[VS] Kimmimaro VS Neji

[Simbv]

still the point is since it uses Byakugan and is similiar to hyuga's vaccum palm it will do internal damage and that should be much worse than what vaccum palm will do


still it was not even implied that naruto recieved internal damage

Sorry the point I made was not clear. What I was trying to imply is that the Hyuga's Gentle fist have been known to attack the users chakra point and cause damage from emitting chakra through their palms and finger tips. Air Palm shoots a pressurized blast from their palms and is used in conjunction with Byakugan. While Kaguya's technique is also used in conjunction with Byakugan, the technique forms huge-chakra fist which punches down on the opponent. Hyuga's don't use their fist to cause internal damage, only their palms and finger tips. It is stated to be similar, IMO, because of the air pressure while also using Byakugan. Even though it is used with Byakugan, it doesn't explicitly state anywhere in the manga that it targets "Vital Spots" like Air Palm is stated to also.

 

[BLAZE]

Sorry the point I made was not clear. What I was trying to imply is that the Hyuga's Gentle fist have been known to attack the users chakra point and cause damage from emitting chakra through their palms and finger tips. Air Palm shoots a pressurized blast from their palms and is used in conjunction with Byakugan. While Kaguya's technique is also used in conjunction with Byakugan, the technique forms huge-chakra fist which punches down on the opponent. Hyuga's don't use their fist to cause internal damage, only their palms and finger tips.

@bold didn't hinata state she will use 64 palms while covering her whole fist with chakra [

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Juuho Soushiken拳に宿す強き意思！！
Strong will held in the fists!!
その姿双頭の獅子の如し！！
Its form is double lion heads!!
日向一族の中でも宗家にしか伝わっていない、柔拳秘伝高等体術。両手から放出するチャクラを形態変化させることで、リーチと破壊力を格段に向上させる。その腕はまるで獅子のような様相を呈し、触れた相手の経絡系を喰らい尽くすのだ。
A secret high-level juuken technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyuuga clan. By changing the shape of chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the chakra network of those they touch.
チャクラコントロールを少しでも誤ると失敗するため、習得は極めて困難緻密な技量と“白眼”があればこその芸当である。
Because it will fail at even the slightest mistake in chakra control, it is extremely difficult to learn this ability, which is a feat that requires the Byakugan.

It is stated to be similar, IMO, because of the air pressure while also using Byakugan. Even though it is used with Byakugan, it doesn't explicitly state anywhere in the manga that it targets "Vital Spots" like Air Palm is stated to also.

why else she will use Byakugan then

 

[Simbv]

@bold didn't hinata state she will use 64 palms while covering her whole fist with chakra [

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why else she will use Byakugan then

To help make sure the attack lands? If you're trying to say it damages vital organs then you would be supporting my claim instead of denying it,as to why air Palm hits vital organs or else Neji wouldn't need Byakugan to use it.

But, it also doesn't state that God Palm targets or shuts down the chakra network(Jyuken does both) which is the biggest denominator. If it did, Naruto's cloak would have been drained from an attack of that magnitude and he would have most likely died considering the size of Kaguya's Chakra Fist. It wouldn't make since that he would get hit by an attack that is bigger than him and also hits vital organs and come out still able to fight and NOT be dead or severely injured.

 

[BLAZE]

To help make sure the attack lands?

nope read

when coupled with Kaguya's perfect dojutsu, it has the potential to become the strongest offensive ability.The Hyuga clan uses a similar vacuum palm attack

the only diff it states is power

If you're trying to say it damages vital organs then you would be supporting my claim as to why air Palm hits vital organs or else Neji wouldn't need Byakugan to use it.

Same is true for kaguya

But, it also doesn't state that God Palm targets or shuts down the chakra network(Jyuken does both) or else Naruto's cloak would have been drained from an attack of that magnitude.

yes but it didn't

 

[Simbv]

nope read
the only diff it states is power

Same is true for kaguya
yes but it didn't

Than you see where this doesn't make sense. There is a huge difference, it isn't stated to target vital spots, only to be similar to air Palm. Similar can mean many things, if it was exactly the same but wayy more powerful then it would have said that. Those fist are huge, bigger than Naruto, if they targeted vital organs he would be dead or severely injured. Not come out still able to fight.My claim is air Palm hits vital spots, which is heavily back by the Databook, and God Palm doesn't, or else Naruto's cloak would have been drained and/or he would have died or been severely injured. I have nothing else to add.

 

[Haizaki]

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How did Neji manage to pass chakra through this?

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That's not a web and this had been the basis of your argument.

Kidomaru's golden armor specifically blocks chakra once it makes contact with the air as he stated here in the bottom scan

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which includes the Gentle fist chakra..Kimmi's bone doesn't do so and doesn't function this way. Kidoumaru won't need to specifically mention the fact that his armor blocks all chakra after touching the. Not even hit or so but chakra.

Kimmimaro's bones do in fact contain chakra. Icelerate gave a good reason for the strength increasing with his CM2 state and the fact that Shikotsumyaku, Kimmimaro's KKG is ninjutsu and originated from Kaguya's Ninjutsu ability to manipulate her bone structure as stated in the DB4.

 

[Private Investigator]

How did Neji manage to pass chakra through this?

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That's not a web and this had been the basis of your argument.

Kidomaru's golden armor specifically blocks chakra once it makes contact with the air as he stated here in the bottom scan

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which includes the Gentle fist chakra..Kimmi's bone doesn't do so and doesn't function this way. Kidoumaru won't need to specifically mention the fact that his armor blocks all chakra after touching the. Not even hit or so but chakra.

Kimmimaro's bones do in fact contain chakra. Icelerate gave a good reason for the strength increasing with his CM2 state and the fact that Shikotsumyaku, Kimmimaro's KKG is ninjutsu and originated from Kaguya's Ninjutsu ability to manipulate her bone structure as stated in the DB4.

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Kidomaru was said to be capable of molding the sticky gold into any shape/form he wanted. Here you see it as a very thin string:

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It's pretty obvious, as to why he was capable of sending chakra up the cord, the cord had pierced the inside of him, opening up an entry as to how he'd distribute his chakra back up to Kidomaru.

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Kimimaro's bones do function in the same way, KG explained it, and I can explain it as well. Chakra was simply used to create the bone, chakra isn't located in the substance. Even so, Gentle Fist has never shown to work on solid substances without entry ways.

 

[Private Investigator]

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Chakra can also be used to mold the bone further strengthening it as done with CM. Simply enhancing a physical attributes, doesn't imply chakra being withheld.

 

[Simbv]

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First you said they do contain chakra now they don't? Which one is it? Chakra flows through every organ and a bone is a organ. Pick a side.

 

[Private Investigator]

First you said they do contain chakra now they don't? Which one is it? Chakra flows through every organ and a bone is a organ. Pick a side.

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If you read. I said if we infer. Infer means if we were to guess. I even used quotation marks to symbolize I was inferring.

 

[Simbv]

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A bone is a organ, organs have chakra, kimis bones must have chakra.

 

[Private Investigator]

A bone is a organ, organs have chakra, kimis bones must have chakra.

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Kimimaro is capable of forming x amount of new bones by molding them with chakra. I've already explained this to you repeatedly. Molding =/= containing. That's like saying just because I use my own phyiscal energy to mold a clay bowl in art class, that the energy I used to create it, resides inside of the bowl. It doesn't.

 

[Simbv]

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This isn't art class. This is Naruto Verse. It wouldn't make sense for kimis bones not to contain chakra after he rips them from his body as they are still living. Every living thing needs chakra to survive or else they would die. We all know what happens when bones die, they lose their hardness become brittle and break easily.

 

[neosmith500]

the only diff it states is power

If ur saying the only difference is power then ur basically accepting that Jyuken Chakra is loaded into the Palms and shot via Air-palm using the same vacuum shell method Kaguya uses only Air palm pinpoints and actually Thrusts through Vitals with tremendous force , instead of launching a barrage of Fist..

 

[Jinrou]

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The manga scan I posted says it blocks chakra. It blocks
chakra from entering his body

Exactly. The manga scan says the bold but gave no specifics. The underlined is something that is true overall but the context you are using it in is what seems wrong to me as it wasn't stated it's blocking his sweat pores and that's why jyuken couldn't pass through.

The sweat pores thing was only mentioned to show how the thing comes to form on Kidomaru's body.

I interpret the 'blocks all chakra' statement as the armor doesn't allow chakra in at all..nor even in the armor itself

While if I'm not mistaken, you interpret it as it doesn't allow chakra enter the body through the pores?

I'm not saying my opinion is fact..but your interpretation has a flaw in it.
Earlier you pointed out that the armor was wrecked by gentle fist?

But that would imply chakra actually seeped into the armor and if it can seep into the armor to wreck it, what's stopping it from seeping into the part that's blocking the pores too?

Kimi's bones do not have the ability to stop chakra. Nothing in the manga implies bones can stop chakra from passing through.

As for the Web, that's incorrect. The Web was so thick that it couldn't be cut by Kunai. So it most definitely wasn't mushy.

 

[Edogawa]

Chakra points are located all around the body - internally and externally. Chakra is flowing through the bones too, as said.

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Kimmimaro generates his bones using Chakra; while they may be actual bones, Gentle Fist affects internal damage specifically, which would shut down the Chakra flowing through the bones and this would negate manipulation of Shikotsumyaku. The bones don't have that much of external durability to imply they could shield the internal points from being hit. This is how I see it.

Kimmimaro is disgustingly overrated. It should be clear that War Arc progressed characters have surpassed P1 characters, so Neji comfortably beats Kimmimaro.

 

[Private Investigator]

This isn't art class. This is Naruto Verse. It wouldn't make sense for kimis bones not to contain chakra after he rips them from his body as they are still living. Every living thing needs chakra to survive or else they would die.

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Inclined to believe Kimimaro's bones are actually dead; hence the name: Dead Bone Pulse. The drawback of his KKG was possibly the disease known as: Osteonecrosis, meaning death of bone. Dead bone cells are capable of reforming, and the calcium cells (obviously) stay as are. It's actually the most reasonable case, that Kimimaro's bones are indeed dead. Completely debunking your argument.

Especially when its said that Kimimaro is capable of manipulating the bone density, and overall properties of the bone through the calcium cells. Deteriorating, and becoming brittle, and weak are out of the question thanks to that very manga fact.

 

[Private Investigator]

The manga scan I posted says it blocks chakra. It blocks
chakra from entering his body

Exactly. The manga scan says the bold but gave no specifics. The underlined is something that is true overall but the context you are using it in is what seems wrong to me as it wasn't stated it's blocking his sweat pores and that's why jyuken couldn't pass through.

The sweat pores thing was only mentioned to show how the thing comes to form on Kidomaru's body.

I interpret the 'blocks all chakra' statement as the armor doesn't allow chakra in at all..nor even in the armor itself

While if I'm not mistaken, you interpret it as it doesn't allow chakra enter the body through the pores?

I'm not saying my opinion is fact..but your interpretation has a flaw in it.
Earlier you pointed out that the armor was wrecked by gentle fist?

But that would imply chakra actually seeped into the armor and if it can seep into the armor to wreck it, what's stopping it from seeping into the part that's blocking the pores too?

Kimi's bones do not have the ability to stop chakra. Nothing in the manga implies bones can stop chakra from passing through.

As for the Web, that's incorrect. The Web was so thick that it couldn't be cut by Kunai. So it most definitely wasn't mushy.

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I'm not arguing this anymore here. If you want to further discuss this just VM me.

 

[Simbv]

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Fanfiction at best. Bones become brittle and break easily when dead. The fact that Kimi bone would be dead is stupid considering the fact that bones need nutrients(and chakra in this case) to keep from dying out. Try again.

 

[Private Investigator]

Fanfiction at best. Bones become brittle and break easily when dead. The fact that Kimi bone would be dead is stupid considering the fact that bones need nutrients(and chakra in this case) to keep from dying out.

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The technique is called dead bone pulse. There are multiple ways to contract Osteonecrosis; Diseases such as:
Cancer
Lupus
HIV
Gaucher’s disease
Caisson disease
Gout
Vasculitis
Osteoarthritis
Osteoporosis
Blood disorders such as sickle cell disease.

Out of one of those Kimimaro had one undoubtedly, and I can go through every single one, and tell you which he had if you want. Dead bones still contain their calcium cells, which is what Kimimaro used to make his bones stronger/harder, along with the molding of chakra.

Think about why Kimimaro was dying from some weird illness, and then think about why Kishimoto decided to give him something with the English translation: Dead bone pulse. Simple.

Call this fanfiction, and I know somethings wrong. Because this is fact in regards to the disease, and possibly the naming symbolization.