HashiraMadara
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Well, my friend History will always glorify the hunter until a lion can speak...
Turkey coup
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You didn't provide any link to source of the quotes that can authenticate that particular version nor the name of the people who made this claim.
Wiki had this to say:
And if I go by "other sources " maybe I can make similar claims too. There are a lot of similarities between Indian and Mayan culture:
Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859) who spent fifty years doing research on Ancient America, said:
"It is surprising to find, toward the end of the fifteenth century, in a world that we call "New" the ancient institutions, the religious ideas, the forms of edifices which, in Asia appear to belong to the first dawn of civilization."
Those Indian ships that carried Fahien, the Chinese historian and scholar through stormy China waters could without difficulty proceed all the way to Mexico and other countries. A thousand years before the birth of Columbus Indian ships could carry hundreds of passengers.
Maya-Hindu connection
Dr. B. N. Narahari Achar is a professor of physics at the University of Memphis. He has recently become interested in the ancient astronomies of India and Mesoamerica.
He has observed:
"The Mayan culture flourished in Mesoamerica during the early Christian era, before being completely wiped out by the Spanish conquest. Astronomy played a significant role in Mayan culture. Venus in particular had a preeminent status. Testimony to this rich tradition is borne out by Mayan temple art and the few available Codices, or sacred books, of the Mayans. Western scholars have attempted to relate the Mayan concepts to those of Greek astronomy. The sidereal Mayan astronomy is more akin to the Hindu system and does not easily fit into the Greek model. ....
In 1866, the French architect, Eugene Viollet-le-Duc (1814 - 1879) also noted striking resemblances between ancient Mexican architectural structures and those of South India.
Ephraim George Squier (1821-1888) was United States Charge d'affaires to Central America in 1849 also noted similarities in both major and minor features of Buddhist temples of South India and Mexico they were round and different colors were used on each of the four quarters.
Chicchan according to Mayan history is the serpent mind, the mind that is constantly renewed and regenerated, through a process of shedding what no longer serves us. The physical body itself can be seen as an evolutionary skin periodically released, as one life ends and another begins. It is a body fueled ultimately by a form of solar energy the Maya call kultunlilni. Kultunlilni is the vital life force empowering all human growth and development. This crucial life-force is the same as what is known in Hindu cosmology as the serpent power: kundalini. Kundalini is the great evolutionary force making of each body and its occupant, a potentially powerful source of solar wisdom. Important for us to remember, however, is that this primary, very intimate and very powerful source of wisdom is only accessible to the extent that we are able to hear what our bodies, as carriers of its sacred gift, are actually telling us. Inevitably in this process, we turn to those with whom we feel a strong attraction or affinity. "
(source: Aligning With the Spirit of the Maya Calendar End-Date 2012 - By Dwayne Edward Rourke
However I won't be surprised if the civilizations were in contact in some way.
"It is surprising to find, toward the end of the fifteenth century, in a world that we call "New" the ancient institutions, the religious ideas, the forms of edifices which, in Asia appear to belong to the first dawn of civilization."
Those Indian ships that carried Fahien, the Chinese historian and scholar through stormy China waters could without difficulty proceed all the way to Mexico and other countries. A thousand years before the birth of Columbus Indian ships could carry hundreds of passengers.
Maya-Hindu connection
Dr. B. N. Narahari Achar is a professor of physics at the University of Memphis. He has recently become interested in the ancient astronomies of India and Mesoamerica.
He has observed:
"The Mayan culture flourished in Mesoamerica during the early Christian era, before being completely wiped out by the Spanish conquest. Astronomy played a significant role in Mayan culture. Venus in particular had a preeminent status. Testimony to this rich tradition is borne out by Mayan temple art and the few available Codices, or sacred books, of the Mayans. Western scholars have attempted to relate the Mayan concepts to those of Greek astronomy. The sidereal Mayan astronomy is more akin to the Hindu system and does not easily fit into the Greek model. ....
In 1866, the French architect, Eugene Viollet-le-Duc (1814 - 1879) also noted striking resemblances between ancient Mexican architectural structures and those of South India.
Ephraim George Squier (1821-1888) was United States Charge d'affaires to Central America in 1849 also noted similarities in both major and minor features of Buddhist temples of South India and Mexico they were round and different colors were used on each of the four quarters.
Chicchan according to Mayan history is the serpent mind, the mind that is constantly renewed and regenerated, through a process of shedding what no longer serves us. The physical body itself can be seen as an evolutionary skin periodically released, as one life ends and another begins. It is a body fueled ultimately by a form of solar energy the Maya call kultunlilni. Kultunlilni is the vital life force empowering all human growth and development. This crucial life-force is the same as what is known in Hindu cosmology as the serpent power: kundalini. Kundalini is the great evolutionary force making of each body and its occupant, a potentially powerful source of solar wisdom. Important for us to remember, however, is that this primary, very intimate and very powerful source of wisdom is only accessible to the extent that we are able to hear what our bodies, as carriers of its sacred gift, are actually telling us. Inevitably in this process, we turn to those with whom we feel a strong attraction or affinity. "
(source: Aligning With the Spirit of the Maya Calendar End-Date 2012 - By Dwayne Edward Rourke
However I won't be surprised if the civilizations were in contact in some way.
Some sites go about great seafaring activities of ancient Indians. So which media/ source/Scientist/Anthropologist you are going to believe?
How about we just go back to the topic?
No it doesn't. You are ill informed and living in fantasy land to make wild assumptions about other people and countries. That Tupac song doesn't have a universal appeal.
Also do not spam the thread with random posts nor double post.
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plenty of colors
me criticizing people that are believing that the 9/11 was made by terrorists doesn't mean that I, ME, MYSELF believe that it was not.
I don't believe it was made by terrorists, I don't believe it was made by the gov, I don't have a pov on the matter because I don't have good info on the matter. I'm sceptical.
do you understand ?
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I was not around for a day (wow what happened to thos thread) and it seems like the question of who is behind the coup is getting bleak. Either way, the people who organized coup were Gulenists (formers religious friends of Erdogan) and Erdogan is using this as leverage to obtain more power.
Nah, i m not happy either way. Gulen and Erdogan, when they were side by side were hallowing military from secular and Kemalist soldiers because of their fear of coup. Now, the people they placed in military together tried something, possibly with others and failed. I believe Erdogan had knowledge at certain level before things escalated, not a mastermind but possibly the baiter.
Honestly, this is what i believe for now. May change tomorrow because Turkish citizens wrote & read so much conspiracy about this History Channel might make a "ALIENSSS" themed Turkey coup 2k16 documentary in future.
Did a bit of googling. So in a way, this comes down to Erdogank removing his rivals. The Gulenist movement was apparently a liberal Islamic movement.
Lol, Gulenk and Erdogank were basically buds until a corruption scandal happened. Yeah, they are seperating military from those ideologies like you said. I think it is eveident since only small factions participated in the coup. Probably not, but Erdogank was quite a smartass for what he did.
Loooool Next thing you know, those F-16 jets will be known as the UFOs.
I definitely hope there are still people that are Ataturk-minded. From what you are saying, Turkey was screwed either way. Right now, Erdogank is scapegoating his opposition. This will be interesting since he is trying to make Turkey an EU member. I am not Turkish, so I am only basing on current information with grain of salt.
I just wanted to hear from your perspective since you happened to live in Turkey. For me, I just hope Turkey stays as a secular state and nothing terrible happens to the detained.
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Can someone explain to me how Erdogan is an Islamist, and tell me what an Islamist means to them? I'm ignorant with Turkey's politics.
which part don't you get about "I don't have a ****ing point of view on the matter because I have no infos"
I'm NEUTRAl, neutral do you know the meaning of the ****ing word ?
I take no SIDES on the matter I'm NEUTRAALlll !!!
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That's the difference between me and you...
Clearly you never heard of "exhaustion appeal"
Ill informed? Have you ever seen me making a headline thread? Did I even make a post of this 21st century Turkey? No, because I dig through history before posting about something. My knowledge of Turkey ends 1500 years ago, I no off nothing of the current turkey, that's why I haven't made an opinion nor question of the current affairs in Turkey. Meanwhile you live by wiki and headlines. We can never be the same. You're a drop in the ocean young lady. Your opinion of a place gradually change with each headline, a true media experiment
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Yeah that I tell a source. You copy paste from a source you don't even dare to link.
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That's what you posted- "Most archaeologists, anthropologists, ethnohistorians, linguists, and other modern pre New World." Really? Who are these many " experts"? Not even a single name is cited to check their authenticity.
Even your sources says it needs citation and they don't know who they are. That means your source are no more valid that a wiki. ( I wonder if it's the Wiki page after all). Whom are you trying to bluff Mr. Hypocrite? This is how you claim to have authority while having none- by using jargon.
And then you go again making wishful assumptions of what I know and what I don't and how I live my life. How long you are going to fantasize about it?
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He isn't an Islamist, he's secular. Yes, he acts as one who is really concerned with Islam but I think it's just a captatio benevolentiae. Which is normal in a nation where the most of the people are Muslim.
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All these while I only heard a good thing about erdogan. Did I misread that or what lol? I'm very surprised with info on this thread. I think first time I heard people talking bad about him is from this thread. Not from Turkey but from what I heard he is one of the greatest leader.
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You really taking a stance on a real life event from an online forum , where about 80% of members are young and clueless in what they are going on about?
Haha, thats why i gave up on the internet a while ago . Dont trust nothing on the net, go and research for yourself from authentic sources in the real physical world
Peace out bruv.
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You really taking a stance on a real life event from an online forum , where about 80% of members are young and clueless in what they are going on about?
Haha, thats why i gave up on the internet a while ago . Dont trust nothing on the net, go and research for yourself from authentic sources in the real physical world
Peace out bruv.
That's why i said first time I heard it here. :snick:
No actually, he is actively turning the country in a mass of wreckage along with his government.
-Our foreign relations is horrible, we had better reputation during straining times like Cyprus conflict or WW2. Country is losing allyship with Western block while driving Eastern block away with Russian plane scandal and support of ISIS and heating the war in Syria.
-Economy is going downhill aswell, our tourism sector bombed this summer with little to no visitors, while this country was preferred by tourists all over the world. Not to mention most of the money for economy relies in "hot money" came by privitazing country's major and valuable companies-to his allies and foreigners.
-Corruption; the tape scandals in 2k14 tell it all. The speeches in those tapes by high rank politicians, including Erdogan himself expose how much money grubbing they did. Those tapes also reveal Davutoglu (former minister of foreign relation, brought to be PM then allegadely forced to resign by president) having intention to spark conflict in Syria and Erdogan speaking to a journalist and making him write news for himself.
-Education, many highchools been turning into Islamic highschool. These highschools are becoming so wide spreads many children have to go them for not having much options in closer districts. More than 1million students are getting raised in these places, away from reasons of science. And our qualified universities which used to get ranked in top 500 worldwide are getting lower.
-Coup; the people who attempted the coop are Gulenists are another Islamist group which were very close to current government, until their seperation about 2 years ago. They put each others' men in high ranks in many places-including military.
-Human rights; his Islamic tendencies push Alevi, Christian, Jewish, non-believer citizens away and increase the pressure on them. Minority ethnic groups like Armenians, Kurds are not gaining more, in fact operations in south east caused huge conflicts in their lives. LGBT parade got cancelled for no legitemate reasons. Murder towards women increased 1400%, he directly said men and women are not equals, rapists and abusers are getting away with short term punishments most often.
-Journalism, several journalists got punishment for daring to critisize him, these punishments include prison sentence.
-Many sites are getting constructed despite an abundance of them being against city development plans, at green areas for public, at places damage the city silhouette or at the risk of natural disasters like flood or earthquake. These constructions also tie with corruption.
-We had over 10 terrorist attacks in last 1year, these were from ISIS and PKK, the complete opposites but we are both of their enemies. We as in regular people. I can not say much about this because my heart clenches when i think of all these attacks on hundreds of fellow citizens.
Like, these are only a part of whole deal. Jusging by your usage of insult that is "khala", i assume you are yet another narrow minded Sunni Arab who insert himself in shallow wet Islamic Turkey fantasies. Also you love Erdogan, for the virtue of being Islamic enough for mindless Islamists. Afterall what matters more than a religion right? Where are politics and human rights? Economy? Good foreign relations??? We got alhamdullillah subhanallal bismillah and all those words coming out yayyyyy.
Well read this closely you gerizekalı, you are just another vallah bro with no regardes to a basic humanity. All the need for your type is someone who spouts enough Islamic stuff to satisfy your Islamism.
Erdogan is NOT suppose to be an Islamic leader. He is the president of a constitutionally secular country and should be judged for that position.
Islamists means a radical and intolerant person who believes in religion of Islam. They put religion ahead of anything, atleast publicly and be violent about it.
This is an example for his Islamism:
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Also you can read my above reply to that salafi goon.
He is not a secular person...please stop man i tend to like you. We had presidents before and nation was still mostly Muslim.
He is not like pretending for appeal, that is like saying Thomas Jefferson was pretending for appeal of a mostly white country... Either way there is oppression and persecution getting applied.
Merhaba clueless turd; i am from Türkiye.You really taking a stance on a real life event from an online forum , where about 80% of members are young and clueless in what they are going on about?
Haha, thats why i gave up on the internet a while ago . Dont trust nothing on the net, go and research for yourself from authentic sources in the real physical world
Peace out bruv.
You don't know shit, you ain't shit, you have no place to lecture people in shit.
Go to pimp that is Saudi King if you love Islamic leaders maybe he finds you a fine job. I am sure you will get somewhere due to your ass licking skills and display of spouting mindless politics. Maybe you combine both.
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Addition; i am not feeling fine (predictably) so i may have made some grammar mistakes.
Goodnight (except for islamists).
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Wait, so the Coup was by Gulenists? I thought it was in the name of secularism or something.