[VS] Kimmimaro VS Neji

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Forget his disease, explain to me how the bones could live on without chakra, after being made with chakra and also after being ripped from his chakra network. You still haven't proven to me that their isn't a chakra network inside his bones even though the manga states otherwise. I shall be waiting patiently. Your theory about jyuken not being able to pass through a hard substance is faulty at best. You made an interesting connection but it doesn't add up when you think about certain factors.
 
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Why? The argument pertains to the point you made with respect to the match up of this vs thread. I'll rather we iron it out here.

PS: You also keep mentioning Jyuken hasn't been used on something solid but tbh Kidomaru's web can classify somewhat as a solid ( ) and we've seen Neji channel chakra through said web because it doesn't have the ability to block chakra like Kido's golden armor.
 

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If im to take ur argument without a grain of salt then how would Neji's chakra be able to pass through Hinata's metal headband when the headband shouldn't have any openings or pores??
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If Hinata had the ability to form masks of that same metal directly under her skin throughout her whole body then the Jyuken Chakra Neji sent would've hit a dead-end similar to wat ur saying would happen with Kimimaro's correct?

-Now take a look at the Viz which states that Kidomaro's Golden Armor "Specifically doesn't let Chakra pass through it"..
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-Kido's Armor has two properties , it instantly hardens when it touches the Air , and 'It Doesn't let Chakra through" , Now show me where it was stated in Manga that Kimimaro's Bones have that same perk of not letting Chakra through..
 
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Why? The argument pertains to the point you made with respect to the match up of this vs thread. I'll rather we iron it out here.

PS: You also keep mentioning Jyuken hasn't been used on something solid but tbh Kidomaru's web can classify somewhat as a solid ( ) and we've seen Neji channel chakra through said web because it doesn't have the ability to block chakra like Kido's golden armor.
Are you daft? If you're GOING to link a scan of something, and try to pose it off as fact, at least make sure you have all the information first. My statement still stands, Gentle Fist hasn't been used on anything solid with no opening. Neji CLEARLY had an opening to inject his chakra to disperse the webbing:

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At the top, the webbing is connected to multiple areas on his skin, connecting his attached pours, to the webbings innards. Which is why at the BOTTOM of the page, Neji began focusing his chakra with the webs connected to his hands as well, which was why Neji was capable of destroying the web.

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ON TOP OF ALL THAT. This webbing was the same used in the same manner Haizaki tried to come at me with. Because in the same scan I linked above, it says the webbing is made from his chakra, and BODILY FLUID. The same BODY FLUID he used to create his weapons.
Kidomaru was said to be capable of molding the sticky gold into any shape/form he wanted. Here you see it as a very thin string:
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It's pretty obvious, as to why he was capable of sending chakra up the cord, the cord had pierced the inside of him, opening up an entry as to how he'd distribute his chakra back up to Kidomaru.
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Kimimaro's bones do function in the same way, KG explained it, and I can explain it as well. Chakra was simply used to create the bone, chakra isn't located in the substance. Even so, Gentle Fist has never shown to work on solid substances without entry ways.
Don't come at me with half-assed arguments that you two-cently put together.

If im to take ur argument without a grain of salt then how would Neji's chakra be able to pass through Hinata's metal headband when the headband shouldn't have any openings or pores??
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If Hinata had the ability to form masks of that same metal directly under her skin throughout her whole body then the Jyuken Chakra Neji sent would've hit a dead-end similar to wat ur saying would happen with Kimimaro's correct?

-Now take a look at the Viz which states that Kidomaro's Golden Armor "Specifically doesn't let Chakra pass through it"..
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-Kido's Armor has two properties , it instantly hardens when it touches the Air , and 'It Doesn't let Chakra through" , Now show me where it was stated in Manga that Kimimaro's Bones have that same perk of not letting Chakra through..
Firstly, I appreciate the rep you gave me. Secondly if you start flexing in front of people I will tear you down, just have a cordial debate with me. Now, you're really reaching when you say Neji struck Hinata through her headband; their entire fight they were assuming the style of open-palmed strikes:

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Read what Gai says: "While Hyuga causes damage by flowing their chakra into the opponent's inner coils system." Ok, and then look what he says next: "A technique that destroys the inner organs, a "Gentle Fist" style."

Heavy emphasis on: "destroys the inner organs."

Now I'm getting to the good part, just be patient. The chakra pathways surround every organ:

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Kakashi then reinstates what I said before, that the both Neji, and Hinata were fighting open-palmed:

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So get the notion that Hyuga are capable of channeling chakra through solid substances that have no openings. Because, like I keep stressing, they cannot.

On to your next accusation. Lol, I have no idea why you got the viz, when the manga scans from NB say the exact same thing. But kudos to you. Everything I said in the beginning in regards to nullyfying your Neji struck through Hinata's headband (a solid) argument applies here seeing as both are solids, and Kimimaro's bones are a solid.

So there goes your argument. But, I thank you for actually finding the Viz, so I can shut Jinrou up with it. +rep.
 
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Firstly, I appreciate the rep you gave me. Secondly if you start flexing in front of people I will tear you down, just have a cordial debate with me. Now, you're really reaching when you say Neji struck Hinata through her headband; there entire fight they were assuming the style of open-palmed strikes:
What? Its clear as day that Neji never struck her with a open palm attack in that instance since he was using tenketsu attacks which emits chakra from the fingers and scan shows that it was sent directly through the headband via a finger directly touching the Headband.




On to your next accusation. Lol, I have no idea why you got the viz, when the manga scans from NB say the exact same thing. But kudos to you. Everything I said in the beginning in regards to nullyfying your Neji struck through Hinata's headband (a solid) argument applies here seeing as both are solids, and Kimimaro's bones are a solid.

So there goes your argument. But, I thank you for actually finding the Viz, so I can shut Jinrou up with it. +rep.
Lmao , Kido's armor has two properties , it harden when it touches air and it doesn't let chakra through it , bring a scan saying Kimi's does the same or u have no argument here bro..
 

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Are you daft? If you're GOING to link a scan of something, and try to pose it off as fact, at least make sure you have all the information first. My statement still stands, Gentle Fist hasn't been used on anything solid with no opening. Neji CLEARLY had an opening to inject his chakra to disperse the webbing:

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At the top, the webbing is connected to multiple areas on his skin, connecting his attached pours, to the webbings innards. Which is why at the BOTTOM of the page, Neji began focusing his chakra with the webs connected to his hands as well, which was why Neji was capable of destroying the web.

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ON TOP OF ALL THAT. This webbing was the same used in the same manner Haizaki tried to come at me with. Because in the same scan I linked above, it says the webbing is made from his chakra, and BODILY FLUID. The same BODY FLUID he used to create his weapons.

Don't come at me with half-assed arguments that you two-cently put together.



so I can shut Jinrou up with it. +rep.
No..sorry I don't think i'm daft lol...But you should know I only linked that scan to show you the density/thickness of the webbing. You are claiming it was connected to his pores and that's why he cut them but I'm of the opinion he used his hands though lol

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We clearly see that Neji is channeling his chakra from his hand into a part of the web that obviously cannot have the pores that you keep harping on about.

And lol at the bold...The viz actually strengthens the claim everyone has against you which is "Does Kimimaro's bones have the ability to stop chakra?" You keep claiming solid solid....but man that's not what Kidomaru said stopped the chakra lol
 
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What? Its clear as day that Neji never struck her with a open palm attack in that instance since he was using tenketsu attacks which emits chakra from the fingers and scan shows that it was sent directly through the headband via a finger directly touching the Headband.






Lmao , Kido's armor has two properties , it harden when it touches air and it doesn't let chakra through it , bring a scan saying Kimi's does the same are u have no argument here bro..
No. No. No. No. I have no idea why you are continuing to spout this bullshit. Chakra cannot pass through solid substances with no entry way! That's nonsensical. No where in the manga panel does it emphasize Neji sending chakra throughout his finger through her headband. In the bottom scan:

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The reason why the scan shows his fingers, and not his whole palm was to capture the STATE Hinata was in due to the OPEN-PALMED ATTACK Neji had used. Neji struck her heart, causing her to have a minor heart attack, triggering the common symptom of vomiting - Hinata then vomited blood! This is NOT hard to understand.

EVERY TIME Neji attacked, sending chakra through out his palms was when he ACTUALLY MADE CONTACT with Hinata's skin:

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Stop reaching so much lord. Just admit you're wrong.

I don't need a scan to prove the obvious. Holy hell. Kimimaro's bones are SOLID. FACT. How else would they have been able to nearly penetrate Gaara's defenses, and withstand Sand Burial? Think, before you speak.

GENTLE FIST CHAKRA cannot pass through SOLID SUBSTANCES WITH NO ENTRY WAYS. Why is this so hard to understand.
 
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No..sorry I don't think i'm daft lol...But you should know I only linked that scan to show you the density/thickness of the webbing. You are claiming it was connected to his pores and that's why he cut them but I'm of the opinion he used his hands though lol

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We clearly see that Neji is channeling his chakra from his hand into a part of the web that obviously cannot have the pores that you keep harping on about.

And lol at the bold...The viz actually strengthens the claim everyone has against you which is "Does Kimimaro's bones have the ability to stop chakra?" You keep claiming solid solid....but man that's not what Kidomaru said stopped the chakra lol
IS it truly hard to read? I even made a detailed description depicting how Neji was capable of sending his CHAKRA throughout the web. If the SOLID has an opening Neji can SEND his chakra through the substance destroying it/harming the user.

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THE SUBSTANCE HAD AN INCISION MADE FROM THE IMPACT. LOOK HOW NEJI IS SMILING. Neji realized this, and he did what I previously showed:

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NO you truly are daft because of this rhetorical statement you just made: "part of the web that obviously cannot have the pores" WEBS DON'T HAVE PORES. Pores are on human skin, that allow gases, liquids, and microscopic particles to pass EG; CHAKRA IN THE NINJA WORLD.

Kimimaro's bones are solid. Gentle Fist Chakra cannot pass through SOLID MATERIAL WITHOUT AN ENTRY WAY. NO ENTRY WAY = NO INDUCTING CHAKRA INTO. END. OF. STORY. Lord.

No the Viz does not strength your claim. It completely nullifies it. You were talking about Chidori would not be able to pierce Kidomaru's golden armor, which is stupid in its own right. The lightning for Chidori is used to enhance the puncturing. Golden Armor merely disallows chakra from PASSING THROUGH INTO KIDOMARU, it doesn't stop the brunt.
 

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No. No. No. No. I have no idea why you are continuing to spout this bullshit. Chakra cannot pass through solid substances with no entry way! That's nonsensical. No where in the manga panel does it emphasize Neji sending chakra throughout his finger through her headband. In the bottom scan:


The reason why the scan shows his fingers, and not his whole palm was to capture the STATE Hinata was in due to the OPEN-PALMED ATTACK Neji had used. Neji struck her heart, causing her to have a minor heart attack, triggering the common symptom of vomiting - Hinata then vomited blood! This is NOT hard to understand.
Dude first stop denying the manga when it clear as day wat happened , Neji struck her headband directly with his FINGER and the chakra went through the headband and traveled to her inner organs as its clear as day wat the manga showed..



Stop reaching so much lord. Just admit you're wrong.
The irony is real.


I don't need a scan to prove the obvious. Holy hell. Kimimaro's bones are SOLID. FACT. How else would they have been able to nearly penetrate Gaara's defenses, and withstand Sand Burial? Think, before you speak.
U keep bringing up this solid bs argument without bringing any scans to show that thsi was the reason why Jyuken never breached Kido's armor , yet Kido specifically states that its a perk attributed to his Fluid specifically , NOBODY said that Kimimaro's bones arn't Solid and thats irrelevant , wats relevant is u bringing a scan that says Kimim's bones has the specific perk of blocking Chakra like Kidomaru's can.

GENTLE FIST CHAKRA cannot pass through SOLID SUBSTANCES WITH NO ENTRY WAYS. Why is this so hard to understand.
All im seeing is ur fan-fiction , wheres the scan that proves ur argument??
 
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IS it truly hard to read? I even made a detailed description depicting how Neji was capable of sending his CHAKRA throughout the web. If the SOLID has an opening Neji can SEND his chakra through the substance destroying it/harming the user.

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THE SUBSTANCE HAD AN INCISION MADE FROM THE IMPACT. LOOK HOW NEJI IS SMILING. Neji realized this, and he did what I previously showed:

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NO you truly are daft because of this rhetorical statement you just made: "part of the web that obviously cannot have the pores" WEBS DON'T HAVE PORES. Pores are on human skin, that allow gases, liquids, and microscopic particles to pass EG; CHAKRA IN THE NINJA WORLD.

Kimimaro's bones are solid. Gentle Fist Chakra cannot pass through SOLID MATERIAL WITHOUT AN ENTRY WAY. NO ENTRY WAY = NO INDUCTING CHAKRA INTO. END. OF. STORY. Lord.

No the Viz does not strength your claim. It completely nullifies it. You were talking about Chidori would not be able to pierce Kidomaru's golden armor, which is stupid in its own right. The lightning for Chidori is used to enhance the puncturing. Golden Armor merely disallows chakra from PASSING THROUGH INTO KIDOMARU, it doesn't stop the brunt.
Lmao..bro wth are you saying?

- The arrow completely pierced through Neji to the other side

- The gaping hole is from Neji's body. The Web connected to the arrow doesn't look cut. So there are no openings into the web lol
Edit: Incision? what incision lol...Your arrow points to what looks like blood on the web though lol

- Neji doesn't even send his chakra through the injury. He uses his hand on a separate part of the web and we clearly see where the chakra is entering from lol

Sorry man..but now it looks like you are reaching lol.

And the viz completely shows Kido was unaffected by gentle fist because the armor blocks Chakra..not because it's a solid which would have been stated if that was the case lol.. So again, does kimi's bones have the ability to stop chakra? If so, scans please?
 
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Dude first stop denying the manga when it clear as day wat happened , Neji struck her headband directly with his FINGER and the chakra went through the headband and traveled to her inner organs as its clear as day wat the manga showed..





The irony is real.




U keep bringing up this solid bs argument without bringing any scans to show that thsi was the reason why Jyuken never breached Kido's armor , yet Kido specifically states that its a perk attributed to his Fluid specifically , NOBODY said that Kimimaro's bones arn't Solid and thats irrelevant , wats relevant is u bringing a scan that says Kimim's bones has the specific perk of blocking Chakra..



All im seeing is ur fan-fiction , wheres the scan that proves ur argument??
OKAY. Firstly you are basing your statement off of NOTHING. IN THE ENTIRE FIGHT, NEJI WAS SHOWN TO ATTACK HINATA WITH PALM STRIKES, ON THE OCCASIONAL ATTACK WITH HIS FINGER TIPS, HE'D ONLY SEND OUT CHAKRA WHEN MAKING CONTACT WITH HER SKIN EG; ENTRY WAY = PORES.

You have no TRUE EVIDENCE that Neji channeled CHAKRA throughout his FINGER TIPS into the HEADBAND A SOLID OBJECT WITH NO ENTRY WAY INTO HER BODY. HIS PALM (IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A PALM IS LET ME SHOW YOU)

Also known as the broad palm or metacarpus, it consists of the area between the five phalanges (finger bones) and the carpus (wrist joint). Located in the palm are 17 of the 34 muscles that articulate the fingers and thumb, and are connected to the hand skeleton through a series of tendons.

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OK I SEE I HAVE TO BABY YOU. KIDOMARU'S SECRET NINJUTSU ALLOWS HIS SWEAT TO HARDEN WITH THE TOUCH OF AIR. CREATING A SOLID SUBSTANCE WITH NO HOLES. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE:

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THIS TECHNIQUE IS AS SIMPLE AS THEY COME. The reason for why GENTLE FIST CHAKRA cannot bypass the armor is BECAUSE the armor has no ENTRY WAY is acts as a CANVAS, A FILTER, AN EXTRA LAYER TO BLOCK FOREIGN CHAKRA FROM ENTERING, AND STRIKING AT CHAKRA POINTS/DISRUPTING HIS CHAKRA.

KIMIMARO ACTS IN THE SAME WAY, BUT DIRECTLY BELOW THE PORES. GENTLE FIST CHAKRA WOULD ATTEMPT TO ENTER THE PORES, BUT WOULD BE BLOCKED OUT. BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLE LOGIC THAT GENTLE FIST CHAKRA CANNOT ENTER SUBSTANCES/OBJECTS WITH NO ENTRY WAYS!
 

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He's right about Kimimaro's bones having the exact same properties and perks as Kido's armor which was stated to specifically block Chakra? How is he right about this?
You have to understand that Kido's ability is merely a layer of blockade. His ability stems from the very fact that yes Gentle Fist cannot be inserted into physical objects of no entry way. It makes no sense too believe such, when Hyuga have not ever done such. What makes me kind of disappointed in some of you is that you're calling him a troll when he's absolutely correct, and KG as well said the same about him.

Posting off my iPhone will prolly have typos lol.
 

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Dude first stop denying the manga when it clear as day wat happened , Neji struck her headband directly with his FINGER and the chakra went through the headband and traveled to her inner organs as its clear as day wat the manga showed..





The irony is real.




U keep bringing up this solid bs argument without bringing any scans to show that thsi was the reason why Jyuken never breached Kido's armor , yet Kido specifically states that its a perk attributed to his Fluid specifically , NOBODY said that Kimimaro's bones arn't Solid and thats irrelevant , wats relevant is u bringing a scan that says Kimim's bones has the specific perk of blocking Chakra like Kidomaru's can.



All im seeing is ur fan-fiction , wheres the scan that proves ur argument??

Eh, Why does he need to present a scan when his logic makes sense? Why would Kishimoto draw Neji's entire palm on Hinata's chest if he was trying to show readers that Neji only touched the headband with his finger? Chakra can shroud solid objects but it can't directly pass through them because if it did then Bee's chakra would have surrounded the Executioner's Blade as well:

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Can kimimaro even cover whole body with bones? Or he just remakes/replace broken or removed bones? If he covers his whole body with bone, how he will be able to move? Strange.
 
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