[VS] Healthy Itachi and Base Minato vs Healthy nagato

[blazekev90]

Why would Itachi not be being pulled in....



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A tag doesn't contain his chakra, yet he's able to utilize it similarly to he other seals. How about you explain why that is or provide proof. Don't quote a lame for your argument.

Itachi wouldn't be pulled in the moment it appears. Therefore he'd have time to provide an offense distraction

 

[KidGamer65]

Here we go again with this clown. :lol Show anyone in this thread a scan that says Hiraishin tags have chakra in them since you want to claim that they are chakra despite the Manga never hinting so let alone providing enough evidence to make that a fact. Show anyone in this thread a scan of Minato warping marked people without touching them first or you can stop posting and gtfo because there are enough trash arguments in this thread.

 

[blazekev90]

Not how Hiraishin works either. Minato can only warp to or warp other people to tags. A tag isn't his chakra. Minato can only warp things that his actual body or chakra is touching.

Based off what? Is there statement addressing Minato markings/tags not containing chakra? He's wrapped two tbb, kunia has been used in both scenarios, which contain his marking. One at hand or at point A. The second at his desired location. If you can explain how this works without chakra, I'll agree

 

[TRE MERCER]

Chibaku tensei is the only problem.

 

[KidGamer65]

Based off what? Is there statement addressing Minato markings/tags not containing chakra? He's wrapped two tbb, kunia has been used in both scenarios, which contain his marking. One at hand or at point A. The second at his desired location. If you can explain how this works without chakra, I'll agree

Is this the new wave? Where we make claims and then when we can't find any evidence for them we ask our opponent to disprove them? :lol If you think they have chakra, support it with evidence. Otherwise don't make the claim. It's that simple. Jesus Christ you people really are something else.

He warped Bijuu Dama with S/T Barrier. That has jack to do with warping tagged objects without touching them. The only chakra involved is the chakra used to warp and the chakra used to open the barrier. Tags are nothing but destinations.

I don't have to explain a thing. You can't support your claim with evidence so it remains your baseless opinion. One that doesn't matter in this thread.

 

[blazekev90]

Is this the new wave? Where we make claims and then when we can't find any evidence for them we ask our opponent to disprove them? :lol If you think they have chakra, support it with evidence. Otherwise don't make the claim. It's that simple. Jesus Christ you people really are something else.

He warped Bijuu Dama with S/T Barrier. That has jack to do with warping tagged objects without touching them. The only chakra involved is the chakra used to warp and the chakra used to open the barrier. Tags are nothing but destinations.

I don't have to explain a thing. You can't support your claim with evidence so it remains your baseless opinion. One that doesn't matter in this thread.

Thinking the markings don't contain chakra is ridiculous!! I thought that was common knowledge, otherwise how would the technique work? Lol he's able to teleport to his MAKRED kunia because they contain his chakra, via tags. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to perform this.

You're saying in order to wrap an object, Minato needs physical contact because he'd need to produce chakra, no? If the markings contain chakra, physical contact isn't needed. Also, you're kind of exaggerating this "physical contact" argument, it's not like he actually touched those TBB

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All seals have been shown to utilize the users charka. Why the hell wouldn't these?!? Lol

I'm not understanding your reasoning to believe otherwise.

If you're capable of explaining how ftg doesn't work, you should be able to explain how it DOES work.

 

[Zexion~]

A tag doesn't contain his chakra, yet he's able to utilize it similarly to he other seals. How about you explain why that is or provide proof. Don't quote a lame for your argument.

Itachi wouldn't be pulled in the moment it appears. Therefore he'd have time to provide an offense distraction

Except all of that offense will thus be pulled in.....

 

[KidGamer65]

Thinking the markings don't contain chakra is ridiculous!! I thought that was common knowledge, otherwise how would the technique work? Lol he's able to teleport to his MAKRED kunia because they contain his chakra, via tags. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to perform this.

You're saying in order to wrap an object, Minato needs physical contact because he'd need to produce chakra, no? If the markings contain chakra, physical contact isn't needed. Also, you're kind of exaggerating this "physical contact" argument, it's not like he actually touched those TBB

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All seals have been shown to utilize the users charka. Why the hell wouldn't these?!? Lol

I'm not understanding your reasoning to believe otherwise.

If you're capable of explaining how ftg doesn't work, you should be able to explain how it DOES work.

No, it's not, because saying it does is based on nothing. The markings needing chakra for the jutsu doesn't work is based on nothing. How are you even coming to any of these conclusions? Nothing in the Manga hints at this. You saying "he can't do it without chakra" doesn't make it fact.

Minato or his chakra needs to touch an object indirectly or directly to warp them with Hiraishin. Who said it's to produce chakra? That's simply the rule for the technique as Minato himself stated. Tags aren't stated, hinted or implied to be his chakra and he's never warped people with marks on them. Only people touching his chakra or his body.

And that is S/T Barrier. Not just Hiraishin.

And what is the bold based on? No sealing marking or formula similar to Hiraishin has ever been shown or stated to actually have the user's chakra inside of the formula. Never. Ever. Not in this Manga. Me not being able to go in detail on how Hiraishin works doesn't change the fact that the Manga has never implied that Minato's tags contain his chakra. :lol Your argument is basically "I think Minato can warp to tags because they have his chakra because that's what I feel is right. Prove me wrong or I'm right." :lol You can't be serious.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Minato has 0 outside marking so teleporting CT would be completely useless.

 

[blazekev90]

No, it's not, because saying it does is based on nothing. The markings needing chakra for the jutsu doesn't work is based on nothing. How are you even coming to any of these conclusions? Nothing in the Manga hints at this. You saying "he can't do it without chakra" doesn't make it fact.

Minato or his chakra needs to touch an object indirectly or directly to warp them with Hiraishin. Who said it's to produce chakra? That's simply the rule for the technique as Minato himself stated. Tags aren't stated, hinted or implied to be his chakra and he's never warped people with marks on them. Only people touching his chakra or his body.

And that is S/T Barrier. Not just Hiraishin.

And what is the bold based on? No sealing marking or formula similar to Hiraishin has ever been shown or stated to actually have the user's chakra inside of the formula. Never. Ever. Not in this Manga. Me not being able to go in detail on how Hiraishin works doesn't change the fact that the Manga has never implied that Minato's tags contain his chakra. :lol Your argument is basically "I think Minato can warp to tags because they have his chakra because that's what I feel is right. Prove me wrong or I'm right." :lol You can't be serious.

Lol this guy.

I'll respond tomorrow. About to go out for the night.

 

[Edogawa]

Minato's fans are grasping straws.

Minato doesn't have any feat implying he could teleport something of CT's magnitude. His best feat was teleporting Kurama, which ended up eating majority of his Chakra. Even if you were to use his Edo Tensei feat of wrapping Jubi's TBB, which shouldn't be justified due to unlimited Chakra privilege, it still wouldn't imply he could teleport CT, when CT dwarfs Jubi and its TBB. Let's conclude the probability that he could teleport it, then he dies from Chakra exhaustion immediately, whereas Nagato could recreate another CT in case of failure attempt.

Nagato leaves a pool of blood of these two overrated clowns and their clown fans.

 

[ARGUS]

CST used right at the start of the battle would paste them
CT isn't even needed when They can't Percieve CST and won't be able to form their defenses before its executed

 

[Oblivionx]

I was actually getting convinced that Minato and Itachi take this from your argument, but then I realized something;

You're working on this assumption that Minato is going to be able to literally warp the core in the first place. Regardless of whether or not he can get there unharmed, how is Minato managing this?

The more mass the target has, the harder it is more Minato to warp. CT is literally a hyper-dense amount of matter with so much mass that it has its own gravity attractive things aggresively.

I actually agree with your point that Minato would be able to get to the core unharmed (as long as he makes his decisions within a fraction of a second), but there is no way in hell he is warping that amount of mass when he couldn't even manage something far less as an Edo Tensei AND with Kyuubi Chakra.

if that is the case then CT can't be warped but this is fictional manga and nowhere is it stated that CT core has that kind of mass. People breath fire here so even a tiny core attracting rocks in no exception. But i am gonna present another counter that will probably end this CT war here. See below.

No Gurantee markings touch the orb directly, not to mention Nagato being a sensor could take out any marked debris with his chakra cannon if we want to get creative.

Markings can't be sensed otherwise obito would have seen that he's marked in his entire lifespan and despite being marked even jubi jin obito didn't know until he was hit by 1st attack vi ftg.


OT: Now to counter CT. As a lot of people have proposed minato can simply touch even rock touching the core and teleport it all away in little to no time. And this happens before CT is big via throwing kunai teleporting to it, touching rocks which are touching core and teleporting the whole thing away.heck with full knowledge minato can get to core before it reaches it's position. As core is no faster than godudamas.
But for those who don't know capabilities of minato, here's counter 2.
Minato throws kunai in the debris and immidiately forms an S/T barrier. Now i know CT core won't be transported via barrier as it is stationary but minato forms barrier downward towards the incoming rocks. i have a question about this. If minato forms barrier downwards from core, will it not cancel core's gravitational pull? As there will be a blackhole in between core and rocks. How will gravitational pull even reach rocks then?

 

[KIDD WAVE]

2. That area are the rocks farthest from the core. Why do you keep bringing irrelevant examples to prove your point? The distance between the rocks closest to the core, i.e. where Minato would be according to your idiotic argument, and the core is not a meter.

3. None of that is an argument. You should know better by now to come at me with stupid shit like this sonny boy.

-Hiraishin GG isn't an argument.
-Totsuka GG isn't an argument.
-Amaterasu+Totsuka GG isn't an argument.

An Amaterasu distraction? How does Amaterasu distract him when he's canonically sensed the build up for it? :lol Amaterasu is used and then Nagato absorbs it and Minato's Kunai are repelled.

-Shinra Tensei having a 5 second time limit doesn't matter when he has Fuuton and Asura Path.

-"Fuuton doesn't matter" isn't a counter to Fuuton repelling his Kunai. Unless you have an actual reason for why Fuuton can't repel Kunai then you don't need to continue dragging a point you are obviously wrong on.

-As for how Asura Path repels Kunai. [

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Don't reply if this is how you are going to debate because right now you're just wasting both of our time. Or rather don't reply because I know you can't do any better than making trash arguments, so you ending this now would save me a lot of time ripping this garbage to shreds.

Notice how almost everybody understands my argument and agrees with it? I didn't even need to explain my case to some. The only one who is still arguing against it, is you. I'm not wasting time, you are, you cannot get a simple concept that has been shown already inside your head. But that's expected.

2. What the... :lol Smh, I feel like just quitting what do you not see, look at the trees and compared them to the rocks, look at their size. These rocks are not small, they can carry things as big as Bijuus and Susano'Os. So don't bring up bullshit like ''only a foot away''. :lol

3. It's an argument because Nagato has no reaction feats that can tell if he can dodge Minato's Hiraishin tricks or not, nor does he have feats to dodge Amaterasu despite having sensory skills, so even if he senses he build up, what is he going to do? :lol He can absorb it or use Shinra Tensei or use Fuuton, in the meanwhile, either one will kill with either Hiraishin or Totsuka. Your choice. Does it really matter? It's a two man team here.

Jesus Christ, so he commits a suicide bomb now? :lol Asura isn't blocking those kunai's unless he kills himself, which is totally fine. Besides, after all that rubble he would just give Itachi a distraction to stab him with Totsuka.

I can't believe the things I'm heard from you in this thread. :lol

1. Rocks that carried Bijuu's are ''foot big''?

2. Nagato commits suicide to block a few kunais?

3. These rocks are still faster than Ay? Wait wait... speed is irrelevant. :lol

You can dance around the points here as much as you want, but the rocks are not fast, they are very big (carried Bijuus) and the gap between them is even bigger, so Minato has plenty of time to warp them out.

Just admit it, it isn't the first time you've lost a debate have you.

 

[KIDD WAVE]

@ Kid,

Minato doesn't need to throw a kunia, he's simply needs to tag the surrounding debris. As CT pulls the markings into the orb, Minato's chakra present, the rest is self explanatory.

If he were along, he'd die before doing this successfully.

Thinking the markings don't contain chakra is ridiculous!! I thought that was common knowledge, otherwise how would the technique work? Lol he's able to teleport to his MAKRED kunia because they contain his chakra, via tags. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to perform this.

You're saying in order to wrap an object, Minato needs physical contact because he'd need to produce chakra, no? If the markings contain chakra, physical contact isn't needed. Also, you're kind of exaggerating this "physical contact" argument, it's not like he actually touched those TBB

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All seals have been shown to utilize the users charka. Why the hell wouldn't these?!? Lol

I'm not understanding your reasoning to believe otherwise.

If you're capable of explaining how ftg doesn't work, you should be able to explain how it DOES work.

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[KidGamer65]

2. What the... :lol Smh, I feel like just quitting what do you not see, look at the trees and compared them to the rocks, look at their size. These rocks are not small, they can carry things as big as Bijuus and Susano'Os. So don't bring up bullshit like ''only a foot away''. :lol

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isn't a meter nor does the scan show that from the center of the core to the nearest rock is a tree's width. Stop mentioning the size of the rocks, because the rocks aren't evenly spaced out from the core for you to claim that the size of the rocks means that they aren't right by the core. Stop mentioning the trees when the trees are down lower in the panel. That's not where Minato is teleporting to, he's teleporting right to the center where the rocks are closest to the core. Obviously.

And where are you getting "rocks as big as bijuu from"? :lol

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The rocks at the initial stages of the jutsu aren't anywhere near as large as Bijuu, they are only a few times bigger than the core, which is palm sized. :lol :lol :lol Read the Manga. That's what you have Minato warping to.



-Minato throws his Kunai.
-His Kunai reaches the core.
-He warps to the core, i.e., warps into a stream of incoming rocks and the incoming rocks destroy his clone.

Only way he warps the core is if he warps when the stream of rocks isn't that large or that fast, and that would be when CT is too large for him.

So I'll just consider this a concession since you are blatantly lying (what you do best) about what is shown in the Manga panels. :lol

3. It's an argument because Nagato has no reaction feats that can tell if he can dodge Minato's Hiraishin tricks or not, nor does he have feats to dodge Amaterasu despite having sensory skills, so even if he senses he build up, what is he going to do? :lol He can absorb it or use Shinra Tensei or use Fuuton, in the meanwhile, either one will kill with either Hiraishin or Totsuka. Your choice. Does it really matter? It's a two man team here.

No, it's not an argument, because Minato needs to actually get a marking near Nagato to blitz him and you've yet to explain how that happens. Amaterasu isn't an argument because you've yet to explain how someone who can predict it, repel it and put up an absorption barrier around his body before it's even used, will hit him in the first place. Then we have you over here saying "he'll be killed with Totsuka or Hiraishin" even though for that to happen, Minato will have to be able to get a Kunai over to Nagato without Nagato doing anything.

Nagato absorbed B's Bijuu form in seconds. It took not even a second to repel Amaterasu once Kabuto took control of Nagato. Why the hell would any of them be able to take him out while this is happening? Why would he not do anything? Amaterasu being on him doesn't mean he won't see what they are doing nor does it mean he can't act.

Go back to Skype son. NB clearly isn't for you.

Jesus Christ, so he commits a suicide bomb now? :lol Asura isn't blocking those kunai's unless he kills himself, which is totally fine. Besides, after all that rubble he would just give Itachi a distraction to stab him with Totsuka.

It's a projectile. Why would it kill him when the blast goes out forward? Jesus Christ you sound dumb. Did it kill him Asura Path when he used it at Konoha? No. That's how blasts works. They are fired forwards and then explode, IN FRONT OF THE USER. :lol

It's amazing how people this dumb actually exist.

 

[KidGamer65]

First Minato literally warps into a stream of incoming rocks and doesn't get hit now he can warp tagged objects without contact despite the Manga not having a single shred of support for this claim. It's always the S/T Shinobi that have people with the most foolish people with the most foolish arguments supporting them.

 

[Strict]

What exactly would stop Itachi from firing Amaterasu at CT's orb even before it starts to attract something? OP says full intel and also Itachi is healthy, means full sight (apart from the fact that Itachi can detect Chakra with his Sharingan and his limited sight has never shown to restrict his perception). It's simple. Nagato throws the orb, Itachi immediately fires Amaterasu at it. Plot is no argument ("Why didn't Itachi do it in the Manga then? Because the lesson was to escape with team work).

even though for that to happen, Minato will have to be able to get a Kunai over to Nagato without Nagato doing anything.

And if Itachi sends a swarm of crows to attack Nagato with a few of them being marked? Nagato will repel them to avoid Hiraishin and then, within the cooldown of ST, Minato will summon Gamabunta right above Nagato's head like he did to immediately pin down Kurama.

Or if Itachi sends an explosive bunshin in close range with Nagato? ST is again the only option to avoid damage from the explosion, and there we have the cooldown again.

Minato and Itachi have too many ways to provoke that cooldown. Plus, they have the advantage of superior number.

 

[KidGamer65]

What exactly would stop Itachi from firing Amaterasu at CT's orb even before it starts to attract something? OP says full intel and also Itachi is healthy, means full sight (apart from the fact that Itachi can detect Chakra with his Sharingan and his limited sight has never shown to restrict his perception). It's simple. Nagato throws the orb, Itachi immediately fires Amaterasu at it. Plot is no argument ("Why didn't Itachi do it in the Manga then? Because the lesson was to escape with team work).

Ok, something a million times more plausible than the rest of the nonsense in this thread. Is Itachi going to waste chakra on Amaterasu every single time Nagato tries to use Chibaku Tensei? Nagato forming the core is nowhere near as taxing as Itachi spamming Amaterasu and Nagato has far more chakra than Itachi does regardless of him being healthy or not. When Itachi is using Amaterasu he leaves himself open due to the fact that he can't maintain any Susanoo above Ribcage.

Or Nagato simply blasts the ground with Asura Path to create smoke and dust in the area to blind Itachi's vision and then takes that time to launch Chibaku Tensei.

And if Itachi sends a swarm of crows to attack Nagato with a few of them being marked? Nagato will repel them to avoid Hiraishin and then, within the cooldown of ST, Minato will summon Gamabunta right above Nagato's head like he did to immediately pin down Kurama.

Or if Itachi sends an explosive bunshin in close range with Nagato? ST is again the only option to avoid damage from the explosion, and there we have the cooldown again.

Minato and Itachi have too many ways to provoke that cooldown. Plus, they have the advantage of superior number.

This plan assumes that to counter the simplest attacks Nagato will have to make use of Shinra Tensei. Nagato is perfectly mobile here. He can simply evade Itachi's swarm of crows, or instead of using Shinra Tensei to repel them he can use his Fuuton to repel them.

Lmao @ the bold. Part 1 Kakashi was able to prevent himself from getting damaged yet you are trying to argue that Nagato needs the ability to control gravity to counter an explosive clone? Nagato claps his hands, summons his Panda and blocks the brunt of the explosion. Or Nagato simply obliterates the clone before it gets that close to him. And I could go on.

Match either ends with Chibaku Tensei or 30 minutes pass and Itachi can't maintain V4 or the Spirit Weapons anymore and CST crushes him.

 

[Strict]

Fair enough. Or Nagato could counter the crows just by shooting missiles with Shurado. Just like he could stop Kunai with missiles.