Edo Hiruzen vs Kakuzu

[TRE MERCER]

That's literally the same thing Ninja do, but with elemental chakra instead of regular chakra.

If Darui, B, Danzo and Sasuke can flow chakra through their weapons then there's zero reason the master of all 5 elements with higher Ninjutsu scores than all of them bar Sasuke, who he's tied with (score wise) wouldn't be able to do the same.

I see i agree with this it would be a big stretch for me to still try and deny this something like how you were still denying Kisame takes Samehada durability in that thread when Forbidden tech gave perfect example.

I agree he can stream ration blades.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He is better than Kakuzu in cqc based on the fact that he almost dodged Juubito's attack, which is >>>>>>>anything kakuzu can do

Almost don't count.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see i agree with this it would be a big stretch for me to still try and deny this something like how you were still denying Kisame takes Samehada durability in that thread when Forbidden tech gave perfect example.

I agree he can stream ration blades.

Lmao I need to go read those posts first.

 

[EZQ]

Enma is better or at the very least equal to Domu, but Hiruzen isn't left completely immobile when it's being used.

But it doesn't cover his body like domu does. For example if we talk about lets say the almighty atsugai, Enma cage has windows while domu wouldn't leave other openings. I do agree that Enma is a better thing overall by far, but if we talk about just defence, the ability to tank an attack, they're equal except on the attacks that Domu gets the kind of advantage i mentioned. Domu gg

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[KidGamer65]

But it doesn't cover his body like domu does. For example if we talk about lets say the almighty atsugai, Enma cage has windows while domu wouldn't leave other openings. I do agree that Enma is a better thing overall by far, but if we talk about just defence, the ability to tank an attack, they're equal except on the attacks that Domu gets the kind of advantage i mentioned. Domu gg

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I guess you have a point here. Though against Atsugai Enma would block the vast majority of the damage regardless of the holes.

And lmao what is with this peanut theme account?

 

[EZQ]

I guess you have a point here. Though against Atsugai Enma would block the vast majority of the damage regardless of the holes.

And lmao what is with this peanut theme account?

I love peanut <3

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I studied mr peanut in school as a perfect example of capitalism takig over everything. Then i found some nasty shit about him on the internet and i remembered him lmao. Idk just want him to be my new forum image

 

[TRE MERCER]

What is Enma level of durability it was cannonly getting hurt by Kusangi blade. I remember some clown said Enma would rip right through Manda lol.

 

[DrProof]

I love peanut <3

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I studied mr peanut in school as a perfect example of capitalism takig over everything. Then i found some nasty shit about him on the internet and i remembered him lmao. Idk just want him to be my new forum image

Can you stop lol.

 

[EZQ]

What is Enma level of durability it was cannonly getting hurt by Kusangi blade. I remember some clown said Enma would rip right through Manda lol.

It tanked all of Kusagani's attack. Databook states it's diamond or something like that. Domu is diamond morph.

 

[DrProof]

Actually, I forgot I did research this. Enma's durability properties are similar to that of Kakuzu's Domu, without the Raiton. Both take on the properties of Diamond. So I retract my statement that Domu puts Kakuzu on a higher level of defense than Hiruzen.

Enma = Doton: Domu in durability. Only thing Enma has over the technique is no elemental weakness.

 

[ToshiZO]

Domu puts Kakuzu on a higher level defensively simply because it can cover his whole body.

 

[EZQ]

Can you stop lol.

I won't stop until capitalism does

 

[TRE MERCER]

It tanked all of Kusagani's attack. Databook states it's diamond or something like that. Domu is diamond morph.

Except Enma said he can't take much more of it.

 

[DrProof]

Domu puts Kakuzu on a higher level defensively simply because it can cover his whole body.

So can Enma.

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[DrProof]

Except Enma said he can't take much more of it.

Because Kusanagi can cut through ANYTHING. Being able to take one strike of Kusanagi is a feat in itself.

 

[ToshiZO]

So can Enma.

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Except it doesn't. Someone blasts a fireball that way, and Hiruzen will be cooked and no where for him to run. An effective frying pan lol.

 

[DrProof]

Except it doesn't. Someone blasts a fireball that way, and Hiruzen will be cooked and no where for him to run. An effective frying pan lol.

If Enma can take on that form, what makes you think Enma can't assume a more closed off transformation like this:

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Enma obviously can manipulate himself into as many staffs, at any size/width/length as he wants, seeing as he instantly became a damn prison at the mention of Hiruzen's word.

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[ToshiZO]

I don't know and I don't care lol. Enma is an outside entity, Kakuzu's skin literally becomes his defense, so it has no holes in it. It will always be more complete than Enma in how much it covers the user.

 

[DrProof]

I don't know and I don't care lol. Enma is an outside entity, Kakuzu's skin literally becomes his defense, so it has no holes in it. It will always be more complete than Enma in how much it covers the user.

Enma is the superior defense. Get over it. Take this L gracefully, and admit you're wrong. Kakuzu is one of my favorites, and I can see this clear as day. Hiruzen is the superior in defense.

Enma = Doton: Domu without the Raiton weakness, and with the ability to change into whatever he wishes. Both offensively, and defensively.

 

[ToshiZO]

Enma is the superior defense. Get over it. Take this L gracefully, and admit you're wrong. Kakuzu is one of my favorites, and I can see this clear as day. Hiruzen is the superior in defense.

Enma = Doton: Domu without the Raiton weakness, and with the ability to change into whatever he wishes. Both offensively, and defensively.

Lmfao no. Kakuzu's defense has absolutely no holes in it. It is weak to lightning that's it. Enma can be worked around with any element.

Shoot a water dragon through that, fireball, wind tech (atsugai) etc. etc. they all leave Hiruzen exposed in one way or another.