Deidara and Onoki vs Sasori and Gaara

[Beans2]

Team Rock: Deidara, Onoki
Team Sand: Sasori, War Arc Gaara

Location- Sasuke vs Deidara
Intel- Manga
Distance- 40 meters
Restrictions- C0

Scenario 2: Desert location

 

[Zexion~]

Team one medium difficulty

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Gaara and Sasori wins.

Deidara nor Onoki has the defense to deal with IS spikes nor its speed(which can also change trajectory). Add Gaara sand pressure and its a definite win.

 

[Zexion~]

Gaara and Sasori wins.

Deidara nor Onoki has the defense to deal with IS spikes nor its speed(which can also change trajectory). Add Gaara sand pressure and its a definite win.

:lol please, if Onoki and Deidara stay moving in the air they never hit as they can't change trajectory clearly.

Deidara's explosives lightened = never getting touched by anything here.

 

[EZQ]

Gaara and Sasori wins.

Deidara nor Onoki has the defense to deal with IS spikes nor its speed(which can also change trajectory). Add Gaara sand pressure and its a definite win.

And from where does this blind hype come from? Onoki enlights himself and Deidara on his bird, and they fly away from the IS's comfortable range. If it's far from them, they have more than enough distance to react, and dodge while being lighter than usual.

On the other hand, team 2 can't counter c4 Garuda since they can't sense it or see it. Gaara dies from it, Sasori doesn't because his body is not organic, but then they gang bang him, he doesn't even have speed feats to counter this by any means.

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Deidara atomizes Gaara, Oonoki atomizes Sasori

 

[Brother Numpsay]

:lol please, if Onoki and Deidara stay moving in the air they never hit as they can't change trajectory clearly.

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Deidara's explosives lightened = never getting touched by anything here.

Then Onoki is easy target if he wants to lightened every clay bird Deidara wants to pull out. Then Deidara gets gang bang

And from where does this blind hype come from? Onoki enlights himself and Deidara on his bird, and they fly away from the IS's comfortable range. If it's far from them, they have more than enough distance to react, and dodge while being lighter than usual.

No hype by feats. IS speed has shown to move way faster then FRS(which is also a fast jutsu) as we seen the results of attacking the same character with different result via Chiyo. Onoki lighten speed is not faster then IS speed and Deidara lighten has to be faster then his orignal but speculation if implying that he will move faster then IS.

On the other hand, team 2 can't counter c4 Garuda since they can't sense it or see it. Gaara dies from it, Sasori doesn't because his body is not organic, but then they gang bang him, he doesn't even have speed feats to counter this by any means.

I always been iffy with the Sand Sensor helping out but if it does then that counters the jutsu. If not then its a battle of execution, which Team 2 as the advantage here.

Deidara atomizes Gaara, Oonoki atomizes Sasori

IS speed easily interrupts Jinton.

 

[Zexion~]

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Then Onoki is easy target if he wants to lightened every clay bird Deidara wants to pull out. Then Deidara gets gang bang




No hype by feats. IS speed has shown to move way faster then FRS(which is also a fast jutsu) as we seen the results of attacking the same character with different result via Chiyo. Onoki lighten speed is not faster then IS speed and Deidara lighten has to be faster then his orignal but speculation if implying that he will move faster then IS.



I always been iffy with the Sand Sensor helping out but if it does then that counters the jutsu. If not then its a battle of execution, which Team 2 as the advantage here.





IS speed easily interrupts Jinton.

It changes speed mid flight as shown when he uses the spikes, you see a burst of chakra from the third and their speed is thus increased.

Its been shown that he can't change trajectory when he couldn't do shit about anything that was being thrown back at him by Sakura, they obviously can be stopped and turned around but not until long after Deidara and Onoki have avoided them, why you think Onoki and Deidara can't be side by side is beyond me its not hard at all to lighten Deidara's explosives.


Deidara's explosives interrupt any IS used to go after Onoki, or Onoki charges it on a lightened bird of Deidara's that can avoid it on its own.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Assuming for whatever reason that Sasori has never seen C4, and doesn't warn Gaara, it doesn't have a great chance at working on Gaara regardless. C4 is a grounded based bomb that requires Deidara to hover out of it's range. Gaara also being an intelligent aerial fighter should pick up on this fact, and hover high as possible (or as high as Deidara) to assure that he doesn't get caught in the blasts range. Common sense, really.


Gaara hard counters Onoki by subtly scattering his grains of sand over a large distance like so:

(Without clumping the grains up, so just individual grains scattered everywhere)

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So whenever Onoki stops and attempts to charge up Jinton, Gaara swiftly

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in the surrounding area on Onoki to not only disrupt the Jinton prep (just as it was accomplished faster then Mu's Jinton prep), but also to form a sand coffin on him as well for the quick GG. Whether Onoki can react fast enough to counter with increasing the sands weight is debatable, but this is a sure fire strategy to prevent Jinton from ever being used here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It changes speed mid flight as shown when he uses the spikes, you see a burst of chakra from the third and their speed is thus increased.

What you just said is exactly what the first sentence said. "it is possible to use the repellent properties of magnetism to greater increase the speed of the pellets." I just need you to read the next part after "or" and "after"

Its been shown that he can't change trajectory when he couldn't do shit about anything that was being thrown back at him by Sakura, they obviously can be stopped and turned around but not until long after Deidara and Onoki have avoided them, why you think Onoki and Deidara can't be side by side is beyond me its not hard at all to lighten Deidara's explosives.

Not showing doesn't mean its not possible when DB states it can. I dont know what speed feats Deidara and Onoki have to be capable of dodging IS fastest speed. And I never said they can be side side. I literally said you just made it easier for Sasori and Gaara to aim.

Deidara's explosives interrupt any IS used to go after Onoki, or Onoki charges it on a lightened bird of Deidara's that can avoid it on its own.

Lol no Deidara isn't interrupting IS, not when it can be used for both Offense and Defense. You dont know how fast the birds would go compare to IS speed. And makes it easier is when Gaara box them in for easier target

 

[Zexion~]

What you just said is exactly what the first sentence said. "it is possible to use the repellent properties of magnetism to greater increase the speed of the pellets." I just need you to read the next part after "or" and "after"



Not showing doesn't mean its not possible when DB states it can. I dont know what speed feats Deidara and Onoki have to be capable of dodging IS fastest speed. And I never said they can be side side. I literally said you just made it easier for Sasori and Gaara to aim.



Lol no Deidara isn't interrupting IS, not when it can be used for both Offense and Defense. You dont know how fast the birds would go compare to IS speed. And makes it easier is when Gaara box them in for easier target

I suppose you're right :lol I just like to take feats more into account than captions written way after. However the fact that he didn't do it in the manga when it would have been beneficial showcases that the control isn't all that good and by the time he turns it around it would be near pointless.


Chiyo was reacting to IS with ease so I mean if you really don't think Deidara could from a farther distance well then....... Could IS even penetrate Rock Golem?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I suppose you're right :lol I just like to take feats more into account than captions written way after. However the fact that he didn't do it in the manga when it would have been beneficial showcases that the control isn't all that good and by the time he turns it around it would be near pointless.

They couldn't dodged the fastest part of IS spikes so I dont know where it would be beneficial in the manga. And 2.) its not like he was fighting in a open field either. So if anything Ill agree that its near pointless base on the range he is firing it between his opponent. But this is definitely a long range battle so its such as hell will be a factor.

Chiyo was reacting to IS with ease so I mean if you really don't think Deidara could from a farther distance well then....... Could IS even penetrate Rock Golem?

Chiyo can dodge a KCM FRS thrown at her. So the fact that she was only capable of blocking its fastest spike makes sense. IS eats bedrock for breakfast so even if he attempts to block, its penetrated force of IS would guarantee cause a fatal wound at best. And we know a scratch of IS ends the fight anyway so lol.

 

[EZQ]

Lol and i'm still reading "IS speed" when Sakura reacted to it. A lightened Deidara who flies far away is not dodging it? Lmao

 

[TRE MERCER]

Earth duo shits call me when Sasori gets the mobility to dodge Jinton beam. Deidara spanks Gaara ass again and this time they won't be fighting in a desert where he had a big element advantage.

Gaara and Sasori wins.

Deidara nor Onoki has the defense to deal with IS spikes nor its speed(which can also change trajectory). Add Gaara sand pressure and its a definite win.

What are those things best speed feats? Failing against Chiyo and Sakura. Deidara and Oonoki laughs at them.

 

[Beans2]

Assuming for whatever reason that Sasori has never seen C4, and doesn't warn Gaara, it doesn't have a great chance at working on Gaara regardless. C4 is a grounded based bomb that requires Deidara to hover out of it's range. Gaara also being an intelligent aerial fighter should pick up on this fact, and hover high as possible (or as high as Deidara) to assure that he doesn't get caught in the blasts range. Common sense, really.

Being intelligent isn't enough to figure out how a jutsu works. Seeing Deidara flying or hovering on his bird at a high altitude, Gaara will probably think nothing of it since it fits in with Deidara's normal fighting style of taking to the skies which is exactly what he did the last time the two fought. Gaara will likely think that the jutsu misfired, just like Sasuke initially did (

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). He wouldn't know what the range to the technique was, or even understand that it was a technique. Common sense alone certainly doesn't explain how Gaara avoids this technique.

C4 isn't a ground based bomb either, since Deidara

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against Sasuke. Deidara can burst the animal containing the weightless nano bombs far from Gaara, then use the force from another explosion to push them towards Gaara, who won't be able to see them.

Also, it's very unlikely that Sasori has seen C4 before since Deidara noted that it was meant to be a trump card against Itachi.

Gaara hard counters Onoki by subtly scattering his grains of sand over a large distance like so:

(Without clumping the grains up, so just individual grains scattered everywhere)

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So whenever Onoki stops and attempts to charge up Jinton, Gaara swiftly

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in the surrounding area on Onoki to not only disrupt the Jinton prep (just as it was accomplished faster then Mu's Jinton prep), but also to form a sand coffin on him as well for the quick GG. Whether Onoki can react fast enough to counter with increasing the sands weight is debatable, but this is a sure fire strategy to prevent Jinton from ever being used here.

This doesn't matter, since Onoki doesn't need to stop to charge up Jinton. He can charge it on top of Deidara's bird while the bird is in motion, or have a rock clone carry him while he preps the Jinton. Besides, clay explosions would disperse the sensor sand.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Being intelligent isn't enough to figure out how a jutsu works. Seeing Deidara flying or hovering on his bird at a high altitude, Gaara will probably think nothing of it since it fits in with Deidara's normal fighting style of taking to the skies which is exactly what he did the last time the two fought. Gaara will likely think that the jutsu misfired, just like Sasuke initially did (

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). He wouldn't know what the range to the technique was, or even understand that it was a technique. Common sense alone certainly doesn't explain how Gaara avoids this technique.

C4 isn't a ground based bomb either, since Deidara

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against Sasuke. Deidara can burst the animal containing the weightless nano bombs far from Gaara, then use the force from another explosion to push them towards Gaara, who won't be able to see them.

Also, it's very unlikely that Sasori has seen C4 before since Deidara noted that it was meant to be a trump card against Itachi.

Never said Gaara figures out how the jutsu works. If Deidara uses C4 like he used it

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, it's literally common sense as an aerial fighter to fly upward to avoid it. That shouldn't be controversial argument. Gaara knows Deidara uses bombs, so he should safely assume it's a bomb. Regardless if he thinks it's a dud or not, his initial reaction should be to fly farthest away possible from the bomb before it even goes off. Especially given it's size.

I know, which is why I specifically said grounded, not ground based. Basically saying that it can't fly on it's own. Deidara can send the C4 doll towards Gaara while it's mounted on a clay bird, however Gaara should stop it's efforts before it even gets remotely near him via Suna Arare, which knocks Deidara and Onoki out the sky. Attempting the scatter the nano C4 bombs everywhere via another explosion is not a good tactic, considering Deidara can't track and control where all the bombs are going. They may very well scatter in his and/or Onoki's direction as well.

Tobi seemed to know all about it, and he wasn't partners with Deiadra as long as Sasori was.

This doesn't matter, since Onoki doesn't need to stop to charge up Jinton. He can charge it on top of Deidara's bird while the bird is in motion, or have a rock clone carry him while he preps the Jinton. Besides, clay explosions would disperse the sensor sand.

No need for Onoki to take all those additional steps at attempting to get off Jinton. Perhaps, after trial and error, but not initially. That would be completely out of character. By then, like I already mentioned, a large scale Suna Arare knocks them all out the sky. Clay explosions is not a viable counter... To remove the sand grains around their immediate area via this method, would require a close range explosion to go off. That would damage Onoki, and end up being futile as Gaara simply controls the sand movement, and scatters them right back where they were again.

 

[lelerskates]

Team 1 low diff.

 

[Beans2]

Never said Gaara figures out how the jutsu works. If Deidara uses C4 like he used it

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, it's literally common sense as an aerial fighter to fly upward to avoid it. That shouldn't be controversial argument. Gaara knows Deidara uses bombs, so he should safely assume it's a bomb. Regardless if he thinks it's a dud or not, his initial reaction should be to fly farthest away possible from the bomb before it even goes off. Especially given it's size.

I know, which is why I specifically said grounded, not ground based. Basically saying that it can't fly on it's own. Deidara can send the C4 doll towards Gaara while it's mounted on a clay bird, however Gaara should stop it's efforts before it even gets remotely near him via Suna Arare, which knocks Deidara and Onoki out the sky. Attempting the scatter the nano C4 bombs everywhere via another explosion is not a good tactic, considering Deidara can't track and control where all the bombs are going. They may very well scatter in his and/or Onoki's direction as well.

Tobi seemed to know all about it, and he wasn't partners with Deiadra as long as Sasori was.

Ok. But Deidara's not going to use C4 against Gaara like he does against Sasuke. It's neither grounded or ground based since Deidara can just make a hollow clay bird or dragon and fill it with C4 bombs. You said Gaara flies upward to avoid it- well, the bird (which is faster than Gaara due to being lightened) will just fly after him so Gaara's going to have to shield himself sooner or later. Even if he did use his giant clay doll, the force from a second explosion would scatter the nano bombs upwards; Onoki can Jinton the area between him and the doll to ensure that any nano bombs headed their way get destroyed.

@Bold Suna Arare takes prep time. Onoki would destroy the cloud of sand with Jinton before he even gets the chance to make it hail, or he blocks with golem.

Point, but Tobi could have genjutsu'd that information out of Deidara. Meh. Don't think they need C4 to take out Gaara anyway.

No need for Onoki to take all those additional steps at attempting to get off Jinton. Perhaps, after trial and error, but not initially. That would be completely out of character. By then, like I already mentioned, a large scale Suna Arare knocks them all out the sky. Clay explosions is not a viable counter... To remove the sand grains around their immediate area via this method, would require a close range explosion to go off. That would damage Onoki, and end up being futile as Gaara simply controls the sand movement, and scatters them right back where they were again.

-Onoki attempts Jinton while stationary.
-Accumulated sand disrupts the Jinton prep.
-Onoki sheds the sand by making it heavy with weighted boulder.
-Onoki learns from his mistake and attempts it again, this time while mobile.

Clay explosions do work to scatter sensor sand as Onoki can just shield against them with a rock golem like he did in the manga. Suna Arare is never ever going to work against Deidara and Onoki so it's not worth mentioning again. They will obviously notice a giant sand cloud being formed above their head and fly out from under it before Gaara makes the chance to make it hail. Or Onoki destroys the cloud with Jinton. Or he blocks the hail with a rock golem.

By the way, I assume you are arguing for a desert location. In the time it takes for Gaara to create a desert then spread his sensor sand around the battlefield Onoki could have already Jinton'd him out of existence.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Oh damn, is this a good versus thread. Gonna abstain from putting my vote out there. Wanna see some more arguments first.

 

[Edogawa]

Onoki solos, tbh. Whoever is arguing for team 2 honestly is ignorant of Onoki's deadly potential. With Deidara, they stomp. The only thing I see Onoki having trouble with is Sasori's poison; it requires his opponent to be in close range, however - with Onoki adjusting his fighting range to mid and long, he should be able to avoid getting hit with poisons. Jinton isn't needed.

Gaara's sand and Sasori's Iron Sand are ineffective, because of Doton: Chōkajūgan no Jutsu. This is because it alters the weight of whatever object Onoki desires, making it heavy to the point where it can't move. The scale of Gaara's sand is useless, which I know Gaara's fans will attempt to use, because Onoki has shown to change objects as big as the

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, which both undoubtedly expand greater width than any of Gaara's large scale sand. If he was able to make Gaara's sand light, then he can do the opposite and make it heavy, where Gaara can't manipulate his sand. Point being, it's useless.

Onoki can apply the said gravitational techniques to his Doton: Golem, which is a construction larger than V3 Susanoo.

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Ay can hardly be seen compared to the Golem, whereas he's the size of Susanoo's hand. The earth construction is massive, so it already has huge defensive and offensive capabilities to it; he's able to adjust his Golem's fighting with either Doton: Chōkajūgan no Jutsu to increase its durability and physical strength and can apply Doton: Keijūgan no Jutsu to increase its speed. The Golem can be regulated to whatever situation Onoki sees fit.

Golem applied with Doton: Keijūgan no Jutsu will give it the speed to be in close range to Gaara and Sasori, then with Doton: Chōkajūgan no Jutsu application will have the physical strength to paste

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[Edogawa]

Onoki should also be able to use Kitsuchi's arsenal. There is nothing fanfic about it. Fodders of Shinobi Alliance used Doton techniques via learning hand seal formula. Choji, who is not a natural Doton user, also used it.

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It's not unrealistic to say Onoki can use Kitsuchi's arsenal, when he's the most powerful Doton user and possibly passed those techniques to Kitsuchi. Given there is an existing proof you can use Doton techniques by knowing the hand seal, then Onoki should also be able to use Doton: Sando no Jutsu and etc. which makes Onoki a lot more overpowered.