[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[Punk Hazard]

That's irrelevant seeing how Jozu most likely wouldn't get caught in the first place. Luffy got out of parisite due to the expansion of his body, not raw physical strength.

The move Kuzan used on DD wasn't stronger than the one use on Jozu

Why wouldn't he? He was caught by charging towards Crocodile. If he was charging towards Doflamingo instead, it'd be the same speed. Parasite would be coming from the same direction. He would be charging in the same direction in the same manner. Nothing would actually change. The fact that Doflamingo caught him while he was charging towards Crocodile means Doflamingo is fast enough to catch Jozu while Jozu is charging, and Jozu is unable to detect the strings before they snag him.

If Jozu was charging at Dofy instead, he'd still be caught.

Yes it was. The higher volume of ice indicates it. And even if it wasn't, then that just makes the ice the same power in both situations. That still gives Dofy better portrayal since he broke out and Jozu didn't.

Won't you ever stop over-exaggerating this shit?

Won't you ever stop treating almost dying like a paper cut?

 

[Lawlermelon]

The assumption is what's most likely with the info given.

Try using an excuse like that when you're trying to prosecute someone in court. Again, you're assumption holds no water.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Try using an excuse like that when you're trying to prosecute someone in court. Again, you're assumption holds no water.

What other indications of power exists for Kuzan's ice?

 

[A v i]

Won't you ever stop treating almost dying like a paper cut?

I've never treated it like an insignificant damage. He was damaged, definitely way more than Luffy. But nowhere near as much as you're making it out to be. The manga, in fact, never highlighted the damage to be that great. If anything, Doflamingo acted as if he was in better condition(Although he wasn't) than Luffy throughout the entire fight. He actually never displayed any sings of being effected by GN in the fight until when he was hit by Leo Bazooka.That's not the same as almost dying in slightest. You're just exaggerating it way too much.

 

[Passerby]

Cracker>Doflamingo confirmed.
Luffy confirms that Crackers Busoshoku is the "hardest" he has encounterd so far so that means Crackers Haki>Doflamingos Haki and Cracker seems to have some energy left wherelse Doflamingo was KOd by King Kong Gun.

 

[WhistleBlower]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, arial, sans-serif]It seems that cracker has been taken down only by kong gun whereas doflamingo was taken down by king kong gun. It shows us that the executive of big mom is not so strong. Although highly commendable that he took out urouge, bege , kid and apoo .[/FONT]

 

[Bogard]

Sent flying by a hawk bazooka(and even running away from a hawk gatling) when Cracker perfectly blocks a hawk gatling and elephant gun, even redirecting the force back at Luffy and casually proceding to dominate him with a manga confirmation of having a superior armament to Doffy by Luffy himself

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Base Luffy easily dodges Doflamingo's attacks double sneak attacks while carrying Kyros

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Dominates him in close combat

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Statut-quo with awakening Doflamingo

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With Doflamingo never placing Luffy in a defeated state(Luffy only ressorting to G4 due to the birdcage timelimit)

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On the other side, Cracker dominates g2/3 Luffy upside down in few seconds

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Forcing Luffy to go G4 instantly to escape defeat against a Cracker who got caught off-guard due to thinking the victory was already assured:

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Also interesting to note the difference in tankage between Doflamingo who took a red hawk to Cracker who actually took a kong gun

With Cracker not even sent flying that far(and still conscious and groaning) by a far more powerful move

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When Doflamingo was sent flying down the city, losing consciousness for few seconds and not exactly knowing what was going on

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Also look at the parallel feats between Cracker's and G4 attacks

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And we've yet to see his "thousand arms"

For the doubters/wankers, Cracker >>>> Doffy is all but confirmed now :bouncy:

All but confirmed facts now

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Sent flying by a hawk bazooka(and even running away from a hawk gatling) when Cracker perfectly blocks a hawk gatling and elephant gun, even redirecting the force back at Luffy and casually proceding to dominate him with a manga confirmation of having a superior armament to Doffy by Luffy himself

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Base Luffy easily dodges Doflamingo's attacks double sneak attacks while carrying Kyros

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Dominates him in close combat

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Statut-quo with awakening Doflamingo

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With Doflamingo never placing Luffy in a defeated state(Luffy only ressorting to G4 due to the birdcage timelimit)

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On the other side, Cracker dominates g2/3 Luffy upside down in few seconds

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Forcing Luffy to go G4 instantly to escape defeat against a Cracker who got caught off-guard due to thinking the victory was already assured:

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Also interesting to note the difference in tankage between Doflamingo who took a red hawk to Cracker who actually took a kong gun

With Cracker not even sent flying that far(and still conscious and groaning) by a far more powerful move

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When Doflamingo was sent flying down the city, losing consciousness for few seconds and not exactly knowing what was going on

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Also look at the parallel feats between Cracker's and G4 attacks

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And we've yet to see his "thousand arms"

For the doubters/wankers, Cracker >>>> Doffy is all but confirmed now :bouncy:

All but confirmed facts now

I don't understand how any of this proves he's over doffy doffy was taken out by stronger move King Kong gun
Then also took gamma knife and 2 gear4th intervals

Whereas crackdr got taken down with just Kong gun....?

How do u feel cracker would've preformed with gamma knife in addition to hear 4th on slaught


Also look how long it took to defeat doffy compared to cracker yet u still say he's stronger I really do not understand this ?

As for 1,000 arms we have yet to c doffy fight via awakening without gamma knife being done to him prior like seriously ?

And doffy never got knocked out from Kong gun if he did bird cage would've disappeared like it did when he got knocked out by King Kong gun

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Sent flying by a hawk bazooka(and even running away from a hawk gatling) when Cracker perfectly blocks a hawk gatling and elephant gun, even redirecting the force back at Luffy and casually proceding to dominate him with a manga confirmation of having a superior armament to Doffy by Luffy himself

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Base Luffy easily dodges Doflamingo's attacks double sneak attacks while carrying Kyros

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Dominates him in close combat

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Statut-quo with awakening Doflamingo

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With Doflamingo never placing Luffy in a defeated state(Luffy only ressorting to G4 due to the birdcage timelimit)

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On the other side, Cracker dominates g2/3 Luffy upside down in few seconds

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Forcing Luffy to go G4 instantly to escape defeat against a Cracker who got caught off-guard due to thinking the victory was already assured:

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Also interesting to note the difference in tankage between Doflamingo who took a red hawk to Cracker who actually took a kong gun

With Cracker not even sent flying that far(and still conscious and groaning) by a far more powerful move

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When Doflamingo was sent flying down the city, losing consciousness for few seconds and not exactly knowing what was going on

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Also look at the parallel feats between Cracker's and G4 attacks

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And we've yet to see his "thousand arms"

For the doubters/wankers, Cracker >>>> Doffy is all but confirmed now :bouncy:

All but confirmed facts now

Inb4 you know who over exaggerates the damage GK did to DD and ignores the fact that Luffy also took a lot of damage before their fight. Also, do you think Cracker is the Marco, Jozu, or Vista of the BM Pirates? I think he's equivalent to Jozu since I think Bobbin is the first mate and I'm having a hard time imagining that Vista would be stronger than DD.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Sent flying by a hawk bazooka(and even running away from a hawk gatling) when Cracker perfectly blocks a hawk gatling and elephant gun, even redirecting the force back at Luffy and casually proceding to dominate him with a manga confirmation of having a superior armament to Doffy by Luffy himself

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Base Luffy easily dodges Doflamingo's attacks double sneak attacks while carrying Kyros

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Dominates him in close combat

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Statut-quo with awakening Doflamingo

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With Doflamingo never placing Luffy in a defeated state(Luffy only ressorting to G4 due to the birdcage timelimit)

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On the other side, Cracker dominates g2/3 Luffy upside down in few seconds

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Forcing Luffy to go G4 instantly to escape defeat against a Cracker who got caught off-guard due to thinking the victory was already assured:

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Also interesting to note the difference in tankage between Doflamingo who took a red hawk to Cracker who actually took a kong gun

With Cracker not even sent flying that far(and still conscious and groaning) by a far more powerful move

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When Doflamingo was sent flying down the city, losing consciousness for few seconds and not exactly knowing what was going on

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Also look at the parallel feats between Cracker's and G4 attacks

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And we've yet to see his "thousand arms"

For the doubters/wankers, Cracker >>>> Doffy is all but confirmed now :bouncy:

All but confirmed facts now

Not really though. Luffy was in pretty much the same shape when he went G4 both times. Really he was probably less hurt here since there wasn't really much fighting. We'd need to see how well Cracker gets up after Kong Gun because right now what we have is a weakened Luffy who beat a weakened Doffy with KKG compared to a weakened Luffy beating(possibly) a healthy Cracker, it's undeniable Cracker was in better shape than Doffy during this fight. If this fight ends right here right now, then absolutely not if Cracker gets back up then there's a good chance it's true.

Also just because Cracker can give Luffy more of a challenge doesn't necessarily mean he could beat Doffy, when did ABC logic start applying? Foxy gave Luffy more trouble than Enel are we gonna say Foxy>Enel or that he could beat him in a fight? Moriah gave Luffy as much or more trouble than Croc is Moriah>Croc?

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Current chapter....

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One punch and eyes phased white..... There for DD>C

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sent flying by a hawk bazooka(and even running away from a hawk gatling) when Cracker perfectly blocks a hawk gatling and elephant gun, even redirecting the force back at Luffy and casually proceding to dominate him with a manga confirmation of having a superior armament to Doffy by Luffy himself

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Base Luffy easily dodges Doflamingo's attacks double sneak attacks while carrying Kyros

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Dominates him in close combat

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Statut-quo with awakening Doflamingo

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With Doflamingo never placing Luffy in a defeated state(Luffy only ressorting to G4 due to the birdcage timelimit)

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On the other side, Cracker dominates g2/3 Luffy upside down in few seconds

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Forcing Luffy to go G4 instantly to escape defeat against a Cracker who got caught off-guard due to thinking the victory was already assured:

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Also interesting to note the difference in tankage between Doflamingo who took a red hawk to Cracker who actually took a kong gun

With Cracker not even sent flying that far(and still conscious and groaning) by a far more powerful move

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When Doflamingo was sent flying down the city, losing consciousness for few seconds and not exactly knowing what was going on

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Also look at the parallel feats between Cracker's and G4 attacks

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And we've yet to see his "thousand arms"

For the doubters/wankers, Cracker >>>> Doffy is all but confirmed now :bouncy:

All but confirmed facts now

Nothing has been confirmed. I see a lot of similarities, more than differences, between Dofi's fight with Luffy and Cracker's.

Cracker effortlessly blocks Gear Third, Doflamingo effortlessly blocks Gear Third.

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Luffy attempts to block an attack with his arm while its infused with Buso, and his guard is broken through, causing him to be sent flying. This happens in both his fights with Cracker and Doflamingo

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Luffy sloppily dodges Cracker's sword strikes, just like how he sloppily dodged(and subsequently got hit by) Doflamingo's Overheat.

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Doflamingo never lost consciousness when he got hit by Kong Gun. If he had, the Bird Cage would have disappeared, and we see him coughing as he lay on the ground. The only thing this chapter has established is that Cracker might have superior physical strength to Doflamingo. If that's enough to say that he's stronger than Doflamingo, then Cracker is stronger than Fujitora, who Doflamingo is also stronger than, since Doflamingo was able to keep Luffy stationary while he was in Gear 2, but Fujitora was being pushed back by Gear 2.

The Haki statement is also so-so. It's an obvious exaggeration, but if we took it at face value like you have, then that means Cracker's Buso is harder than Mihawk's, his sword's, Seastone(which is as hard as diamond and said that no one can break it), and Fujitora's Haki as well. Are you going to start vouching that Cracker's Haki is superior to all of these things as well?

Also, why do you seem to think that dodging an attack is worse than blocking it? At the end of the day, whether you block an attack or you dodge it, you're accomplishing the same thing: You're making the attack ineffective. You yourself have said you judge characters' strengths based off of capabilities. The fact that Dofy and Cracker both were unable to be injured by Gear 2 and Gear 3 displays that they have the same capabilities, one accomplished by blocking and one accomplished by evading. I can just as easily say that Cracker is inferior to Doflamingo because he has no choice but to stand there and hope he can block an attack since he's too slow, while Doflamingo can easily dodge it and not risk anything. It goes both ways.

Anyways, the hype was derailed the second Cracker got hit with Kong Gun and his eyes went white, sending him slumped to the ground.

Inb4 you know who over exaggerates the damage GK did to DD and ignores the fact that Luffy also took a lot of damage before their fight. Also, do you think Cracker is the Marco, Jozu, or Vista of the BM Pirates? I think he's equivalent to Jozu since I think Bobbin is the first mate and I'm having a hard time imagining that Vista would be stronger than DD.

Why do you choose to instead downplay someone having their organs torn apart and almost dying? How is almost dying to you a minor thing?

 

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[OG sama]

To all the people saying Cracker is weaker cuz of the Kong gun clearly hurting him, how?

Lets not ignore the fact that DD never took a direct hit from KG and undoubtedly had more time to react than Cracker did.

Cracker was completely off guard and Luffy didn't even need a second to activate G4 unlike DR, Luffy was Also already in close range with Cracker.

And watch he still is going to get up.

 

[Punk Hazard]

To all the people saying Cracker is weaker cuz of the Kong gun clearly hurting him, how?

Lets not ignore the fact that DD never took a direct hit from KG and undoubtedly had more time to react than Cracker did.

Cracker was completely off guard and Luffy didn't even need a second to activate G4 unlike DR, Luffy was Also already in close range with Cracker.

And watch he still is going to get up.

The fact that Cracker is taking pretty much the same amount of damage that a weakened Doffy took from King Gun, as it appears so far, just derails the hype a smidge.

 

[OG sama]

The fact that Cracker is taking pretty much the same amount of damage that a weakened Doffy took from King Gun, as it appears so far, just derails the hype a smidge.

And I knew you were going to say that.

Mingo never took a direct hit from KG though and was still affected by the attack and was sent flying all across DR. Cracker on the other hand was completely throw off and took a direct blow to the chest, and still wasn't sent flying as far as DD who blocked it.

Luffy was also weakened in his fight with DD as the manga points out, hes completely 100% here and it didnt even take him a second to enter G4.

Ode really doesn't seem to care how much weakened Doflamingo was in comparison.

 

[chopstickchakra]

To all the people saying Cracker is weaker cuz of the Kong gun clearly hurting him, how?

Lets not ignore the fact that DD never took a direct hit from KG and undoubtedly had more time to react than Cracker did.

Cracker was completely off guard and Luffy didn't even need a second to activate G4 unlike DR, Luffy was Also already in close range with Cracker.

And watch he still is going to get up.

Luffy not needing as much time to enter G4 now compared to DR can imply different things to different people, for example it could imply that he was at less damage/fatigue this time hence why it was easier to activate or it could imply he's grown in strength since then. Either of those shows why it's not a good comparison to say Doffy>Cracker or Cracker>Doffy though. Also we should wait to see how well Cracker handled the hit because IF it did take him down that'd put him below Doffy since Cracker was fully healthy at the time of that hit which is not the case for DD.

Cracker's bigger than Doffy of course he's not going to go as far, is that really an excuse you want to use on behalf of your point? If you hit a 2 lb sack and a 10 lb sack with the same force one will move more than the other that doesn't change the force of the hit at all.

 

[OG sama]

Luffy not needing as much time to enter G4 now compared to DR can imply different things to different people, for example it could imply that he was at less damage/fatigue this time hence why it was easier to activate or it could imply he's grown in strength since then. Either of those shows why it's not a good comparison to say Doffy>Cracker or Cracker>Doffy though. Also we should wait to see how well Cracker handled the hit because IF it did take him down that'd put him below Doffy since Cracker was fully healthy at the time of that hit which is not the case for DD.

Cracker's bigger than Doffy of course he's not going to go as far, is that really an excuse you want to use on behalf of your point? If you hit a 2 lb sack and a 10 lb sack with the same force one will move more than the other that doesn't change the force of the hit at all.

Agreed with your first paragraph but dont know what the hell your talking about in the second. I never used Crackers weight as an excuse at all. Sounds like you need to reread.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And I knew you were going to say that.

Mingo never took a direct hit from KG though and was still affected by the attack and was sent flying all across DR. Cracker on the other hand was completely throw off and took a direct blow to the chest, and still wasn't sent flying as far as DD who blocked it.

Luffy was also weakened in his fight with DD as the manga points out, hes completely 100% here and it didnt even take him a second to enter G4.

Ode really doesn't seem to care how much weakened Doflamingo was in comparison.

The hit Doflamingo took was indeed a direct blow though. It him head-on with nothing in between to stop it. Yes, he moved his arms in front of him, but that's still his body. That's still gonna damage him greatly.

Who cares how far they're sent flying? That's not an indicator of pain. Cracker wasn't sent flying far, but he's currently slumped on the ground in a dazed state, same as Doflamingo.

Edit: If you look closely, you can see Cracker's shattered shield, meaning that Luffy punched through it. So you can argue that by putting his shield in the way, he did the same thing Doflamingo did by trying to block with his arms.

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[OG sama]

The hit Doflamingo took was indeed a direct blow though. It him head-on with nothing in between to stop it. Yes, he moved his arms in front of him, but that's still his body. That's still gonna damage him greatly.

Who cares how far they're sent flying? That's not an indicator of pain. Cracker wasn't sent flying far, but he's currently slumped on the ground in a dazed state, same as Doflamingo.

Edit: If you look closely, you can see Cracker's shattered shield, meaning that Luffy punched through it. So you can argue that by putting his shield in the way, he did the same thing Doflamingo did by trying to block with his arms.

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Doflamingo completely blocked the attack with his Hakified arm so it reduced the damage a good bit, still hurt him though. He never took a direct blow to the chest like Cracker did, Cracker was totally off guard with no time to even use Haki or even use Hakified enforcement on his shield because he thought the battle was already won. Not to mention Luffy was literally right by him and he instantly turned G4 and simultaneously landed a blow on him so Cracker had 0 time to react.

That ain't no direct blow at all because if it was Mingo would have been hit in his chest, he wasn't. He still had his hands up after being knocked back by KG indicating it wasn't a direct hit.