NarutoX28
Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
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Judgement
Keep in mind that this is my first critique as a judge, so feel free to give me feedback if you feel that any of my judgement was unfair or unjustified. Without further ado, I will start addressing each of you arguments:
Edogawa: Edogawa’s argument was coherent and very well-written given how it was presented. The structure of it was designed in a way where it was easily comprehensible and one of the things that I personally liked about his argumentation is that he took into consideration of the audience and adjusted his tone accordingly. For example, he was aware that the audience were the judges and the other Narutobase debaters, so he knew that his tone had to be confident and assertive in order to persuade the audience that his position was correct and that was something that really made his argument very powerful.
With that said, I’ll outline his strengths first:
As for weaknesses:
Brother Numpsay: Brother Numpsay also possessed a very strong argument as well as he managed to thoroughly address Edogawa’s counters while also keeping his argument very concise which is good because he knew that his audience was expecting a short debate.
With that said, I’ll also address his strengths:
As for weaknesses:
Verdict:
Keep in mind that this is my first critique as a judge, so feel free to give me feedback if you feel that any of my judgement was unfair or unjustified. Without further ado, I will start addressing each of you arguments:
Edogawa: Edogawa’s argument was coherent and very well-written given how it was presented. The structure of it was designed in a way where it was easily comprehensible and one of the things that I personally liked about his argumentation is that he took into consideration of the audience and adjusted his tone accordingly. For example, he was aware that the audience were the judges and the other Narutobase debaters, so he knew that his tone had to be confident and assertive in order to persuade the audience that his position was correct and that was something that really made his argument very powerful.
With that said, I’ll outline his strengths first:
He effectively countered all of the strengths that DSM Kabuto possessed such as Manda V2, White Rage, and Tayuya’s Sound Genjutsu knowing full-well that they were game-changers and effectively explained how Nagato’s arsenal could counter them.
He capitalized on the importance of Nagato’s chakra rods and knew that they bypassed Kabuto’s and Manda’s durability and explained how they played a major role in the battle.
Outlined the importance of Asura Path and how it would provide him an edge against Kabuto even if he possessed inferior reaction speed.
Presented scans that substantiated his argument and gave us an idea on what he was referring to.
Explained how Nagato could defend himself against Kidoumaru’s Arrows and presented a compelling feat such as Chakra Rods vs. Enton that was convincing enough to suggest that his Chakra Rods, Nagato’s primary offense, could’ve easily countered DSM Kabuto’s bones.
Took into account of a potential counter to Nagato’s Chibaku Tensei and countered it effectively.
Provided compelling information that led to the possibility of Asura Path having Sage Level Strength due to displaying immense strength due to his propelled fists.
He capitalized on the importance of Nagato’s chakra rods and knew that they bypassed Kabuto’s and Manda’s durability and explained how they played a major role in the battle.
Outlined the importance of Asura Path and how it would provide him an edge against Kabuto even if he possessed inferior reaction speed.
Presented scans that substantiated his argument and gave us an idea on what he was referring to.
Explained how Nagato could defend himself against Kidoumaru’s Arrows and presented a compelling feat such as Chakra Rods vs. Enton that was convincing enough to suggest that his Chakra Rods, Nagato’s primary offense, could’ve easily countered DSM Kabuto’s bones.
Took into account of a potential counter to Nagato’s Chibaku Tensei and countered it effectively.
Provided compelling information that led to the possibility of Asura Path having Sage Level Strength due to displaying immense strength due to his propelled fists.
As for weaknesses:
While Edogawa did try to argue that Nagato’s Outer Path was within the realm of Obito’s, he didn’t necessarily convince me as to why and didn’t touch up on how Obito possessed superior sealing abilities. I also was rather confused when he mentioned that the chains were the only reason why Obito’s Outer Path was superior which was great information and was factually correct, but then he stated that because of that, Nagato’s feats should on par with Obito’s which is false because majority of Obito’s feats used chains which Nagato was lacking. He then proposed a logical fallacy that tried to justify why Nagato could use Obito’s feats, but he didn’t provide any substance as to why Nagato could accomplish what Obito could.
I did like how you connected Obito’s Outer Path to Nagato to suggest why he could bind Manda, but it was convincing enough for aforementioned reasons because Nagato hasn’t displayed the ability to use chains, nor does he have Sharingan Genjutsu which aided in subduing the Bijuus.
He attempted to compare Asura Path’s strength to Tsunade which is great because Asura Path was a huge aspect of Nagato’s CQC offense and Edogawa capitalized on that, but he didn’t elaborate on how that level of physical strength would overwhelm SM Kabuto when he’s amplified his physical strength considerably through Jirobo’s DNA.
His rebuttal to Numpsay mentioning how his analogy was wrong wasn’t convincing enough and I was confused how it was incorrect because his focus on BM Bee didn’t discredit how Gai’s momentum could push the Mazo back and that’s essential because without the Mazo, one of Kabuto’s game changers could shift the match in Kabuto’s favor.
Failed to address why Kabuto couldn’t create multiple clones because SM Naruto was incapable of using more clones because he had clones gathering Senjutsu chakra at Mt. Myoboku and we know DSM Kabuto doesn’t have that hindrance.
Didn’t explain how Rinnegan Summons could defeat Kabuto’s Hydra.
Suggested that Nagato could use chakra rods as a medium for Preta Path due to a misinterpretation of a manga scan.
Mentioned how Asura Path having organs was irrelevant which wasn’t convincing enough to me considering it was mentioned how each of the corpse’s were revived before being used as Paths:
I did like how you connected Obito’s Outer Path to Nagato to suggest why he could bind Manda, but it was convincing enough for aforementioned reasons because Nagato hasn’t displayed the ability to use chains, nor does he have Sharingan Genjutsu which aided in subduing the Bijuus.
He attempted to compare Asura Path’s strength to Tsunade which is great because Asura Path was a huge aspect of Nagato’s CQC offense and Edogawa capitalized on that, but he didn’t elaborate on how that level of physical strength would overwhelm SM Kabuto when he’s amplified his physical strength considerably through Jirobo’s DNA.
His rebuttal to Numpsay mentioning how his analogy was wrong wasn’t convincing enough and I was confused how it was incorrect because his focus on BM Bee didn’t discredit how Gai’s momentum could push the Mazo back and that’s essential because without the Mazo, one of Kabuto’s game changers could shift the match in Kabuto’s favor.
Failed to address why Kabuto couldn’t create multiple clones because SM Naruto was incapable of using more clones because he had clones gathering Senjutsu chakra at Mt. Myoboku and we know DSM Kabuto doesn’t have that hindrance.
Didn’t explain how Rinnegan Summons could defeat Kabuto’s Hydra.
Suggested that Nagato could use chakra rods as a medium for Preta Path due to a misinterpretation of a manga scan.
Mentioned how Asura Path having organs was irrelevant which wasn’t convincing enough to me considering it was mentioned how each of the corpse’s were revived before being used as Paths:
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Brother Numpsay: Brother Numpsay also possessed a very strong argument as well as he managed to thoroughly address Edogawa’s counters while also keeping his argument very concise which is good because he knew that his audience was expecting a short debate.
With that said, I’ll also address his strengths:
Thoroughly addressed how the Mazo’s physical strength was irrelevant in how it was going to deal with Manda V2’s fighting style which is good because Manda V2 is a game changer and further supported that with a scan.
Successfully addressed why Asura Path couldn’t negate Kabuto’s game changers as he established that Asura Path has a bloodstream, therefore, doesn’t alter Nagato’s anatomy. He even went on to present compelling evidence from its DB3 Entry that completely contradicted Edogawa’s premise which was amazing.
Successfully established why Nagato’s chakra rods in CQC were useless through the properties of Kidoumaru’s armor.
He also refuted Edogawa’s argument on how the chakra rods countered Kimimaru’s bones as well as Preta Path countering Kidoumaru’s Arrow and even presented a scan that supported that only Kidoumaru’s liquid substances contained chakra.
Perfectly demonstrated how the Mazo’s rods couldn’t subdue Manda V2 due to its agility.
Elaborated on how Kabuto could bypass one of Nagato’s strongest defenses with clones.
He even went further beyond on how Kabuto had the edge in CQC due to Kimimaro’s special Taijutsu ability coupled with Jirobo’s immense physical strength.
Convinced me how Chibaku Tensei could be countered through summoning Manda V2.
Successfully addressed why Asura Path couldn’t negate Kabuto’s game changers as he established that Asura Path has a bloodstream, therefore, doesn’t alter Nagato’s anatomy. He even went on to present compelling evidence from its DB3 Entry that completely contradicted Edogawa’s premise which was amazing.
Successfully established why Nagato’s chakra rods in CQC were useless through the properties of Kidoumaru’s armor.
He also refuted Edogawa’s argument on how the chakra rods countered Kimimaru’s bones as well as Preta Path countering Kidoumaru’s Arrow and even presented a scan that supported that only Kidoumaru’s liquid substances contained chakra.
Perfectly demonstrated how the Mazo’s rods couldn’t subdue Manda V2 due to its agility.
Elaborated on how Kabuto could bypass one of Nagato’s strongest defenses with clones.
He even went further beyond on how Kabuto had the edge in CQC due to Kimimaro’s special Taijutsu ability coupled with Jirobo’s immense physical strength.
Convinced me how Chibaku Tensei could be countered through summoning Manda V2.
As for weaknesses:
He wasn’t convincing enough initially when Edogawa presented Asura Path’s Databook Entry.
Didn’t really explain how Hydra could subdue Cerberus and didn’t explain how his poison could overcome its incredible regeneration and didn’t explain how Manda V2 was going to dispatch the other summons.
He didn’t really address why Asura Path didn’t have strength rivaling Senjutsu users.
Didn’t thoroughly explain how clones would bypass Nagato’s defense and Edogawa wasn’t necessarily sure how he would it because it wasn’t properly explained. It was also genuinely confusing to me because Nagato can increase the area of Shinra Tensei or apply Asura Path in any direction, so I wasn’t convinced on how he would accomplish it.
While you may have applied Edogawa’s logic against him, I wasn’t convinced on how Muki Tensei could encompass such a large scale considering it’s only effective in areas that restrain movement. If it covered such a large scale, that wouldn’t be necessary.
It was great that you related Hashirama’s Mokuton to Kabuto’s Muki Tensei, but that only indicated that they had a similar functionality, not that it had the potential to encompass such a vast scope.
Didn’t really explain how Hydra could subdue Cerberus and didn’t explain how his poison could overcome its incredible regeneration and didn’t explain how Manda V2 was going to dispatch the other summons.
He didn’t really address why Asura Path didn’t have strength rivaling Senjutsu users.
Didn’t thoroughly explain how clones would bypass Nagato’s defense and Edogawa wasn’t necessarily sure how he would it because it wasn’t properly explained. It was also genuinely confusing to me because Nagato can increase the area of Shinra Tensei or apply Asura Path in any direction, so I wasn’t convinced on how he would accomplish it.
While you may have applied Edogawa’s logic against him, I wasn’t convinced on how Muki Tensei could encompass such a large scale considering it’s only effective in areas that restrain movement. If it covered such a large scale, that wouldn’t be necessary.
It was great that you related Hashirama’s Mokuton to Kabuto’s Muki Tensei, but that only indicated that they had a similar functionality, not that it had the potential to encompass such a vast scope.
Verdict:
I think this was a relatively close match with Edogawa initially targeting Kabuto’s trump cards and thoroughly explained how each of his trump cards were useless in front of Nagato while he also capitalized on how Nagato reigned superior in both the close and long range game. On the contrary, Brother Numpsay managed to not only address Edogawa’s argument, but also provided other substantiated arguments to consider. However, there can only be one winner and if I were to choose, it’d have to be Brother Numpsay.
I wasn’t sold on how Brother Numpsay’s analogy used was incorrect in justifying how the Mazo would defeat Manda V2 and Brother Numpsay perfectly countered how the chakra rods wouldn’t even reach it in the first place. He also established that Manda V2 and Hydra would defeat Nagato’s Summons which is fair because he explained how Manda V2 could defeat the Mazo though the only thing that was ambiguous to me was how Kabuto’s poison would defeat Cerberus. With all that considered, I think the strongest point that was presented was that Kabuto would have a substantial edge against Nagato in CQC, especially after refuting Edogawa’s argument on Asura Path’s strength through his DB3 Entry that indicated that the damage generated from Asura’s attack was through radiant energy and he also addressed why Nagato couldn’t counter White Rage and Tayuya’s Genjutsu. Without that resistance, there’s not much else Nagato can do and Edogawa should’ve presented a counter-argument for that instead. I still don’t believe that Kabuto could bypass Shinra Tensei as easily as Brother Numpsay mentioned, but, he did explain how Kabuto’s trump cards could affect Nagato, elaborated on how Kabuto’s techniques can bypass Preta Path and defeat Nagato in CQC, and also mentioned a potential counter against Chibaku Tensei if he were to summon Manda V2.
Overall, Brother Numpsay wins, but it was a great match nonetheless.
I wasn’t sold on how Brother Numpsay’s analogy used was incorrect in justifying how the Mazo would defeat Manda V2 and Brother Numpsay perfectly countered how the chakra rods wouldn’t even reach it in the first place. He also established that Manda V2 and Hydra would defeat Nagato’s Summons which is fair because he explained how Manda V2 could defeat the Mazo though the only thing that was ambiguous to me was how Kabuto’s poison would defeat Cerberus. With all that considered, I think the strongest point that was presented was that Kabuto would have a substantial edge against Nagato in CQC, especially after refuting Edogawa’s argument on Asura Path’s strength through his DB3 Entry that indicated that the damage generated from Asura’s attack was through radiant energy and he also addressed why Nagato couldn’t counter White Rage and Tayuya’s Genjutsu. Without that resistance, there’s not much else Nagato can do and Edogawa should’ve presented a counter-argument for that instead. I still don’t believe that Kabuto could bypass Shinra Tensei as easily as Brother Numpsay mentioned, but, he did explain how Kabuto’s trump cards could affect Nagato, elaborated on how Kabuto’s techniques can bypass Preta Path and defeat Nagato in CQC, and also mentioned a potential counter against Chibaku Tensei if he were to summon Manda V2.
Overall, Brother Numpsay wins, but it was a great match nonetheless.
