[VS] Healthy Itachi and Base Minato vs Healthy nagato

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From the isn't a meter nor does the scan show that from the center of the core to the nearest rock is a tree's width. Stop mentioning the size of the rocks, because the rocks aren't evenly spaced out from the core for you to claim that the size of the rocks means that they aren't right by the core. Stop mentioning the trees when the trees are down lower in the panel. That's not where Minato is teleporting to, he's teleporting right to the center where the rocks are closest to the core. Obviously.

And where are you getting "rocks as big as bijuu from"? :lol



The rocks at the initial stages of the jutsu aren't anywhere near as large as Bijuu, they are only a few times bigger than the core, which is palm sized. :lol :lol :lol Read the Manga. That's what you have Minato warping to.



-Minato throws his Kunai.
-His Kunai reaches the core.
-He warps to the core, i.e., warps into a stream of incoming rocks and the incoming rocks destroy his clone.

Only way he warps the core is if he warps when the stream of rocks isn't that large or that fast, and that would be when CT is too large for him.

So I'll just consider this a concession since you are blatantly lying (what you do best) about what is shown in the Manga panels. :lol
Ok, this is another incident where your reading comprehension starts experiencing problems. If my hand can carry a basketball, is it as big as the ball? :lol

I said:



Although on a fair note, the rock that is carrying Gyuki is not being displayed here.

And I have hard time repeating myself. If Minato could warp before Ay and Gai hit him, why cannot he warp before the rocks do? Up until this post, you still have not said anything about it. I'm going to make it easy.

Either you agree that Minato reacts to it.

Or you go imbecile and say rocks are faster than Ay and Gai. :lol

Stop beating around the bush and either admit the bullshit you're actually saying here or just do us a favor, and don't post in this thread anymore. Christ. :lol

No, it's not an argument, because Minato needs to actually get a marking near Nagato to blitz him and you've yet to explain how that happens. Amaterasu isn't an argument because you've yet to explain how someone who can predict it, repel it and put up an absorption barrier around his body before it's even used, will hit him in the first place. Then we have you over here saying "he'll be killed with Totsuka or Hiraishin" even though for that to happen, Minato will have to be able to get a Kunai over to Nagato without Nagato doing anything.

Nagato absorbed B's Bijuu form in seconds. It took not even a second to repel Amaterasu once Kabuto took control of Nagato. Why the hell would any of them be able to take him out while this is happening? Why would he not do anything? Amaterasu being on him doesn't mean he won't see what they are doing nor does it mean he can't act.

Go back to Skype son. NB clearly isn't for you.
He throws a wave, it gets deflected and he follows it up with another. Meanwhile Amaterasu is prepped, and once it hits, Nagato is busy absorbing it or using Shinra Tensei and Minato tags him and game is over. I can make 100 scenarios, you just keep stalling because you already know Nagato can't fight both of them at the same time.

Also about the absorbing thing, do you really think Minato needs more than a second if Naruto needed just 5 without Hiraishin? Dude.

NV's fastest ninja can't blitz Nagato who got blitzed by Rasengan from Konohamaru, nor can he evade rocks when Ay in V2 was bested by him in both reaction and speed. :lol

It's a projectile. Why would it kill him when the blast goes out forward? Jesus Christ you sound dumb. Did it kill him Asura Path when he used it at Konoha? No. That's how blasts works. They are fired forwards and then explode, IN FRONT OF THE USER. :lol

It's amazing how people this dumb actually exist.
Yes, let's use mechanized dead corpse as an example as to how a living Nagato lives off a blast like In front of the user? That blast sounds like a suicide bomb, you sure it isn't one? As funny as that sounds, it isn't a counter even if it works, it's just a time stall for another Totsuka or kunai to get at him amidst the smoke. As I said, only thing that hinders them is the CT as everyone here knows, and even that in my case, is countered. You just happen to be very persistent in defending Nagato from two top tier ninja. :lol

Just rest the case man, I won't ever bring this up, I feel like putting these in my sig.
 

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Either you agree that Minato reacts to it.

Or you go imbecile and say rocks are faster than Ay and Gai. :lol

Stop beating around the bush and either admit the bullshit you're actually saying here or just do us a favor, and don't post in this thread anymore. Christ. :lol

Lmao all that nonsense typed above for a point you were wrong on. :lol As for the rest of this nonsense. I've already addressed why speed doesn't matter. But we all know you can't address it that's why you've gone back to a countered argument. So concession accepted until you can actually bring something worthwhile to the table.


He throws a wave, it gets deflected and he follows it up with another. Meanwhile Amaterasu is prepped, and once it hits, Nagato is busy absorbing it or using Shinra Tensei and Minato tags him and game is over. I can make 100 scenarios, you just keep stalling because you already know Nagato can't fight both of them at the same time.
You can't make 100 scenarios. You can't even make 1 that makes sense, but given who I'm arguing with I'm not surprised at all.

-He throws a wave. Fuuton deflects it.
-He throws another. Fuuton deflects it.

You've still yet to explain why Nagato can't deflect incoming Kunai and absorb Amaterasu at the same time. Nagato can use multiple techniques at once as shown in the Manga. There is no "busy" absorbing or "busy" reflecting in the first place because none of those take even up to a second to do as Nagato canonically repelled ST the instant Kabuto took over and he's canonically absorbed something that has dozens of times more chakra than any Amaterasu Itachi can create in a matter of seconds, so drop this idiotic argument.

Nagato was "busy" ripping Naruto's soul out of his body yet he still effortlessly countered Killer B's surprise attack. :lol Yet this moron is actually arguing that Minato is going to throw a Kunai and have it reach Nagato before Nagato can absorb fodder Amaterasu or repel it? None of which take anywhere near as much time as ripping Naruto's soul out, which he never even got to complete.

Get out of here with this bullshit.

Also about the absorbing thing, do you really think Minato needs more than a second if Naruto needed just 5 without Hiraishin? Dude.
Naruto was up against Deva Path who can't do a thing without his Deva Powers and they were on cooldown. Minato is up against Nagato, who still has 2 other ways of deflecting Kunai even without Shinra Tensei, not to mention Nagato's Deva Powers won't be on cooldown because he doesn't need Shinra Tensei to counter Amaterasu. :lol

NV's fastest ninja can't blitz Nagato who got blitzed by Rasengan from Konohamaru, nor can he evade rocks when Ay in V2 was bested by him in both reaction and speed. :lol
-Naraka Path isn't Nagato you idiot. :lol Deva Path has evaded FRS. So let's not talk about Nagato being blitzed by Konohamaru.

-Minato can't blitz Nagato and it's because he can't get Kunai anywhere near him, not because his Hiraishin attacks are too slow. :lol


Yes, let's use mechanized dead corpse as an example as to how a living Nagato lives off a blast like In front of the user? That blast sounds like a suicide bomb, you sure it isn't one? As funny as that sounds, it isn't a counter even if it works, it's just a time stall for another Totsuka or kunai to get at him amidst the smoke. As I said, only thing that hinders them is the CT as everyone here knows, and even that in my case, is countered. You just happen to be very persistent in defending Nagato from two top tier ninja. :lol

Just rest the case man, I won't ever bring this up, I feel like putting these in my sig.
:lol I hope everyone is reading this. This is a new level of retardation. The blast is in front of him. Not on him. The only way he dies is if he's actually inside the blast. But he won't be in the blast because the blast is a projectile that's fired out, then it blows up. Asura Path wasn't in the blast when he fired it because he fired AT a target. :lol The only way he gets caught is if he fires it at himself you retarded little shit.

Totsuka gets repelled with Shinra Tensei. Nagato senses chakra. Susanoo is a chakra avatar. :lol Blocking it's form with smoke is irrelevant. And Kunai still get repelled by Fuuton.


And who is everyone? Blazekev and Oblivionx? Two of the worst posters in this entire section? :lol Though a trash poster such as yourself fits in that demographic perfectly.
 

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I puked from reading Yasaka Magatama or FTG will succeed in beating CT; now I'm reading Amatersu will too? Goddammit...The assertions implied by the team's fans are beyond retardation.
 

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Lmao. I can't even be surprised at what I'm reading. This is the same guy who had a temper tantrum because we didn't want to agree that Naruto was light speed. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 

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I puked from reading Yasaka Magatama or FTG will succeed in beating CT; now I'm reading Amatersu will too? Goddammit...The assertions implied by the team's fans are beyond retardation.
I remember some fans saying Yasaka Magatam is equal to RS and Bijuu dama and multiple launches will destroy the core lol. I also remember people saying an enton arrow could too.
 
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I actually like Ice and KG don't speak for all por favor.


Edit-I feel proud that my Fuuton > FTG kunai argument is actually fully used with Nagato now

(Shout out to TAC)
 
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No, it's not, because saying it does is based on nothing. The markings needing chakra for the jutsu doesn't work is based on nothing. How are you even coming to any of these conclusions? Nothing in the Manga hints at this. You saying "he can't do it without chakra" doesn't make it fact.

Minato or his chakra needs to touch an object indirectly or directly to warp them with Hiraishin. Who said it's to produce chakra? That's simply the rule for the technique as Minato himself stated. Tags aren't stated, hinted or implied to be his chakra and he's never warped people with marks on them. Only people touching his chakra or his body.

And that is S/T Barrier. Not just Hiraishin.

And what is the bold based on? No sealing marking or formula similar to Hiraishin has ever been shown or stated to actually have the user's chakra inside of the formula. Never. Ever. Not in this Manga. Me not being able to go in detail on how Hiraishin works doesn't change the fact that the Manga has never implied that Minato's tags contain his chakra. :lol Your argument is basically "I think Minato can warp to tags because they have his chakra because that's what I feel is right. Prove me wrong or I'm right." :lol You can't be serious.
To claim the marking don't contain chakra is ridiculous. I've asked you to explain HOW Hiraishin works since you feel you're qualified to make claims as to how it DOESNT work. You haven't done that!!!!

"Minato or his chakra needs to touch an object INDIRECTLY or DIRECTLY." Hmmm ok, lets discussion this indirect approach. We acknowledge the users chakra needs to be connected to the person/object being transferred. The manga supports that. we also know chakra is manipulated/molded in performing ftg.

However, in order for the party to get from point A to point B, the users chakra MUST BE PRESENT in both locations. Let's consider this for example;

Here we witness Minato teleporting two individuals with no markings on their body, nothing visibly indicating that their chakra was associated with the technique itself or minato's chakra at point B other than Kunia. How can they be pulled there is the users chakra wasn't present at that location? What's your explanation for this?

Secondly, let's look at this scan;
This is example of "indirect" approach. Is it not? Was Minato physically present? Not according to that panel or the following panel. You can make the ASSUMPTION he was there, but there's no proof nor would there have been a reason for him make multiple jumps in order to transfer target as we've seen him previously stay AT POINT A like here

Explain how it was transferred to point B. I'll need scans, not your false claims.

S/T barrier was the original discussion. Also, it just exemplified that contact isn't required. Both techniques work the same.

All seals/markings require chakra manipulation. Summoning, chakra molded between the user being transferred to its respected animal. Minato using ftg doesn't even require hand seals!!! He's performing a jutsu without hand seals, why? Because it's corresponding chakra. The one hand seal Minato uses once and while is this

No hand seals, just chakra concentration. What's the purpose if there's no chakra channeling at point B?



If you'd like to skip each subtopic, focus on the explaining how Ftg works itself. If you can't do that, you claims are invalid.
 

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I actually like Ice and KG don't speak for all por favor.


Edit-I feel proud that my Fuuton > FTG kunai argument is actually fully used with Nagato now

(Shout out to TAC)
Since when was fuuton > ftg your argument? lol that's been a reliable counter wayyy before you became an active member lol. The only wave you originated was d1k riding. It can try to deny it but it's true.
 
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Since when was fuuton > ftg your argument? lol that's been a reliable counter wayyy before you became an active member lol. The only wave you originated was d1k riding. It can try to deny it but it's true.
:lol salty ass

I never saw it being used in the amount of time I've been in the VS threads, especially not by your garbage ass so calm yourself.
 

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:lol salty ass

I never saw it being used in the amount of time I've been in the VS threads, especially not by your garbage ass so calm yourself.
Lol all you do is backup others claims or seek validation. Stop it.

Fuuton utilized against ftg has been used multiple times. Don't act like you weren't studying old threads lol
 

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Lol all you do is backup others claims or seek validation. Stop it.

Fuuton utilized against ftg has been used multiple times. Don't act like you weren't studying old threads lol
:lol clearly you don't look at much as its usually me against the VS Section

Nah, TAC helped me come up with it actually and than I used it in my debate with KG sooooo
 

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To claim the marking don't contain chakra is ridiculous. I've asked you to explain HOW Hiraishin works since you feel you're qualified to make claims as to how it DOESNT work. You haven't done that!!!!

"Minato or his chakra needs to touch an object INDIRECTLY or DIRECTLY." Hmmm ok, lets discussion this indirect approach. We acknowledge the users chakra needs to be connected to the person/object being transferred. The manga supports that. we also know chakra is manipulated/molded in performing ftg.

However, in order for the party to get from point A to point B, the users chakra MUST BE PRESENT in both locations. Let's consider this for example;


Here we witness Minato teleporting two individuals with no markings on their body, nothing visibly indicating that their chakra was associated with the technique itself or minato's chakra at point B other than Kunia. How can they be pulled there is the users chakra wasn't present at that location? What's your explanation for this?
Yes. Minato or his chakra needs to touch an object directly or indirectly to warp them.

Wrong. Where did the Manga say this? Nowhere. That's you making stuff up again. Stop making baseless claims and then acting like you have an argument here.

-Chakra being molded to actually perform the jutsu doesn't mean that the tags themselves contain chakra. So mentioning that is pointless.

-Lmao. Minato is clearly shown touching Tobirama and Hiruzen on the back to warp them to his Kunai. That fulfills the above requirement, that Minato or his chakra needs to touch a target to warp them. In this case Minato is touching them with his physical body to warp them. Bold is irrelevant because that was never stated to be a requirement for the jutsu. That's you making stuff up again.
Secondly, let's look at this scan;
This is example of "indirect" approach. Is it not? Was Minato physically present? Not according to that panel or the following panel. You can make the ASSUMPTION he was there, but there's no proof nor would there have been a reason for him make multiple jumps in order to transfer target as we've seen him previously stay AT POINT A like here
Lmao. That's not indirect because he wasn't touching that with his chakra or his body indirectly. That was clearly his S/T Barrier as that's the only jutsu he has that can warp projectiles away from a distance. Either way, how does this prove your initial claim that tagged objects can be warped without physical contact or contact with his chakra?

It doesn't.

Explain how it was transferred to point B. I'll need scans, not your false claims.
You must not know how this debating thing works buddy.

-You make a claim.
-You prove it.

End of story. If you can't prove your claim don't bother arguing with me. This whole post so far is you assuming how Hiraishin works, then telling me to disprove your baseless claims. :lol

S/T barrier was the original discussion. Also, it just exemplified that contact isn't required. Both techniques work the same.
No, they don't.

Hiraishin-Minato or his chakra touch an object so he can warp.
S/T Barrier-Minato makes a barrier in mid air that sucks in the incoming jutsu.

:lol Nice try.

All seals/markings require chakra manipulation. Summoning, chakra molded between the user being transferred to its respected animal. Minato using ftg doesn't even require hand seals!!! He's performing a jutsu without hand seals, why? Because it's corresponding chakra. The one hand seal Minato uses once and while is this
Lmao. It's hilarious how ridiculous your argumentation is on the regular. Needing to manipulate chakra to use the jutsu doesn't mean that you are putting chakra into that seal. Manipulating chakra to summon a jutsu doesn't mean you are actually transferring chakra to that animal (Another thing you made up) or the sealing pattern to make the summoning.



If you'd like to skip each subtopic, focus on the explaining how Ftg works itself. If you can't do that, you claims are invalid.
I've made no claim. There is nothing in this Manga supporting the claim that Hiraishin tags have chakra in them thus there is no reason for me to believe that your claim is true. :lol It's really that simple. Me not explaining how Hiraishin works doesn't let you make up whatever bullshit you want.

Once again. Show me evidence of Minato being able to warp tagged objects without contact. Show me evidence of Minato's tags containing chakra. All this mumbo jumbo about irrelevant stuff is pointless. In every single instance Minato has always sent someone to his tagged locations using only physical contact, or contact with his chakra in some way, shape or form. In every single instance Minato has always sent someone directly to his MARKING. He's never ever sent anyone to any other destination besides his MARKING.

What you are saying is baseless and I already know this argument will end. :lol
 
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Yes. Minato or his chakra needs to touch an object directly or indirectly to warp them.

Wrong. Where did the Manga say this? Nowhere. That's you making stuff up again. Stop making baseless claims and then acting like you have an argument here.

-Chakra being molded to actually perform the jutsu doesn't mean that the tags themselves contain chakra. So mentioning that is pointless.

-Lmao. Minato is clearly shown touching Tobirama and Hiruzen on the back to warp them to his Kunai. That fulfills the above requirement, that Minato or his chakra needs to touch a target to warp them. In this case Minato is touching them with his physical body to warp them. Bold is irrelevant because that was never stated to be a requirement for the jutsu. That's you making stuff up again.


Lmao. That's not indirect because he wasn't touching that with his chakra or his body indirectly. That was clearly his S/T Barrier as that's the only jutsu he has that can warp projectiles away from a distance. Either way, how does this prove your initial claim that tagged objects can be warped without physical contact or contact with his chakra?

It doesn't.



You must not know how this debating thing works buddy.

-You make a claim.
-You prove it.

End of story. If you can't prove your claim don't bother arguing with me. This whole post so far is you assuming how Hiraishin works, then telling me to disprove your baseless claims. :lol



No, they don't.

Hiraishin-Minato or his chakra touch an object so he can warp.
S/T Barrier-Minato makes a barrier in mid air that sucks in the incoming jutsu.

:lol Nice try.



Lmao. It's hilarious how ridiculous your argumentation is on the regular. Needing to manipulate chakra to use the jutsu doesn't mean that you are putting chakra into that seal. Manipulating chakra to summon a jutsu doesn't mean you are actually transferring chakra to that animal (Another thing you made up) or the sealing pattern to make the summoning.





I've made no claim. There is nothing in this Manga supporting the claim that Hiraishin tags have chakra in them thus there is no reason for me to believe that your claim is true. :lol It's really that simple. Me not explaining how Hiraishin works doesn't let you make up whatever bullshit you want.

Once again. Show me evidence of Minato being able to warp tagged objects without contact. Show me evidence of Minato's tags containing chakra. All this mumbo jumbo about irrelevant stuff is pointless. In every single instance Minato has always sent someone to his tagged locations using only physical contact, or contact with his chakra in some way, shape or form. In every single instance Minato has always sent someone directly to his MARKING. He's never ever sent anyone to any other destination besides his MARKING.

What you are saying is baseless and I already know this argument will end. :lol
You can't dismiss a claim without providing proof for your reasoning for dismissing that case. The only thing you've done was repeat yourself.

Minato touching the Hokage in point A, in referring to point B.

S/T barrier Minato makes....WHEN AND WHERE DID HE MAKE IT at that point? All the appeared was a kunia. Secondly, using ST barrier requires hand seals, we've witnessed this previously. You're making this assumption the ST Barrier was used when there was no direct indication backing up your claim. How would this back up my claim? If the kunia itself was used in place of Minato, which was illustrated, that proves that chakra is indeed present in the marking.

S/t summoning there is chakra channeling between both parties, the very reason animals have acted upon being summoned. During the summoning process chakra is molded between the two, and in process exchanges information.

That's my argument! Markings are significant when sending any object or person to a destination! This has happened every time! lol that's something you can acknowledge. However, you're failing to acknowledge how they arrive to point B.


Here the Hokage arrive to point B. No contact with Minato at this new destination. How did they arrive there, if chakra is required to perform ftg successfully for a second party? He sent them there...

Lol you can't even explain how hiraishinoperates.
 

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You can't dismiss a claim without providing proof for your reasoning for dismissing that case. The only thing you've done was repeat yourself.

Minato touching the Hokage in point A, in referring to point B.
Yes, which is relevant how again?

-He touched them. That satisfies the first requirement.
-He warped them to a tag. How does that prove that the tag has chakra in it?

S/T barrier Minato makes....WHEN AND WHERE DID HE MAKE IT at that point? All the appeared was a kunia. Secondly, using ST barrier requires hand seals, we've witnessed this previously. You're making this assumption the ST Barrier was used when there was no direct indication backing up your claim. How would this back up my claim? If the kunia itself was used in place of Minato, which was illustrated, that proves that chakra is indeed present in the marking.
1. When and where? How does that prove tags have chakra in them? :lol. The barrier was obviously made where the Bijuu Dama is warped. The Kunai not being in that position is irrelevant as a Kunai has never needed to be in the exact position of the barrier if that is what you are trying to get at.

2. A projectile was warped. The only tech Minato has to do that from afar is S/T Barrier.

3. @underlined: Lmao. The Kunai was nowhere near the Bijuu Dama when it was warped. The Kunai was thrown in front of Naruto. Naruto was nowhere near the Juubi's Bijuu Dama when it was warped away. So how does this prove the original claim of "Minato can warp things his Kunai are touching"...?

S/t summoning there is chakra channeling between both parties, the very reason animals have acted upon being summoned. During the summoning process chakra is molded between the two, and in process exchanges information.
Again, where are you getting this from? Chakra is spent to summon a creature. That's how summoning has been shown to work. Not anything else.

That's my argument! Markings are significant when sending any object or person to a destination! This has happened every time! lol that's something you can acknowledge. However, you're failing to acknowledge how they arrive to point B.
No, your argument is that markings have chakra in them. Markings being the destination for all things warped with Hiraishin doesn't mean that they have chakra in them. There is no "how they arrive at point B" that I'm failing to acknowledge. You are trying to insinuate that it's because of chakra even though the Manga doesn't even come close to implying such.


Here the Hokage arrive to point B. No contact with Minato at this new destination. How did they arrive there, if chakra is required to perform ftg successfully for a second party? He sent them there...
What are you even talking about? People can be warped to tags. That's how the jutsu works. Chakra or direct contact is required to actually warp the person. Where was it stated that you needed chakra AT THE DESTINATION? Nowhere. That's where. The only thing that was stated is that Minato can warp people who are touching him or his chakra in someway. He never said that he needs his chakra at the destination in order to warp someone there. :lol

Lol you can't even explain how hiraishinoperates.
And this makes you correct? No, it doesn't. :lol
 

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Yes, which is relevant how again?

-He touched them. That satisfies the first requirement.
-He warped them to a tag. How does that prove that the tag has chakra in it?



1. When and where? How does that prove tags have chakra in them? :lol. The barrier was obviously made where the Bijuu Dama is warped. The Kunai not being in that position is irrelevant as a Kunai has never needed to be in the exact position of the barrier if that is what you are trying to get at.

2. A projectile was warped. The only tech Minato has to do that from afar is S/T Barrier.

3. @underlined: Lmao. The Kunai was nowhere near the Bijuu Dama when it was warped. The Kunai was thrown in front of Naruto. Naruto was nowhere near the Juubi's Bijuu Dama when it was warped away. So how does this prove the original claim of "Minato can warp things his Kunai are touching"...?



Again, where are you getting this from? Chakra is spent to summon a creature. That's how summoning has been shown to work. Not anything else.



No, your argument is that markings have chakra in them. Markings being the destination for all things warped with Hiraishin doesn't mean that they have chakra in them. There is no "how they arrive at point B" that I'm failing to acknowledge. You are trying to insinuate that it's because of chakra even though the Manga doesn't even come close to implying such.



What are you even talking about? People can be warped to tags. That's how the jutsu works. Chakra or direct contact is required to actually warp the person. Where was it stated that you needed chakra AT THE DESTINATION? Nowhere. That's where. The only thing that was stated is that Minato can warp people who are touching him or his chakra in someway. He never said that he needs his chakra at the destination in order to warp someone there. :lol



And this makes you correct? No, it doesn't. :lol
Ok, I'm tired and this has gone on long enough. You can't prove your point, I can't prove mine (other than relying on common sense). It's up to the reader and how they interpret it.
 

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Ok, I'm tired and this has gone on long enough. You can't prove your point, I can't prove mine (other than relying on common sense). It's up to the reader and how they interpret it.
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I don't have a point to prove as I never made a claim. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that. So basically, you can't prove your point so the argument is over.
 

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I don't have a point to prove as I never made a claim. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that. So basically, you can't prove your point so the argument is over.

Trying determine what's factual about a jutsu you explain lol. :kk::kk:

I've stated my reasoning for my belief. Whether or not you chose to agree is a personal decision now. =D
 
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