to tank attacks which could destroy structures that are much larger than him. You're seriously hopeless if you genuinely don't understand the difference.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Vergo is a busho haki specialist where as sanji isn't which means if they both used haki Vergo would have a much bigger advantage. But that wasn't an even clash to begin with Vergo. Vergo broke sanjis leg ur acting like they both stalemated.

No it's not as laughable because sanji got caught and needed help whereas zoro was able to send an attack back and push Fuji. And zoro did it against an admiral whereas sanji faced an inferior opponent and got worse treatment. The fanboyism here is too strong. Oda can't make it clear enough who had better portrayal but knowing your tendency to misconstrue almost anything I'm not surprised.

Sanji was so weak that a punch from Nami could take him out, leaving him wondering why the punch hurt so much. Sanji was the better fighter even in a weakened state as he was able to hit Vergo clean while Vergo couldn't hit him once(not including the sneak attack).
Sanji got his leg fractured because he tried to block Vergo's kick instead of dodging like he did before. Even with a fractured leg, Vergo STILL couldn't touch Sanji & Sanji had no problem parrying the same kicks that fractured his leg when landed clean.

Vergo didn't use haki or his bamboo stick. Sanji didn't haki & only used DJ once for a kick when he got an opening. Sanji>Vergo. Pica displayed better haki control than Zoro(FBH) but that didn't work out so well for Pica now did it?

-Sanji attack gets blocked by Doffy. Zoro's attack gets blocked by Fujitora
-Sanji gets cut by Doffy & Zoro gets sent underground by gravity.
-Both Doffy & Fuji underestimated their opponents but praised their strength
-Sanji comes back with Spectre, Doffy blocks it and calls it strong. Zoro counters with a slash, Fujitora blocks it, the force of it pushes him back a few feet and he calls it nasty. Mind you, Fujitora had no problem blocking the slash & he didn't try counter it. He just let the slash hit his blade & the force pushed him back. Its simple physics like how a bigger guy pushes a smaller guy & he falls over despite the smaller guy being stronger.
-Doffy uses parasite & afterwards, Sanji wasn't panting. He was on his feet, ready to attack Big Mom's ship. Zoro was on one knee, breathing heavily & coughing blood.

If it was Zoro who attcked Doffy, he just get in parasite & need to be saved just like Sanji. Don't say BS like "Zoro can break out it with brute strength!" because even Jozu couldn't get free & it took G4 to break them.