Edo Hiruzen vs Kakuzu

[The Messiah]

Location: Orochimaru vs Hiruzen

Distance: 20 meters

Intel: None for both sides except Kakuzu knows Hiruzen is edo

Restrictions: None

 

[Zexion~]

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[The Messiah]

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What ?

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao. Could've sworn this thread was made not too long ago. Maybe I'm just imaging things.

Either way, Hiruzen wins. Better offense than Kakuzu. Better defense than Kakuzu. Fodderizes Kakuzu in CQC. Better in long and mid range due to better offense and defense.

 

[Zexion~]

Lmao. Could've sworn this thread was made not too long ago. Maybe I'm just imaging things.

Either way, Hiruzen wins. Better offense than Kakuzu. Better defense than Kakuzu. Fodderizes Kakuzu in CQC. Better in long and mid range due to better offense and defense.

No.......CQC Kakuzu shits

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lmao. Could've sworn this thread was made not too long ago. Maybe I'm just imaging things.

Either way, Hiruzen wins. Better offense than Kakuzu. Better defense than Kakuzu. Fodderizes Kakuzu in CQC. Better in long and mid range due to better offense and defense.

I agree Hiruzen wins but how is he going to fodderize Kakuzu in cqc?

 

[The Messiah]

Lmao. Could've sworn this thread was made not too long ago. Maybe I'm just imaging things.

Either way, Hiruzen wins. Better offense than Kakuzu. Better defense than Kakuzu. Fodderizes Kakuzu in CQC. Better in long and mid range due to better offense and defense.

Idk i probably didn't see it.

 

[KidGamer65]

No.......CQC Kakuzu shits

Hiruzen would obliterate this guy in CQC.

-Enma as offense and defense.
-Shuriken that can be combined with Raiton or Fuuton to handle any threads. (If Sasuke, B and fodder samurai can stream chakra then the master of all 5 elements can do so as well)
-Raiton alone can handle threads.

Threads, elements and Domu are Kakuzu's main CQC strong points and Hiruzen already hard counters all of them.

 

[Zexion~]

Hiruzen would obliterate this guy in CQC.

-Enma as offense and defense.
-Shuriken that can be combined with Raiton or Fuuton to handle any threads. (If Sasuke, B and fodder samurai can stream chakra then the master of all 5 elements can do so as well)
-Raiton alone can handle threads.

Threads, elements and Domu are Kakuzu's main CQC strong points and Hiruzen already hard counters all of them.

:lol by that logic Kakuzu can stream his threads with raiton/fuuton to counteract this which would be much more beneficial for Kakuzu in debating scnearios than Hiruzen so phrase your arguments carefully.

Enma is useless either gets tangled in summon form or thrown away in pole form, Hiruzens only raiton is piercing so while he could use it in CQC Kakuzu has a quickly activated fuuton to counteract this (not to mention its not a close range jutsu)

Hiruzen wins but no way does he win in CQC threads shit on this guy.

 

[KidGamer65]

:lol by that logic Kakuzu can stream his threads with raiton/fuuton to counteract this which would be much more beneficial for Kakuzu in debating scnearios than Hiruzen so phrase your arguments carefully.

Enma is useless either gets tangled in summon form or thrown away in pole form, Hiruzens only raiton is piercing so while he could use it in CQC Kakuzu has a quickly activated fuuton to counteract this (not to mention its not a close range jutsu)

Hiruzen wins but no way does he win in CQC threads shit on this guy.

Metal weapons and threads are obviously not the same thing. All chakra streaming has been done via weaponry, metal weaponry. Not threads. :lol Dafuq? Not sure how you thought that one was gonna fly here.

Enma being useless because of threads doesn't matter because Hiruzen has a separate counter to his threads.

And no, threads literally do nothing to Hiruzen in CQC. He has far too many counters for it no matter the range. Whether it be chakra streaming through weapons, or his Katon and Raiton.

 

[Zexion~]

Metal weapons and threads are obviously not the same thing. All chakra streaming has been done via weaponry, metal weaponry. Not threads. :lol Dafuq? Not sure how you thought that one was gonna fly here.

Enma being useless because of threads doesn't matter because Hiruzen has a separate counter to his threads.

And no, threads literally do nothing to Hiruzen in CQC. He has far too many counters for it no matter the range. Whether it be chakra streaming through weapons, or his Katon and Raiton.

False Bee was streaming raiton onto pencils, no reason threads can't have chakra streamed over them so stop.

Katon does what? Don't think it could burn the wiry threads quick enough to stop anything, and again raiton he has is piercing its not very handy for stopping the threads :lol

 

[TheSages456]

Hiruzen wins since his techniques possess significantly greater scale than Kakuzu's as shown against Zetsu's buddha. Shadow clones would counter Kakuzu's hearts with the elemental nature that counters it. Emna counters Kakuzu in cqc easily.

 

[EZQ]

I disagree at Hiruzen having a best defence, he has a better moveset overall that allows him to geta way around Kakuzu wouldn't, but defence itself goes to Kakuzu because of domu, and the fact that he got cut in X shape by two fodders in the war arc, and the regen didn't start, meaning that if he wasn't an edo, that wouldn't have been considered "damage".

OT, Hiruzen wins low diff, low-med diff at best, but it could be a stomp.

 

[Lord Tywin]

He is better than Kakuzu in cqc based on the fact that he almost dodged Juubito's attack, which is >>>>>>>anything kakuzu can do

 

[KidGamer65]

False Bee was streaming raiton onto pencils, no reason threads can't have chakra streamed over them so stop.

Katon does what? Don't think it could burn the wiry threads quick enough to stop anything, and again raiton he has is piercing its not very handy for stopping the threads :lol

Lmao. Regardless of all that. When streaming chakra through weapons it has always shown to be one at a time. Shuriken have bladed edges, so Fuuton and Raiton would increase their penetrative power. Kakuzu's Fuuton has no such thing going for it so why would Kakuzu's chakra streaming be able to counter Hiruzen's? :lol.

If it's coming at him as thick as it was when Kakuzu used his Jiongu against Naruto then no, but if it's ordinary threading then it should burn it pretty easily. I

 

[KidGamer65]

I disagree at Hiruzen having a best defence, he has a better moveset overall that allows him to geta way around Kakuzu wouldn't, but defence itself goes to Kakuzu because of domu, and the fact that he got cut in X shape by two fodders in the war arc, and the regen didn't start, meaning that if he wasn't an edo, that wouldn't have been considered "damage".

OT, Hiruzen wins low diff, low-med diff at best, but it could be a stomp.

Enma is better or at the very least equal to Domu, but Hiruzen isn't left completely immobile when it's being used.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hiruzen would obliterate this guy in CQC.

-Enma as offense and defense.
-Shuriken that can be combined with Raiton or Fuuton to handle any threads. (If Sasuke, B and fodder samurai can stream chakra then the master of all 5 elements can do so as well)
-Raiton alone can handle threads.

Threads, elements and Domu are Kakuzu's main CQC strong points and Hiruzen already hard counters all of them.

Hiruzen can't manipulate his raition around shurikens so thats fanfic lol. Samurai didn't have raition blade they used raw chakra.

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[KidGamer65]

Hiruzen can't manipulate his raition around shurikens so thats fanfic lol. Samurai didn't have raition blade they used raw chakra.

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That's literally the same thing Ninja do, but with elemental chakra instead of regular chakra.

If Darui, B, Danzo and Sasuke can flow chakra through their weapons then there's zero reason the master of all 5 elements with higher Ninjutsu scores than all of them bar Sasuke, who he's tied with (score wise) wouldn't be able to do the same.

 

[super yang]

hiruzen has better defense & skill/technique.

kakuzu has better resilience, durability & strength/physicality.

 

[DrProof]

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Whoops. Disagree with Hiruzen having a better defense. Hiruzen has Domu, and Jiongu. Jiongu is lets him avoid physical attacks all together, due to his body structure.