[VS] War Arc Gaara vs. Kakuzu

[BenjerminGaye]

Irrelevant. Its "changed in nature" with Katon was goring the earth by feats. DB states it can gore the earth on its own. It will be no different from FRS explosion(gale force) crater but we dont look at FRS being weak justu.

youre saying that but it never 'gored' the earth when it was used. and the wind from frs didn't 'gore the earth either' that comes from the rasengan itself exploding, something it's been doing since day 1.

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Obviously the explosion of frs is bigger but you should get the point.

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So because wind rasengan and Water Release: Tearing Torrent canceled out the 2 masks you're assuming that all parts on both sides are equal.
When all it really means is the sums of both sides are equal.(what you think 20+20=20+20 what it actually is (a+b)=(x+y)

Nevertheless you don't even know how efficient naruto and yamato's collaboration was (sasuke had to use his ems to get the ratio right going from what looks like just a huge amaterasu to something that looks a actual combination of the two techniques) nor did you factor in how wind helps and bolsters fire while you casually overlooked the fat that water gains no such benefit from wind.

But im supposed to take your word on that.

He dodged it. The the sheer force behind the attack (dispite it missing him) teared his garment apart and you thinks thats weak? Come on now.

he still got clipped by it. It didn't do much.

 

[Zexion~]

Hidan tanked Atsugai.

So what you're saying is any human can tank the jutsu? Hidan has no special durability he simply is unaffected by the cause of the damage.

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Longer version of Raikiri >> Sand, if Gaara enters his "ultimate defense" mode for any reason this fight ends :lol unless you wana give me feats that say his sand can now tank electricity better.

Sand is also affected by heat in case you didn't know...


It is kind of annoying that everyone has to make a meme out of those who argue for the immortals our arguments aren't retarded :lol none of this hate was ever present for the constant Sasori wankers either that plagued the site and stated he could go toe-to-toe with Gaara

 

[Forbidden Technique]

SRA Gaara Vs Kakuzu is a much more competitive match.

Right from a distance, that is true. But still failed along with Kakashi closer range. DB state they can act as a separate organism and feats shows Kakuzu able to control them by will so its both.

Okay, and Gaara is a long distance fighter. But I don't agree, notice how close they were to Chouji after he used his expansion jutsu

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It was from that distance that Chouji began his physical reaction. The masks speed was no problem for him at all. It's easy to conclude that the threads within Kakuzu operate much faster then the masks.

and what its the truth.

Facts, but we've all been over this countless of times with Kakuzu supporters, Brother Humpsay especially. You can already see what you've started. I'm avoiding that discussion like a dead beat father.

 

[KidGamer65]

So what you're saying is any human can tank the jutsu? Hidan has no special durability he simply is unaffected by the cause of the damage.






Longer version of Raikiri >> Sand, if Gaara enters his "ultimate defense" mode for any reason this fight ends :lol unless you wana give me feats that say his sand can now tank electricity better.

Sand is also affected by heat in case you didn't know...

No, I'm saying that Hidan can tank the jutsu. Thus it's not anything special. If Hidan had no special durability he wouldn't come out of Atsugai looking the exact same way he did after getting hit. Atsugai is a Fuuton explosion. You saying it only does internal damage is based on nothing. Kakashi had scuffs and he had a tear in his clothing despite not even being hit by it.


Uh no. :lol When it comes to penetration and overall power output 5 V3 Susanoo clone swords>>>Raikiri, and that was just a small wall of his gourd sand. A single one was tanked and a single one is still more powerful than Raikiri. It having more reach is irrelevant. If Gaara can soften enough of the blow to not take a direct hit then Raikiri and Gian are never piercing his defense. Not in a million and a half years so don't even try to argue it.

Yes, I know. Hot enough heat turns Sand into glass, but if Gaara can block Enton w/ small goops of sand and be ok then Katon+Fuuton isn't doing anything major in the heat department.

 

[Zexion~]

No, I'm saying that Hidan can tank the jutsu. Thus it's not anything special. If Hidan had no special durability he wouldn't come out of Atsugai looking the exact same way he did after getting hit. Atsugai is a Fuuton explosion. You saying it only does internal damage is based on nothing. Kakashi had scuffs and he had a tear in his clothing despite not even being hit by it.

Yet he was physically wounded by Asuma's puny katon? KG Please........

I guess its been a while

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Please for the first time in years go look up what extreme air pressure does to a person, it exploding is simply describing how it bursts into such a wide area in such a quick time :lol not to mention it doesn't matter an explosiong containing that kind of dense air would deal heavy internal damage. Then of course you could ask yourself what kind of damage people suffer when hit with heavy explosions that don't contain a high quantity of flames... their insides get destroyed USE COMMON LOGIC MORE

Well I guess its not exactly common logic

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Uh no. :lol When it comes to penetration and overall power output 5 V3 Susanoo clone swords>>>Raikiri, and that was just a small wall of his gourd sand. A single one was tanked and a single one is still more powerful than Raikiri. It having more reach is irrelevant. If Gaara can soften enough of the blow to not take a direct hit then Raikiri and Gian are never piercing his defense. Not in a million and a half years so don't even try to argue it.

I guess you don't realize that its the properties of raiton that **** up the sand...the energy from the electricity and the heat from it as well both soften the sand allowing for the penetration to occur, Clone V3 Swords are sharp sure but you're not seriously going to tell me that Gaara could go from his greatest defense getting pierced by Chidori from his random sand blocking Madara's attacks with no logic attatched? Come on me'boyyyy

Yes, I know. Hot enough heat turns Sand into glass, but if Gaara can block Enton w/ small goops of sand and be ok then Katon+Fuuton isn't doing anything major in the heat department.

Enton doesn't have force attached to it as well though, and I'm pretty sure that sand started softening in the manga did it not.

 

[Icelerate]

Gian isn't equal to Raikiri in piercing power. Raikiri's power is focused in Kakashi's fingers whereas gian's power is distributed over a surface area larger than Kakashi's own body.

Gaara wins low difficulty.

 

[Zexion~]

Gian isn't equal to Raikiri in piercing power. Raikiri's power is focused in Kakashi's fingers whereas gian's power is distributed over a surface area larger than Kakashi's own body.

Gaara wins low difficulty.

Its a sharp lightning bolt though, and was stated in the DB to be an incredibly strong piercing attack that combined with the fact that it has the same amount of chakra as Raikiri..... Stahp Ice

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Its a sharp lightning bolt though, and was stated in the DB to be an incredibly strong piercing attack that combined with the fact that it has the same amount of chakra as Raikiri..... Stahp Ice

raikiri's power comes from its thrust and focus. kakashi's hands weren't moving and it was dissipated over his entire palm = weaker raikiri.

 

[Icelerate]

Its a sharp lightning bolt though, and was stated in the DB to be an incredibly strong piercing attack that combined with the fact that it has the same amount of chakra as Raikiri..... Stahp Ice

Databook claimed that it is so powerful that it can even pierce through rock. Such amazing hype, I'm in so much awe. In the databook, Raikiri is hyped to be able to pierce through anything. Having twice as much chakra is irrelevant when Raikiri is many times more dense.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yet he was physically wounded by Asuma's puny katon? KG Please........

I guess its been a while

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Please for the first time in years go look up what extreme air pressure does to a person, it exploding is simply describing how it bursts into such a wide area in such a quick time :lol not to mention it doesn't matter an explosiong containing that kind of dense air would deal heavy internal damage. Then of course you could ask yourself what kind of damage people suffer when hit with heavy explosions that don't contain a high quantity of flames... their insides get destroyed USE COMMON LOGIC MORE

Well I guess its not exactly common logic

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Lmao. That's fire. Nice try though. How does being burnt by Katon change the fact he's more durable than the average person? Oh wait, it doesn't.

Lmao. I'm not interested in the same arguments you make every time someone questions Atsugai's power. It dealing internal damage doesn't mean it won't do anything externally. Suggesting so is idiotic. Hirudora is literally the same type of attack as Atsugai, condensed air pressure, yet Hirudora fucked Kisame up and you could see it. So tell me more about how Atsugai does nothing externally but does serious damage internally? lmao. Type of sense does that even make? :lol None.

Use common sense. It seems to escape you whenever Kakuzu or Hidan are involved in the discussion. :lol

I guess you don't realize that its the properties of raiton that **** up the sand...the energy from the electricity and the heat from it as well both soften the sand allowing for the penetration to occur, Clone V3 Swords are sharp sure but you're not seriously going to tell me that Gaara could go from his greatest defense getting pierced by Chidori from his random sand blocking Madara's attacks with no logic attatched? Come on me'boyyyy

Lel. And you wonder why people make a meme out of you guys. Where has Gian shown the energy and heat needed to soften GAARA'S SAND to the point where he'd pierce through it completely? If I used the whole "heat and energy logic" I'd be saying that C3 should've softened Gaara's Sand and blown it to bits.

Yet it didn't. When you start bringing science into these arguments instead of simply using the simplest explanation, that Sasuke pierced Gaara's Sand because Chidori is that strong because it foils your argument, you already know you are losing.

Lol in 3 years? Yes as the Manga clearly shows. Not interested in whether or not you think it's possible because you don't have any concrete evidence saying it's impossible. Meanwhile I have scans of him blocking Susanoo Swords and scans of him failing to block Chidori in Part 1.

Enton doesn't have force attached to it as well though, and I'm pretty sure that sand started softening in the manga did it not.

Was only talking about heat. When it comes to force there's no point trying to argue that Katon amped by Fuuton busts through Gaara's Sand, and whatever happened to it didn't stop it from functioning so in the end it did nothing major.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

-Says "Atsugai can gore the earth, thus it's comparable to FRS that also makes a crater in the ground even though no jutsu Kakuzu has ever used has ever shown to make a crater anywhere as deep as FRS's crater. What do you even base this shit on?

Here goes skewing my points then ask what I based on point on right in the middle of my arguments I mentioned.

First of all Atsugai can gore the earth didnt come straight out of the ass, the DB source supports the notion period. And I used the very fact that its change in nature help Kakuzu's Katon do just that by feats. Did you read the bold part now? Kakuzu's Katon range simply covers the range of opponents footing, so its hitbox will only gore out that much land. So dont bother brining up that Katon would be capable of making craters such as FRS.

2.) The only thing I matched between Atsugai and FRS in its arc, is the Gale Force output power they both produce (or could) and nothing else. So putting words in my mouth I said Atsugai =FRS is just straight grasping straws.

-Cries "Hidan is immortal so Atsugai's pathetic feat doesn't count", even though Hidan being immortal means that he doesn't die, not that he's invulnerable to damage. :lol If he comes out completely unscathed from a jutsu then the jutsu isn't shit, especially compared to FRS.

Your confusing crying with pity. The jutsu kills by the sheer pressure the jutsu produces, which once again can't use ABC logic to determine the strength of the jutsu to someone who defines it. If I were to pretend I am as smart as you I would go on and argue that Shikimaru's knife>Atsugai or that Kakashi (who is as durable as Hidan) can come out unscathed also and a point blank shot. Or even branch out further and say Chidori>TBB based on the results done against Gyuuki.

-Cites a DB page about change in chakra nature and jutsu of the same element clashing, even though that has jack to do with Atsugai and FRS. Where did FRS and Atsugai, two jutsu of the same element, clash and stalemate for you to start making retarded claims like "Atsugai=FRS from Base Naruto during the Wind Arc"? Inb4 this guy starts talking about his Katon Fuuton combo vs. Naruto's Wind Release Rasengan (AKA NOT FRS. AKA FAR WEAKER THAN FRS WITH FAR LESS WIND CHAKRA) + Yamato's Suiton, which did not stalemate the Katon, it overpowered it)

Lmao thats how change in nature works KG. The same way Naruto needed to adjust his wind jutsu from balancing with Yamato is the same damn thing Kakuzu had to do with his own Katon from over fueling the wind chakra from combining. At the end of the day Naruto's Futon had to match Kakuzu's, because as stated in the manga, Suiton is not enough to take out Katon+Futon combo. Which it did not overpowered but canceled.

I then compare the result from both that these two justsu have something familiar and that's the ability to create an Explosive Gale Force of Wind.

:lol Can't say I'm surprised though given the nonsense you've spewed in the past. My sig is just one of many instances.

The only thing funny with that sig is how tired I was making a complete sentence fussing with you. What I find funny is that you actually think the point itself doesn't make sense and the need to flaunt it. But I really dont have the patience to argue against our "grudge matches" (which literally only you keep to your dear heart) in the past.

 

[Zexion~]

Lmao. That's fire. Nice try though. How does being burnt by Katon change the fact he's more durable than the average person? Oh wait, it doesn't.

Lmao. I'm not interested in the same arguments you make every time someone questions Atsugai's power. It dealing internal damage doesn't mean it won't do anything externally. Suggesting so is idiotic. Hirudora is literally the same type of attack as Atsugai, condensed air pressure, yet Hirudora fucked Kisame up and you could see it. So tell me more about how Atsugai does nothing externally but does serious damage internally? lmao. Type of sense does that even make? :lol None.

Use common sense. It seems to escape you whenever Kakuzu or Hidan are involved in the discussion. :lol




Lel. And you wonder why people make a meme out of you guys. Where has Gian shown the energy and heat needed to soften GAARA'S SAND to the point where he'd pierce through it completely? If I used the whole "heat and energy logic" I'd be saying that C3 should've softened Gaara's Sand and blown it to bits.

Yet it didn't. When you start bringing science into these arguments instead of simply using the simplest explanation, that Sasuke pierced Gaara's Sand because Chidori is that strong because it foils your argument, you already know you are losing.

Lol in 3 years? Yes as the Manga clearly shows. Not interested in whether or not you think it's possible because you don't have any concrete evidence saying it's impossible. Meanwhile I have scans of him blocking Susanoo Swords and scans of him failing to block Chidori in Part 1.





Was only talking about heat. When it comes to force there's no point trying to argue that Katon amped by Fuuton busts through Gaara's Sand, and whatever happened to it didn't stop it from functioning so in the end it did nothing major.

Nah F this you guys are going to make me fail school so I'm just arguing atsugai here.

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-------->>>>>> This proves my point man, Yes Kisame had more cuts and bruises but is that what beat Kisame so badly that he couldn't stand KG? Nope that would be the injuries that he recieved inside of his body that an explosion hammers you with, only difference here is that Hidan isn't affected by those injuries while Kisame is. Hirudora also is a stronger EXPLOSION than atsugai as it shrinks first garnering extreme force behind it before exploding like a mofo which in turn caused the much more bruises on Kisame as well, although I think we can both agree the fact that Kishi didn't give Hidan even an inch of wounds is a bit ridiculous and another outcome of a rushed arc....

You literally have proven my point for me after all these years so I'm not replying man it should be obvious it deals internal damage WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS FIGHT AT ALL REALLY, Gaara's sand can most likely defend against it.




-C3 doesn't pierce its brunt so the soft sand can still tank the explosion if used in massive quantities....whcih it was

-It doesn't bust through his sand but it blocks his view for a bit.

raikiri's power comes from its thrust and focus. kakashi's hands weren't moving and it was dissipated over his entire palm = weaker raikiri.

This is dumb asf, obviously his piercing comes from the force he creates but him moving his hands doesn't give it more chakra in the slightest :lol which is what is required to cancel out another jutsu

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Speaking of which, Kakuzu is so quick, Shikamaru dodged his blindside attack [

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I'm sorry, but anytime there's a thread where everyone is collectively roasting Kakuzu, I feel obligated to join.

 

[Zexion~]

Speaking of which, Kakuzu is so quick, Shikamaru dodged his blindside attack [

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]. He'll definitely dodge Gaara's sand attacks, especially the large scaled ones, before one shotting with the pattented juubi sized Raiton Gian. But, why do that when he can just turn all the sand into glass with Katon Zukkoku?

I'm sorry, but anytime there's a thread where everyone is collectively roasting Kakuzu, I feel obligated to join.

That feat is pointless as it wasn't blindside if Shikamaru heard him coming, meanwhile Kakashi couldn't avoid a blindside attack later so unless you're saying Shika>Kakashi even a mid-battle one than please stop bringing it up, your roasts are pointless as no one said that KG brought up glass I said no such thing.

 

[KidGamer65]

Here goes skewing my points then ask what I based on point on right in the middle of my arguments I mentioned.

First of all Atsugai can gore the earth didnt come straight out of the ass, the DB source supports the notion period. And I used the very fact that its change in nature help Kakuzu's Katon do just that by feats. Did you read the bold part now? Kakuzu's Katon range simply covers the range of opponents footing, so its hitbox will only gore out that much land. So dont bother brining up that Katon would be capable of making craters such as FRS.

I don't care whether or not it can damage the Earth. No one denied that. Can it create a crater as large as the one FRS made?

No. So stop mentioning this.

2.) The only thing I matched between Atsugai and FRS in its arc, is the Gale Force output power they both produce (or could) and nothing else. So putting words in my mouth I said Atsugai =FRS is just straight grasping straws.

They aren't equal in any measure, whether it be "gale force" or overall power. So again, stop making these dumb arguments. :lol

Your confusing crying with pity. The jutsu kills by the sheer pressure the jutsu produces, which once again can't use ABC logic to determine the strength of the jutsu to someone who defines it. If I were to pretend I am as smart as you I would go on and argue that Shikimaru's knife>Atsugai or that Kakashi (who is as durable as Hidan) can come out unscathed also and a point blank shot. Or even branch out further and say Chidori>TBB based on the results done against Gyuuki.

:lol It's hilarious how stupid your posts get sometimes. Shikamaru's knife>Atsugai and Chidori>Bijuu Dama are irrelevant claims that have nothing to do with what is being stated here. No one is comparing Atsugai to any jutsu here besides you trying to compare it to FRS. So why are you typing all this horseshit up?

-Atsugai didn't do shit to Hidan.
-Thus it's not doing a thing to Gaara's Sand.
-Thus it's not an amazing jutsu like fanboys try to make it.

And no, Kakashi being as durable as Hidan is based on nothing just like 99% of the things you type.

Lmao thats how change in nature works KG. The same way Naruto needed to adjust his wind jutsu from balancing with Yamato is the same damn thing Kakuzu had to do with his own Katon from over fueling the wind chakra from combining. At the end of the day Naruto's Futon had to match Kakuzu's, because as stated in the manga, Suiton is not enough to take out Katon+Futon combo. Which it did not overpowered but canceled.

Lmao. I could type at least 2 paragraphs on why this argument is dumb. The most glaring flaw in your nonsense argument is that Wind Release Rasengan is not Rasen Shuriken. The latter is far stronger than the other with far more wind chakra so how in the hell are you comparing FRS's change in chakra nature to Atsugai's? :lol

If anything your nonsense comparison would show that Kakuzu's Fuuton=Wind Release Rasengan which is nowhere near FRS when it comes to the amount of Fuuton chakra.

The only thing funny with that sig is how tired I was making a complete sentence fussing with you. What I find funny is that you actually think the point itself doesn't make sense and the need to flaunt it. But I really dont have the patience to argue against our "grudge matches" (which literally only you keep to your dear heart) in the past.

The only thing funny about that sig is how stupid it sounds. (Imagine actually thinking KCM Naruto's body is as durable as Susanoo) Don't try to make excuses now sonny boy.

 

[Zexion~]

Databook claimed that it is so powerful that it can even pierce through rock. Such amazing hype, I'm in so much awe. In the databook, Raikiri is hyped to be able to pierce through anything. Having twice as much chakra is irrelevant when Raikiri is many times more dense.

Terrible again, as it was said to pierce lightning yet all it did was get overpowered by Gian

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Reply Tomorrow, if I am still interested.

youre saying that but it never 'gored' the earth when it was used.

Thats not relevant Ben as I told KG, Katon is built around taking the enemies footing. So its only breaking apart its hitbox range. I was exaggerating but my point stands.

and the wind from frs didn't 'gore the earth either' that comes from the rasengan itself exploding, something it's been doing since day 1.

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Obviously the explosion of frs is bigger but you should get the point.

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] DB says otherwise but your point still stands and at the same time irrelevant.

So because wind rasengan and Water Release: Tearing Torrent canceled out the 2 masks you're assuming that all parts on both sides are equal.

You need to clarify what you mean because I clearly only mention the Gale force of both Naruto and Kakuzu's matched.

When all it really means is the sums of both sides are equal.(what you think 20+20=20+20 what it actually is (a+b)=(x+y)

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Nevertheless you don't even know how efficient naruto and yamato's collaboration was (sasuke had to use his ems to get the ratio right going from what looks like just a huge amaterasu to something that looks a actual combination of the two techniques) nor did you factor in how wind helps and bolsters fire while you casually overlooked the fat that water gains no such benefit from wind.

What is there to know then whats shown on screen. I didnt implying any downplaying here. What Naruto and Yamato did was impressive! To mix chakra natures in a way (as Edo Gokages praised) is a hard feat to do! And whats even better is that both elements are not even compatible! Sasuke had to do what he had to do when Enton>>>>>Futon so of course he was implying trouble but still succeed. Still impressive feats for both.

he still got clipped by it. It didn't do much.

Speculation. Sharingan saw through the attack and he escaped as manga stated.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nah F this you guys are going to make me fail school so I'm just arguing atsugai here.

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-------->>>>>> This proves my point man, Yes Kisame had more cuts and bruises but is that what beat Kisame so badly that he couldn't stand KG? Nope that would be the injuries that he recieved inside of his body that an explosion hammers you with, only difference here is that Hidan isn't affected by those injuries while Kisame is. Hirudora also is a stronger EXPLOSION than atsugai as it shrinks first garnering extreme force behind it before exploding like a mofo which in turn caused the much more bruises on Kisame as well, although I think we can both agree the fact that Kishi didn't give Hidan even an inch of wounds is a bit ridiculous and another outcome of a rushed arc....

You literally have proven my point for me after all these years so I'm not replying man it should be obvious it deals internal damage WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS FIGHT AT ALL REALLY, Gaara's sand can most likely defend against it.

No one was arguing that the serious damage from Atsugai doesn't come from the internal damage. The argument here is that saying Atsugai didn't do anything to Hidan externally because "lol air pressure" is nonsensical and that's exactly what that Hirudora scan shows. It's like you aren't even reading before you reply.

And underlined is an excuse. A ridiculous one since he decided to make it clear that Kakashi got grazed by the attack and drew some bruises and shit on him yet Hidan was unscathed from the same exact encounter. :lol

-C3 doesn't pierce its brunt so the soft sand can still tank the explosion if used in massive quantities....whcih it was

-It doesn't bust through his sand but it blocks his view for a bit.

So? Why would it piercing or not change anything about energy and heat? Your argument is that it's easier to pierce because the heat and energy makes it softer. Sure, the amount of sand used to block C3 was larger than what will be used for Gian, but C3>>>>Gian in terms of energy output and heat.

-Chidori pierced the sand dome because of it's penetrative power.
-Gian is tanked with little to absolutely no damage as Gaara can protect himself from 5 Susanoo blades with a sand wall not from his gourd.

I mean, and that accomplishes what at the end of the day? Blocking his view doesn't help him here at all.

 

[Zexion~]

No one was arguing that the serious damage from Atsugai doesn't come from the internal damage. The argument here is that saying Atsugai didn't do anything to Hidan externally because "lol air pressure" is nonsensical and that's exactly what that Hirudora scan shows. It's like you aren't even reading before you reply.

And underlined is an excuse. A ridiculous one since he decided to make it clear that Kakashi got grazed by the attack and drew some bruises and shit on him yet Hidan was unscathed from the same exact encounter. :lol

Whaat...But..I...Just....Okay, what are you arguing here than? You can't see internal damage hence why no damaged is visible......Hidan seems unaffected because he doesn't suffer from the internal damage attacks give him as has been shown millions of times..... KG I'm never arguing this with you again as you just proved my point and made no point of your own. As I said Hirudora threw Kisame much more than it did Hidan hence the more bruises all over his body, if the majority of the attack comes from internal damage which Hidan is impervious to, you saying Hidan tanked is literally ridiculous and means nothing.

I also just read the chapter and saw no bruises




I don't have the effort to argue this more so whatever I said Gaara wins, and he still can't Kill Kakuzu so it takes medium effort at the least

 

[Brother Numpsay]

SRA Gaara Vs Kakuzu is a much more competitive match.

Its all fun and games roasting characters but downplaying feats its just being careless.

Okay, and Gaara is a long distance fighter. But I don't agree, notice how close they were to Chouji after he used his expansion jutsu

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Im not implying that those Mask are going to be blitzing Gaara. This was addressing the argument use to say they cant dodge Gaara's sand attacks due to the lack of speed feats.

It was from that distance that Chouji began his physical reaction. The masks speed was no problem for him at all. It's easy to conclude that the threads within Kakuzu operate much faster then the masks

Bro the panels you cut out are the ones where he began his physical reaction. The panel here is where he was in position to attack.