[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo
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That is assuming Luffy will be fighting a yonkou at the end of this arc. One Piece was never a manga where the main character just exponentially keeps getting stronger. Look at part one where Luffy was given advantages or enemies were getting handicapped. After timeskip it was Luffy who got handicapped in the first fights.
I think it's a real possibility Luffy won't be fighting a yonkou at the end of this arc. Not only that Oda made it so that 2 yonkou's are involved now. There is no way he is able to take one on now. Look how they struggled with the Doflamingo family, they're not fighting Senor Pink anymore, but Cracker Jack's !
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The world also "knows" that Chopper is a pet and a random monster defeated Kumadori. WE, the readers, know that Luffy would have been killed without Law or the fighters.
Luffy replenished his strength when he ate food after fighting at the Colosseum, and it was only noted that Luffy was using too much Haki when he went Gear 4, meaning his Haki loss until then wasn't relevant. "Luffy would have had more Haki and be able to do his last move" is pure conjecture.
As long as the credit is split, it doesn't matter who got the finishing blow. All it means is Luffy did not solo Mingo, hence the 500 mil bounty for both Luffy and Law.
Who knows what Luffy's bounty would be had he defeated Mingo alone.
Luffy most likely grew stronger from his fight with Doflamingo especially with the 2weeks timeskip he got from Zou to the Whole Cake Island, so his base stats are probably greater and so will his haki and g4. With that said, it doesn't matter in this considering even in dressrosa G4 was >>> Doflamingo. So it'd depend on how Cracker performs against it
Except I never said he was or should beat a Yonko right now. All I'm saying is that in an arc involving a Yonko you don't allow the MC to lose to a Doflamingo level foe, and one he beat two arcs ago. He could lose to Big Mom though as that would makes sense, its a Yonko saga.
Doffy tards want oda to show how beneath Doflamingo Luffy is in an arc about a Yonko? Sorry that's now how Oda rolls.
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Yes the **** you do? Luffy has been in arcs with Admirals and lost to Shichibukai. Just because the Yonko are in the arc doesn't mean shit.
"Luffy defeated Doffy two arcs ago." That's a 100% shitty measure of time. Skypeia alone was once the longest arc, and spanned less than a single day. Two arcs ago doesn't necessarily mean it's a substantial amount of time in their world.
No one is saying that Cracker can't be stronger than Doffy, and that Luffy couldn't have surpassed Doffy at this point. Just that this does not prove that in the slightest, and you're jumping the gun by using this as "evidence."
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Except those arcs weren't called the admiral saga now were they? This is a ****ing Yonko saga, not the damn Marineford or sabaody arc where Oda wanted to show Luffy was weak and needed to train. He's way passed that shit now where he needs Timeskip after timeskip to get stronger.
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Actually the fight was Luffy, Law, and fodders who died in one second VS Doflamingo, Trebol, and Bellamy (who was used by DD to separate Luffy and Law and Bellamy was able to do a lot of damage to Luffy since Luffy wouldn't attack him for a while.)
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Let's see cracker tank gamma knife and 2 gear 4ths then we can call him stronger then doffy until then no ... Just no
What? Doffy never tanked any of this shit, he was constantly stitching his organs together. Not all fights play out the same way either, what if Luffy defeats Cracker with a brand new OP Gear 4 attack what are you going to say?
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It's actually called the Pirate Alliance Sage. Idk where you're getting this Yonko saga BS from.
Oda's words, not mine, that the author doesn't know how Luffy will get around Kaido because he's not strong enough to even stand against him.
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DD used Bellamy's connection to Luffy to separate Luffy and Law. If Luffy and Law fought DD together, they would have won low-mid diff considering that DD was getting his ass handed to him everytime they were together. Bellamy was able to punch Luffy for at least 10 minutes without Luffy fighting back, which weakened Luffy enough to the point where he was just as weakened as DD was after defeating Law.
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This isn't true at all. Doflamingo easily separated Luffy and Law while they were together, resulting in Luffy with his hands tied behind his back and Law with four new holes in his chest and back. Bellamy and Trebol are both inferior in power to Doflamingo's Awakening, which was capable of injuring and pushing back Gear 4th Luffy.
What this means is, unless you think Bellamy and Trebol can contend with Gear Fourth in power, then Doflamingo can easily compensate for their absence by using his Awakened abilities to separate Luffy and Law again and pick them off individually.
Luffy was NOT weakened as much as Doflamingo was. Quit ****ing around. There's NO WAY Bellamy's punches were as strong as Law's strongest attacks that brought Doflamingo, a man that could take Gear Fourth attacks and then follow up with a speed blitz, to his knees and bordering on death. Unless you think those punches from Bellamy would do the same amount of damage Gamma Knife would, then there's no way you really think Luffy was equally weakened.
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So what? That's not even what I'm arguing, neither is Doflamingo or Cracker, Luffy can still be stronger than those two and still be no match for a Yonko.
And as far as we know, Kaido can't even kill himself, he's immortal, so beating Kaido may involve more than just being Top tier strong. We have no idea if Big Mom is the same way, not saying she's going to be taken down just yet anyway.
Read something a while back saying this was the vs four emperors arc. It could have been just meaning he will fight the Yonkos.
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I guess you forgot that DD was only able to do that because Trebol distracted Law.....
One of Bellamy's punches made a CoA-clad Luffyvspit out blood. Luffy was taking those lunches for over 10 minutes at least nonstop. Not to mention that he was wasting Haki during that time as well. Oda even dedicated a few panels to have Luffy and DD comment on how both were very injured, so it should be pretty obvious that Oda believes they were nearly equal in health at that point.