Does Kisame Wreck Classic Gokage? (Individually)

[Haizaki]

ight. I'll take this L gracefully. Pt.2 Gaara would though and that's all that I was originally arguing vs Evani. So we gooood.

Pt 2. Gaara doing so as a counter to water dome that takes a panel isn't going to happen when he'll be overwhelmed and carried high above. Gaara doing so as a counter when water dome can be formed at once if the environment flooded with Kisame's water?

Know this, as long as Gaara stands on Kisame's water, he can't escape water dome and the guy has no intel to begin with. If Kisame from the getgo spits colliding wave in its large form, he can at any point in time form a dome. He spat colliding wave and in less that a panel, B was in mid air already caught in the dome as it was formed. His footing was lost for him to balance properly and Gaara, isn't going to use sand Tsunami to cover the Dome when he's in it. LOL. Gaara isn't going to settle down to use Tsunami when he has to swim to save his life and say he does settle down to use Tsunami, that does nothing to Kisame (I explained in my old post) while Gaara continuously using big moves like that to battle a chakra beast (who surpasses his entire organization when it comes to chakra) is bad for him as he spoke about his chakra being precious.

 

[DrProof]

Pt 2. Gaara doing so as a counter to water dome that takes a panel isn't going to happen when he'll be overwhelmed and carried high above. Gaara doing so as a counter when water dome can be formed at once if the environment flooded with Kisame's water?

Know this, as long as Gaara stands on Kisame's water, he can't escape water dome and the guy has no intel to begin with. If Kisame from the getgo spits colliding wave in its large form, he can at any point in time form a dome. He spat colliding wave and in less that a panel, B was in mid air already caught in the dome as it was formed. His footing was lost for him to balance properly and Gaara, isn't going to use sand Tsunami to cover the Dome when he's in it. LOL. Gaara isn't going to settle down to use Tsunami when he has to swim to save his life and say he does settle down to use Tsunami, that does nothing to Kisame (I explained in my old post) while Gaara continuously using big moves like that to battle a chakra beast (who surpasses his entire organization when it comes to chakra) is bad for him as he spoke about his chakra being precious.

Wait on the counter Yungin'. Gaara > Kisame

 

[Haizaki]

Wait on the counter Yungin'. Gaara > Kisame

I'm just stating because I'm not going to bother repeating myself if I have to. My last post wrapped it up and there's nothing else one needs to stretch when it comes to this topic. Paragraphs upon paragraphs isn't needed considering you tried arguing Pt1 Gaara is superior in terms of AOE to 30% Kisame let alone the real Kisame. His chakra is off the charts if it surpasses even Nagato and till you realize that and the fact that his little version of colliding wave while using his 30% clone could entirely cover one region with a ridiculous amount of water, this argument is as good as pointless.

 

[Jinrou]

The trees are bigger than the pillars.

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Kisame, Bee and Raikage are all comparable in height and look how Kisame & Bee are in contrast to the trees compared to Raikage in contrast to the pillars.

That scan doesn't show the entire height of the trees though..Only the base.

Now look at a zoomed in image of the Edo Kage in comparison with a pillar by their left in the top panel

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Those pillars (at least some of them) were humongous and we see that those pillars compared to the Susanoo definitely look small.

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Again, I'm looking at that water dome and tbh it's doesn't look as impressive as you're making it out to be except I'm missing something?

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The trees look like they cover a favourable part of its height and it's width pales in comparison to the meteor. Your red line bottom scaling does not support what we saw in the manga.

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As we see in the first panel of the first image and in the others, the meteor blocks out the sky in the entire vicinity. The bottom of that meteor had a great width in comparison with humans and is even more evident when we see Ohnoki fly to what should be the centre to lighten it.

 

[DrProof]

I'm just stating because I'm not going to bother repeating myself if I have to. My last post wrapped it up and there's nothing else one needs to stretch when it comes to this topic. Paragraphs upon paragraphs isn't needed considering you tried arguing Pt1 Gaara is superior in terms of AOE to 30% Kisame let alone the real Kisame. His chakra is off the charts if it surpasses even Nagato and till you realize that and the fact that his little version of colliding wave while using his 30% clone could entirely cover one region with a ridiculous amount of water, this argument is as good as pointless.

Then it was agreed on that Pt.2 Gaara > Kisame's AoE @ 30%, especially when we can't infer, or have any actual proof that his WD or techniques would be @ a larger quantity at higher chakra levels. :lol like bruh. I ate up your arguments, and didn't even use Gaara's full arsenal. You don't have to respond, I'll take it as a concession. I honestly give zero f*cks.

You can claim your post "wrapped" shit up, but in reality, it wasn't shit because at the end of the day Gaara spanks. But I'll let you think what you think g.

 

[Haizaki]

Then it was agreed on that Pt.2 Gaara > Kisame's AoE @ 30%, especially when we can't infer, or have any actual proof that his WD or techniques would be @ a larger quantity at higher chakra levels. :lol like bruh. I ate up your arguments, and didn't even use Gaara's full arsenal. You don't have to respond, I'll take it as a concession. I honestly give zero f*cks.

You can claim your post "wrapped" shit up, but in reality, it wasn't shit because at the end of the day Gaara spanks. But I'll let you think what you think g.

That's funny from someone who thinks Kimmimaro is much more durable and physically stronger than Kisame? Lol and you can go ahead and keep the other points you didn't feel like bringing in if that's what you're insinuating(even though the unnecessary long post wasn't needed :lol) because I don't think I'll be interested in seeing points that are similar to Pt1 Gaara's AOE> Kisame's. Please keep them. The same way you talk about not caring is far from the way I don't because yes, I addressed what I needed to be addressed to the fullest.

 

[Zexion~]

Still think its crazy how people can know the sand contains chakra and not think it can be absorbed because of a un-clear series of events.....what properties prevent it from getting absorbed exactly?

 

[KidGamer65]

Still think its crazy how people can know the sand contains chakra and not think it can be absorbed because of a un-clear series of events.....what properties prevent it from getting absorbed exactly?

Maybe the Sand outside of the gourd doesn't contain chakra. Deidara's observation notes that his gourd sand is different and stronger because it's infused with chakra. Has there ever been a scan that states Gaara controls sand in the environment by putting chakra into it? Cause all that was said is that this ability originates from Shukaku.

 

[Zexion~]

Maybe the Sand outside of the gourd doesn't contain chakra. Deidara's observation notes that his gourd sand is different and stronger because it's infused with chakra. Has there ever been a scan that states Gaara controls sand in the environment by putting chakra into it? Cause all that was said is that this ability originates from Shukaku.

I posted the DB scan in the group that said the sand's attributes depend on the chakra applied

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this was when Gaara was using sand from the environment as well.

 

[KidGamer65]

I posted the DB scan in the group that said the sand's attributes depend on the chakra applied

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this was when Gaara was using sand from the environment as well.

Hmm, then yeah, there is chakra in it.

Meh, oh well. :lol

 

[Zexion~]

Hmm, then yeah, there is chakra in it.

Meh, oh well. :lol

Lmaoooooo wonder what Proof will say to try and contradict this now.

 

[Zexion~]

No. I really I'm not sure I've seen a more beautiful post. Almost brought tears to my eyes. #Intelligencefeat xD Ty and Gaara solos.

That said though, I just wanted to point out a fact everyone seems to be missing. Gaara can control his chakra infused sand (obviously) but he can also control regular sand aka non chakra infused sand. Even if the chakra gets absorbed, saying the sand's just falls off is wrong as Gaara as manipulated regular sand many times in the manga.

- Deidara explains the sand in his gourd is

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and then we have a scan of gourd less Gaara

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- His sand tsunamis aren't chakra infused too. I say this because of the aerial sand bulwark Gaara used to protect Suna from Deidara. The DB states Gaara increases it's defensive properties by flowing chakra through it and we saw the outcome of Gaara flowing his chakra through a construct made entirely from large amounts of sand.

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- He simply manipulates sand out of

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seriously DatGaara.

- And then his Desert layered imperial funeral is chakraless

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If it weren't, it would definitely have been mentioned.

Honourable mention include the start of his fight against Deidara where he raises sand from the desert without even looking in its direction.

Gaara's gourd sand is chakra infused to make it faster and stronger. Gaara still very much holds the ability to manipulate regular sand.

Edit: Didn't realize Deidara already makes it clear he can manipulate regular sand with his statement in the bottom panel

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Literally 99% of the techniques in the DB don't have their chakra properties (as in how much chakra is needed to be put in etc.) mentioned also that is a terrible translation I saw it on google myself.

-CM Seal?
-Shukaku's body of sand? (this jutsu was used long after Gaara lost Shukaku)

Not to mention as I stated a similar jutsu was clearly stated to have chakra attributed within it.


lol @ Deidara scan that proves my point more than yours and should be obvious how.

 

[Edogawa]

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You're overthinking it. Author doesn't draw everything to scale. We've been given a direct view of the dome and mountain next to each other, showing they are comparable in size. If the dome couldn't engulf the forest, then it means the forest in Bee vs Kisame fight is bigger than the pillars.

 

[DrProof]

Lmaoooooo wonder what Proof will say to try and contradict this now.

Contradict what? Preta Path didn't absorb the sand obviously. That's the only thing I ever stated, and FT proved such. Don't state shit I didn't say Zex nigguh. lmao

 

[DrProof]

That's funny from someone who thinks Kimmimaro is much more durable and physically stronger than Kisame? Lol and you can go ahead and keep the other points you didn't feel like bringing in if that's what you're insinuating(even though the unnecessary long post wasn't needed :lol) because I don't think I'll be interested in seeing points that are similar to Pt1 Gaara's AOE> Kisame's. Please keep them. The same way you talk about not caring is far from the way I don't because yes, I addressed what I needed to be addressed to the fullest.

You've gotten a little cocky haven't you :lol. Go back to being humble kiddo, it suits you better, seems like you're trying to hard rn. Kimimaro is more durable than Kisame, due to his KKG. If you can't see that, than it is, what it is. Don't really care to respond to the rest.

 

[Zexion~]

Contradict what? Preta Path didn't absorb the sand obviously. That's the only thing I ever stated, and FT proved such. Don't state shit I didn't say Zex nigguh. lmao

I don't understand why Mei saying what she said means 100% that Gaara's sand can't be absorbed :lol as I have said the sand didn't need chakra there to remain onto Madara when the water was pushing it onto him constantly.

 

[Haizaki]

Zexion wow. Surprised that was you but good one.

You've gotten a little cocky haven't you :lol. Go back to being humble kiddo, it suits you better, seems like you're trying to hard rn. Kimimaro is more durable than Kisame, due to his KKG. If you can't see that, than it is, what it is. Don't really care to respond to the rest.

Lol I'm not cocky. Never will. Your first post explains your cockiness and my response shows I'm not.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't understand why Mei saying what she said means 100% that Gaara's sand can't be absorbed :lol as I have said the sand didn't need chakra there to remain onto Madara when the water was pushing it onto him constantly.

Lmao and now you've lost me, because this makes no sense.

 

[DrProof]

I don't understand why Mei saying what she said means 100% that Gaara's sand can't be absorbed :lol as I have said the sand didn't need chakra there to remain onto Madara when the water was pushing it onto him constantly.

:lol that makes no sense g. If the water which was mixed in with the lightning was being absorbed their whole plan to stop preta path was fruitless, which wouldn't make sense, because why would Kishi devise a plan like that to only makes it void? He wouldn't.

Literally, Mei was saying stop absorbing so the sand would stop clogging up the usage of preta. If Madara did that then he would be struck by water + lightning combo paralyzing him.

Nothing more to it.

 

[Zexion~]

Lmao and now you've lost me, because this makes no sense.

It was in the water dragon.....water dragon was hitting Madara the sand was in the water dragon so it had something physical to keep it from falling off Madara constantly.

The force from the water dragon was holding up the sand and that is simply another explanation if you don't simply want to believe that Preta pulled in the sand itself.


@Proof don't know what your first part means but SHE SAID THAT BECAUSE ABSORBING THE WATER BROUGHT THE SAND TO HIM