Hirashin feats are actually gargabe

[Angelic.]

I read garbage as harambe
:elmo:

 

[Jokule67]

True and Exactly why i don't get why people bring this up. She was about to get hit and was forced the change the dimension. The only reason it wasn't successful is because Sasuke's body was affected by the gravity..the attack itself wasn't a failure.


EMS Users > Hirashin Users >/= MS users.

If the attack didnt land it was a failure. You cant deny facts when it suits you.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

It proves that FTG is not garbage at all. Never was. Without it everyone would be dead from Jubbito.

He also saved pretty much everybody in konoha.... didn't he ftg a tbb? Totally useless

 

[shelke]

It proves that FTG is not garbage at all. Never was. Without it everyone would be dead from Jubbito.

You can thank Kurama, Tobirama and Naruto for that. Furthermore, I am talking about a versus battle. Your example doesn't fall under it.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Lol, you kidding:

- Failed against Kaguya more than once
- Failed against RSM Naruto even with a Katon distraction
- Failed against Fused Momoshiki

Not exactly if it forced her to alter the situation. Sasuke was more trying to get her to change the dimension or force her into a situation that she would have to and not exactly to have a sucessful hit with Ameno. He obviously knew that he wouldn't actually touch her because of the gravity.

- That's not true.

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- Ok that's arguably the only one but that's only because Momoshiki was fused.

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How is Minato greater than an MS user again? I swear this guy is a hyperbole. No need for facts or feats.



Nah.

Well if we say an MS user we know that some awaken different powers at different times but if you mean a seasoned MS user then no I don't see how he beats them or maybe stalemates them?

 

[shelke]

Well if we say an MS user we know that some awaken different powers at different times but if you mean a seasoned MS user then no I don't see how he beats them or maybe stalemates them?

He can't beat any MS user (yes, I am including Adult Obito). He gets humiliated. They are on a completely different tier compared to this one trick pony.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Zetsu was created by Kaguya, the only person who ever came close to sensing him was Hashirama in his prime vs Madara. No one has ever sensed him throughout the manga. The scan shows harashin working against a rinnegan user.

PS. Even if Madara sensed Zetsu he believed Zetsu was on his side. So he didn't do anything.

But at that time he was using Obito's body so Madara should have sensed it coming up behind him. How do you explain that?

But that close? the moment Zetsu touched him he should have been able to react if his reaction and sensing was really quantifiabe

Momokinshiki the only other character thats up there with Gid tier characters. It failed. So yeah.

And also FTG has plenty of feats. Saving the alliance twice, defeating whole platoons, and still staying on Obito his whole life. Not to mention damaging Juubito with double FTG.

There's a perfect explanation for Madara(Sage Mode/Six Paths Senjutsu Sensing), which is the only ninja it failed against because of this.

Naruto was even able to sense Sasuke use Ameno, and Momo sensed Sasuke. Space Time Techs dont block sensing.

Basically, if Muu had FTG he'd be stronger.

Well I did say besides being used on Fodder it's really garbage. FTG didn't save the aliance, Kurama's chakra did.

JJ Madara and 1RSM Madara also reacted to it and 1RSM Madara did it with his base reaction speed.

Sensing Ameno and being able to react are two different things. Naruto faced the same fate as Madara did when Sasuke cut him in half.

The difference between FTG and Ameno is that with Ameno you can attack DURING Ameno taking place while you can't with FTG plus You don't need Markings and it can make portals. It's better in everyway actually

 

[SasukeSixPack]

He can't beat any MS user (yes, I am including Adult Obito). He gets humiliated. They are on a completely different tier compared to this one trick pony.

Obito didn't really change anything when he became an adult btw, that one sounds iffy. How did you come to that conclusion. I guess I'll agree with the other MS users because I don't see how he gets around Susano'o or things like Amaterasu and Gen

 

[shelke]

Obito didn't really change anything when he became an adult btw, that one sounds iffy. How did you come to that conclusion. I guess I'll agree with the other MS users because I don't see how he gets around Susano'o or things like Amaterasu and Gen

He did. He tends to be more aware of his surroundings, which is why, attacks from behind go through him as well. He didn't use any Katon techs either. Not any genjutsu. That limited his arsenal greatly in the first fight.

If Teenage Bee can outspeed him in reflex action twice, he isn't surprising any MS user with Hirashin even without Susano'o.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

But at that time he was using Obito's body so Madara should have sensed it coming up behind him. How do you explain that?

But that close? the moment Zetsu touched him he should have been able to react if his reaction and sensing was really quantifiabe

Well I did say besides being used on Fodder it's really garbage. FTG didn't save the aliance, Kurama's chakra did.

JJ Madara and 1RSM Madara also reacted to it and 1RSM Madara did it with his base reaction speed.

Sensing Ameno and being able to react are two different things. Naruto faced the same fate as Madara did when Sasuke cut him in half.

The difference between FTG and Ameno is that with Ameno you can attack DURING Ameno taking place while you can't with FTG plus You don't need Markings and it can make portals. It's better in everyway actually

I dunno dude. Ftg saved konoha from a tbb, it helped land a legit hit on obito(as a teen and a jj) it saved Gai, was used to help kill izuna. Got sasuke to naruto to fight jj mads, avoided ay's fastest speed, saved kakashis life, that's all I can think off the top of my head, for being a non physical attack jutsu it has a decent amount of feats.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

He did. He tends to be more aware of his surroundings, which is why, attacks from behind go through him as well. He didn't use any Katon techs either. Not any genjutsu. That limited his arsenal greatly in the first fight.

If Teenage Bee can outspeed him in reflex action twice, he isn't surprising any MS user with Hirashin even without Susano'o.

Hiraishin has been used to blitz an ms user, see izuna

 

[shelke]

Hiraishin has been used to blitz an ms user, see izuna

I am talking about Minato. Tobirama's reflex action speed far outclasses him.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I am talking about Minato. Tobirama's reflex action speed far outclasses him.

Minato did a fair job against teen obito, considering he had to analyze kamui while in actual combat. Obito messed up, he underestimated him end of story "but obito could of done this" coulda woulda shoulda what happened happened. Plus obito already KNEW what minato was capable of, minato had no clue. Could he have done better? Yeah, but considering the circumstances he wasn't too shabby

 

[SasukeSixPack]

I dunno dude. Ftg saved konoha from a tbb, it helped land a legit hit on obito(as a teen and a jj) it saved Gai, was used to help kill izuna. Got sasuke to naruto to fight jj mads, avoided ay's fastest speed, saved kakashis life, that's all I can think off the top of my head, for being a non physical attack jutsu it has a decent amount of feats.

Your perspective is pretty baised here unexpectedly.
FTG isn't STB IIRC. Obito got hit in his blind spot and the fact that he thought Kamui could end Minato must mean something. Before being hit as a JJ it removed Minato's arm. Gai wasn't even fazed by the TSB's he could have easily maneuverd around them it would be different if he was actually asking for help. it would obviously avoid any speed because it's a S/T Ninjutsu. Any S/T Ninjutsu could avoid Ay's speed so that's not exactly impressive and saving Kakashi falls under the same category just like Obito saved Sasuke, like Sasuke saved himself from the Lava, like Tobirama saved them from the exploding goudama. You'll have to list things that are actually impressive when compared to other S/T ninjutsu's

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Your perspective is pretty baised here unexpectedly.
FTG isn't STB IIRC. Obito got hit in his blind spot and the fact that he thought Kamui could end Minato must mean something. Before being hit as a JJ it removed Minato's arm. Gai wasn't even fazed by the TSB's he could have easily maneuverd around them it would be different if he was actually asking for help. it would obviously avoid any speed because it's a S/T Ninjutsu. Any S/T Ninjutsu could avoid Ay's speed so that's not exactly impressive and saving Kakashi falls under the same category just like Obito saved Sasuke, like Sasuke saved himself from the Lava, like Tobirama saved them from the exploding goudama. You'll have to list things that are actually impressive when compared to other S/T ninjutsu's

how are they biased? I simply listed some things done with ftg lol and anyhow, why compare it to the other s/t jutsus we've seen? Iirc it's the only learnable one, it's a jutsu anyone can attempt to learn. Kamui and ameno, and kaguyas (the only other 3 I could think of) are all specific to one person and pretty haxx. Not that there's anything wrong with that, just pointing it out

 

[shelke]

Minato did a fair job against teen obito, considering he had to analyze kamui while in actual combat. Obito messed up, he underestimated him end of story "but obito could of done this" coulda woulda shoulda what happened happened. Plus obito already KNEW what minato was capable of, minato had no clue. Could he have done better? Yeah, but considering the circumstances he wasn't too shabby

His analysis was not complete, though. I didn't talk about could haves at all, I am using Adult Obito here.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Your perspective is pretty baised here unexpectedly.
FTG isn't STB IIRC. Obito got hit in his blind spot and the fact that he thought Kamui could end Minato must mean something. Before being hit as a JJ it removed Minato's arm. Gai wasn't even fazed by the TSB's he could have easily maneuverd around them it would be different if he was actually asking for help. it would obviously avoid any speed because it's a S/T Ninjutsu. Any S/T Ninjutsu could avoid Ay's speed so that's not exactly impressive and saving Kakashi falls under the same category just like Obito saved Sasuke, like Sasuke saved himself from the Lava, like Tobirama saved them from the exploding goudama. You'll have to list things that are actually impressive when compared to other S/T ninjutsu's

space time barrier's name is flying thunder god: guiding thunder

 

[Jokule67]

You can thank Kurama, Tobirama and Naruto for that. Furthermore, I am talking about a versus battle. Your example doesn't fall under it.

Without FTG they'd be dust dude. Tobirma cant teleport multiple people. Minato transported the juubi bomb and the entire shinobi alliance. And okay I get what you are reffering to.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

His analysis was not complete, though. I didn't talk about could haves at all, I am using Adult Obito here.

Ah word,I thought I saw you saying teen obito could of used fire jutsus and whatnot, if not then my mistake. Your right it wasn't complete, it was just enough for him to land a hit, although like I said, analyzing mid battle isn't a cake walk. I will agree that adult obito shouldn't have much of a problem with him though considering they've already squared off

 

[TillIFoundOut]

So bro, what would Sasuke do if an explosive tag ends up on the cloth of his new born son?