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I don't know why people give Bellamy's punches so much credit. Bellamy was a one punch chump back in Mock Town and he's still a chump. Bellamy's punches din't hurt Luffy back then why would they hurt him now> For Bellamy's punches to hurt Luffy at DR he'd had to have leveled up at a pace faster than Luffy which we all know is ridiculous.
 

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I don't know why people give Bellamy's punches so much credit. Bellamy was a one punch chump back in Mock Town and he's still a chump. Bellamy's punches din't hurt Luffy back then why would they hurt him now> For Bellamy's punches to hurt Luffy at DR he'd had to have leveled up at a pace faster than Luffy which we all know is ridiculous.
Wtf are you talking about? Luffy was hurt at Mock Town after he let Bellamy and his crew beat him and Zoro up. Bellamy's offense is much better than his defense. Also, Luffy was clearly hurt by that first punch Bellamy gave him during their fight at Dressrosa, and he got hit by Bellamy a lot more after that. Oda even had them both comment, on the same page, about how weakened both of them were, so it should be pretty obvious that Oda intended for both of them to be about as damaged as the other.
 

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Wtf are you talking about? Luffy was hurt at Mock Town after he let Bellamy and his crew beat him and Zoro up. Bellamy's offense is much better than his defense. Also, Luffy was clearly hurt by that first punch Bellamy gave him during their fight at Dressrosa, and he got hit by Bellamy a lot more after that. Oda even had them both comment, on the same page, about how weakened both of them were, so it should be pretty obvious that Oda intended for both of them to be about as damaged as the other.
So you think if Bellamy hit Doffy with that assault, it'd do the same amount of damage as Gamma Knife? You think Bellamy can produce the same amount of damage as Law?
 

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So you think if Bellamy hit Doffy with that assault, it'd do the same amount of damage as Gamma Knife? You think Bellamy can produce the same amount of damage as Law?
Not to Doffy since his durability, unlike Luffy's, is great enough to prevent Bellamy's punches from hurting him.
 

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Old shit already debunked. He ate afterwards, so his energy would have been replenished. The fact that it was only stated he was using his Haki too much when he went Gear Fourth indicates that sustained Haki drains too much, but coating your limbs momentarily for a strike doesn't.



Luffy was only held down in one spot by Trebol. He was never actually hurt by him. Bellamy's punches are in no way on the same level of Gamma Knife. Luffy wasn't at full health, but he was far closer to full health than Doflamingo was, and still would have died without help.
Eating, (alone), will not put Luffy at 100%... (especially if it isnt one of his usual FEASTS/banquets at the end of an arc type of meal).. I mean of course it helps, thats for sure.. but its Eating and sleeping/rest is that would bring him (or anyone really) back to 100% though..
 

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Eating, (alone), will not put Luffy at 100%... (especially if it isnt one of his usual FEASTS/banquets at the end of an arc type of meal).. I mean of course it helps, thats for sure.. but its Eating and sleeping/rest is that would bring him (or anyone really) back to 100% though..
Yes it will. It wouldn't heal wounds or injuries, but Luffy had neither. He left the colosseum with nothing more but depleted energy, and he regained it when he ate. It has been shown before that Luffy will regain his energy just by eating some meat. There was nothing from the colosseum that prevented Luffy from being at 100% when he got to the palace.
 

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Yes it will. It wouldn't heal wounds or injuries, but Luffy had neither. He left the colosseum with nothing more but depleted energy, and he regained it when he ate. It has been shown before that Luffy will regain his energy just by eating some meat. There was nothing from the colosseum that prevented Luffy from being at 100% when he got to the palace.
No it won't. I'm sorry... this may be a manga, but it isn't a video game...

I'll repeat it again... eating will HELP replenish some energy.. sure.. but it will NOT put Luffy at 100%.

ONLY sleeping AND eating, will put Luffy (and anyone else for that matter) back to 100%.


What you're saying is true, don't get me wrong, eating some meat will help replenish some energy and give Luffy a boost.. but you are completely confusing that, with being at 100% full health and stamina. The two are different bro.. I'm sorry..
 

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No it won't. I'm sorry... this may be a manga, but it isn't a video game...

I'll repeat it again... eating will HELP replenish some energy.. sure.. but it will NOT put Luffy at 100%.

ONLY sleeping AND eating, will put Luffy (and anyone else for that matter) back to 100%.


What you're saying is true, don't get me wrong, eating some meat will help replenish some energy and give Luffy a boost.. but you are completely confusing that, with being at 100% full health and stamina. The two are different bro.. I'm sorry..
No. Like, deadass, Luffy said the reason he lost to Lucci at Water 7 was because he was just hungry. After he beat a bunch of the Marines at Enies Lobby, he said he was tired, took some meat out of pockets, ate it, and said he was good to go.

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Eats meat="I'm totally revived!"
 
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No. Like, deadass, Luffy said the reason he lost to Lucci at Water 7 was because he was just hungry. After he beat a bunch of the Marines at Enies Lobby, he said he was tired, took some meat out of pockets, ate it, and said he was good to go.

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Eats meat="I'm totally revived!"
I know exactly what you mean.. and what Luffy means in that scan.. I'm agreeing with you to an extent... however he wasn't magically brought back at 100% full health and stamina just because he ate that meat.

I mean, if you cant see the comedic aspect of that scan, then Idk what else to tell you.
 

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I know exactly what you mean.. and what Luffy means in that scan.. I'm agreeing with you to an extent... however he wasn't magically brought back at 100% full health and stamina just because he ate that meat.

I mean, if you cant see the comedic aspect of that scan, then Idk what else to tell you.
I don't give a rat's ass. Luffy says eating replenishes his energy, then that's that. It being comedic doesn't matter because Luffy is always serious, comedic situation or not. It's to evoke laughter, but it's still how Luffy works.
 

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I don't give a rat's ass. Luffy says eating replenishes his energy, then that's that. It being comedic doesn't matter because Luffy is always serious, comedic situation or not. It's to evoke laughter, but it's still how Luffy works.
So I have your word right now, that everything Luffy says is fact?
 

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So I have your word right now, that everything Luffy says is fact?
No. But there's nothing that indicates that's not a fact. This is a world where Sanji can be set on fire by being angry, Zoro can increase the size of his biceps and triceps by inhaling, Jesus Burgess can throw a shockwave with his elbow, Kumdari can force his body to go from fat to skinny within moments. Their bodies don't work the same way. That's what makes Luffy regaining his energy plausible, as it's not an isolated incident.
 

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No. But there's nothing that indicates that's not a fact. This is a world where Sanji can be set on fire by being angry, Zoro can increase the size of his biceps and triceps by inhaling, Jesus Burgess can throw a shockwave with his elbow, Kumdari can force his body to go from fat to skinny within moments. Their bodies don't work the same way. That's what makes Luffy regaining his energy plausible, as it's not an isolated incident.
So in this same world where all these crazy things happen, why do you think that Luffy's G4th wouldn't last longer in a 1v1 fight against Doflamingo with both of them starting off at 100%?

If eating helps regain energy, then why wouldn't running around, using haki for both defense and offense, fighting random opponents, and letting someone who you don't want to fight beat on you, take away energy?

Btw Luffy never ate again after the snack Rebecca gave him, and everything I just said above also happened after he ate that snack.

So there's no way Luffy would've been at 100% when fighting Doflamingo..
 

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So in this same world where all these crazy things happen, why do you think that Luffy's G4th wouldn't last longer in a 1v1 fight against Doflamingo with both of them starting off at 100%?
Nothing indicates it'd last long enough to finish off a 100% Doflamingo. There is also the highly indicated possibility that Dofi is stronger, so even if it could last longer, that doesn't mean it could inflict enough damage even if it could last longer.

If eating helps regain energy, then why wouldn't running around, using haki for both defense and offense, fighting random opponents, and letting someone who you don't want to fight beat on you, take away energy?
He was on a bull and then Cavendish's horse all the way to the palace. He didn't do any real fighting until he got to the palace. If Luffy loses substantial energy from that, then he's frankly too damn weak.

Btw Luffy never ate again after the snack Rebecca gave him, and everything I just said above also happened after he ate that snack.
Nothing substantially draining happened.
 

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Nothing indicates it'd last long enough to finish off a 100% Doflamingo. There is also the highly indicated possibility that Dofi is stronger, so even if it could last longer, that doesn't mean it could inflict enough damage even if it could last longer.


He was on a bull and then Cavendish's horse all the way to the palace. He didn't do any real fighting until he got to the palace. If Luffy loses substantial energy from that, then he's frankly too damn weak.


Nothing substantially draining happened.
The manga indicates that he only needed just a little more time to land his last hit.. the manga indicates that haki is something that can be used and recharged.. the manga may indicate eating gave Luffy energy, but it never indicated that eating would replenish Haki (unless you can provide a scan of that).. in fact, the manga does indicate that a little bit of rest/sleep would in fact restore haki..

So based off of the manga, ever since Haki has been introduced, there's no reason why Luffy's G4th wouldn't last a little longer if he was at 100% full health and stamina/haki..

Putting Doflamingo at 100% doesn't change KKG knocking him out..

Stay up for a day or two and fight people, and let a bullet hit you in the head.
Now let that same bullet hit you in the head in the morning of a fresh new day, when you have full energy..

That bullet to the head is still going to do the same thing either way.

Luffy's KKG is going to put Doffy to sleep no matter what. No matter how healthy Doflamingo is at the time.. it doesn't matter.
 

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The manga indicates that he only needed just a little more time to land his last hit.. the manga indicates that haki is something that can be used and recharged.. the manga may indicate eating gave Luffy energy, but it never indicated that eating would replenish Haki (unless you can provide a scan of that).. in fact, the manga does indicate that a little bit of rest/sleep would in fact restore haki..

So based off of the manga, ever since Haki has been introduced, there's no reason why Luffy's G4th wouldn't last a little longer if he was at 100% full health and stamina/haki..
Nope. Haki is directly related to energy, as we see that losing his Haki drained Luffy of his energy. It stands to reason that regaining stamina would therefore allow him to regain his Haki, so eating would let him regain it. This is even highly evident by the fact that Luffy couldn't move while his Haki was drained, but once he got it back, he was able to stand up and fight again. And if Luffy can regain enough Haki to go Gear 4th in only ten minutes of resting, why would the much less Haki he used in the tournament not be regained during the period between ending his block and reaching the balance, where he didn't use Haki and didn't exert himself in any substantial way?

Putting Doflamingo at 100% doesn't change KKG knocking him out..
There is zero evidence that one King Kong Gun alone would knock out Doflamingo at 100%. When Doflamingo was knocked out, he had Gamma Knife, Injection Shot, Red Hawk, Jet Stamp, the entire Gear Fourth assault, and THEN King Kong Gun. All of this collectively weakened him into being knocked out, not KKG alone.

Stay up for a day or two and fight people, and let a bullet hit you in the head.
Now let that same bullet hit you in the head in the morning of a fresh new day, when you have full energy..

That bullet to the head is still going to do the same thing either way.
One Piece doesn't work this way.

Luffy's KKG is going to put Doffy to sleep no matter what. No matter how healthy Doflamingo is at the time.. it doesn't matter.
Not how it works, as explained above.
 
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