[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

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After thinking about it for a while I feel as though Cracker not liking pain may actually be very important. I feel as though if his weakness is very exploitable DD can win.

I think they may actually be equal in a very weird way, but I can't explain why I feel this way.
They're ups and downs. Cracker seems to have better attacking power, while Doffy might have better defense. Cracker vs Doffy might just be a question of can Doflamingo tank long enough to land a critical blow, or can Cracker overwhelm him enough to avoid getting hit.

I think the thing about pain is gonna come back too.
 

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It'd be funny as hell if Cracker dominated all the fight only to get knocked out by random lucky shot on Cracker's main body that even Luffy didn't expected :lmao:
That "I don't like pain" thing is fishy. I smell some comedic moment happening
 

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Cracker doesn't like feeling pain...just like everybody else in the world lol
Clearly cracker has no endurance in combat, that's why he hides behind his haki imbued biscuit armor. The way he talks about his sensitively to pain sounds like all Luffy needs to do to beat Cracker is to land a single punch on him. His sensitivity to pain is a weakness if anything.
 

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Clearly cracker has no endurance in combat, that's why he hides behind his haki imbued biscuit armor. The way he talks about his sensitively to pain sounds like all Luffy needs to do to beat Cracker is to land a single punch on him. His sensitivity to pain is a weakness if anything.
For someone who is Top 3 in a Yonko crew that is a stupid weakness, but I'm almost sure when we find out how bad it is peoples opinions on him are going to start changing dramatically.
 

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The scar Cracker possess implies he got a heavy injury in the past that emotionally affected him. Even his Crackers have the same scar. It's clear there is a link between that and his hate of pain. It may not necessarily be an endurance issue, but more likely in reminiscence of some kind of torture he received during a previous fight. He said to Luffy that "let me teach you something kid, no matter how hard you try, there will always be someone who you'd always fall short against", which implied to me that Cracker was saying things based on past experiences. Now who it might be, not sure
 

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Last week the white eyes were a sign of weakness and Luffy had to be far superior than this guy right ?

This week he just stood up and created a lot more soldiers, but one little sentence about pain has everybody getting their hopes up again because Luffy can't lose against this guy right ? RIGHT ?!!

It's just funny to see a large amount of the hopes and dreams of some members crumbling who were shitting on Jack, or saying how Zoro would be able to take Vista and how weak Jozu was and now Cracker.

Well here we go, finally into yonkou terrain, and everything got fucked instantly after entering big mom's territory.

Even if Luffy is able to beat Cracker with all the trouble in the world. There are at least 2 more commanders of that level, you have vinsmoke army walking around, couple of new world wedding guests and finally big mom herself.

Zoro and Law are nowhere close, the only ones who could offer some assistance here and Sanji surrendered himself.

So I think it is safe to say that there won't be a lot of fighting done after the cracker fight, because Luffy already pretty much blew his load.

But to get back on topic after 26 pages, I think that we can safely say by now that Cracker is stronger than Doffy.

Doflamingo was no pushover but he also had a lot of benefits. His status protected him from the navy. The world government helped him cover up crime and trap the Strawheart alliance on Dressrosa. Any opposition got turned into dolls, he was an underground broker with Kaidou protection.

If you would give Cracker all of that and make him king of Dressrosa, I don't think Law and Luffy would be able to take him down if he was end of the line of the arc if everything played out the same as it did with Doflamingo.

I think this panel explains the hierarchy pretty well and, Doflamingo even says that there are multiple ways to beat an enemy who is beyond your reach. The same thing Oda said in the interview about Luffy and Kaidou.

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Luffy is not ready
 

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Last week the white eyes were a sign of weakness and Luffy had to be far superior than this guy right ?

This week he just stood up and created a lot more soldiers, but one little sentence about pain has everybody getting their hopes up again because Luffy can't lose against this guy right ? RIGHT ?!!

It's just funny to see a large amount of the hopes and dreams of some members crumbling who were shitting on Jack, or saying how Zoro would be able to take Vista and how weak Jozu was and now Cracker.

Well here we go, finally into yonkou terrain, and everything got fucked instantly after entering big mom's territory.

Even if Luffy is able to beat Cracker with all the trouble in the world. There are at least 2 more commanders of that level, you have vinsmoke army walking around, couple of new world wedding guests and finally big mom herself.

Zoro and Law are nowhere close, the only ones who could offer some assistance here and Sanji surrendered himself.

So I think it is safe to say that there won't be a lot of fighting done after the cracker fight, because Luffy already pretty much blew his load.

But to get back on topic after 26 pages, I think that we can safely say by now that Cracker is stronger than Doffy.

Doflamingo was no pushover but he also had a lot of benefits. His status protected him from the navy. The world government helped him cover up crime and trap the Strawheart alliance on Dressrosa. Any opposition got turned into dolls, he was an underground broker with Kaidou protection.

If you would give Cracker all of that and make him king of Dressrosa, I don't think Law and Luffy would be able to take him down if he was end of the line of the arc if everything played out the same as it did with Doflamingo.

I think this panel explains the hierarchy pretty well and, Doflamingo even says that there are multiple ways to beat an enemy who is beyond your reach. The same thing Oda said in the interview about Luffy and Kaidou.

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Luffy is not ready
This is a lot of salt just because people say something MIGHT be a POTENTIAL weakness PROBABLY. This is what this thread is for. Discussing things about the chapter. "Hey, maybe this thing in this chapter means this" is perfectly okay. Chill out.
 

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Last week the white eyes were a sign of weakness and Luffy had to be far superior than this guy right ?

This week he just stood up and created a lot more soldiers, but one little sentence about pain has everybody getting their hopes up again because Luffy can't lose against this guy right ? RIGHT ?!!

It's just funny to see a large amount of the hopes and dreams of some members crumbling who were shitting on Jack, or saying how Zoro would be able to take Vista and how weak Jozu was and now Cracker.

Well here we go, finally into yonkou terrain, and everything got fucked instantly after entering big mom's territory.

Even if Luffy is able to beat Cracker with all the trouble in the world. There are at least 2 more commanders of that level, you have vinsmoke army walking around, couple of new world wedding guests and finally big mom herself.

Zoro and Law are nowhere close, the only ones who could offer some assistance here and Sanji surrendered himself.

So I think it is safe to say that there won't be a lot of fighting done after the cracker fight, because Luffy already pretty much blew his load.

But to get back on topic after 26 pages, I think that we can safely say by now that Cracker is stronger than Doffy.

Doflamingo was no pushover but he also had a lot of benefits. His status protected him from the navy. The world government helped him cover up crime and trap the Strawheart alliance on Dressrosa. Any opposition got turned into dolls, he was an underground broker with Kaidou protection.

If you would give Cracker all of that and make him king of Dressrosa, I don't think Law and Luffy would be able to take him down if he was end of the line of the arc if everything played out the same as it did with Doflamingo.

I think this panel explains the hierarchy pretty well and, Doflamingo even says that there are multiple ways to beat an enemy who is beyond your reach. The same thing Oda said in the interview about Luffy and Kaidou.

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Luffy is not ready
I honestly believe he will beat cracker with high diff (not extreme diff like doffy again because there is no law damage componet as well as there is no option for luffy to use 2 gear 4ths because he doesn't have an entire town to defend him for ten minutes etc...)

But for the wedding etc u brought up a very big point the guests... We do not know who will be in attendance and I will say a lot of ppl r dazzled by luffys actions of being a true pirate not harming ppl but just being free who knows who will defend him at this dinner thing I just hope Sanji gets some light and kicks ass :)
 

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Cracker is most probably stronger than Doflamingo, enemies are just going to get stronger from this point on, not weaker and Cracker is the first step towards the big Yonko clash.
 

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I don't see why Doflamingo even would need to be stronger anyway honestly.

But Crackers weakness MIGHT be enough to put them on the same level, to me this fight should really be happening to show us that Luffy can beat Doflamingo on his own finally.

Why else would he go all out like this this early and even show us a new G4 technique if his mastery of G4 isn't getting better? I would like to think the time limit has gotten better, why should it stay the same anyway?

This is why I hope Cracker ends up being stronger than Doflamingo.
 

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I don't see why Doflamingo even would need to be stronger anyway honestly.

But Crackers weakness MIGHT be enough to put them on the same level, to me this fight should really be happening to show us that Luffy can beat Doflamingo on his own finally.

Why else would he go all out like this this early and even show us a new G4 technique if his mastery of G4 isn't getting better? I would like to think the time limit has gotten better, why should it stay the same anyway?

This is why I hope Cracker ends up being stronger than Doflamingo.
They are of a similar level due to the endurance of Doffy but on an offensive or just plain strength cracker beats Doffy. I think cracker would likely win in a duel between him and Doffy. But if luffy takes him out you better be ready hear ppl saying that cracker is the vista of the big mom crew etc. luffy seems to get better with every fight and we are likely going to see that right now
 

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The scar Cracker possess implies he got a heavy injury in the past that emotionally affected him. Even his Crackers have the same scar. It's clear there is a link between that and his hate of pain. It may not necessarily be an endurance issue, but more likely in reminiscence of some kind of torture he received during a previous fight. He said to Luffy that "let me teach you something kid, no matter how hard you try, there will always be someone who you'd always fall short against", which implied to me that Cracker was saying things based on past experiences. Now who it might be, not sure
Sabo got the same scar when he was 7 and got over that shit. Next.
 

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Sabo got the same scar when he was 7 and got over that shit. Next.
Lmao replying like a real fanboy. Did Cracker hurt your feelings or something? I only mentioned a possibility. We know the background behind Sabo scar. We dontl't know the background behind Crackers but i noticed its important enough for him that he replicated the same even on his cookie soldiers. That implies a clear connection
 
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He cut Luffy here.

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This is Luffy getting cut.
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The sword is clearly half way through luffy's hand. That stupid scan is luffy getting hit by Doffy's devil fruit, he didn't get cut from anywhere from those strings and he's still bouncing after getting hit on the torso. If he ever got cut from that attack, he would be deflated by now.
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So that page fails here.

Literally says here that his Haki isn't good enough to withstand sharp attacks yet.

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No fanfiction, just words from Luffy's mouth about his own Haki with on-panel evidence of his words being true.
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You and the manga are saying two different things. And again Doflamingo was and is incapable of piercing G4 luffy's haki.
blunt
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adjective
1.
(of a knife, pencil, etc.) having a worn-down edge or point; not sharp.

Rebecca's sword doesn't have a sharp edge, so it can't cut anything. This was stated during the Colosseum.
Blunt strike stupid, did that not get across your head by now? Blunt and blunt strikes are two different meanings. Again, read the fucking post.

Manga scan above says otherwise.
Says where?
The fight against Doflamingo was almost an hour long. Luffy and Doflamingo's 1 vs 1 lasted for at least 20 minutes.

Doflaming brought out Awakening here

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The very next page says 20 minutes later

And we see Luffy still just dodging the Awakened strings and no further signs of harm on Doflamingo.

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The manga facts are all there. Luffy spent 20 minutes avoiding the Awakened strings. Given the fact that Luffy says he has to hurry up in this panel, which is before the Awakened strings come out, we know for a fact that if Luffy could have tanked the strings and wouldn't have been hurt by them, he would have just charged through and tanked them to finish off Doflamingo ASAP.

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Oh god shut up. The birdcage would've killed everbody in an hour and even then the birdcage didn't get to close when Luffy defeated Doflaimgo. 4 hits doesn't take an hour to do and luffy can't stay in gear 4 for that long. Keep that baseless time period to the dunces who believe that because nobody said that the fight lasted an hour. It was 15 minutes tops, get over yourself.

Tfw Luffy is tied with Law for my favorite character.
Tfw you have provided exactly zero panels showing Luffy's Hak is harder.
You keep telling yourself that because no fan of luffy would say doffy actually cut through luffy's haki and law being superior than luffy overall.
And tf you mean I showed zero panels of luffy's haki being stronger in G4? How about the whole fight with doflamingo huh? Or Law saying that he was using much more haki in G4 than he did with G2, G3, and base form.
I never said Hody would be able to pierce Luffy's Gear 4th Haki. I said that Luffy's Haki on its own is susceptible to being sliced and pierced, as Luffy himself stated. The reason he was able to withstand Doflamingo's Athlete was because his G4 body has exceptionally higher elasticity, allowing to push Doflamingo's kick back. Nothing but facts from the mang.
Luffy in base was able to take Doflamingo's athlete foot.
Luffy is elastic against Cracker too and he still got cut from Cracker where as doflamingo couldn't even pierce luffy's skin in G4.
You had no manga facts stfu, you got nothing. You post luffy getting bounced off by an attack and called that getting cut by doffy.
You posted that luffy is susceptible to cuts when luffy actually said his haki form in base isn't strong enough to handle blows like that. Read you're own post next time.
 
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This is Luffy getting cut.
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The sword is clearly half way through luffy's hand. That stupid scan is luffy getting hit by Doffy's devil fruit, he didn't get cut from anywhere from those strings and he's still bouncing after getting hit on the torso. If he ever got cut from that attack, he would be deflated by now.
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So that page fails here.
Look at the wave of string, you can see the blood blotched onto it, indicating it cut Luffy.

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You and the manga are saying two different things. And again Doflamingo was and is incapable of piercing G4 luffy's haki.
The manga and I are saying the exact same thing: Luffy's Haki was susceptible to sharp-type attacks because it wasn't good enough yet.

Blunt strike stupid, did that not get across your head by now? Blunt and blunt strikes are two different meanings. Again, read the fucking post.
What are you trying to prove here? Rebecca's sword couldn't cut Luffy's Haki because it's blunt. It produces a blunt strike, which Luffy's Haki can stand up against, not a sharp one. Rebecca's sword breaking against Luffy's head does NOT prove that his Haki is not vulnerable to sharp attacks because the sword isn't sharp.


Says where?
Blood on the string.



Oh god shut up. The birdcage would've killed everbody in an hour and even then the birdcage didn't get to close when Luffy defeated Doflaimgo. 4 hits doesn't take an hour to do and luffy can't stay in gear 4 for that long. Keep that baseless time period to the dunces who believe that because nobody said that the fight lasted an hour. It was 15 minutes tops, get over yourself.
Manga literally says "20 minutes later" on the very next page

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Then Luffy had his 10 minute break, making the fight at least 30 minutes long.

You keep telling yourself that because no fan of luffy would say doffy actually cut through luffy's haki and law being superior than luffy overall.
Lol what? Because someone likes Luffy, they wouldn't say Doflamingo cut him even though the manga shows Doflamingo's strings having blood on them after hitting Luffy? That's called fanboyism. And when have I ever said Law was stronger than Luffy?

And tf you mean I showed zero panels of luffy's haki being stronger in G4? How about the whole fight with doflamingo huh? Or Law saying that he was using much more haki in G4 than he did with G2, G3, and base form.
Increasing the quantity of Haki is not the same as increasing the quality of Haki.

Luffy in base was able to take Doflamingo's athlete foot.
Athlete actually cut Luffy

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Luffy is elastic against Cracker too and he still got cut from Cracker where as doflamingo couldn't even pierce luffy's skin in G4.
This just means that Cracker's sword strikes are stronger than Doflamingo's basic String attacks. However, Doflamingo's Awakened attacks are what were able to cut Luffy's Gear 4 body.

You had no manga facts stfu, you got nothing. You post luffy getting bounced off by an attack and called that getting cut by doffy.
You posted that luffy is susceptible to cuts when luffy actually said his haki form in base isn't strong enough to handle blows like that. Read you're own post next time.
It's a post of Luffy saying, outright, "My Haki isn't good enough to stop sharp attacks." That means his Haki is susceptible to counts, period.

I've posted nothing but facts straight from the manga.
 
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