[Discussion] Can Mihawk cut Kaidou?

[ArabianLuffy]

No he doesn't because there's other ways to hurt someone besides cutting them. Just because Mihawk wouldn't be able to cut him doesn't = him not being able to be hurt it just means his skin won't break, Mihawk's slashes could hurt him they just wouldn't break his skin and cut him they would deal impact damage though as the force hits him. Think of Kaidou as Luke Cage and it's easier to understand that he can be hurt and beaten and still remain un cut. All Mihawk not being able to cut him would mean is that no one would be able to cut him, which no one is arguing because that is a fact, if Mihawk can't cut him nobody can cut him but that doesn't mean that nobody can hurt him.

Despite all the factors:

1) High level of Haki and swordsmanship.
2) #1 Great Sword.

... just what's with Kaidou's skin? And yet he's probably wouldn't need to use Armament Haki for this matter... I think Oda no matter how genius in plotting he is, he's gonna fail in bringing Kaidou down.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Despite all the factors:

1) High level of Haki and swordsmanship.
2) #1 Great Sword.

... just what's with Kaidou's skin? And yet he's probably wouldn't need to use Armament Haki for this matter... I think Oda no matter how genius in plotting he is, he's gonna fail in bringing Kaidou down.

Why? BM's power is already a perfect tool in a fight against Kaidou. On top of it being a perfect skill to fight him with I'd say at least 80% expect BM to at least be friendly with SH's because of Lola. Even if she doesn't become friends with them and help them beat Kaidou she still may be the one to fight him since she's protecting Caesar. People seem to be having a really hard time even accepting there MIGHT be something Mihawk can't cut.

 

[LBeezy]

Chopstickchakra does make sense on everything.. except just one small minor detail that I can't agree with..

The part about the Marines "using Mihawk" to kill Kaido.

Gol D. Roger was literally executed by two fodders... I know the situation is different, cause he willingly turned himself in.. but also look at who was going to execute Ace... I think that's just how the WG wants the executions to go.. straight disrespect to the OP legends by having fodder kill them while the world watches.. smh..

But also we have Mihawk clearly saying "No" to the WG in MF when Shanks arrived.. this showing us that Mihawk doesn't HAVE TO do EVERYTHING the WG says..



Plus we don't have any time frame as to when Kaido was captured... Mihawk may not have even been a Shichibukai during those times..

 

[chopstickchakra]

Chopstickchakra does make sense on everything.. except just one small minor detail that I can't agree with..

The part about the Marines "using Mihawk" to kill Kaido.

Gol D. Roger was literally executed by two fodders... I know the situation is different, cause he willingly turned himself in.. but also look at who was going to execute Ace... I think that's just how the WG wants the executions to go.. straight disrespect to the OP legends by having fodder kill them while the world watches.. smh..

But also we have Mihawk clearly saying "No" to the WG in MF when Shanks arrived.. this showing us that Mihawk doesn't HAVE TO do EVERYTHING the WG says..



Plus we don't have any time frame as to when Kaido was captured... Mihawk may not have even been a Shichibukai during those times..

Gol D Roger didn't have unexplained unbreakable skin though, keep that in consideration. Roger's execution took on the first try, we know for a fact Kaidou's didn't, we also know they tried multiple methods(spear chain and blade were mentioned) Ace was a DF user shackled in Seastone he had no defense available.

After the first failed attempt how many more times do you think they'd try the same thing? After awhile you start to look bad. It wouldn't really make much sense for the Marines to ignore this huge force that is Mihawk when they've tried so many time to execute Kaidou, would it? I agree there is a chance he wasn't used but that seems less likely than him having been used to me.

I'll give you the last point, he doesn't have to though I'm sure the situations are very few and far between and situation also dictates reactions from WG, MF was done pretty much everyone stopped so how mad could they really get at Mihawk there? But if they were to ask him to execute a prisoner they've been unable to and he refuses I'm sure he'd be met with harsher reactions than his MF refusal. True we don't know it for a fact but it's a safe assumption given all the time frames we do know, the scar would have had to happen pre Roger's death though for that to be valid, but it is possible.

Gotta give it to you, you came at my point of view the best. Appreciated.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why? BM's power is already a perfect tool in a fight against Kaidou. On top of it being a perfect skill to fight him with I'd say at least 80% expect BM to at least be friendly with SH's because of Lola. Even if she doesn't become friends with them and help them beat Kaidou she still may be the one to fight him since she's protecting Caesar. People seem to be having a really hard time even accepting there MIGHT be something Mihawk can't cut.

^^^

I keep thinking it's not a mere coincidence how much so many of the keypoints of the series tie together in the past few arcs.

-Luffy just defeated Doflamingo.
-This earns him beef with Kaido, who clobbered Moriah in the past.
-Moriah also clashed with Luffy on Thriller Bark which is the arc that first mentions Kaido.
-Moriah was also almost killed by Doflamingo on Marineford.
-Doflamingo works with Kaido.
-Kaido also works with Caesar Clown, who swindled money from Big Mom.
-Big Mom's daughter was revealed on Thriller Bark, the same arc Moriah was defeated by Luffy in.
-At the end of Thriller Bark, we see a silhouette that largely resembles a silhouette we saw when one of Kaido's subordinates tried to contact him.
-Big Mom's powers work on a spiritual level, while Kaido seems physically immune to harm.
-Luffy can't defeat either at this point, so it makes sense for Big Mom to aid him against Kaido. How? Because of their relationship with Lola, and because Sanji and Caesar will create for her the best candy in the world.

There's also the fact that when Luffy unveiled Gear Fourth, which allowed him to defeat Dofi, Kaido's business partner, the cover page was a throwback to Thriller Bark because of the zombies. Luffy also turned into Nightmare Luffy on Thriller Bark, which greatly resembles Gear Fourth in appearance.

 

[chopstickchakra]

^^^

I keep thinking it's not a mere coincidence how much so many of the keypoints of the series tie together in the past few arcs.

-Luffy just defeated Doflamingo.
-This earns him beef with Kaido, who clobbered Moriah in the past.
-Moriah also clashed with Luffy on Thriller Bark which is the arc that first mentions Kaido.
-Moriah was also almost killed by Doflamingo on Marineford.
-Doflamingo works with Kaido.
-Kaido also works with Caesar Clown, who swindled money from Big Mom.
-Big Mom's daughter was revealed on Thriller Bark, the same arc Moriah was defeated by Luffy in.
-At the end of Thriller Bark, we see a silhouette that largely resembles a silhouette we saw when one of Kaido's subordinates tried to contact him. -Big Mom's powers work on a spiritual level, while Kaido seems physically immune to harm.
-Luffy can't defeat either at this point, so it makes sense for Big Mom to aid him against Kaido. How? Because of their relationship with Lola, and because Sanji and Caesar will create for her the best candy in the world.

There's also the fact that when Luffy unveiled Gear Fourth, which allowed him to defeat Dofi, Kaido's business partner, the cover page was a throwback to Thriller Bark because of the zombies. Luffy also turned into Nightmare Luffy on Thriller Bark, which greatly resembles Gear Fourth in appearance.

@bold really? I don't remember that panel. Happen to remember the chaps. or pages by chance? I wanna go check that out.

 

[A v i]

You mean the argument Oda set? That argument? It might affect the argument if we knew anything about how or when or by whom it got there. The manga explicitly stated what broke against Kaidou's body, it mentions weapons. It never mentions anything about DF's. For all we know that scar isn't from a weapon which would bolster the Mihawk can't cut Kaidou stance. We don't know when the scar came about or if Kaidou has been impenetrable for ever. Also the argument wasn't that he can't be hurt, it's he can't be cut. His slashes could have enough force to still damage Kaidou even without breaking his skin. If that's too difficult a concept, imagine a blade hitting a 10" thick metal plate you're holding, it won't cut you but it's gonna make you sore. One more thing about that scar since you brought it up, show me another sword scar in OP that looks like that. That's definitely not a cut scar at best it's a puncture scar.

Do elaborate how it's ridiculous, because most people here just throw around the word ridiculous when they don't have a retort. You know what's ridiculous the idea that the Marines wouldn't exhaust every available resource in their multiple execution attempts. It's ridiculous to think a Yonko and his crew were unable to cut Kaidou but Mihawk can. It's ridiculous to just automatically assume Mihawk can cut something the author said wasn't able to be cut in thousands of torture sessions and at least 40 execution attempts. That's ridiculous.

Yeah, we have to know by what, who, where and how the damage was inflected on Kaido to determine if WSSM can actually cut the dude. But some random characters (Lord knows how strong they are) at a random place tries to execute Kaido with random weapons. Yet, it is enough for us to conform that the Worlds Strongest Swordsman can't dent the guy?? And you're asking me to give you an explanation as to why this absurd logic of yours sounds ridiculous?

One thing I feel for certain from reading your posts is that you're utterly confused. The manga never said anything about the Yonko or The admirals failing to hurt/dent/damage/cut Kaido. Only thing it mentioned was that they couldn't kill him not that they couldn't dent him. Just so we're clear, the statement technically doesn't conform the involvement of the Yonko captains or The marine Admirals. They may or may not have been involved. You're taking vague statements for granted and confusing one thing with another. Not only that, you're deliberately misleading the statements said about Kaido to give him some kind of immunity towards weapon users in particular.

What failed to dent Kaido were a few execution apparatus namely "

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". And you're equating them to WSSM with worlds greatest sword.(The most ridiculous part of your argument) Only weapons don't work on Kaido? Obviously, because he apparently never came across an opponent who posses a devils fruit and no devils fruit user has ever made an attempt to kill him. Yet according to you; the marines must have exhausted every possible method available to them to execute Kaido and consulted Mihawk to do the job.:yeah: Manga never said anything about Devils Fruits? If this is how you want to play, Then be my guest; The manga made no mention of a sword user failing to cut Kaido either.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yeah, we have to know by what, who, where and how the damage was inflected on Kaido to determine if WSSM can actually cut the dude. But some random characters (Lord knows how strong they are) at a random place tries to execute Kaido with random weapons.

Guy are you still trying? Random characters? It literally said other Yonko, yeah they're real random ass character level huh? The Marines sure are a random group huh?

Yet, it is enough for us to conform that the Worlds Strongest Swordsman can't dent the guy?? And you're asking me to give you an explanation as to why this absurd logic of yours sounds ridiculous?

It's not my logic it's the authors though that's the funniest thing of it all.

One thing I feel for certain from reading your posts is that you're utterly confused. The manga never said anything about the Yonko or The admirals failing to hurt/dent/damage/cut Kaido. Only thing it mentioned was that they couldn't kill him not that they couldn't dent him.

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It literally says in black and white, Yonko and Marines...shattered blades, broken chains and broken spears. The only one misconstruing words is you in order to validate an unfounded belief Mihawk could cut him. Whether he can or not will only be revealed in time but currently you have nothing that actually supports your belief and the manga provides reasoning why your belief is wrong. Take it for what you will I'm done holding your hand through this.

Just so we're clear, the statement technically doesn't conform the involvement of the Yonko captains or The marine Admirals. They may or may not have been involved. You're taking vague statements for granted and confusing one thing with another. Not only that, you're deliberately misleading the statements said about Kaido to give him some kind of immunity towards weapon users in particular.

What failed to dent Kaido were a few execution apparatus namely "

You must be registered for see links

". And you're equating them to WSSM with worlds greatest sword.(The most ridiculous part of your argument) Only weapons don't work on Kaido? Yet according to you; the marines must have exhausted every possible method available to them to execute Kaido and consulted Mihawk to do the job.:yeah: Manga never said anything about Devils Fruits? If this is how you want to play, Then be my guest; The manga made no mention of a sword user failing to cut Kaido either.

It did though, all of the people who tried to execute him with a blade that broke. What you meant was the manga never made mention of a sword user the skill level of Mihawk failing to cut Kaidou.

 

[A v i]

Guy are you still trying? Random characters? It literally said other Yonko, yeah they're real random ass character level huh? The Marines sure are a random group huh?

Try paying more attention to what you read then you may realize that the manga never said that the Yonko not being able to damage him.

It's not my logic it's the authors though that's the funniest thing of it all.

Except that what you've been posting have no correlation with what the author wrote in his manga.

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It literally says in black and white, Yonko and Marines...shattered blades, broken chains and broken spears. The only one misconstruing words is you in order to validate an unfounded belief Mihawk could cut him. Whether he can or not will only be revealed in time but currently you have nothing that actually supports your belief and the manga provides reasoning why your belief is wrong. Take it for what you will I'm done holding your hand through this.

Call me when you have scans of The Yonko Captains or The marine admirals use Chains, Spears and Blades as means to kill/damage someone.

It did though, all of the people who tried to execute him with a blade that broke. What you meant was the manga never made mention of a sword user the skill level of Mihawk failing to cut Kaidou.

Yeah, a blade and a sword aren't always the same thing. So, the fact remains; swords are never a part of Kaido's hype statement just like the devils fruits.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Try paying more attention to what you read then you may realize that the manga never said that the Yonko not being able to damage him.



Except that what you've been posting have no correlation with what the author wrote in his manga.




Call me when you have scans of The Yonko Captains or The marine admirals use Chains, Spears and Blades as means to kill/damage someone.



Yeah, a blade and a sword aren't always the same thing. So, the fact remains; swords are never a part of Kaido's hype statement just like the devils fruits.

It says it right in the manga Yonko, you're gonna sit here and really try and twist it so you can believe the captains never got involved simply because it didn't say "and captains" despite it saying Yonko? What ever helps you sleep at night I guess. Fuji uses a sword, Aokiji used an ice blade. If I really have to post scans of that for you then what are you even doing debating?

 

[A v i]

It says it right in the manga Yonko, you're gonna sit here and really try and twist it so you can believe the captains never got involved simply because it didn't say "and captains" despite it saying Yonko? What ever helps you sleep at night I guess. Fuji uses a sword, Aokiji used an ice blade. If I really have to post scans of that for you then what are you even doing debating?

Do you even understand what you've been writing dude? It is not a matter of whether or not his body can be damaged once it involves a top tier. If the Yonko captains themselves were involved in those executions. What exactly stopped Big Mom from sucking his soul? What stopped Whitebeard "who was superior to him" from killing him? What stopped Aokiji from freezing the guy and scattering him into pieces? Are you trying to tell me they went ahead and used freaking chains and spears instead of attacking him with their own abilities? If anyone is twisting manga, that would be you. Manga merely says that the execution tools didn't work on him and that no one could kill him. And you somehow converted it into the Yonko couldn't cut him and Weapons don't work on him.

 

[LBeezy]

Gol D Roger didn't have unexplained unbreakable skin though, keep that in consideration. Roger's execution took on the first try, we know for a fact Kaidou's didn't, we also know they tried multiple methods(spear chain and blade were mentioned) Ace was a DF user shackled in Seastone he had no defense available.

After the first failed attempt how many more times do you think they'd try the same thing? After awhile you start to look bad. It wouldn't really make much sense for the Marines to ignore this huge force that is Mihawk when they've tried so many time to execute Kaidou, would it? I agree there is a chance he wasn't used but that seems less likely than him having been used to me.

I'll give you the last point, he doesn't have to though I'm sure the situations are very few and far between and situation also dictates reactions from WG, MF was done pretty much everyone stopped so how mad could they really get at Mihawk there? But if they were to ask him to execute a prisoner they've been unable to and he refuses I'm sure he'd be met with harsher reactions than his MF refusal. True we don't know it for a fact but it's a safe assumption given all the time frames we do know, the scar would have had to happen pre Roger's death though for that to be valid, but it is possible.

Gotta give it to you, you came at my point of view the best. Appreciated.

@ all of the bolded... this is very true. And great points.. I can see what you mean, considering the WG absolutely HATES to look bad, I could very well see them doing what you suggest, and trying to get Mihawk to do the job.. it would be something that they'd do for sure.. lol ESPECIALLY if Mihawk held his WSS title at that time! and plus, like you said, its not at all like MF, because they would be personally asking Mihawk only for this request... so if he said "no" it most likely wouldn't end too well.. I definitely give you that.

I guess the only thing I can say is still the fact that I just don't know if Mihawk was even a Shichibukai during the times Kaido was captured..

But since I have no proof I can't try to back it up.. but either way, TBH I'm cool with it going either way.. lol if I found out the WG tried to have Mihawk execute Kaido one time, and Mihawk's previous sword broke, DUDE, that would some epic hyping for Kaido!! lol xd