[VS] Kimmimaro VS Neji

[neosmith500]

OKAY. Firstly you are basing your statement off of NOTHING. IN THE ENTIRE FIGHT, NEJI WAS SHOWN TO ATTACK HINATA WITH PALM STRIKES, ON THE OCCASIONAL ATTACK WITH HIS FINGER TIPS, HE'D ONLY SEND OUT CHAKRA WHEN MAKING CONTACT WITH HER SKIN EG; ENTRY WAY = PORES.

You have no TRUE EVIDENCE that Neji channeled CHAKRA throughout his FINGER TIPS into the HEADBAND A SOLID OBJECT WITH NO ENTRY WAY INTO HER BODY. HIS PALM (IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A PALM IS LET ME SHOW YOU)

LMFAO , dude manga literally takes a dump on eveything ur saying here , Neji was shown to attack Hinata through her headband with his FINGER , ntn more to it..

-So ur saying Neji struck her heart directly with a open Palmed attack then decided to place his fingers on her headband just for fun? ur obviously wrong here bro and puting ur words in all caps isn't gonna change that.

OK I SEE I HAVE TO BABY YOU. KIDOMARU'S SECRET NINJUTSU ALLOWS HIS SWEAT TO HARDEN WITH THE TOUCH OF AIR. CREATING A SOLID SUBSTANCE WITH NO HOLES. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE:


THIS TECHNIQUE IS AS SIMPLE AS THEY COME. The reason for why GENTLE FIST CHAKRA cannot bypass the armor is BECAUSE the armor has no ENTRY WAY is acts as a CANVAS, A FILTER, AN EXTRA LAYER TO BLOCK FOREIGN CHAKRA FROM ENTERING, AND STRIKING AT CHAKRA POINTS/DISRUPTING HIS CHAKRA.

KIMIMARO ACTS IN THE SAME WAY, BUT DIRECTLY BELOW THE PORES. GENTLE FIST CHAKRA WOULD ATTEMPT TO ENTER THE PORES, BUT WOULD BE BLOCKED OUT. BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLE LOGIC THAT GENTLE FIST CHAKRA CANNOT ENTER SUBSTANCES/OBJECTS WITH NO ENTRY WAYS!

Bold u forgot to add that it specifically doesn't let Chakra through either , now bring the scan saying Kimaro's bones doesn't let chakra through or stop quoting..

 

[Private Investigator]

Lmao..bro wth are you saying?

- The arrow completely pierced through Neji to the other side

- The gaping hole is from Neji's body. The Web connected to the arrow doesn't look cut. So there are no openings into the web lol
Edit: Incision? what incision lol...Your arrow points to what looks like blood on the web though lol

- Neji doesn't even send his chakra through the injury. He uses his hand on a separate part of the web and we clearly see where the chakra is entering from lol

Sorry man..but now it looks like you are reaching lol.

And the viz completely shows Kido was unaffected by gentle fist because the armor blocks Chakra..not because it's a solid which would have been stated if that was the case lol.. So again, does kimi's bones have the ability to stop chakra? If so, scans please?

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Can kimimaro even cover whole body with bones? Or he just remakes/replace broken or removed bones? If he covers his whole body with bone, how ge will bebable to move? Strange.

He's done it before. He moved his hands when Gaara sand burial'd him. And underneath was a full mask of bone. If he didn't conjure the bone mask, he'd be dead.

 

[Jinrou]

Eh, Why does he need to present a scan when his logic makes sense? Why would Kishimoto draw Neji's entire palm on Hinata's chest if he was trying to show readers that Neji only touched the headband with his finger? Chakra can shroud solid objects but it can't directly pass through them because if it did then Bee's chakra would have surrounded the Executioner's Blade as well:

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Why would Bee's chakra surround the blade when his intention was to use chakra and enhance his blade to pierce through the sword?

 

[Jinrou]

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He's done it before. He moved his hands when Gaara sand burial'd him.

Bro..I'm sorry but you make no sense.
Arrow pierces through Neji.. Creates gaping hole

Web follows arrow.

Please explain what force after this creates a small incision on a Web that cannot be cut by Kunai?

Worst part is Neji doesn't even channel his chakra through your incision but on an entirely solid part of the web.. What are you saying man!

 

[Waltz]

Why would Bee's chakra surround the blade when his intention was to use chakra and enhance his blade to pierce through the sword?

...'Cause Chakra passes through solid object's on it's own. Rather my question is can Chakra differentiate between the solid Material that comprises Bee's Katana against the solid Material that comprises Sasuke's and in the event they are the same solid material....?​

 

[neosmith500]

You have to understand that Kido's ability is merely a layer of blockade. His ability stems from the very fact that yes Gentle Fist cannot be inserted into physical objects of no entry way. It makes no sense too believe such, when Hyuga have not ever done such. What makes me kind of disappointed in some of you is that you're calling him a troll when he's absolutely correct, and KG as well said the same about him.

Posting off my iPhone will prolly have typos lol.

Yea Kido's armor is merely a layer of Blockage , with the specific perk of Blocking Chakra from passing through it and i already Messaged Kidgamer long ago to get his input straight after making my first post..

-Im not saying that Private investigator isn't being logical which if u read the earlier posts i already noted the logic , but basing it on Kidomaru's armor is where im seeing a problem here.

 

[KidGamer65]

Neosmith is clearly correct here. The fingers were shown while she was coughing up blood to emphasize where he hit her and how he hit her. Not to mention the position his hand is when Hinata tries to withdraw and counter attack is a flat position with the fingers pointed directly at Hinata. [

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] Which wouldn't make sense if he struck her with an open palm.

So yeah, I guess he did strike her through the headband.


And the anime (which I just checked out along with the Manga) shows the same thing, but much clearer.

 

[Red Slayer]

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He's done it before. He moved his hands when Gaara sand burial'd him. And underneath was a full mask of bone. If he didn't conjure the bone mask, he'd be dead.

That is such a bullshit and unlogical shit,makes absolutely no sense, it is like wear FULL iron armor and move. His bones are probably like ruber, am no it is the hardest bone in the series, then how he moves? Makes no sense. Bullshit....

 

[Private Investigator]

Bro..I'm sorry but you make no sense.
Arrow pierces through Neji.. Creates gaping hole

Web follows arrow.

Please explain what force after this creates a small incision on a Web that cannot be cut by Kunai?

Worst part is Neji doesn't even channel his chakra through your incision but on an entirely solid part of the web.. What are you saying man!

Oooooh. Myyyyy. Godddddd.

Webbing CAN ONLY BE SO ELASTIC. TOP THAT OFF WITH THE STRENUOUS, RIGOROUS MOVEMENT ITS SUBJECTED TO, AND THE PUNCTURING OF NOT ONLY NEJI, BUT THE TREES TO THE BACK OF HIM, AND A TEAR WITHIN THE CORD WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN.

BEING ABLE TO CUT THROUGH SOMETHING =/= SELF INCISION THROUGH OVER-EXCEEDING ITS STRETCHING LIMITATION.

F*ck me man. This has got to be the most hilarious, and mind racking "debate" I've ever been in.

WHAT YOU'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EVEN IF THE INCISION WASN'T DIRECTLY GRIPPED CHAKRA WAS STILL CHANNELED THROUGH IT AS THE GATE ENTRY WAY TO MOVE UP THE LINE.

ITS THE SAME AS THE WEBBING ARGUMENT I SHUT YOU DOWN WITH BEFORE:

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The webbing was attached all over his body: head, face, chest, hands etc. Once the opening is connected to his body, that's when chakra can/will be sent through it. It doesn't matter where he grips.

 

[Jinrou]

...'Cause Chakra passes through solid object's on it's own. Rather my question is can Chakra differentiate between the solid Material that comprises Bee's Katana against the solid Material that comprises Sasuke's and in the event they are the same solid material....?​

Can chakra differentiate? I don't think chakra has a mind of its own though.. The manga has always placed emphasis on chakra control.. meaning the chakra does what you want it to do.
Medical ninjas use mystical palm technique to heal by sending chakra into the wounded parts. But just because it's going into the wounded part doesn't mean it's going to go into the entire body system.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Don't be petty FT. He's absolutely correct.

Absolutely incorrect. Juken was seen passing right through Kidomaru's string. Inb4 the incision nonsense, the chakra passed through a complete different spot, which was solid, as what was shown clearly by the manga. Kidomaru's armor stopping chakra is an exclusive ability, that is not shared with every solid object. Then we have Neosmith's point with the headband. Not a chance, Proof.

 

[Private Investigator]

Neosmith is clearly correct here. The fingers were shown while she was coughing up blood to emphasize where he hit her and how he hit her. Not to mention the position his hand is when Hinata tries to withdraw and counter attack is a flat position with the fingers pointed directly at Hinata. [

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] Which wouldn't make sense if he struck her with an open palm.

So yeah, I guess he did strike her through the headband.


And the anime (which I just checked out along with the Manga) shows the same thing, but much clearer.

No I disagree. He attacked open palmed Kidgamer. His finger tips were shown in pane, rather than the rest of his palm (which was shown previous) because it had to emphasize on Hinata choking up blood. Which is a common symptom of a heart attack. The way he withdrew his hand was in a way that symbolized he struck with his palm, not his finger tips.

You can see this by the way he did in fact withdraw.

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Open palmed. I don't know why you're agreeing with them, because if you truly look at it in a logical view point no where in the manga has it ever been shown for chakra to pass through a solid without an entry way (pores/holes etc.)

 

[Jinrou]

Oooooh. Myyyyy. Godddddd.

Webbing CAN ONLY BE SO ELASTIC. TOP THAT OFF WITH THE STRENUOUS, RIGOROUS MOVEMENT ITS SUBJECTED TO, AND THE PUNCTURING OF NOT ONLY NEJI, BUT THE TREES TO THE BACK OF HIM, AND A TEAR WITHIN THE CORD WAS BOUND TO HAPPEN.

BEING ABLE TO CUT THROUGH SOMETHING =/= SELF INCISION THROUGH OVER-EXCEEDING ITS STRETCHING LIMITATION.

F*ck me man. This has got to be the most hilarious, and mind racking "debate" I've ever been in.

WHAT YOU'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EVEN IF THE INCISION WASN'T DIRECTLY GRIPPED CHAKRA WAS STILL CHANNELED THROUGH IT AS THE GATE ENTRY WAY TO MOVE UP THE LINE.

ITS THE SAME AS THE WEBBING ARGUMENT I SHUT YOU DOWN WITH BEFORE:

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The webbing was attached all over his body: head, face, chest, hands etc. Once the opening is connected to his body, that's when chakra can/will be sent through it. It doesn't matter where he grips.

Except the web isn't what puncture Neji..The arrow did. And the arrow head has a wider dimension compared to the thin web that we see lol Meaning the web was just chilling in an arrow head wide hole not in contact with Neji's skin lol

Also when I look back at your 'incision', I realize it isn't even in Neji's body.

- I don't recollect you shutting me down before though and I'm now focusing on Kidomaru's final attack which honestly you've failed to make me understand your point.
- Not explained how incision can possibly happen
- Not explained how Neji channeled his chakra through another portion of the web lol

 

[Edogawa]

The Chakra channelled into Neji's hands should have bounced off the headband, since Chakra-based technique such as Gentle Fist would collide with the headband in manner of repulse. Bones, including Kimmimaro's, are all composed of three materials: compact bone, spongy bone and bone marrow.

''If you were to look at a piece of compact bone without the help of a microscope, it would seem to be completely solid all the way through. If you looked at it through a microscope, however, you would see that it's actually filled with many very tiny passages,*or canals,*for nerves and blood vessels. Compact bone is made of special cells called osteocytes. These cells are*lined up in*rings around the canals. Together, a canal and the osteocytes that surround it are called osteons. Osteons are like thick tubes all going the same direction inside the bone, similar to a bundle of straws with blood vessels, veins, and nerves in the center.''​

Gentle Fist directly hits Chakra points located around the body, which vessels carry in accordance to the author:

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Analogy between Kidomaru's ability to Kimmimaro's KKG is misguidance, because the former is an object constructed from non-organic materials, which have special resistance to Gentle Fist, while Kimmimaro's KKG is composed of organic substance that are weak to Gentle Fist. It's not about how dense Kimmimaro's bones are; Gentle Fist functions by shutting Chakra points, which inevitably hits the Chakra located around the bones, closing them down and negating his ability to create & manipulate them.

All due respect to Kimmimaro's fans, but Neji is a terrible opponent for him. Why this has gone too long is beyond my understanding.

 

[DrProof]

lmaoo ima just sit her and watch. FT boy you better not try and come for the OG. Back back fam, before I hit you with that Tayuya.

 

[KidGamer65]

No I disagree. He attacked open palmed Kidgamer. His finger tips were shown in pane, rather than the rest of his palm (which was shown previous) because it had to emphasize on Hinata choking up blood. Which is a common symptom of a heart attack. The way he withdrew his hand was in a way that symbolized he struck with his palm, not his finger tips.

You can see this by the way he did in fact withdraw.

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Open palmed. I don't know why you're agreeing with them, because if you truly look at it in a logical view point no where in the manga has it ever been shown for chakra to pass through a solid without an entry way (pores/holes etc.)

He didn't withdraw his hand and that's as clear as day if you read the Manga properly and watch the anime. She pulled back to strike first, THEN when she was about to hit him he countered. If he was open palmed when he hit her then his hand would be flat vertically when she pulled away. Watching the anime alone shows you clearly that he struck the headband so you should probably go do that.

And the manga shows it right there, so saying it hasn't happened before isn't evidence of it not happening in that scan.

 

[Private Investigator]

The Chakra channelled into Neji's hands should have bounced off the headband, since Chakra-based technique such as Gentle Fist would collide with the headband in manner of repulse.

Exactly! I'll argue the rest in regards to Kimimaro once we finish arguing this!

 

[Private Investigator]

He didn't withdraw his hand and that's as clear as day if you read the Manga properly and watch the anime. She pulled back to strike first, THEN when she was about to hit him he countered. If he was open palmed when he hit her then his hand would be flat vertically when she pulled away. Watching the anime alone shows you clearly that he struck the headband so you should probably go do that.

And the manga shows it right there, so saying it hasn't happened before isn't evidence of it not happening in that scan.

You're right he didn't withdraw. But that makes it even more clear. His hand is palmed. WE'VE NEVER EVER seen Neji or any Hyuga channel chakra into a solid object with no path ways. Think about it. It makes no sense.

 

[KidGamer65]

You're right he didn't withdraw. But that makes it even more clear. His hand is palmed.

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No, if his hand is in the same position it is when he palmed her chest then there's no reason why his hand would be flat parallel to the ground. It'd be flat perpendicular to the ground.

 

[Edogawa]

Exactly! I'll argue the rest in regards to Kimimaro once we finish arguing this!

I'm not agreeing with your assertion nor I'm agreeing with neosmith500's, either. I'm just sceptic about this. It is true Gentle Fist can't be channelled to non-Chakra objects (headband), unless the Chakra channelled from Neji was lethal enough to bypass it; we don't see any damage on the headband, though.