[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[ToshiZO]

I said Durability/Endurance. Why would it matter in a fight how many clean blows he can take, when he can minimize the damage with his CoA?

He's not going to just allow Luffy to hit him while not even trying to defend so who cares?

So many people keep replying to me I can't properly think so maybe I missed the whole point.

If you will, please run back what everyone is saying regarding his endurance.

Dude blocking with CoA is different from actually blocking, huge difference. You only talked about his CoA defense in regards to endurance/durability.

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, but he didn't actually manage to block the attack, hence it was a clean blow. Your statement is not relevant if you are talking about Cracker blocking with his sword + CoA for instance, or even his arms for that matter, none of those actually truly test his endurance, because he simply blocked the attack.

Just like Doflamingo blocking Kong Gun does not test his endurance properly, because it was not a clean blow.

 

[OG sama]

Dude blocking with CoA is different from actually blocking, huge difference. You only talked about his CoA defense in regards to endurance/durability.

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, but he didn't actually manage to block the attack, hence it was a clean blow. Your statement is not relevant if you are talking about Cracker blocking with his sword + CoA for instance, or even his arms for that matter, none of those actually truly test his endurance, because he simply blocked the attack.

Just like Doflamingo blocking Kong Gun does not test his endurance properly, because it was not a clean blow.

But lets say Cracker blocks in the same way you showed DD blocking, without an arm, without a sword, without his clones. I'm saying the damage would be minimized more because he has better CoA then Duffy.

 

[ToshiZO]

But lets say Cracker blocks in the same way you showed DD blocking, without an arm, without a sword, without his clones. I'm saying the damage would be minimized more because he has better CoA then Duffy.

Oh the damage would definitely be minimized more than Doflamingo because he has better haki. That much should be a fact.

The issue is the damage being minimized more doesn't mean he handles the attack better than Doflamingo because Doflamingo can have much better endurance than Cracker.

Just as an example.

Imagine a character is an absolute haki beast but has extremely weak endurance, like endurance on the level of nami. If Luffy lands a blow on that character despite that characters haki being > Doflamingo's, that character could get put to bed, because at the end of the day, if a blow on the level of G4 gets to you, your haki is only going to be softening that blow but your endurance stat will be relied upon to get back up.

By this logic depending on Crackers endurance, it can take one clean blow even despite Haki to put Cracker to sleep. (Not saying that's how many blows it will take).

Crackers haki will be blasted right through, and Crackers endurance will be tested. His haki will make the blow hurt him less only if his endurance is equalized with Doflamingo or if his haki is like a thousand times stronger than Doflamingo to the point where G4 can't even break through.

 

[OG sama]

Oh the damage would definitely be minimized more than Doflamingo because he has better haki. That much should be a fact.

The issue is the damage being minimized more doesn't mean he handles the attack better than Doflamingo because Doflamingo can have much better endurance than Cracker.

Just as an example.

Imagine a character is an absolute haki beast but has extremely weak endurance, like endurance on the level of nami. If Luffy lands a blow on that character despite that characters haki being > Doflamingo's, that character could get put to bed, because at the end of the day, if a blow on the level of G4 gets to you, your haki is only going to be softening that blow but your endurance stat will be relied upon to get back up.

By this logic depending on Crackers endurance, it can take one clean blow even despite Haki to put Cracker to sleep. (Not saying that's how many blows it will take).

Crackers haki will be blasted right through, and Crackers endurance will be tested. His haki will make the blow hurt him less only if his endurance is equalized with Doflamingo or if his haki is like a thousand times stronger than Doflamingo to the point where G4 can't even break through.

Ok I get it now. Not sure how good his endurance is then, he doesn't like pain, hmmm that could be a hint his endurance isnt great but he has his infinite biscuit clones, just like DD had his awakening to stall and fall back on.

If Doffy does have more endurance, that alone won't make him better overall. I'm not going to put him on a lower level just because his endurance isn't great.

For all we know, the fight could be continuing the next morning and that could mean G4s time limit got much better because he was only able to use it for 20-50 mins at best on DR.

Which would mean it took him a whole day to beat Cracker which would definitely put him above DD, being able to survive its onslaught for a whole day.

That would be enough to put WCI G4 Luffy above Doflamingo, and It would imply if DR Luffy fought Cracker he would have died.

These are just some possibilities I'm bringing up.

 

[ToshiZO]

Ok I get it now. Not sure how good his endurance is then, he doesn't like pain, hmmm that could be a hint his endurance isnt great but he has his infinite biscuit clones, just like DD had his awakening to stall and fall back on.

If Doffy does have more endurance, that alone won't make him better overall. I'm not going to put him on a lower level just because his endurance isn't great.

For all we know, the fight could be continuing the next morning and that could mean G4s time limit got much better because he was only able to use it for 20-50 mins at best on DR.

Which would mean it took him a whole day to beat Cracker which would definitely put him above DD, being able to survive its onslaught for a whole day.

That would be enough to put WCI G4 Luffy above Doflamingo, and It would imply if DR Luffy fought Cracker he would have died.

These are just some possibilities I'm bringing up.

Well that assuming the fight lasted that long. Luffy could have finished him off in 30 mins or so. It's not like Big Mom knows even right now what the outcome of the fight is.

If Luffy beat him 1v1, I would have no reason to place Cracker > Doflamingo.

 

[OG sama]

Well that assuming the fight lasted that long. Luffy could have finished him off in 30 mins or so. It's not like Big Mom knows even right now what the outcome of the fight is.

If Luffy beat him 1v1, I would have no reason to place Cracker > Doflamingo.

Regarding your second sentence:

Not even if G4 lasted for a whole day? That makes no sense, Luffy even showed a new attack this chapter, his mastery and techniques are getting better.

What is it going to take for you down players to admit it? Let me guess your one of the people that think DD was literally half dead?

If that's the case why are you here arguing anything? We all know Luffy is going to beat Cracker eventually either now or in a rematch 1v1.

 

[ToshiZO]

Regarding your second sentence:

Not even if G4 lasted for a whole day? That makes no sense, Luffy even showed a new attack this chapter, his mastery and techniques are getting better.

What is it going to take for you down players to admit it? Let me guess your one of the people that think DD was literally half dead?

No a whole day obviously means its on another level, but that sounds ridiculous.

I'm saying Luffy could have defeated Cracker a while ago, the timeskip doesn't mean the fight just ended or is still going on, it says nothing about the fight.

 

[OG sama]

No a whole day obviously means its on another level, but that sounds ridiculous.

I'm saying Luffy could have defeated Cracker a while ago, the timeskip doesn't mean the fight just ended or is still going on, it says nothing about the fight.

No I'm saying if the fight continued in the next morning and in the next chapter we see how it ends.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Sounds like your just trying to downplay the feat the best way you can. Anyone with eyes can see that Cracker did in fact nearly cut halfway through his arm, the sword was clearly cutting deep into his arm.

Either you need ****ing glasses or you have your Doflamingo fan boy goggles on.

How am I downplaying it? By not over exaggerating it? If he cut halfway through Luffy's Kong arm(which is pretty big) less of his sword should be visible, he'd have cut to Luffy's bone and there should be a noticeable gash on Luffy's arm because you know having your arm cut in half is a pretty serious wound. But we don't see any of that, the sword goes in a little less than half way since we can see the center line and Luffy has no problem throwing a Kong Gatling afterwards, how easy do you think that would be with an arm cut in half right above your elbow?

 

[Punk Hazard]

How am I downplaying it? By not over exaggerating it? If he cut halfway through Luffy's Kong arm(which is pretty big) less of his sword should be visible, he'd have cut to Luffy's bone and there should be a noticeable gash on Luffy's arm because you know having your arm cut in half is a pretty serious wound. But we don't see any of that, the sword goes in a little less than half way since we can see the center line and Luffy has no problem throwing a Kong Gatling afterwards, how easy do you think that would be with an arm cut in half right above your elbow?

Nah, that cut was gnarly and really ****ing deep man.

 

[OG sama]

How am I downplaying it? By not over exaggerating it? If he cut halfway through Luffy's Kong arm(which is pretty big) less of his sword should be visible, he'd have cut to Luffy's bone and there should be a noticeable gash on Luffy's arm because you know having your arm cut in half is a pretty serious wound. But we don't see any of that, the sword goes in a little less than half way since we can see the center line and Luffy has no problem throwing a Kong Gatling afterwards, how easy do you think that would be with an arm cut in half right above your elbow?

The fact that you are taking what everyone is saying about the attack so seriously leads me to believe you have some kind of hatred for Cracker. And Cracker cutting into less than half of his arm is kind of what I said in the post you replied to.

Ever heard of a metaphor before?

The fact of the matter is Cracker managed to cut deeply into G4s arm and it caused Luffy pain, unlike when DD grazed G4s skin with awakening and it did nothing significant, he wasn't in any pain when that happened ergo why its so impressive.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Oh wait, no, Chopstick was right. Idk why I visualized the cut going into the side of his arm, but from the looks of it, it didn't get too deep in now that I look at it again.

 

[OG sama]

Nah, that cut was gnarly and really ****ing deep man.

But yet you thought DDs awakening grazing G4s skin was suppose to be so impressive.

Take those Doflamingo fanboy shades off its time to let go.

 

[Punk Hazard]

But yet you thought DDs awakening grazing G4s skin was suppose to be so impressive.

Take those Doflamingo fanboy shades off its time to let go.

****** what? I never said the grazing was impressive.

 

[OG sama]

****** what? I never said the grazing was impressive.

Then why do you find it necessary to bring it up? I recall arguing with you multiple times about how DD didn't do shit to G4 but you brought that shit up.

Now you trying to act brand new?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then why do you find it necessary to bring it up? I recall arguing with you multiple times about how DD didn't do shit to G4 but you brought that shit up.

Now you trying to act brand new?

You said Doflamingo doesn't have the firepower to critically injure Luffy a page or two back. This situation indicates the opposite of this post

Doflamingo couldn't even hurt G4.

If Doffy couldn't hurt Luffy, the fight would have ended 20 minutes early.

 

[OG sama]

You said Doflamingo doesn't have the firepower to critically injure Luffy a page or two back. This situation indicates the opposite of this post



If Doffy couldn't hurt Luffy, the fight would have ended 20 minutes early.

You must lack common sense or something, I never said he couldn't hurt G4 with awakening I said, even if not directly, I said a single awakened string didn't do anything of significance to G4. But a collection of them could hurt if hit, I even said I agreed with you.

I even have already repeated this shit to you on the very exact thread, this is like my third damn time.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You must lack common sense or something, I never said he couldn't hurt G4 with awakening I said, even if not directly, I said a single awakened string didn't do anything of significance to G4. But a collection of them could hurt if hit, I even said I agreed with you.

I even have already repeated this shit to you on the very exact thread, this is like my third damn time.

In one post you say Cracker is better than Doffy because he can injure him and Doffy can't, and then you say "Nah, Doffy can injure Luffy after all."

Okay, pancake.

 

[OG sama]

In one post you say Cracker is better than Doffy because he can injure him and Doffy can't, and then you say "Nah, Doffy can injure Luffy after all."

Okay, pancake.

How are you going to quote that sentence and then ignore the other post in which I said I agreed? I should have just been more clear I understand that now, but your arguing over nothing at this point.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How are you going to quote that sentence and then ignore the other post in which I said I agreed? I should have just been more clear I understand that now, but your arguing over nothing at this point.

I'm not ignoring the post that you agreed in. In fact, that post is why I called you a pancake. Sorry if that wasn't close enough to your head for you.