[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[Punk Hazard]

Can you prove it was a mistranslation? Do you have the official translation somewhere? I've yet to see any other translation, that's why I ask.



I don't people understand what versatility means. Cracker's shown one way he uses his fruit "OMG he's so versatile" meanwhile Doffy had almost as many named attacks as Luffy. Idk if there's another character, protagonist or antagonist with more moves in their bat belt than Doffy.

I know right? I was legitimately surprised people were saying a DF that has been shown to have two usages is more versatile than one with like seven.

I'd say in terms of versatility, the only fruits so far that compare to the Ito are Law's and Ivankov's.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

There is zero proof of this.

Why do you think the Parasite string is always attached to the back of the neck?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why do you think the Parasite string is always attached to the back of the neck?

They don't, considering that strings were snapping along Luffy's arms and legs when he broke free.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Let me explain to you how he is outperforming Doflamingo.

1. His puppets forced Luffy to use G4. Doflamingo's puppets were fodder to G2.

2.In a casual no named attack he almost cut halfway through Luffy's arm, where Doflamingo even with awakening could only put minor cuts on Luffy.

3.His haki is greater than Doflamingo's.

So as of right now he is looking more impressive than Doflamingo as an overall fighter, Luffy has to use kong gun gatling just to dispose of his fodder soldiers.

So physically we all thought Cracker was stronger than Doffy, but then we gave Doflamingo the edge in tricks and versatility but it looks like Cracker isn't even the most physical fighter, he seems more like a puppeteer and yet his offense is so strong to the point he can severely damage G4 Luffy. There is no way I can give Doflamingo the edge when Cracker beats him in physical strength, and he is matching him in a way in versatility. The one thing Doflamingo had, turns out he didn't even really have an overwhelming edge > Cracker.

Only holding off final judgement because there is a possibility with fighting styles like this, its possible a couple hits on Crackers main body means lights out for Cracker.

I get u and agree for most part but what about other categories because ppl r saying cracker outclasses doffy in every category


He hasn't made any significant speed feats

Durability fine his crackers clones r tankier then doffy body when applied to haki but doffy body is still intact after kkg (and other things) crackers shells r being destoryed by kg

Cracker > doffy in haki
And cracker > doffy in terms of physical damage output

Versatility doffy > cracker

Endurance is yet to be seen

Not to mention has anyone not noticed that luffy is not moving the same way he was moving when fighting doffy a lot of force (that was knocking doffy around) came from the bouncing etc that added extra pack to his punches etc
Luffy is literally fighting like he's in gear 2nd or gear 3rd etc....

There's also the fact that doffy has Kings haki which we seen can be mixed with bushido haki...

I mean idk again I'm not saying cracker is weaker by any means but ppl r acting as if cracker would low diff doffy ... When that in itself is just plain stupid ....
But yes I did read what u said and I get it now in terms of damage he is def outperforming doffy against luffy in gear 4th but I would counter argue that luffy is moving no where as fast as he was moving against doffy

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I know right? I was legitimately surprised people were saying a DF that has been shown to have two usages is more versatile than one with like seven.

I'd say in terms of versatility, the only fruits so far that compare to the Ito are Law's and Ivankov's.

And kuma's

 

[OG sama]

You guys do realize that "no-name attacks" is a fallacy, right? Whitebeard and Mihawk didn't name a single one of their attacks, does that mean they were using "basic weak" attacks? A sword swing is just as strong as whatever energy Cracker puts into it. If Cracker puts all his strength into a swing and says nothing, it's gonna be weaker than a swing with a name that he puts half of his strength into? Let's be serious here.



This isn't necessarily true. The fact that Luffy purposefully avoided the Awakened Strings instead of just tanking through them implies the direct opposite: If they hit him, they'd damage him. Just grazing his body caused a lot of blood to pour out, implying just that graze got in deep. Cracker has definitely shown greater physical strength, but it's not absolute that his offensive power was greater.

Of course if they hit they would hurt, but one did and it did no noticeable damage, same awakened string that couldn't even kill a weakened Luffy. The string even went right through Luffy but was only strong enough to torture him as Doflamingo put it. You can say because he wasn't trying to kill him but if the string can go right through Luffys body and only torture him, then what is a graze going to do to G4? The answer is g painful as we have already seen.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Of course if they hit they would hurt, but one did and it did no noticeable damage, same awakened string that couldn't even kill a weakened Luffy. The string even went right through Luffy but was only strong enough to torture him as Doflamingo put it. You can say because he wasn't trying to kill him but if the string can go right through Luffys body and only torture him, then what is a graze going to do to G4? The answer is g painful as we have already seen.

Oh please. Luffy was running against the clock, but you're telling me he chose to spend 30 mins doing nothing but dodging strings that couldn't seriously harm him? What a load of shit.

And kuma's

I'm not sure if I'd consider Kuma's. He really just pushes things. The effects of his fruit aren't diverse exactly, but what those effects can affect is diverse. Idk, I guess it's how you defend versatile, so it's probably definitely a contender.

 

[OG sama]

What? The hell you talking about? Doflamingo can put any haki on him he wants, if Luffy lands a clean blow (I hope you know what a clean blow is, no blocking with arms and legs etc.) Doflamingo gets (and was getting) pummeled. Haki is only lessening the blow, it's not doing shit in terms of completely stopping the blow. Cracker is going to be ragdolled if he is hit with a G4 attack directly you best believe that, not even Gol D Roger level Haki is gonna save him, you people seriously need to stop giving all the credit to haki, haki is still secondary to attack power. And it always will be.

Sounds like you didn't read a single damn thing I posted. Wtf are you even bringing up clean blows from when I said "block" for?

I never said Cracker was tanking shit but you literally said in your last post that Doflamingo was tanking G4 attacks when he didn't. And then you say even Gol D Roger cant, sounds like you need to reread my and your own post.

All I'm saying is that if Cracker puts up a CoA defense on himself then the % of the blows will be reduced more than DDs because his CoA is better.

 

[OG sama]

Oh please. Luffy was running against the clock, but you're telling me he chose to spend 30 mins doing nothing but dodging strings that couldn't seriously harm him? What a load of shit.

Wtf does any of this have to do with what I said? Im comparing the only string that Mingo landed to Crackers very basic sword slash, the former did no damage while the latter had G4 In pain.

That was the argument that I made, but you twisted it into something it wasn't.

 

[ToshiZO]

Sounds like you didn't read a single damn thing I posted. Wtf are you even bringing up clean blows from when I said "block" for?

I never said Cracker was tanking shit but you literally said in your last post that Doflamingo was tanking G4 attacks when he didn't. And then you say even Gol D Roger cant, sounds like you need to reread my and your own post.

All I'm saying is that if Cracker puts up a CoA defense on himself then the % of the blows will be reduced more than DDs because his CoA is better.

Lmao you are seriously lost. Who gives a rats ass about blocking. We are talking about his ability to endure a clean blow without his armour.

People are talking about his endurance.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

They don't, considering that strings were snapping along Luffy's arms and legs when he broke free.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[OG sama]

Lmao you are seriously lost. Who gives a rats ass about blocking. We are talking about his ability to endure a clean blow without his armour.

People are talking about his endurance.

I'm lost? You commented on my first post buddy, when I was explicitly talking about Crackers defense with his CoA, I never brought up anything about clean blows. You did, and I have no idea why because I wasn't talking about how much he can tank without guarding.

 

[ToshiZO]

I'm lost? You commented on my first post buddy, when I was explicitly talking about Crackers defense with his CoA, I never brought up anything about clean blows. You did, and I have no idea why because I wasn't talking about how much he can tank without guarding.

Lmfao you said his defense with CoA, you didn't say anything about him blocking his attack with his sword/ arms or some shit, get a grip we are talking about endurance and you made that statement in reply to that. Don't act like you just randomly made that statement.

It's not that hard to understand.

 

[OG sama]

Sabo also has a giant burn mark and his eye sight and he got his scar when he was a pre-teen. Cracker said he hates pain and based on his armor and his haki I'd say it's less likely he goes into a rampage when hurt and more likely he has low tolerance for pain.

We still don't really know how breaking out of Parasite works. It could be physical strength, it could have been because of the rapid change in size for Luffy, it could be(the one I think) connected to will power. Why I doubt it's physical strength based, if it is then that means DR Luffy>MF Jozu.

I have no problem with that being the case if it is, I just am not convinced 100% that's the case since Jozu still fared ok against an Admiral at MF. Why I think it's will power based is 2 things, the person we saw break out has king's haki and the strongest will in the manga; secondly Parasite seemingly infiltrates the body and let's Doffy control their actions to do whatever his will desires. It seems Parasite makes the affected disregard their will in favor of Doffy's and the only way out is to have a higher willpower than the caster(Doffy). Just my opinion on how Parasite works, if it's shown that's absolutely not possibly the case please let me know.

Also wasn't Doffy able to parasite through Jozu's diamond? Chances are as impressive as Cracker is, diamond is still stronger than his haki biscuits. Anyway what I do know is this "new" attack would have ended Doffy no problem and Cracker too if it hit, Kong Organ(Kong Gatling) is monstrous.



Cracker's clones are definitely stronger than Doffy's clones.



He didn't nearly cut his arm off, and you guys talk about over hyping. He cut his arm, yes it's an impressive feat but he didn't "nearly cut his arm off" or cut "halfway through his arm" He gave him a decent cut that's it, stop trying to gas it up more than it was.

Sounds like your just trying to downplay the feat the best way you can. Anyone with eyes can see that Cracker did in fact nearly cut halfway through his arm, the sword was clearly cutting deep into his arm.

Either you need ****ing glasses or you have your Doflamingo fan boy goggles on.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Wtf does any of this have to do with what I said? Im comparing the only string that Mingo landed to Crackers very basic sword slash, the former did no damage while the latter had G4 In pain.

That was the argument that I made, but you twisted it into something it wasn't.

Use your brain.

Luffy was running against the clock.
Luffy chose to spend 20 minutes dodging the strings rather than tanking them.

Therefore, Luffy had no other option but to dodge rather than take them head-on. We know this because NOT spending 20 minutes running around was better for Luffy, so unless he had no other choice, that's the route he would have taken.

That indicates Doflamingo's Awakened strings are capable of dealing substantial damage to Luffy, which is opposite of what you're saying.

 

[OG sama]

Lmfao you said his defense with CoA, you didn't say anything about him blocking his attack with his sword/ arms or some shit, get a grip we are talking about endurance and you made that statement in reply to that. Don't act like you just randomly made that statement.

It's not that hard to understand.

This sounds like some desperate ass attempt at being a smart ass. I said in my first post "while defending with his CoA" for a reason, why in the hell would I be talking about clean blows?

You just misinterpreted what I really meant, nice try pal.

 

[OG sama]

Use your brain.

Luffy was running against the clock.
Luffy chose to spend 20 minutes dodging the strings rather than tanking them.

Therefore, Luffy had no other option but to dodge rather than take them head-on. We know this because NOT spending 20 minutes running around was better for Luffy, so unless he had no other choice, that's the route he would have taken.

That indicates Doflamingo's Awakened strings are capable of dealing substantial damage to Luffy, which is opposite of what you're saying.

We already agreed to this a couple of days ago so what are you complaining for?

Didn't I just bring up a single awakened string? Obviously I know a collection of them are going to hurt, but I was going off what landed, which was just one and I compared it to the sword slash.

 

[ToshiZO]

This sounds like some desperate ass attempt at being a smart ass. I said in my first post "while defending with his CoA" for a reason, why in the hell would I be talking about clean blows?

You just misinterpreted what I really meant, nice try pal.

Lmao you were addressing people talking about his endurance. Your statement was in direct reply to those people, it wasn't a blanket statement.

Therefore by bringing up blocking in reply to those people, your point becomes useless, because you aren't even addressing the same point.

So I guess I'll just leave it at, "you had a useless point".

 

[OG sama]

Lmao you were addressing people talking about his endurance. Your statement was in direct reply to those people, it wasn't a blanket statement.

Therefore by bringing up blocking in reply to those people, your point becomes useless, because you aren't even addressing the same point.

So I guess I'll just leave it at, "you had a useless point".

I said Durability/Endurance. Why would it matter in a fight how many clean blows he can take, when he can minimize the damage with his CoA?

He's not going to just allow Luffy to hit him while not even trying to defend so who cares?

So many people keep replying to me I can't properly think so maybe I missed the whole point.

If you will, please run back what everyone is saying regarding his endurance.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Wtf are you talking about?

Pay close attention. You can tell by his posture that there are strings around his arms.

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Then when he breaks the strings, you see the flash captions all along his body, indicating the places where the strings get broken.

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This is further indicates by the multiple "snap" caption bubbles along his body, not just at his neck.