Lawlermelon
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Quantity =/= Quality and its only an assumption. There is no proof that the attack it stronger just because there is more ice.
[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo
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Doffy survived first G4 shows that he is powerful enough to solo luffy, unlike luffy, doffy was fighting law and fujitora where luffy just fought at colloseum and had plenty of time to rest and regain energy. Doffy is stronger than luffy, i would say if he was not shichibukai than he would be obviously top commanders of younkou!!!
No. Luffy would win.
Correction: DID win.
Nope. If Luffy was at 100% full health and stamina/Haki Doffy wouldn't have survived the first G4 onslaught, because Luffy would've been able to land his KKG during that first G4.. Therefore beating Doflamingo sooner..
Yeah, I can totally see Jozu’s struggle and his concern for crew-mates in his face. He was actually crying about how he’s not able to save a single soul and cursing his inability to break free. :yeah: Whether it was justifiable or not is not for you or me to decide. The fact is, Jozu displayed no sings of struggle to break free unlike any other who were controlled or immobilized by Joker thus far. Therefore, you can't downright decide that it was because he couldn't break free when he didn't made any visible attempts at getting out of it.
The shichibukai never made WB their sole target unlike Crocodile, The story would have been a lot different had they joined forces and decided to take down Whitebeard. DD might have shared intel with Crocodile, then they might have devised a plan which would certainly work and killed Whitebeard when the time comes akin to BB and others. Jozu isn't some kind of savior of the war, they're all prepared to die fight for Ace; wasting a minute or two to collect intel isn't going to change much. There were times when the main fighters of each side stood there without doing anything, and you talk as if it is impractical for a character to waste time in the middle of a war??! It's not really as Black and White as you're making it out to be.
I would've conceded with what you've said, had there been any visible sings of struggle or concern for loosing his comrades from Jozu. But there weren't any to began with, He was completely calm and didn't even give a flying rats ass about the fact that he was immobilized. I can agree that that particular scene in the manga put DD in a better light than Jozu from portrayal stand point. But it is nowhere near good enough to establish DD as the superior of the two.
"Blocking an attack from Mihawk"Which may rival or even superior to G4 attacks" without so much as a dent and not receiving a dent from fighting an admiral until when he was distracted" are still way better feats than immobilizing Jozu and breaking out of Aokoiji's ice which wasn't, apparently, aimed to kill him or meant to completely freeze him to the bone.
His aim was to stop Snail transmitter and the person holding it which happened to be Buggy. He aimed for Buggy and the attacks byproduct ended up freezing his men. Not to mention, The attack Aokiji used to contain Whitebeard(Forgot it's name) had far lesser impact on the surroundings than the one used on Joker. Aokiji had to directly touch Jozu and indirectly made a contact with Whitebeard via ice in order to freeze them. Where as, he simply had his hands in his pockets and used surroundings as a medium to deliver the attack on Joker, which is why it ended up spreading all over the place. It wasn't necessarily a stronger attack. Aokiji in fact, didn't seem to have any intention of fighting or defeating Joker.
People seem to think Luffy is half as strong as Mingo or something. So, even if Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo, and if he'll get beaten by Luffy, the Doflamingo faction will do everything in their power to establish Joker to be the superior fighter as they believe that Luffy is still the same as how he was at Dressrossa.
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Nope he didnt win a 1v1. Luffy had help from many people. He won because of plot. Luffy was very strong in G4 and yes was stronger then DD but that meant nothing. DD still was coming after luffy after G4 and could of ended him if it wasnt for the others. Dont even mention Law, If it was a 1v1 hands down luffy would loose at that that point in time. DD just has the stamina and could out last Luffy.
So what you said about about luffy winning solo is completely invalid. And he didnt.
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How exactly do those spoilers hurt Doflamingo? From what it sounds, Kong Gun will push Cracker back just like it did Dofy. That'd put them in the same position.
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When Gear Fourth ends with Luffy on his feet and Doffy unconscious with just the two of them, then Luffy>Doffy.
Doflamingo was sent flying by a hawk bazooka through his hardening guard and he ran away from a hawk gatling when Cracker could firmly block the hawk gatling and even an elephant gun with a hardening defense made of cookies and overwhelms Luffy in the process all that unscrathed and it requires a kong gun(an attack that helped Doflamingo to see stars for few seconds even while blocking) just to break through his cookies' defense, and all that while using a basic stance.
He is also known as "thousand arms" Cracker something he wasn't even close at using yet. From this alone, we can estimate that he is superior to Doflamingo. And if Luffy is already that pushed when Cracker has yet to fight in the stance his nickname comes from, he has a high chance to even be able to effectively combat g4 if not overwhelm him in next chapter, putting him a tier stronger than Doflamingo in the process
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Cracker has better feats than a Doflamingo who's been pushed close to death? Why, case closed. I suppose he's also better than Fujitora, right?
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Honestly its going to be hard as hell to determine who could be stronger, on one hand, DD was injured but to some unknown extent so was Luffy.
Now he's 100% fresh and he just knocked back someone with the same move he knocked DD back with.
The spoilers at best conforms that Cracker's haki and physical strength are superior to Joker. Cracker seems to be a physical fighter(those whose fighting style revolves around their own physical prowess) much like Luffy/Zoro/Jack. In which case, him having such a monstrous strength is to be expected. Joker is never a physical fighter to began with, his main offence revolves around his devils fruit. So, It's not surprising that his haki and physical strength looks inferior.
Won't you ever stop over-exaggerating this shit?
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Jozu being silly for having his guard down doesn't change my point at all. He probabky shouldn't of been taken off guard but he was, that is my point. Jozu wasn't able to break out of parasite when caught but that's not the point he'd probably would have never gotten caught in the first place if on guard. While most of Doffy's move aren't sneak attacks there has just been some situations where he catches him for off guard. Doffy isn't competeing with the like sof Marco LOL.
That's irrelevant seeing how Jozu most likely wouldn't get caught in the first place. Luffy got out of parisite due to the expansion of his body, not raw physical strength.
The move Kuzan used on DD wasn't stronger than the one use on Jozu
