[VS] Cracker vs Sanji / Zorro

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Actually you can check some forums the chapter Zoro beat Pica, people started questioning if Luffy was even stronger than Zoro and were complaining Oda had taken it too far with Zoro's untouchable persona. Nobody including me expected Zoro to handle Pica the way he did, we all projected Pica being a hyped top executive would finally give Zoro his first challenge in the New World, but instead Zoro ended up making Pica look like a fodder.

The thing is pica is like cracker in my book (not in terms of power obviously there is difference) both showcased cool adarment Haki abilities (cracker bypassing gear 4th pics showing fbh) however both share one quality that makes them physically weak

They both hide behind things cracker with his souldiers pica with his statue pica obviously does not like to be hit which is why he ran into his statue zoro being obviously stronger then him it was smarter thing to do which is why I rank vergo above him (know this is kind of off topic) vergo is indeed a tank and his body litterally morphes into something huge because of how dense his Haki is that's why I rank vergo Haki > pica

Zoro needs someone who is actually willing to fight
I think oda is giving zoro weak opponents yes, however he is showcasing what it takes to beat zoro or at least change entire difficulty of the fight and that is mainly speed (with the monk girl and pica and even the yeti guys with that swift movement )

Both zoro and sanji will have their moments but they both need power ups but even with portrayal and being best fighters of Luffy crew both are lack luster as **** compared to gear 4th


Also to the guy who said aura and hells mementoes are not comparable ??? How both are ultimate attacks made by the two chars sure sanji showed his later then zoro but both are attacks however I believe both will get their modes in their respective forms

So a flaming burning sanji with Haki

And an asura zoro who basically (I believe it's with his aura) has multiple arms to basically block and attack everything in sight

I cannot wait to see asura again that and the kuma thing and the Mohawk thing in the beginning have been my favorite moments with zoro

 

[RJ22BIG]

Actually you can check some forums the chapter Zoro beat Pica, people started questioning if Luffy was even stronger than Zoro and were complaining Oda had taken it too far with Zoro's untouchable persona. Nobody including me expected Zoro to handle Pica the way he did, we all projected Pica being a hyped top executive would finally give Zoro his first challenge in the New World, but instead Zoro ended up making Pica look like a fodder.

ToshiZo with all do respect bud nobody thought pica was gonna push zoro from the start we found out pica had a fruit to control stone zoro could cut stone probably since the moment he was introduced in the manga. zoro was handling pica from the moment he attacked luffy and viola and pica was a joke as soon as he spoke from that moment on all he did was run from zoro. Pica was fodder the moment oda created him without his devil fruit he would've immediately been an after thought. pica diamanté and trebol were beyond weak each one was one shotted diamanté by a badly injured one legged kyros, trebol by a nearly dead one armed law lying on the floor and squeaky voiced pika by zoro 3 ultimate fodder. Zoro hasn't had a challenge yet zoro call pika a pebble when comparing him to luffy zoro has never down played a character like that unless your fodder he didn't say anything like that to Mr. 1, Kaku, or Ryuma because they were a challenge. Zoro didn't make pica look like fodder because he was fodder from the moment he was created by oda and introduced by oda and you can't deny that bro.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Actually you can check some forums the chapter Zoro beat Pica, people started questioning if Luffy was even stronger than Zoro and were complaining Oda had taken it too far with Zoro's untouchable persona. Nobody including me expected Zoro to handle Pica the way he did, we all projected Pica being a hyped top executive would finally give Zoro his first challenge in the New World, but instead Zoro ended up making Pica look like a fodder.

That's usually because people go too far with Zoro's capabilities. When he did 1080 Pound Cannon, fans started claiming he could cut & push back Fujitora. Its very bittersweet as whenever Zoro does something, people overhyped it to sh1t & others hate that.

The fandom was actually split between the executives. There was ALOT of threads made in 2014 on Orojackson calling the executives trash. Since Vergo, the overall strongest executive was dead, people didn't expect too much. Diamnate got one shotted & the Pica fight is downplayed alot. Zoro couldn't get Pica's real body until he went inside the golem. The initial struggle gave Zoro scratches.

Luffy has gear stacking & managed to scratch Fujitora, something that even Sabo couldn't do(Sabo>G2/G3 Luffy still). That is the main reason I can't see Zoro>G2/G3 Luffy overall.

 

[Bogard]

One of the reasons behind the disparity in opinion concerning Vergo and Pica is the fanwar between Zoro and Sanji and the funniest thing about that part of the argument is that Sanji fans usually try to overwank Vergo comparatively to the rest while at the same time downplaying him, when me in the corner i'm always wondering what is it in the end?

In reality however the parallel Oda wanted to create in their defeat had nothing to do with Sanji, but more to show the passing torch between Doflamingo's strongests and the supernovas of the worst generation(Law and Zoro), hence the parallel in the way they were defeated

Neither was portrayed significantly above the other. There are areas where Vergo was better and others where Pica was especially in stone environment where i think his powers and accomplishments were supposed to be viewed as situation while performing at his absolute best in an environment with a significant amount of stone

 

[-Akuma-]

Hold on. What does that prove? You said he was keeping up with G2 Luffy. Luffy used G2 once, and Chinjao canonically could not keep up.

That proves your stance completely invalid. Base Luffy was keeping up with Chinjao, 1 g2 attack Chinjao couldn't even get his arms up in time to block. And yea I forgot about the hawk rifle, which is why I said he laid him out in base, I remembered Chinjao not being a match for G2, which is why I said that.

No one said Chinjao isn't durable, though. And I didn't say or think you were downplaying anyone at all. I can tell you aren't.

Luffy used G2 at the start of the fight when he kicked Sai, someone already pointed this out to you. Luffy used G2 at the start of the fight and Chinjao reacted accordingly. My point is that Chinjao isn't as linear as a brawler you make him nor is he as strong as both of you make him out to be (post Luffy fight).

That's usually because people go too far with Zoro's capabilities. When he did 1080 Pound Cannon, fans started claiming he could cut & push back Fujitora. Its very bittersweet as whenever Zoro does something, people overhyped it to sh1t & others hate that.

The fandom was actually split between the executives. There was ALOT of threads made in 2014 on Orojackson calling the executives trash. Since Vergo, the overall strongest executive was dead, people didn't expect too much. Diamnate got one shotted & the Pica fight is downplayed alot. Zoro couldn't get Pica's real body until he went inside the golem. The initial struggle gave Zoro scratches.

Luffy has gear stacking & managed to scratch Fujitora, something that even Sabo couldn't do(Sabo>G2/G3 Luffy still). That is the main reason I can't see Zoro>G2/G3 Luffy overall.

That was shading not a bruise.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Luffy used G2 at the start of the fight when he kicked Sai, someone already pointed this out to you. Luffy used G2 at the start of the fight and Chinjao reacted accordingly. My point is that Chinjao isn't as linear as a brawler you make him nor is he as strong as both of you make him out to be (post Luffy fight).

That was shading not a bruise.

Funny how that "shading" was only on his left cheek, the side that Luffy punched and no where else.

 

[ToshiZO]

ToshiZo with all do respect bud nobody thought pica was gonna push zoro from the start we found out pica had a fruit to control stone zoro could cut stone probably since the moment he was introduced in the manga. zoro was handling pica from the moment he attacked luffy and viola and pica was a joke as soon as he spoke from that moment on all he did was run from zoro. Pica was fodder the moment oda created him without his devil fruit he would've immediately been an after thought. pica diamanté and trebol were beyond weak each one was one shotted diamanté by a badly injured one legged kyros, trebol by a nearly dead one armed law lying on the floor and squeaky voiced pika by zoro 3 ultimate fodder. Zoro hasn't had a challenge yet zoro call pika a pebble when comparing him to luffy zoro has never down played a character like that unless your fodder he didn't say anything like that to Mr. 1, Kaku, or Ryuma because they were a challenge. Zoro didn't make pica look like fodder because he was fodder from the moment he was created by oda and introduced by oda and you can't deny that bro.

No everyone thought Pica was going to push Zoro, you're only saying this now, because we know how that turned out. Before Zoro engaged in a fight with Pica, we all thought it was going to be his first real opponent, in a serious arc with a top shichibukai you would expect his strongest man to put up a fight, but unfortunately Zoro grew too strong for his own good over 2 years to be fighting anyone but the captain of a crew that isn't a Yonkou's.

Luffy used G2 at the start of the fight when he kicked Sai, someone already pointed this out to you. Luffy used G2 at the start of the fight and Chinjao reacted accordingly. My point is that Chinjao isn't as linear as a brawler you make him nor is he as strong as both of you make him out to be (post Luffy fight).

I'm sorry but that means absolutely nothing. G2 isn't something Luffy enters, its not SSJ mode. He can literally make individual parts of his body work it, he uses it anytime he wants any limb any attack, never saw him use anything on Chinjao other than hawk rifle and that was something Chinjao couldn't react to at all.

That's usually because people go too far with Zoro's capabilities. When he did 1080 Pound Cannon, fans started claiming he could cut & push back Fujitora. Its very bittersweet as whenever Zoro does something, people overhyped it to sh1t & others hate that.

The fandom was actually split between the executives. There was ALOT of threads made in 2014 on Orojackson calling the executives trash. Since Vergo, the overall strongest executive was dead, people didn't expect too much. Diamnate got one shotted & the Pica fight is downplayed alot. Zoro couldn't get Pica's real body until he went inside the golem. The initial struggle gave Zoro scratches.

Luffy has gear stacking & managed to scratch Fujitora, something that even Sabo couldn't do(Sabo>G2/G3 Luffy still). That is the main reason I can't see Zoro>G2/G3 Luffy overall.

You might be referring to Zoro fans, I'm talking about almost anyone even Luffy fans started to doubt who was stronger, and were legitimately complaining about Oda making Zoro all high and mighty, while even Luffy looked vulnerable at times.

I can argue Zoro breaking through Fuji's surprise vertical gravity while with a one handed slash sending Fuji sliding a meter back simultaneous is just as impressive if not more.

The thing is pica is like cracker in my book (not in terms of power obviously there is difference) both showcased cool adarment Haki abilities (cracker bypassing gear 4th pics showing fbh) however both share one quality that makes them physically weak

They both hide behind things cracker with his souldiers pica with his statue pica obviously does not like to be hit which is why he ran into his statue zoro being obviously stronger then him it was smarter thing to do which is why I rank vergo above him (know this is kind of off topic) vergo is indeed a tank and his body litterally morphes into something huge because of how dense his Haki is that's why I rank vergo Haki > pica

Zoro needs someone who is actually willing to fight
I think oda is giving zoro weak opponents yes, however he is showcasing what it takes to beat zoro or at least change entire difficulty of the fight and that is mainly speed (with the monk girl and pica and even the yeti guys with that swift movement )

Both zoro and sanji will have their moments but they both need power ups but even with portrayal and being best fighters of Luffy crew both are lack luster as **** compared to gear 4th


Also to the guy who said aura and hells mementoes are not comparable ??? How both are ultimate attacks made by the two chars sure sanji showed his later then zoro but both are attacks however I believe both will get their modes in their respective forms

So a flaming burning sanji with Haki

And an asura zoro who basically (I believe it's with his aura) has multiple arms to basically block and attack everything in sight

I cannot wait to see asura again that and the kuma thing and the Mohawk thing in the beginning have been my favorite moments with zoro

I fail to see how Zoro needs a powerup atm when he hasn't even been pushed and has not even shown his pre timeskip powerup.

Sanji and Luffy have already shown things in addition to their old powerups while Zoro still hasn't even shown Asura, let alone something completely new.

 

[A v i]

That's usually because people go too far with Zoro's capabilities. When he did 1080 Pound Cannon, fans started claiming he could cut & push back Fujitora. Its very bittersweet as whenever Zoro does something, people overhyped it to sh1t & others hate that.

The fandom was actually split between the executives. There was ALOT of threads made in 2014 on Orojackson calling the executives trash. Since Vergo, the overall strongest executive was dead, people didn't expect too much. Diamnate got one shotted & the Pica fight is downplayed alot. Zoro couldn't get Pica's real body until he went inside the golem. The initial struggle gave Zoro scratches.

Luffy has gear stacking & managed to scratch Fujitora, something that even Sabo couldn't do(Sabo>G2/G3 Luffy still). That is the main reason I can't see Zoro>G2/G3 Luffy overall.

I can post you screen shots of Zoro haters and other fanbases blaming Oda for making Zoro as OP as he is while indirectly implying Zoro's superiority over Luffy. Some tried to cover for Luffy by saying that he must be stronger than Zoro(which ended up being true) as he is the main character. Irrc, you were one of them.

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For one jabra even stated what's up with his kicks feeling them even while using tekkai and zoro never broke through kaku's tekkai he could've with lion song but kaku dodged it and chopper stated that carnivorous zoan fruits are more powerful when he first seen lucci transform not only that jabra had more experience with his devil fruit kaku just got his. Your saying cause kaku is a swordsman all his attacks are lethal in yet zoro is alive after taking them all so what high level fighter all have lethal attacks so that was pointless to even say.

You say that kaku was more durable then jabra kaku took one hit and lost yea his durability must be off the charts and jabra was the only cp9 member who can you tekkai while moving. So durability goes to jabra and sanji didn't have to risk the fight by letting himself get hit he took his attack to end the fight right then and there was that supposed to show a weakness zoro struggled badly when those 2 guy kaku and jabra physical strength had a difference of two marine fodder soldiers. You said zoro wasn't forced to take a hit to when because he couldn't dodge any attack kaku was destroying zoro and zoro and kaku didn't cut any building in half that was kaku alone

Kaku and jabra were literally equals 2200 to 2180 doriki while one had a superior devil fruit and experience with his and an already badly injured sanji owned his opponent almost mid diff while zoro struggled a lot but of course non factual excuse are made for zoro talking about kaku was more powerful then jabra get out of here and that doriki doesnt even count the power from a devil fruit but since zoro struggled so much and sanji didn't then there's no way they can be close in power smh that's really sad

That was him implying that his kicks are strong, his tekkai clearly wasn't broken as he took Sanji's attacks multiple times without his tekkai getting broken. Zoro overpowered Kaku's tekkai with Tatsumaki, from which Kaku had to get away in order to avoid being cut by the attack. Chopper never said carnivorous are more powerful, he said that they're

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. Experience means nothing when feats suggest otherwise, you're free to post scans of Jyabra where he used his fruit more effective than Kaku. What does Zoro being alive has anything to do with the dangerosity of Kaku's attacks?

Kaku took an attack which was far more powerful then anything Jyabra or Sanji had ever shown at EL. And Kaku took multiple attacks from Zoro without wearing tekkai armor, unlike Jyabra who had to hide behind it to reduce the damage being taken and still lost. He doesn't have to risk an attack to end the fight quickly when Jyabra was an easy match for Sanji. You said for yourself that Jyabra was an easy match for Sanji. He risked it because he can't afford to miss his final DJ attack.

Their Douriki difference means nothing while using devils fruits as the gap increased drastically after the addition of Kaku's devils fruit. Not to mention that Douriki doesn't measure anything other than physical strength which is a terrible way to evaluate how strong someone is; Jyabra himself said that Douriki doesn't include devils fruit abilities and that it becomes useless once they're involved. I am not sure why you refuse to go beyond the Douriki argument when the manga itself considers it to be useless. Kaku cut the tower on his own which means that his attack power >>>>Jyabra's which in turn increases the gap b/w Kaku and Jyabra. Zoro then trashed same attack which cut the tower in half with an attack of his own. Once again you're free to post scans and prove me wrong. Almost every attack Kaku had was more destructive and powerful than Jyabra's. It really is sad that you're incapable of observing the difference.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I can post you screen shots of Zoro haters and other fanbases blaming Oda for making Zoro as OP as he is while indirectly implying Zoro's superiority over Luffy. Some tried to cover for Luffy by saying that he must be stronger than Zoro(which ended up being true) as he is the main character. Irrc, you were one of them.

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That was him implying that his kicks are strong, his tekkai clearly wasn't broken as he took Sanji's attacks multiple times without his tekkai getting broken. Zoro overpowered Kaku's tekkai with Tatsumaki, from which Kaku had to get away in order to avoid being cut by the attack. Chopper never said carnivorous are more powerful, he said that they're

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. Experience means nothing when feats suggest otherwise, you're free to post scans of Jyabra where he used his fruit more effective than Kaku. What does Zoro being alive has anything to do with the dangerosity of Kaku's attacks?

Kaku took an attack which was far more powerful then anything Jyabra or Sanji had ever shown at EL. And Kaku took multiple attacks from Zoro without wearing tekkai armor, unlike Jyabra who had to hide behind it to reduce the damage being taken and still lost. He doesn't have to risk an attack to end the fight quickly when Jyabra was an easy match for Sanji. You said for yourself that Jyabra was an easy match for Sanji. He risked it because he can't afford to miss his final DJ attack.

Their Douriki difference means nothing while using devils fruits as the gap increased drastically after the addition of Kaku's devils fruit. Not to mention that Douriki doesn't measure anything other than physical strength which is a terrible way to evaluate how strong someone is; Jyabra himself said that Douriki doesn't include devils fruit abilities and that it becomes useless once they're involved. I am not sure why you refuse to go beyond the Douriki argument when the manga itself considers it to be useless. Kaku cut the tower on his own which means that his attack power >>>>Jyabra's which in turn increases the gap b/w Kaku and Jyabra. Zoro then trashed same attack which cut the tower in half with an attack of his own. Once again you're free to post scans and prove me wrong. Almost every attack Kaku had was more destructive and powerful than Jyabra's. It really is sad that you're incapable of observing the difference.

Good memory for something that never happened. When have I ever made points about "Luffy is the main character?" Anwyas, its only logical for Luffy to be>Zoro no matter what he shows. Same goes for Zoro-Sanji. I only complain about the guys that go too far with Zoro's feats whenever he goes something. The guys in those posts are just ignorant & butthurt. As I said, there are also guys who wanked Zoro to no end & said he was way stronger than Luffy & can damage Fujitora. It makes no logical sense. There is a reason that Zoro's fans are the only ones known as trolls, the only fandom REASONABLY hated & being the Itachi of One Piece.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

No everyone thought Pica was going to push Zoro, you're only saying this now, because we know how that turned out. Before Zoro engaged in a fight with Pica, we all thought it was going to be his first real opponent, in a serious arc with a top shichibukai you would expect his strongest man to put up a fight, but unfortunately Zoro grew too strong for his own good over 2 years to be fighting anyone but the captain of a crew that isn't a Yonkou's.





I'm sorry but that means absolutely nothing. G2 isn't something Luffy enters, its not SSJ mode. He can literally make individual parts of his body work it, he uses it anytime he wants any limb any attack, never saw him use anything on Chinjao other than hawk rifle and that was something Chinjao couldn't react to at all.




You might be referring to Zoro fans, I'm talking about almost anyone even Luffy fans started to doubt who was stronger, and were legitimately complaining about Oda making Zoro all high and mighty, while even Luffy looked vulnerable at times.

I can argue Zoro breaking through Fuji's surprise vertical gravity while with a one handed slash sending Fuji sliding a meter back simultaneous is just as impressive if not more.




I fail to see how Zoro needs a powerup atm when he hasn't even been pushed and has not even shown his pre timeskip powerup.

Sanji and Luffy have already shown things in addition to their old powerups while Zoro still hasn't even shown Asura, let alone something completely new.

That because zoro has not been fighting strong ppl

Ok even if pica and vergo r on the same level (pica for destruction and Df vergo for combat and Haki) vergo is def a better fighter

On punk hazard zoro was to fight monet who already stated she is not a fighter

On dress rosa zoro fought someone who does not like to be hit

His showing with Fuji was impressive due to him repelling the attack however ppl keep hyping it to New extremes

Sanji despite losing a lot of his battles (well only two unless I'm mistaken and him and vergo was not even finished or either of them going all out)
Has fought people who actually like to fight vergo was actually doing things pica along with the other executives has just been running a country ... :| and doffy is doffy


We have already seen twice on what happens when u have a significant way of moving faster then zoro pica dragged out his fight with zoro for so long while siomotaniously making sure no one got to the next level to help Luffy or law etc.

What zoro has done since post time skip has not been impressive in terms of fighters in terms of feats displayed the mountain slash was cool but that's about it

Sanji is in same boat but other way around hard Ass fighters however has not really displayed anything
Sanji's feats have been shown outside of combat like being able to move 5,000 meters in the water pressure without his body getting crushed
Speed feats (against vergo doffy etc)
Observation Haki feats (he heard tashigi's tear fall on the ground from a pretty far distance)

Both are kind of inferior to their captain because he is getting all the spot light

Any of zoro's opponents sanji could had the same results (except monet simply because she is a woman)
However the same cannot be said for zoro he'll to me even vergo is debatable he still has best Haki shown his body literally morphed with his Haki change no one has shown that at all yet...

My personal opinion zoro has gotten the weaker opponents since post timeskip (idont remember who he fought on fishnet island besides hordy who was weak af)

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Good memory for something that never happened. When have I ever made points about "Luffy is the main character?" Anwyas, its only logical for Luffy to be>Zoro no matter what he shows. Same goes for Zoro-Sanji. I only complain about the guys that go too far with Zoro's feats whenever he goes something. The guys in those posts are just ignorant & butthurt. As I said, there are also guys who wanked Zoro to no end & said he was way stronger than Luffy & can damage Fujitora. It makes no logical sense. There is a reason that Zoro's fans are the only ones known as trolls, the only fandom REASONABLY hated & being the Itachi of One Piece.

zoro is the itachi of one piece as much as I like his char (pre timeskip that is)
There I no denying the similarities between the two fanbase's

 

[WoldOfFingo]

I am not a Zoro "fanboy" I never made any post that inclines any wanking for Zoro his character. I am as neutral as can be but I can see CLEARLY the Zoro hate on this forum vastly overshadows the Zoro wank. The standard Zoro fan is a lot less annoying and a lot more reasonable than Sanji and his cult gathering fans. Infact most are not even "fan fans" they just see Zoro and for some turd reason think Sanji has to be brought up as a counterpart.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I am not a Zoro "fanboy" I never made any post that inclines any wanking for Zoro his character. I am as neutral as can be but I can see CLEARLY the Zoro hate on this forum vastly overshadows the Zoro wank. The standard Zoro fan is a lot less annoying and a lot more reasonable than Sanji and his cult gathering fans. Infact most are not even "fan fans" they just see Zoro and for some turd reason think Sanji has to be brought up as a counterpart.

Sanji fans are more defensive because its much easier for them to be labeled as haters or fapboys & Sanji's weaknesses are only looked at while only Zoro's strength is praised. I can say that I'm "as neutral as it comes." I don't judge strength by how much I like a character or hate them(only character I dislike in OP is Chopper).

The standard(casual) fan is just fine just like the casual Sanji fan. You have the Zoro wankers that say he even stronger than level & can push an admiral and you have the Sanji wankers that say he is Zoro's equal. Zoro's fanbase is larger and is commonly viewed as the worst fanbase of One Piece. They were viewed as the worst even Pre-TS.

I've had experience who every side of the spectrum. I've been called a Zoro hater, Zoro fapboy, Sanji hater & Sanji fapboy. Across 4 forums, I get called a Zoro hater A LOT more. If I so much as hint that I'm downplaying Zoro or don't elevate him my intelligence gets insulted & I'm labeled as a hater. Even on OJ, the best & most OP forum site, I was accused of being a Zoro hater because I said "Sanji isn't as weak as you think."

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sanji fans are more defensive because its much easier for them to be labeled as haters or fapboys & Sanji's weaknesses are only looked at while only Zoro's strength is praised. I can say that I'm "as neutral as it comes." I don't judge strength by how much I like a character or hate them(only character I dislike in OP is Chopper).

The standard(casual) fan is just fine just like the casual Sanji fan. You have the Zoro wankers that say he even stronger than level & can push an admiral and you have the Sanji wankers that say he is Zoro's equal. Zoro's fanbase is larger and is commonly viewed as the worst fanbase of One Piece. They were viewed as the worst even Pre-TS.

I've had experience who every side of the spectrum. I've been called a Zoro hater, Zoro fapboy, Sanji hater & Sanji fapboy. Across 4 forums, I get called a Zoro hater A LOT more. If I so much as hint that I'm downplaying Zoro or don't elevate him my intelligence gets insulted & I'm labeled as a hater. Even on OJ, the best & most OP forum site, I was accused of being a Zoro hater because I said "Sanji isn't as weak as you think."

Probably should avoid Reddit, my guy.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Probably should avoid Reddit, my guy.

Never made an account on Reddit, never will. Just reading the comments while roaming was enough to keep me away.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Never made an account on Reddit, never will. Just reading the comments while roaming was enough to keep me away.

Sometimes it's chill, but wew. The wank for any character there can be really bad sometimes.

 

[Bogard]

I'm not much into this "worst fanbase" thingy which doesn't make any sense to me considering you can find the worst and best in every kind of fanbase. It's not like everyone is born to like someone. It's not like suddenly a certain group will just consist of the most intelligent folks, it's not like randomly one group will consist of the most bias or unbiased ones. No that changes from persona to persona with character traits. So i always find the "worst fanbase" claims the most ridiculous ever.

That said, it's actually easier for the Zoro fanbase to be labelled as the worst considering

1- He is badass(badass characters are always controversial when it comes to liking or hating)
2- He is in the middle of 2 of the most popular fanbase in the one piece manga with the Luffy fanbase having the advantage to be the main character to boot. The Zoro fanbase since they are in the middle gets comparison with both all throughout the manga and naturally when the argument they place isn't at the taste of one of the fanbase, it's when the conflict starts

The Sanji fanbase have a complex of inferiority, that's why they always try to bring him up in Zoro topics. The Luffy fanbase however can sometimes feel threatened by Zoro, hence they'd sometimes try to downplay him to the point they won't even hesitate to use the Sanji fanbase for this, sometimes even leading to temporarily alliances between both the fanbases. When you're in such a position, it's easy to be attacked by either side turning the supposed "Zoro superior popularity" comparatively to the Sanji fanbase into the minority when combining both the Luffy and Sanji fanbase(of course that's when talking about the worst of the respective fanbases considering there are always good and neutral ones in any fanbase)

PS: As a record, i'm both a Luffy fan and a Zoro fan(although i like other characters more). I'm not a fan of Sanji though, but i'm neutral with him

 

[Punk Hazard]

All of us fanbases are a bunch of neurotic idiots that needs to remember Oda doesn't give a good goddamn about VS matches and lowkey probably does shit to benefit the sake of making an entertaining story and probably couldn't give a shit about who'd win in a fight.

 

[-Akuma-]

Funny how that "shading" was only on his left cheek, the side that Luffy punched and no where else.

Funny how it disappeared right after.

No everyone thought Pica was going to push Zoro, you're only saying this now, because we know how that turned out. Before Zoro engaged in a fight with Pica, we all thought it was going to be his first real opponent, in a serious arc with a top shichibukai you would expect his strongest man to put up a fight, but unfortunately Zoro grew too strong for his own good over 2 years to be fighting anyone but the captain of a crew that isn't a Yonkou's.





I'm sorry but that means absolutely nothing. G2 isn't something Luffy enters, its not SSJ mode. He can literally make individual parts of his body work it, he uses it anytime he wants any limb any attack, never saw him use anything on Chinjao other than hawk rifle and that was something Chinjao couldn't react to at all.




You might be referring to Zoro fans, I'm talking about almost anyone even Luffy fans started to doubt who was stronger, and were legitimately complaining about Oda making Zoro all high and mighty, while even Luffy looked vulnerable at times.

I can argue Zoro breaking through Fuji's surprise vertical gravity while with a one handed slash sending Fuji sliding a meter back simultaneous is just as impressive if not more.




I fail to see how Zoro needs a powerup atm when he hasn't even been pushed and has not even shown his pre timeskip powerup.

Sanji and Luffy have already shown things in addition to their old powerups while Zoro still hasn't even shown Asura, let alone something completely new.

Luffy can enter G2 and it is frequently used like mode. The fact he didn't use a Hawk Move doesn't mean he wasn't in the mode, not to mention not much happened after that.

 

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Sanji fans are more defensive because its much easier for them to be labeled as haters or fapboys & Sanji's weaknesses are only looked at while only Zoro's strength is praised. I can say that I'm "as neutral as it comes." I don't judge strength by how much I like a character or hate them(only character I dislike in OP is Chopper).

The standard(casual) fan is just fine just like the casual Sanji fan. You have the Zoro wankers that say he even stronger than level & can push an admiral and you have the Sanji wankers that say he is Zoro's equal. Zoro's fanbase is larger and is commonly viewed as the worst fanbase of One Piece. They were viewed as the worst even Pre-TS.

I've had experience who every side of the spectrum. I've been called a Zoro hater, Zoro fapboy, Sanji hater & Sanji fapboy. Across 4 forums, I get called a Zoro hater A LOT more. If I so much as hint that I'm downplaying Zoro or don't elevate him my intelligence gets insulted & I'm labeled as a hater. Even on OJ, the best & most OP forum site, I was accused of being a Zoro hater because I said "Sanji isn't as weak as you think."

Funny because I was called a Sanji wanker for years on one forum. This was a while back when Sanji and Zoro were more comparable imo, so I was on the other end of Zoro fans for a lot of arguments.

That's because back then I didn't find a lot of people placing Sanji considerably below Zoro and Luffy justified, now..not so much. Because that's what the manga is presenting atm. You can ask anyone that has debated me on a broad range of topics, I will defend a character in one thread and I will shit on that same character in another based on the topic being discussed.

And Zoro is indeed the most overrated character in the One Piece fanbase, I've said this plenty of times everywhere. But this is predominantly in other places like youtube, reddit etc. not over here. There arent even enough people to overrate him in forums like this. I find the people saying Sanji is still right there with him, are the ones that are stuck in the past.

The Sanji fanbase have a complex of inferiority, that's why they always try to bring him up in Zoro topics. The Luffy fanbase however can sometimes feel threatened by Zoro, hence they'd sometimes try to downplay him to the point they won't even hesitate to use the Sanji fanbase for this, sometimes even leading to temporarily alliances between both the fanbases.

This is so true.

I can post you screen shots of Zoro haters and other fanbases blaming Oda for making Zoro as OP as he is while indirectly implying Zoro's superiority over Luffy. Some tried to cover for Luffy by saying that he must be stronger than Zoro(which ended up being true) as he is the main character. Irrc, you were one of them.

An example;

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Lmao the salt and tears in these posts lol. You can feel the frustration, and the thing is he's not even necessarily wrong in some parts but hey, its Oda's manga, that's how he wants to portray Zoro.

Funny how it disappeared right after.

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That because zoro has not been fighting strong ppl

Ok even if pica and vergo r on the same level (pica for destruction and Df vergo for combat and Haki) vergo is def a better fighter

On punk hazard zoro was to fight monet who already stated she is not a fighter

On dress rosa zoro fought someone who does not like to be hit

His showing with Fuji was impressive due to him repelling the attack however ppl keep hyping it to New extremes

Sanji despite losing a lot of his battles (well only two unless I'm mistaken and him and vergo was not even finished or either of them going all out)
Has fought people who actually like to fight vergo was actually doing things pica along with the other executives has just been running a country ... :| and doffy is doffy


We have already seen twice on what happens when u have a significant way of moving faster then zoro pica dragged out his fight with zoro for so long while siomotaniously making sure no one got to the next level to help Luffy or law etc.

What zoro has done since post time skip has not been impressive in terms of fighters in terms of feats displayed the mountain slash was cool but that's about it

Sanji is in same boat but other way around hard Ass fighters however has not really displayed anything
Sanji's feats have been shown outside of combat like being able to move 5,000 meters in the water pressure without his body getting crushed
Speed feats (against vergo doffy etc)
Observation Haki feats (he heard tashigi's tear fall on the ground from a pretty far distance)

Both are kind of inferior to their captain because he is getting all the spot light

Any of zoro's opponents sanji could had the same results (except monet simply because she is a woman)
However the same cannot be said for zoro he'll to me even vergo is debatable he still has best Haki shown his body literally morphed with his Haki change no one has shown that at all yet...

My personal opinion zoro has gotten the weaker opponents since post timeskip (idont remember who he fought on fishnet island besides hordy who was weak af)

Thats because Oda uses Sanji as a hype tool.

Have you ever thought maybe Zoro was too strong to be used as a hype tool in some circumstances, that is why he avoids having Zoro fight guys like Doflamingo before Luffy gets a shot at them? So Oda refrains from putting him in those situations? He'd rather have an Admiral intervene than let Zoro go at Doflamingo and possibly take some hype away from Doflamingo.

Having Zoro fight Doflamingo is a lose/lose situation for Oda, he is clearly depicting Zoro as this monster, but he also has a job to do to hype Doflamingo until Luffy fights him, he can't have Zoro sacrificed to hype Mingo, nor can he have mingo sacrificed to maintain Zoro.

Simple solution substitute someone who is still a part of the top 3 in the crew, but he doesn't need to meet the requirements Zoro does.

Your complaints only further highlight Zoro's strength/ portrayal.