Hirashin feats are actually gargabe

[shelke]

Bias Sasuke fans who hate naruto and his fam, not event worth reading comments or threads by these people peace and btw, I highly doubt that susanno is going to be that fast for sasuke to throw a cloth with an activated explosive tag to protect his son, and say it does, that feat of being able to escape emergency situations like that is top level

If it can be activated before lightning hit the ground, then a speed of a mediocre tag-bomb isn't anything special. CM2 and snakes summons are pretty damn fast as well. Sasuke used the former when the C2 bomb (its shockwave has immense speed) had already gone off and the latter was used when anyother clay bomb had been thrown down. You think a tag-bomb's explosion and shockwave velocity is better? Sure.

 

[DHOH]

FTG is far from garbage, I think its a top five jutsu in the manga.

 

[Guntah]

You know the thread's gonna be a good one when the OP misspells "garbage" in its title.

 

[NarutoX28]

Minato nearly punked Raikage in a single exchange between the two.

It's not a pathetic jutsu by any means, but God Tier Ninja have the reflexes to counter it because clearly, not only do they have elite sensing capabilities, but Minato doesn't move instantaneously after warping to his marking. The main issue is that most people believe Minato has legendary reflexes and speed because of his excellent performances he's had which were only possible through Hiraishin. Minato's certainly above Sannin Level, but his speed and reflexes aren't legendary by any means and people need to understand that.

 

[Warlocks]

I am sure the barrier was down as Obito took care of the ninjas.

lol u got him

 

[KidGamer65]

-Yes, I agree that Hiraishin users are around MS users in terms of strength.
-Hiraishin is not better than Kamui overall. This was even stated in the Manga.
-Hiraishin's feats aren't garbage. Most of it's usage in the Manga was against Juubi Jinchuuriki. Naturally they are going to make people like Minato and Tobirama look like fodder.

 

[Kakooli]

Temari beats ftg with one swipe of her fan.

 

[shelke]

Minato nearly punked Raikage in a single exchange between the two.

It's not a pathetic jutsu by any means, but God Tier Ninja have the reflexes to counter it because clearly, not only do they have elite sensing capabilities, but Minato doesn't move instantaneously after warping to his marking. The main issue is that most people believe Minato has legendary reflexes and speed because of his excellent performances he's had which were only possible through Hiraishin. Minato's certainly above Sannin Level, but his speed and reflexes aren't legendary by any means and people need to understand that.

He never had any hopes of punking Raikage.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

He never had any hopes of punking Raikage.

You don't think so? Both they're games are speed, minato ftg'd away from ay's top speed at point blank range, ay's only idea after that was to take a guess where he was gonna pop up.... seriously... and he still guessed wrong. How is that not any hope of punking him at all?

 

[shelke]

You don't think so? Both they're games are speed, minato ftg'd away from ay's top speed at point blank range, ay's only idea after that was to take a guess where he was gonna pop up.... seriously... and he still guessed wrong. How is that not any hope of punking him at all?

He has no hopes of harming Ae in any manner. Ae also had the tech figured out.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

He has no hopes of harming Ae in any manner. Ae also had the tech figured out.

Seriously? Had bee not interfered the first time ay would of been stabbed in the back. It's says even more that ay had it figured out and still wasn't able guess the right one.

 

[shelke]

Seriously? Had bee not interfered the first time ay would of been stabbed in the back. It's says even more that ay had it figured out and still wasn't able guess the right one.

You do realize that Sasuke full powered Chidori barely went through, right? What is his Kunai doing? Doesn't matter. He would have been prepared the third or fourth time.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Why bring up sasuke? That was a full decade and some change later. And for all we know chidori didn't go through cause it was chakra blocking chakra. That being said what if there was a 3rd or 4th time? Minato could of feinted ay by appearing, ay rushes, and ftg'ng to another kunai close enough to strike, with a kunai, rasengan, or whatever(and yes I know this is sloppy but I'm at work) ay's no sensor all he can do is guess. Dude I get that you hate the guy, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the fact remains, at that time, minato bested ay at his own game. Is raikage ay faster and stronger? Probably, id hope so at least. But within that lil clash? Minato did better

Edit: also if it wasn't gonna hurt him why did ay look back so worried? Why did bee bother to save him?

 

[shelke]

Why bring up sasuke? That was a full decade and some change later. And for all we know chidori didn't go through cause it was chakra blocking chakra. That being said what if there was a 3rd or 4th time? Minato could of feinted ay by appearing, ay rushes, and ftg'ng to another kunai close enough to strike, with a kunai, rasengan, or whatever(and yes I know this is sloppy but I'm at work) ay's no sensor all he can do is guess. Dude I get that you hate the guy, and there's nothing wrong with that, but the fact remains, at that time, minato bested ay at his own game. Is raikage ay faster and stronger? Probably, id hope so at least. But within that lil clash? Minato did better

Because it is a piercing attack. The one that is deadly and unblockable. If it couldn't do anything, then a Kunai is completely worthless. It doesn't matter what he could have done. Minato has nothing in his arsenal to defeat Ae, heck even put a dent in him, in any manner.

The battle didn't last long enough for us to know. Bee outwitted Minato both times as well. My point is basically the "final outcome." Minato cannot win against Ae. Also, I dislike both Ae and Minato. I am just giving you my opinion.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Because it is a piercing attack. The one that is deadly and unblockable. If it couldn't do anything, then a Kunai is completely worthless. It doesn't matter what he could have done. Minato has nothing in his arsenal to defeat Ae, heck even put a dent in him, in any manner.

The battle didn't last long enough for us to know. Bee outwitted Minato both times as well. My point is basically the "final outcome." Minato cannot win against Ae. Also, I dislike both Ae and Minato. I am just giving you my opinion.

He outwitted him once. Interfering in a fight while sitting there isn't exactly outwitting. Most of the strength of chidori is piercing lightning and speed, in my opinion the only reason it didn't was because it was a lightning attack against lightning armor. We don't really know if a kunai would of made it through let alone a rasengan. I know the 3rd raikage was known for being incredibly durable but ay was not, I see minato coming out on top had it continued(well, if it was just ay and minato anyhow) minato had kunai everywhere and forced ay to play a guessing game that he wasn't too good at. But we can agree to disagree, you have your opinion and I have no Ill intent in this discussion, I was just curious as to why thought so

 

[shelke]

He outwitted him once. Interfering in a fight while sitting there isn't exactly outwitting. Most of the strength of chidori is piercing lightning and speed, in my opinion the only reason it didn't was because it was a lightning attack against lightning armor. We don't really know if a kunai would of made it through let alone a rasengan. I know the 3rd raikage was known for being incredibly durable but ay was not, I see minato coming out on top had it continued(well, if it was just ay and minato anyhow) minato had kunai everywhere and forced ay to play a guessing game that he wasn't too good at. But we can agree to disagree, you have your opinion and I have no Ill intent in this discussion, I was just curious as to why thought so

No, he outwitted him twice; once to push Ae ahead and then to aim a Kunati to Minato's gut. Minato failed to outsmart Bee both times.

Yes, that is also one of the reasons. But, the manga made a huge deal out of it and Ae was surprised that it even "hurt him that much." He actually praised Sasuke for that. It wouldn't have made through. It's a thick armor. Ae didn't even use his Lightning armor to get teleported at the speed of light. His skin is thick enough. Add Raiton armor to it and it redoubles the effect. Rasangan wouldn't have done anything, as reflexes wise, Ae is on a completely different tier.

Ae can also outlast Minato with ease. Where chakra reserves are concerned, Ae is well above Minato here. It's not even a contest.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

No, he outwitted him twice; once to push Ae ahead and then to aim a Kunati to Minato's gut. Minato failed to outsmart Bee both times.

Yes, that is also one of the reasons. But, the manga made a huge deal out of it and Ae was surprised that it even "hurt him that much." He actually praised Sasuke for that. It wouldn't have made through. It's a thick armor. Ae didn't even use his Lightning armor to get teleported at the speed of light. His skin is thick enough. Add Raiton armor to it and it redoubles the effect. Rasangan wouldn't have done anything, as reflexes wise, Ae is on a completely different tier.

Ae can also outlast Minato with ease. Where chakra reserves are concerned, Ae is well above Minato here. It's not even a contest.

I'm fine with the sasuke assessment. But what has been shown to say that ay's reflexes are so much better than minatos?

 

[shelke]

I'm fine with the sasuke assessment. But what has been shown to say that ay's reflexes are so much better than minatos?

Chee's comments on his Raiton Cloak; the Viz translation. He states that his reflexes are on par with Minato without the cloak. But, once he uses it, they greatly surpass his that not even Sharingan would be able to keep up properly.

Furthermore, Ae was handling Bee and KCM Naruto at once. The same Bee whom Minato couldn't surprise even when he was a teenager.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Chee's comments on his Raiton Cloak; the Viz translation. He states that his reflexes are on par with Minato without the cloak. But, once he uses it, they greatly surpass his that not even Sharingan would be able to keep up properly.

Furthermore, Ae was handling Bee and KCM Naruto at once. The same Bee whom Minato couldn't surprise even when he was a teenager.

Cee saying that was at the very least 16 years after that encounter, and his reflexes without the cloak where on par, it's hard to assume that ay didn't get any better in at least 16 years. If his reflexes where so much better at the time he would of just dashed in another direction when minato appeared instead of bee having to save him. With ay's speed it would of been easy for him to react to it, but he couldn't

 

[shelke]

Cee saying that was at the very least 16 years after that encounter, and his reflexes without the cloak where on par, it's hard to assume that ay didn't get any better in at least 16 years. If his reflexes where so much better at the time he would of just dashed in another direction when minato appeared instead of bee having to save him. With ay's speed it would of been easy for him to react to it, but he couldn't

He was at his prime then and a middle-aged old man when he fought Sasuke. Chee is also taking Minato into consideration, which means years are irrelevant here. Minato appeared above Ae. The guy doesn't have eyes at the back of his head, mate. That was only the only time Minato did anything. As I said, the fight was over in seconds. I mean, look how fast Ae recovers. He immediately moves to the right of the image:

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