Sasuke's Chakra Control is something else ... Part I.

[shelke]

I don't think he's saying that the Rinnegna provides chakra control, although it would be stupid to deny that all of their overall abilities were increased through their power ups (Such as; Chakra pool, chakra control, strength, speed, durability, life force, etc.,) -- I think he's saying that Sasuke utilized a Path to help sort out the Bijuu Chakra (Outer Path) in order to place it into his Susano'o.

Still it's Sasuke's feat regardless, he's just saying he utilized a technique to do it rather than just 'doing it'. If that makes sense, or if I'm reading his posts right.

Nothing indicates that Sasuke's CC improved via Rinnegan. The manga makes no such claims. "The Universal Grasp of all things" on the other hand does. Nobody denied the pool, strength and potency augmentations. This thread has nothing to do with it. It's an impressive feat, because PS isn't Mezo. Sasuke made a Mezo out of it. It was an unseen feat that shocked an entity nearly as old as the Jubi. If anyone could have done it, the mangaka wouldn't have made it a big deal about it through Kurama.

 

[shelke]

Dude Naruto matches his feat with his own NE. Hed turn to stone if he couldnt control it. He merges his, fox, and NE.

Regarding Susano'o, they dont imagine and create it. Sharingan determines what it looks like. It goes through stages on its own based on emotions. You are dead wrong about Susano'o.

Like I said before without Rinnegan he cant mold all that chakra. Just like Naruto needs his bijuu affinities/chakra.

Call it fanfic but you know its true.

I am gonna keep this short: post manga scans for everything and we'll call it a day. Just one for your claims. Otherwise, fiction it is.

Sharingan ... what? This guy! Yeah, I am done entertaining you. This is fan-fiction is on another level.

 

[lndra]

When did they ever stop rustling?



Since when is PS a Mezo vessel? Since when can anyone use it in a manner Sasuke did?

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On that note, when has anyone used CT without a core? It's pretty clear to the narrative that Sasuke's Rinnegan is stronger than the normal, which would only be Madara's, through Madara and Nagato's example of course. Not sure about Hagoromo, but since Sasuke received that power up from the S06P, it makes sense for his Dojutsu to be in a league of it's own.

Nothing indicates that Sasuke's CC improved via Rinnegan. The manga makes no such claims. "The Universal Grasp of all things" on the other hand does. Nobody denied the pool, strength and potency augmentations. This thread has nothing to do with it. It's an impressive feat, because PS isn't Mezo. Sasuke made a Mezo out of it. It was an unseen feat that shocked an entity nearly as old as the Jubi. If anyone could have done it, the mangaka wouldn't have made it a big deal about it through Kurama.

Except the Manga made it pretty clear that the claim was that Sasuke used Outer Path to bring forth the Bijuu Chakra, using the Susano'o as the vessel since the GedoM wasn't there.

 

[Jokule67]

What do you mean by that anyway? Which part of Rinnegan grants Chakra control? Post a scan.

Which path allows to mold the chakra? I cannot wait to read this!

Sorry, but that is Frog Sage Mode's problem. Both Kabuto and Hashirama absorb and put out access NE to use techs. Furthermore, Kurama made the three-headed avatar and Kurama sent in the NE. Again, you absolutely fail to back up your claim that Naruto matches Sasuke in manner here.

So just assume sasuke has this innate power to remotely absorb/manipulate chakra?

You really think he combined those chakras without using Rinnegan? Cmon man you know the answer to that.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Naruto sharing Kurama's chakra with the alliance was similar to what Hagoromo did in the past as well, so it's hardly incomparable.

 

[Jokule67]

I am gonna keep this short: post manga scans for everything and we'll call it a day. Just one for your claims. Otherwise, fiction it is.

Sharingan ... what? This guy! Yeah, I am done entertaining you. This is fan-fiction is on another level.

How is Sasuke ur favorite but you dont know how Susano'o works. You think they draw a lic and create it? It comes spontaneously, constantly changing form until its final stage is reached.

Why do I need to post scans you already saw lol. You can just fact check me.

 

[Jokule67]

Naruto sharing Kurama's chakra with the alliance was similar to what Hagoromo did in the past as well, so it's hardly incomparable.

Dont be suprised when he asks for a scan like he missed the whole manga.

 

[Jokule67]

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On that note, when has anyone used CT without a core? It's pretty clear to the narrative that Sasuke's Rinnegan is stronger than the normal, which would only be Madara's, through Madara and Nagato's example of course. Not sure about Hagoromo, but since Sasuke received that power up from the S06P, it makes sense for his Dojutsu to be in a league of it's own.


Except the Manga made it pretty clear that the claim was that Sasuke used Outer Path to bring forth the Bijuu Chakra, using the Susano'o as the vessel since the GedoM wasn't there.

In conclusion, thank goodness for Rinnegan.

 

[shelke]

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On that note, when has anyone used CT without a core? It's pretty clear to the narrative that Sasuke's Rinnegan is stronger than the normal, which would only be Madara's, through Madara and Nagato's example of course. Not sure about Hagoromo, but since Sasuke received that power up from the S06P, it makes sense for his Dojutsu to be in a league of it's own.

Except the Manga made it pretty clear that the claim was that Sasuke used Outer Path to bring forth the Bijuu Chakra, using the Susano'o as the vessel since the GedoM wasn't there.

Precisely my point. A PS isn't a Mezo; he forcefully made it into a Mezo. A Mezo is a Jubi husk; a natural empty shell of all Bijuu chakra. A PS is nothing like the Mezo. Not even close. Which is why Kurama is so impressed, as it's a monumental feat that made Kurama put him at the Sage's level.

That is a path tech; this feat isn't. Other than pulling chakra, everything else he did had nothing to do with Rinnegan. Nothing at all. It was all Sasuke and advanced CC.

Never claimed that Sasuke did pull the Bijuu Chakra through OP. This thread doesn't even cover that argument. It talks about what happened after. Mind you, OuterPath pull has never been used in a way Sasuke did. It always requires a Mezo at the other end. Which makes this feat that much more impressive.

So just assume sasuke has this innate power to remotely absorb/manipulate chakra?

You really think he combined those chakras without using Rinnegan? Cmon man you know the answer to that.

Does the manga mention it? No. Does the manga hint it? No. Does Kurama claim it? No. In fact, he outright buries this argument into the ground: he is doing it in the exact opposite manner; COAT uses Rinnegan, Sasuke's feat didn't.

 

[shelke]

Naruto sharing Kurama's chakra with the alliance was similar to what Hagoromo did in the past as well, so it's hardly incomparable.

Chakra kneaded by Kurama first.

How is Sasuke ur favorite but you dont know how Susano'o works. You think they draw a lic and create it? It comes spontaneously, constantly changing form until its final stage is reached.

Why do I need to post scans you already saw lol. You can just fact check me.

No man, I need the scans. Refresh my memory. Everyone's memory.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Dont be suprised when he asks for a scan like he missed the whole manga.

and then he'll try to insist it has zero merit as usual because it doesn't fit his narrative xd

 

[WalksInShadows]

Chakra kneaded by Kurama first.

and Sasuke need his Rinnegan. You're point being?

 

[shelke]

and then he'll try to insist it has zero merit as usual because it doesn't fit his narrative xd

Circle-jerk in-coming! Puppet-show on!

 

[shelke]

Will answer the rest of the questions tomorrow.

and Sasuke need his Rinnegan. You're point being?

A self-made, fictional argument that has no basis in the manga. Post the scan where it states that Sasuke did this feat or controls chakra as pointed in the OP because of Rinnegan. I can wait. We can all wait.

 

[lndra]

Precisely my point. A PS isn't a Mezo; he forcefully made it into a Mezo. A Mezo is a Jubi husk; a natural empty shell of all Bijuu chakra. A PS is nothing like the Mezo. Not even close. Which is why Kurama is so impressed, as it's a monumental feat that made Kurama put him at the Sage's level.

Well sort of. The Susano'o is basically a giant container, both Madara/Sasuke have used the Susano'o this way. Whether it's taking in the Kyuubi and it's chakra, or another example, Juugo's Senjutsu. The difference is, Sasuke utilized OP in this form to pull in multiple sources at once, creating something new. That's the magic of his skill.

Never claimed that Sasuke did pull the Bijuu Chakra through OP. This thread doesn't even cover that argument. It talks about what happened after. Mind you, OuterPath pull has never been used in a way Sasuke did. It always requires a Mezo at the other end. Which makes this feat that much more impressive.

Uh, the fact that Kurama said that he's using the Susano'o as the Gedo, means he's using Outer Path. Outer Path by the way, is when Madara used the Gedo to take in the Bijuu's. Sasuke did the same thing, but with the Susano'o.

That is Outer Path. I really can't explain it any clearer.

 

[WalksInShadows]

A self-made, fictional argument that has no basis in the manga. Post the scan where it states that Sasuke did this feat or controls chakra as pointed in the OP because of Rinnegan. I can wait. We can all wait.

you're more predictable than a dead clock. We both know how this is going to play out, and i'm not wasting my time or effort on it.

 

[90sKids98]

Yes, obviously Sasuke's CC is superior to every other shinobi, but of course the reality of this thread is meant to downplay Naruto's CC which is beyond greater. He's able to take chakra from the bijuu and manipulate it to his liking, and is capable of taking that chakra and handing it others perfectly without fail.

 

[Im Still Robin]

Sasuke indeed manga fact wise has the best chakra control.

Basically rewrote what the Sage did in his version, but in reverse.

With a new rinnegan too. It's not debatable The Last and or Adult Sasuke is stronger than Naruto.

 

[Kakooli]

Sasuke indeed manga fact wise has the best chakra control.

Basically rewrote what the Sage did in his version, but in reverse.

With a new rinnegan too. It's not debatable The Last and or Adult Sasuke is stronger than Naruto.

A fact confirmed by Naruto himself.

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[Warlocks]

Susanoo itself requires an immense amount of CC

didn't knew