MS Kakashi vs MS Itachi

[Waltz]

Of course Kamui is faster that what you just mentioned. The only way Itachi counters this is with his superior hand seal speed, not movement speed. If he gets a clone out in front of him to block Kamui, that would work.

But Hiding Like A Mole and bunshins is still a counter to Itachi here, just because Dojutsu users are able to see chakra through material doesn't mean it's always active. Kakashi has pulled this stunt against Dojutsu twice before, one of them actually being Itachi with the Sharingan active.

Once he gets the drop on Itachi with Bunshins and Kamui, it's over for Itachi. The only benefit he had here was the intel to block a Kamui snipe with a clone right off the bat.

Then he avoids it and creates the Karasu Bunshin.

Itachi see's Kakashi/clones submerges and thus peers into the ground. Itachi already knows what Doton: Moguragakure no Jutsu's function is meaning the bold would never happen in this match.

Which isn't happening for reason's already stated.

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[BenjerminGaye]

Read the OP and if true, this is relevant because?​

having full intel doesn't necessarily mean he can stop it, especially when itachi flat out says he wasn't fast enough to even see it when it happened initially.

Sasuke already being in itachi's genjutsu means itachi can do whatever he want's I.e. make clones appear out of nowhere.

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That doesn't mean he can do it outside of genjutsu.

Therefore the crow clone tactic he used on sasuke is null, since he had complete control from the moment the genjutsu actually started which is during the shuriken shoot out.

 

[Booker]

Then he avoids it and creates the Karasu Bunshin.

Itachi see's Kakashi/clones submerges and thus peers into the ground. Itachi already knows what Doton: Moguragakure no Jutsu's function is meaning the bold would never happen in this match.

Which isn't happening for reason's already stated.

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Avoids what? Kamui? Not happening, not on foot speed at least.

According to what? He already fooled Itachi with it. Now you're just stating that it won't happen because you don't want it to happen. If Kakashi goes for a Bunshin Feint, Itachi isn't going to be looking for HLAM, because that's the whole point of the Bunshin feint, lol. Even worse if Itachi is blocking LOS with a clone, which gives Kakashi this ripe opportunity.

If your counter is going to be that full intel means that Itachi expects the bunshin into HLAM, then I'd just counter by saying that Kakashi wouldn't try the same trick twice on someone he knows is incredibly intelligent. Going for the double feint here could just as easily fool Itachi.

And besides, let's assume that Itachi does follow Kakashi. Kakashi can just as easily see what Itachi is doing with his Sharingan, meaning that if Itachi attempts to counter with Ama, Kakashi is going to beat it out with Kamui.

Also, feats that take place within a Genjutsu absolutely do not count. Otherwise Itachi is capable of hundreds upon hundreds of shadow clones.

 

[LoZelda101]

lol silly debate. itachi mid diffs.

Not only does the statbook3 gave held-back itachi the cqc advantage, there is nothing in kakashi's arsenal designed to match let alone counter itachi's. at this point, his one and only bargaining chip is kamui which speed is matched with amaterasu. the only benefit of edo tensei is removal of fatigue, chakra limitation and death, nothing about slower release of ninjutsu. lol using clones is worthless, all it does is multiply kakashi's incompetence, especially since itachi could match it with his own and better clones. stop trying to make this "kamui snipe" as if it makes kakashi invincible, he's not and he never will be, not as long as he's missing the other obito's eye. you know, the one that actually has a feat of countering amaterasu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

lol silly debate. itachi mid diffs.

Not only does the statbook3 gave held-back itachi the cqc advantage, there is nothing in kakashi's arsenal designed to match let alone counter itachi's. at this point, his one and only bargaining chip is kamui which speed is matched with amaterasu. the only benefit of edo tensei is removal of fatigue, chakra limitation and death, nothing about slower release of ninjutsu. lol using clones is worthless, all it does is multiply kakashi's incompetence, especially since itachi could match it with his own and better clones. stop trying to make this "kamui snipe" as if it makes kakashi invincible, he's not and he never will be, not as long as he's missing the other obito's eye. you know, the one that actually has a feat of countering amaterasu.

you're joking right?

 

[LoZelda101]

you're joking right?

hold on, let me grap some popcorn so I can hear this BS counter.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

hold on, let me grap some popcorn so I can hear this BS counter.

nothing in kakashi's arsenal designed to match let alone counter itachi's.

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A literal perfect counter happened in the manga. I hope your popcorn is full of

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[LoZelda101]

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A literal perfect counter happened in the manga. I hope your popcorn is full of

lol fail. brings up 3t kakashi vs 3t itachi scan to prove a Mangekyou thread point. :lol

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irrelevant bait jutsu at that. lmao

 

[Waltz]

having full intel doesn't necessarily mean he can stop it, especially when itachi flat out says he wasn't fast enough to even see it when it happened initially.

Sasuke already being in itachi's genjutsu means itachi can do whatever he want's I.e. make clones appear out of nowhere.

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That doesn't mean he can do it outside of genjutsu.

Therefore the crow clone tactic he used on sasuke is null, since he had complete control from the moment the genjutsu actually started which is during the shuriken shoot out.

Avoids what? Kamui? Not happening, not on foot speed at least.

According to what? He already fooled Itachi with it. Now you're just stating that it won't happen because you don't want it to happen. If Kakashi goes for a Bunshin Feint, Itachi isn't going to be looking for HLAM, because that's the whole point of the Bunshin feint, lol. Even worse if Itachi is blocking LOS with a clone, which gives Kakashi this ripe opportunity.

If your counter is going to be that full intel means that Itachi expects the bunshin into HLAM, then I'd just counter by saying that Kakashi wouldn't try the same trick twice on someone he knows is incredibly intelligent. Going for the double feint here could just as easily fool Itachi.

And besides, let's assume that Itachi does follow Kakashi. Kakashi can just as easily see what Itachi is doing with his Sharingan, meaning that if Itachi attempts to counter with Ama, Kakashi is going to beat it out with Kamui.

Also, feats that take place within a Genjutsu absolutely do not count. Otherwise Itachi is capable of hundreds upon hundreds of shadow clones.

Yikes!​

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@ Booker: You stated how he could avoid it and I agree, thus he avoids it. Nothing in my post mention's foot speed.

All I'm saying is, The jutsu you suggested Kakashi is going to use requires him and his clones to go underground. This is something Itachi can see taking place and he already know's what the Jutsu is and how it works thus he would peer underground via the Karasu. Itachi already knows Kakashi set up bunshin's (if he does do so) as a means to trick him. However on the other hand Kakashi cannot afford to have Itachi within a close enough proximity that his MS Jutsu could affect him, all of which would end the match if successful. The only way Kakashi could get rid of the Crows is if he uses Kamui and that would let Itachi know which one is the real Kakashi and once this is revealed, Kakashi will lose the Match.​

 

[BenjerminGaye]

lol fail. brings up 3t kakashi vs 3t itachi scan to prove a Mangekyou thread point. :lol

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irrelevant bait jutsu at that. lmao

nothing in kakashi's arsenal designed to match let alone counter itachi's.

what you said, i proved it wrong. its ok tho. It sucks to be you sometimes.

Yikes!​

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@ Booker: You stated how he could avoid it and I agree, thus he avoids it. Nothing in my post mention's foot speed.

All I'm saying is, The jutsu you suggested Kakashi is going to use requires him and his clones to go underground. This is something Itachi can see taking place and he already know's what the Jutsu is and how it works thus he would peer underground via the Karasu. Itachi already knows Kakashi set up bunshin's (if he does do so) as a means to trick him. However on the other hand Kakashi cannot afford to have Itachi within a close enough proximity that his MS Jutsu could affect him, all of which would end the match if successful. The only way Kakashi could get rid of the Crows is if he uses Kamui and that would let Itachi know which one is the real Kakashi an once this is revealed, Kakashi will lose the Match.​

your scan doesn't work, sharingan can tell the difference between crow clones and shadow clones, since the chakra usage levels are different. With full knowledge kakashi would counter appropriately so the crows don't effect him. GOing even further than that kakashi also saw through his exploding shadow clone black in part 1. While itachi despite seeing it twice was fooled twice, going back to the original point.

Just because you have full intel doesn't mean you can stop it.

 

[LoZelda101]

what you said, i proved it wrong. its ok tho. It sucks to be you sometimes.

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lol suuuure. if a scan that cancelled out kakashi will help you sleep at night. then who am I to deny you that right.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

*Slow Clap*
lol suuuure. if a scan that cancelled out kakashi will help you sleep at night. then who am I to deny you that right.

is your popcorn salty? I think it is. Thanks for the claps good movies always warrant that. The double feature is tomorrow at 9 if you wanna see it again.

 

[Booker]

Yikes!​

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@ Booker: You stated how he could avoid it and I agree, thus he avoids it. Nothing in my post mention's foot speed.

All I'm saying is, The jutsu you suggested Kakashi is going to use requires him and his clones to go underground. This is something Itachi can see taking place and he already know's what the Jutsu is and how it works thus he would peer underground via the Karasu. Itachi already knows Kakashi set up bunshin's (if he does do so) as a means to trick him. However on the other hand Kakashi cannot afford to have Itachi within a close enough proximity that his MS Jutsu could affect him, all of which would end the match if successful. The only way Kakashi could get rid of the Crows is if he uses Kamui and that would let Itachi know which one is the real Kakashi an once this is revealed, Kakashi will lose the Match.​

Right, and if Itachi blocks his LoS with a clone, Kakashi gets the absolute perfect opportunity to set up a feint.

I don't understand why you keep saying that Itachi is going immediately suspect that Kakashi went for a Bunshin feint with the HLAM. He fell for it in their second encounter, mind you - and that was after he already had experience against Kakashi using Bunshin feints in part 1.

If Kakashi creates Bunshins, those Bunshins are not going to be standing still. You're speaking as though Itachi is just going to be able to completely ignore them and focus attention... Where, exactly? Just the general direction of the ground? If he turns his back, Itachi eats one of these;

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And dealing with Bunshins and their techs means Kakashi absolutely can go for a Kamui snipe. Hell, even better if they're Raiton clones.

This scenario where Itachi immediately follows Kakashi, ignores clones completely, and then bum rushes him with clone genjutsu or Amaterasu isn't happening.

 

[LoZelda101]

is your popcorn salty? I think it is. Thanks for the claps good movies always warrant that. The double feature is tomorrow at 9 if you wanna see it again.

So was that it? lol pretty disappointing. no wonder you faps rely on kamui snipe 24/7 lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So was that it? lol pretty disappointing. no wonder you faps rely on kamui snipe 24/7 lol

I didn't even mention kamui. lmfao

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[LoZelda101]

I didn't even mention kamui. lmfao

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You also mentioned no counter :lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You also mentioned no counter :lol

i shown you the scan. Denial is the first step. 4more to go

 

[Waltz]

what you said, i proved it wrong. its ok tho. It sucks to be you sometimes.




your scan doesn't work, sharingan can tell the difference between crow clones and shadow clones, since the chakra usage levels are different. With full knowledge kakashi would counter appropriately so the crows don't effect him. GOing even further than that kakashi also saw through his exploding shadow clone black in part 1. While itachi despite seeing it twice was fooled twice, going back to the original point.

Just because you have full intel doesn't mean you can stop it.

None of this prohibits Itachi or a regular clone from concealing himself within Karasu bunshin since his chakra is distributed to form them nor proves that Kakashi would be able to differentiate between Karasu and the original itachi or the original clone because once again, the chakra is distributed among the Karasu. ​

Right, and if Itachi blocks his LoS with a clone, Kakashi gets the absolute perfect opportunity to set up a feint.

I don't understand why you keep saying that Itachi is going immediately suspect that Kakashi went for a Bunshin feint with the HLAM. He fell for it in their second encounter, mind you - and that was after he already had experience against Kakashi using Bunshin feints in part 1.

If Kakashi creates Bunshins, those Bunshins are not going to be standing still. You're speaking as though Itachi is just going to be able to completely ignore them and focus attention... Where, exactly? Just the general direction of the ground? If he turns his back, Itachi eats one of these;

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And dealing with Bunshins and their techs means Kakashi absolutely can go for a Kamui snipe. Hell, even better if they're Raiton clones.

This scenario where Itachi immediately follows Kakashi, ignores clones completely, and then bum rushes him with clone genjutsu or Amaterasu isn't happening.

Itachi won't fall for it again because he has full knowlege of Kakashi's abilities meaning there is no reason for him not to peer into the ground if Kakashi and a clone submerges using that jutsu.

Again overlooking the risk involved for Kakashi. Kakashi does not know which Crow is Itachi or not so using anything other than Kamui can put him at risk for being ignited with Amaterasu or caught in Tsukuyomi if the Karasu get within a close enough proximity to him and using this Itachi could simply lure him out. Kakashi's clones must destroy the incoming Karasu from alternate directions with regular jutsu because one of them may be Itachi and being bunshin, the would not be severely affected by his Itachi's jutsu as they are clones. I never ignored Kakashi's clones and mentioned them as recently as

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. During this event the original Itachi would intercept the Original Kakashi once he reveals himself. ​

 

[LoZelda101]

i shown you the scan. Denial is the first step. 4more to go

I think you need to re-read the scan :lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I think you need to re-read the scan :lol

lol you can't go from denial to bargaining, but then again we already saw anger so i guess its fitting.