[VS] Healthy Itachi and Base Minato vs Healthy nagato

[Lord Tywin]

Why is it hard to believe Minato's tags don't have any chakra? Simplest explanation is minato's technique being categorized as space time ninjutsu, with every ST in the manga being shown to require usage of chakra. If the tags have no chakra, they're simply ordinary pieces of paper with writing on them. They definitely should have chakra in them.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why is it hard to believe Minato's tags don't have any chakra? Simplest explanation is minato's technique being categorized as space time ninjutsu, with every ST in the manga being shown to require usage of chakra. If the tags have no chakra, they're simply ordinary pieces of paper with writing on them. They definitely should have chakra in them.

You said a whole lot of nothing here despite typing a paragraph. R
Espcially since i addressed all of this. Hiraishin needing chakra to be used doesnt mean the tag itself has chakra. Nonsensical leap in logic.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

I have a question though, Orochimaru's curse mark on Anko and Sasuke had his chakra within the curse mark because an essence of him came out of the curse mark when Sasuke was fighting Itachi. Minato's FTG has been stated to have turn into a curse mark once it is tagged on an opponent. There both by definition, curse marks, and we've seen chakra within Orochimaru's curse mark placed on others, why wouldn't Minato's curse mark curse mark contain an essence of his chakra?

 

[KidGamer65]

I have a question though, Orochimaru's curse mark on Anko and Sasuke had his chakra within the curse mark because an essence of him came out of the curse mark when Sasuke was fighting Itachi. Minato's FTG has been stated to have turn into a curse mark once it is tagged on an opponent. There both by definition, curse marks, and we've seen chakra within Orochimaru's curse mark placed on others, why wouldn't Minato's curse mark curse mark contain an essence of his chakra?

Hiraishin has never ever been stated to be a curse mark in the same sense as the Curse Seal of Heaven nor do all seals have chakra inside the pattern itself.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

Hiraishin has never ever been stated to be a curse mark in the same sense as the Curse Seal of Heaven nor do all seals have chakra inside the pattern itself.

I'm sorry I made a mistake, the DB defined it as a curse seal and not a curse mark.

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Ah that is true too, but what curse seals have we've seen that didn't contain the casters essence or chakra? Because I honestly don't know.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm sorry I made a mistake, the DB defined it as a curse seal and not a curse mark.

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Ah that is true too, but what seals have we've seen that didn't contain the casters essence or chakra? Because I honestly don't know.

DB describing it as a Curse Seal with a sentence of death is nothing but flavor text. As we've seen in the Manga the tag doesn't work anything like any Curse Seal shown in the Manga. If Minato could warp marked people without touching them then he wouldn't need to act as a meatshield for Gai when the Gudo Dama came at him, nor would he have had to go teleport to Kushina to save her since her sealing pattern has the Hiraishin tag in it. He would've been able to simply summon her directly to him.

The pattern for Naruto's Eight Trigrams Seal doesn't contain chakra inside of it. His chakra simply flows through it though when he uses Kurama's power or anything like that.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

DB describing it as a Curse Seal with a sentence of death is nothing but flavor text. As we've seen in the Manga the tag doesn't work anything like any Curse Seal shown in the Manga. If Minato could warp marked people without touching them then he wouldn't need to act as a meatshield for Gai when the Gudo Dama came at him, nor would he have had to go teleport to Kushina to save her since her sealing pattern has the Hiraishin tag in it. He would've been able to simply summon her directly to him.

The pattern for Naruto's Eight Trigrams Seal doesn't contain chakra inside of it. His chakra simply flows through it though when he uses Kurama's power or anything like that.

Ah I see. Thanks for the clear up.

 

[blazekev90]

DB describing it as a Curse Seal with a sentence of death is nothing but flavor text. As we've seen in the Manga the tag doesn't work anything like any Curse Seal shown in the Manga. If Minato could warp marked people without touching them then he wouldn't need to act as a meatshield for Gai when the Gudo Dama came at him, nor would he have had to go teleport to Kushina to save her since her sealing pattern has the Hiraishin tag in it. He would've been able to simply summon her directly to him.

The pattern for Naruto's Eight Trigrams Seal doesn't contain chakra inside of it. His chakra simply flows through it though when he uses Kurama's power or anything like that.

he had no arms to mold chakra. As I've shown, there's instances in which Minato wields hand seals when using ftg. For the situation he'd have no choice but to use himself as shield for Gai.

Yes, spawn your dying wife to a kunia when she couldn't even stand. He rescued her, consider the context of the situation.

 

[KidGamer65]

he had no arms to mold chakra. As I've shown, there's instances in which Minato wields hand seals when using ftg. For the situation he'd have no choice but to use himself as shield for Gai.

Yes, spawn your dying wife to a kunia when she couldn't even stand. He rescued her, consider the context of the situation.

But that's obviously not required as he's used Hiraishin multiple times without hand signs. So how are you coming to the conclusion that he'd need hand signs there.

:lol Spawning her to his safe house is better than having to teleport to her in the battlefield and rescue her yet he had to teleport right to her to save her, then teleport her back to the safe house. :lol There is no excuse here so you can cut the bullshit already. I thought you were done anyway? Why are you still replying to me?

Get me feats of Minato warping objects with tags from afar. Get me statements of Minato being able to do that. Or get me proof that the tags have Minato's chakra in them because I'm frankly tired of your moronic speculations.

Stop trying to reason with this fool. He's delusional.

Says the trash poster who couldn't form a coherent argument to save his own idiotic skin. :lol Hop off. The only ones who think Minato can use Hiraishin on objects his tags are touching from afar are idiots and Minato fanboys. You fall into the former category. Stop posting if you don't have an argument. It's really that simple.

 

[blazekev90]

But that's obviously not required as he's used Hiraishin multiple times without hand signs. So how are you coming to the conclusion that he'd need hand signs there.

:lol Spawning her to his safe house is better than having to teleport to her in the battlefield and rescue her yet he had to teleport right to her to save her, then teleport her back to the safe house. :lol There is no excuse here so you can cut the bullshit already. I thought you were done anyway? Why are you still replying to me?

Get me feats of Minato warping objects with tags from afar. Get me statements of Minato being able to do that. Or get me proof that the tags have Minato's chakra in them because I'm frankly tired of your moronic speculations.



Says the trash poster who couldn't form a coherent argument to save his own idiotic skin. :lol Hop off. The only ones who think Minato can use Hiraishin on objects his tags are touching from afar are idiots and Minato fanboys. You fall into the former category. Stop posting if you don't have an argument. It's really that simple.

Fanboy of Minato? lol idk which is the bigger joke, you or that ridiculous statement.

There's plenty of jutsu that have used hand seals in certain instances but not consistently.

The fact remains, Minato has been shown using hand seals, similar to the of Orochimaru

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. Deidara and plenty of others when activating a seal/jutsu which contain an essence of their chakra.

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Why teleport her to the floor in their home rather than instantly appearing before her, settling her down comfortably. Lol

Says the narcissistic kid incapable of providing reasoning behind his terrible logic. Zzz

 

[KidGamer65]

Fanboy of Minato? lol idk which is the bigger joke, you or that ridiculous statement.

There's plenty of jutsu that have used hand seals in certain instances but not consistently.

The fact remains, Minato has been shown using hand seals, similar to the of Orochimaru

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. Deidara and plenty of others when activating a seal/jutsu which contain an essence of their chakra.

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Why teleport her to the floor in their home rather than instantly appearing before her, settling her down comfortably. Lol

Says the narcissistic kid incapable of providing reasoning behind his terrible logic. Zzz

I said you are an idiot or a fanboy. Then I said you are the former. Thus you are an idiot. :lol

And you've yet to prove that Minato HAS to use hand signs for Hiraishin. Meanwhile I can bring scans of him not using hand signs to prove that he DOESN'T NEED TO USE THEM. So you don't have a point there. You've yet to prove that Minato molding chakra means that his tags have chakra. So you don't have a point there either.

Comfortably? It's teleportation you moron. Not to mention he can teleport her straight to himself, meaning she'd appear in his arms or he could teleport her straight to the bed he left her in yet he went to the battlefield himself. Stop grasping at straws. You sound stupid as usual.

Get me feats or statements of anything you are saying or stop arguing. It's really that simple kiddo.

 

[blazekev90]

I said you are an idiot or a fanboy. Then I said you are the former. Thus you are an idiot. :lol

And you've yet to prove that Minato HAS to use hand signs for Hiraishin. Meanwhile I can bring scans of him not using hand signs to prove that he DOESN'T NEED TO USE THEM. So you don't have a point there. You've yet to prove that Minato molding chakra means that his tags have chakra. So you don't have a point there either.

Comfortably? It's teleportation you moron. Not to mention he can teleport her straight to himself, meaning she'd appear in his arms or he could teleport her straight to the bed he left her in yet he went to the battlefield himself. Stop grasping at straws. You sound stupid as usual.

Get me feats or statements of anything you are saying or stop arguing. It's really that simple kiddo.

What other reason would he be molding chakra? Lol how does that correlate to the kunia he spawns to?

This is the reason kids shouldn't have accesss to the internet. Lol

 

[Zexion~]

If Minato could warp anything his seal was touching he'd be the most OP mf in existance, no feats of this have been shown nor is there really a good reason to believe it.

Lets not forget Minato had to manually insert his chakra in the seal of the Kyuubi for him to be able to interact with Naruto directly, meaning the seal doesn't contain his chakra normally. Seals get their name because they seal chakra, what sense would it make for something that seals chakra to contain an abundance of chakra itself :lol

Besides if it did contain chakra for no reason Preta path literally stomps this match alone.

 

[blazekev90]

If Minato could warp anything his seal was touching he'd be the most OP mf in existance, no feats of this have been shown nor is there really a good reason to believe it.

Lets not forget Minato had to manually insert his chakra in the seal of the Kyuubi for him to be able to interact with Naruto directly, meaning the seal doesn't contain his chakra normally. Seals get their name because they seal chakra, what sense would it make for something that seals chakra to contain an abundance of chakra itself :lol

Besides if it did contain chakra for no reason Preta path literally stomps this match alone.

The two instances aren't comparable.

Minato inserting his chakra into Naruto in process of SEALING (cutting off access) from the kyuubi chakra is different. Also, Minato and his wife both implanted a small amount of their chakra into Naruto, containing their consciousness, becoming active when they felt was appropriate.

An Actual seal used purposely to cut off chakra =/Tag markings

The reason they're categorized differently.

Preta path probably could. I didn't argue he couldn't lol.

 

[KidGamer65]

What other reason would he be molding chakra? Lol how does that correlate to the kunia he spawns to?

This is the reason kids shouldn't have accesss to the internet. Lol

Lmao. Why is this trash poster still posting in this thread? The chakra molded for Hiraishin is the chakra gathered to actually warp the object. Bigger object=More chakra used. That's shown in the Manga. Where the actual hell did the Manga state that the chakra being molded has anything to do with the tags?

Oh wait. Nowhere. It's you making stuff up. This isn't fanfiction.net nor is this Creative Writing Class. :lol


Like I said. Get those feats or statements or stop posting, because you sound stupid. This whole argument has been you suggesting fanfiction bullshit and then crying like a little twit when I don't agree with your fairy tales. :lol

 

[NarutoKage2]

It's not restricted, and Minato has no feats of warping something that large when he tired himself out by warping Kurama, and no, CT from Pain dwarfs Kurama let alone a CT from Nagato. Then there's the fact that to warp it he'd need contact with it, and he can't make contact with it without being crushed.

Doubt nagato starts off with a CT , the only times he used it were:
-when the kyuubi went berserk and no other attack was working and
-when itachi pulled out his Susano to save kcm naruto and a semi transformed killer bee

Meanwhile, if this is alive and healthy itachi, everybody seems to have forgotten about Koto amatsukami. Knowledge won't matter, this eye belonged to shisui and itachi can programme it as needed. It's Canon that nagato is in no way immune to genjutsu, there's also no reason to assume he'd try to bludgeon a crow with ST or CT, so he gets caught.

Now being the rinnegan and all he may be able to slip out of the genjutsu, but not before minato can mark him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Doubt nagato starts off with a CT , the only times he used it were:
-when the kyuubi went berserk and no other attack was working and
-when itachi pulled out his Susano to save kcm naruto and a semi transformed killer bee

Meanwhile, if this is alive and healthy itachi, everybody seems to have forgotten about Koto amatsukami. Knowledge won't matter, this eye belonged to shisui and itachi can programme it as needed. It's Canon that nagato is in no way immune to genjutsu, there's also no reason to assume he'd try to bludgeon a crow with ST or CT, so he gets caught.

Now being the rinnegan and all he may be able to slip out of the genjutsu, but not before minato can mark him.

Didn't say he'd start with CT, and no, KA doesn't work as it's either on cooldown during Itachi's lifetime or it's with Naruto.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Didn't say he'd start with CT, and no, KA doesn't work as it's either on cooldown during Itachi's lifetime or it's with Naruto.

So you concede ka is a game changer ?

 

[KidGamer65]

So you concede ka is a game changer ?

If he can use it then yeah.

 

[NarutoKage2]

If he can use it then yeah.

Well I re read the chapter, it's not that itachi couldn't use it, he said 'there were things I wanted to do for sasuke with my death' etc.

If it takes a decade, and there was still a fair amount of time for it to activate, how could itachi know that naruto would face Sasuke AFTER said time and not before (making the crow useless). What I'm saying is that KA was active and ready when itachi gave naruto the crow, in spite of what he says later.
So if it's active that means he can use it, he just didn't cuz of what he had planned for Sasuke.

Pretty logical really, since Sasuke was 6 during the Uchiha clan massacre and 16 in part 2 so that's 10 years right there. So if it's part 2 itachi, at or after the time he meets naruto(to give the crow), shouldn't he have an active, usable KA?