Why i believe Itachi was greater then Minato

[griems]

All I'm really reading is "Hi I'm an Itachi fan and today I'm comparing him to a dead guy who's been long dead and not much information has been confirmed from. but don't let this lack of info or facts distract you from the fact that Itachi is my favourite and everyone should love him like I do!"

Enough with the comparing! Itachi didn't HAVE to kill the Uchiha, doing so anyway made him a worse person then Minato, and one of the most selfish characters in the verse, like Sasuke's life has any more value then the rest of his clan.

 

[NarutoUzumakiMinato]

Itachi is awesome....but he had years and years to think and plan out
his actions and what would result from that....that being said Minato only
had seconds to think about what should be done next....

Minato had to protect kushina & Naruto, seal away the kyuubi's attack, fight Madara, then seal the kyuubi inside his own son, and among all that...trying
to protect his entire village

You say Minato didnt try to break the "hatred cycle"....he was the Hokage
i dont think he would of had time to go out on a Finding-oneself mission
like the J-man did....his job was to protect his village and that sometimes
entitles him to kill some folk...im only guessing but i think being hokage is
sort of a stressful job.....Itachi and the J-man lived cushy lives compared
to Minato

If you were going to compare Itachi against somebody it should of been
the J-man...because he actually had the time and opportunity to try to break the "hatred cycle"

 

[ReLax -]

dude im a fan of itachi but u cant compare these 2 i mean theres a huge age gap and u can say generation gap between them.

heres a history for you

Minato:

- youngest ever hokage
- known as yellow flash (fast), a genius and the best hokage
- the one who created resengan
- had the space/time jutsu
- during the war in the kakashi/obito/rin ep. the one village scared looking jounin stated that elders in his village said if they saw the yellowflash to ran
- defeated tobi/madara and the kyuubi in the same day to protect the village but costed him his own life
- used the jutsu to seal himself, kyuubi and kushina into naruto
- minato's goal to stop tobi/madara and kyuubi the rest was left wit his son

basically minato suceeded wit his goal


Itachi:

- know to have gotten sharingan and mastered it at a young age
- joined anbu and became captain at a young age
- was a genius
- loved his borther and the village alot
- known to have joined hands wit tobi/madara and danzou to elimante the uchihas
- joined the akatsukis to keep a watch on them and defeated deidara in less then a min also defeated Oro
- was protecting naruto (nine tails) from akatsuki (him and kisame were suppose to catch him and they had there chance but itachi purposely never did anything)
- itachi gave gift to naruto and said he hopes that naruto may not have to use this
- battled lil bro sasuke and purposely lost giving him power and hoping he would retun to village as a hero
- failed to kill madara and protect his bro from him
- itachi biggest goal was for sasuke to be really strong and return to konoho as a hero but sasuke is strong now is working wit madara to destroy konoho and is in the path of hatred and revenge

dispite itachi being smart and all he failed to protect his brother and make him go on the right path

 

[minato4th]

dude im a fan of itachi but u cant compare these 2 i mean theres a huge age gap and u can say generation gap between them.

heres a history for you

Minato:

- youngest ever hokage
- known as yellow flash (fast), a genius and the best hokage
- the one who created resengan
- had the space/time jutsu
- during the war in the kakashi/obito/rin ep. the one village scared looking jounin stated that elders in his village said if they saw the yellowflash to ran
- defeated tobi/madara and the kyuubi in the same day to protect the village but costed him his own life
- used the jutsu to seal himself, kyuubi and kushina into naruto
- minato's goal to stop tobi/madara and kyuubi the rest was left wit his son

basically minato suceeded wit his goal


Itachi:

- know to have gotten sharingan and mastered it at a young age
- joined anbu and became captain at a young age
- was a genius
- loved his borther and the village alot
- known to have joined hands wit tobi/madara and danzou to elimante the uchihas
- joined the akatsukis to keep a watch on them and defeated deidara in less then a min also defeated Oro
- was protecting naruto (nine tails) from akatsuki (him and kisame were suppose to catch him and they had there chance but itachi purposely never did anything)
- itachi gave gift to naruto and said he hopes that naruto may not have to use this
- battled lil bro sasuke and purposely lost giving him power and hoping he would retun to village as a hero
- failed to kill madara and protect his bro from him
- itachi biggest goal was for sasuke to be really strong and return to konoho as a hero but sasuke is strong now is working wit madara to destroy konoho and is in the path of hatred and revenge

dispite itachi being smart and all he failed to protect his brother and make him go on the right path

i agree

 

[Missing Uchiha]

No minato is a greater ninja he was a geinus he saved the village and fought madara at the same time

 

[Deidara Akatsuki]

dude im a fan of itachi but u cant compare these 2 i mean theres a huge age gap and u can say generation gap between them.

heres a history for you

Minato:

- youngest ever hokage
- known as yellow flash (fast), a genius and the best hokage
- the one who created resengan
- had the space/time jutsu
- during the war in the kakashi/obito/rin ep. the one village scared looking jounin stated that elders in his village said if they saw the yellowflash to ran
- defeated tobi/madara and the kyuubi in the same day to protect the village but costed him his own life
- used the jutsu to seal himself, kyuubi and kushina into naruto
- minato's goal to stop tobi/madara and kyuubi the rest was left wit his son

basically minato suceeded wit his goal


Itachi:

- know to have gotten sharingan and mastered it at a young age
- joined anbu and became captain at a young age
- was a genius
- loved his borther and the village alot
- known to have joined hands wit tobi/madara and danzou to elimante the uchihas
- joined the akatsukis to keep a watch on them and defeated deidara in less then a min also defeated Oro
- was protecting naruto (nine tails) from akatsuki (him and kisame were suppose to catch him and they had there chance but itachi purposely never did anything)
- itachi gave gift to naruto and said he hopes that naruto may not have to use this
- battled lil bro sasuke and purposely lost giving him power and hoping he would retun to village as a hero
- failed to kill madara and protect his bro from him
- itachi biggest goal was for sasuke to be really strong and return to konoho as a hero but sasuke is strong now is working wit madara to destroy konoho and is in the path of hatred and revenge

dispite itachi being smart and all he failed to protect his brother and make him go on the right path

Okay, i did mention at the start of the thread that i wasnt considering strength and or / who would win minato itachi, i was simply comparing wits, wills and character of each character.

Okay, Itachi planned everything perfectly, However, just after the sas/ita battle, madara said itachi never failed to amaze him, and if it wasnt for madara keeping the secrets from itachi 'that he did' madara would have been killed. Madara said this this to Sasuke.

Itachi also if you like hinted to sasuke that madara is bad when he told him he is a shell of his formerself. Itachi said this to sasuke.
So what im getting at. Itachi lituraly has done everything he could to prevent Sasuke going on his hatred cycle. And so did naruto, If naruto would have beat sasuke at the valley of the end it woulda have been a different story. So Itachi isnt just to blame. He was outsmarted by the cleverest genious who ever lived and who fooled everyone....Madara, So on the mere chance madara not keeping his secret from itachi, Sasukes hatred would have been quashed and none of this would be happening right now.

Okay, back to reality, Itachi's gift may yet turn out to be crucial and for some reason, im 99% sure in my gut, know that madara didnt know he gave Naruto this gift and niether did sasuke.

Come to think of it, what would Sasuke do if he found out Itachi gave Naruto a gift to stop him?

 

[Kaziname]

My Overall reason is simple For why I believe Itachi to be a greater Ninja then Minato.

But a bit about the history..

Minato - Genious, hailed as Konoha's yellow Flash. Youngest Ever Hokage.
Had the will of Fire possibly the most out of all the Ninja's Thus far.

Was a good guy start to finish. Incredible fighter and tactician. Selfless and strong

Itachi - Genious, graduated into Anbu at a very early age and was known as one of the most feared Ninjas.

Itachi is the only person current, apart from Madara who would have been able to match Minato in a fight as he is extreamly cunning and wise.


Now, the story has portrayed Minato as a goody from Day One.
Only recently it has come to light that Itachi was a goody that he planned his own death to save Sasuke.

Now, i believe in terms of intellegence, forsight and pure deep love Itachi is beyond Minato.

Minato Did Not forsee the Sasuke Naruto Rivalry developing nor was he able to give Naruto the answer he was looking for. He could only believe in him.

I believe Jiraiya was a greater role model for Naruto to live up to, For the simple fact that he was NOT hokage, yet he strived all his life to find a way for ninja's to live in a world full of peace without Violence. Minato accepted that this could NOT happen as he said that ' as long as ninjas exist, the cycle of hatred will continue'

So here we see, Minato surrenduring defeat to the Hatred that will always be there .

Itachi Literally made the hardest decision that a ninja would ever even dream of making. Living a life of hatred after killing his clan family and spawning the most painful of memories for his brother to live with..

He did all this, so his brother could live.

Now, Minato would have probably done the same, thing But here is where Itachi's Intellegence comes in,

He triggered a trap for madara with amaterasu

He Put his last ace card in Naruto, which is a very humble and noble thing to do as its like saying, ' I cannot save my brother even though he is my responsibility, You do it' This must have been Itachi's most dificult decision as he has the foresight to see that naruto is the only one who can save sasuke not himself.


This is why i believe Itachi to be greater then Minato.

( Note, this topic is based purely on intelegence and wisdom im not comparing who is stronger, only who is greater.

Discuss

I haven't even read the whole thread and I can tell you that you are full of sh*t. I stopped reading from this part: "Minato Did Not forsee the Sasuke Naruto Rivalry developing nor was he able to give Naruto the answer he was looking for." How can he forsee rivalry when naruto and sasuke where babies ffs? How can he give Naruto the answer while he was dead (if it is about that in Pain arc it is only obvious that he can't give him the answer because every person has their own point of view on world.) How comes that Itachi is greater when he gave EMS to sasuke (who is complete dumbass to begin with) and sasuke starts to pwn each and every person he finds (except naruto, that is, as naruto is stronger that him...). I won't write anymore because I am feeling dumber each time I think on your facts...

 

[minato4th]

the latest chapter begs the differ

 

[yondaimeminato]

Is this why you think itachi is greater than minato?

wow dude, just wow

 

[dropdabass]

There is not much of a point comparing those 2, they have been both geniuses and did what they could to protect what they loved ...
To the guy saying Itachi never faced a real challenge , he owned Orochimaru , Deidara in a matter of seconds
To the guy saying that he didnt have to kill his clan , the 3d tried to talk things out and failed , Itachi prevented an all out ninja world war
To the guy saying he failed , Itachi took a great risk knowing that his brother at the end would have to pick sides
To the guy saying the hokages life is stressfull, it is man but saying that Itachi had it easy is a joke ...

 

[Akаsh]

actually Jirayia was Chosen to be the Hokage by the elders but he declined O.O

 

[Deidara Akatsuki]

There is not much of a point comparing those 2, they have been both geniuses and did what they could to protect what they loved ...
To the guy saying Itachi never faced a real challenge , he owned Orochimaru , Deidara in a matter of seconds
To the guy saying that he didnt have to kill his clan , the 3d tried to talk things out and failed , Itachi prevented an all out ninja world war
To the guy saying he failed , Itachi took a great risk knowing that his brother at the end would have to pick sides
To the guy saying the hokages life is stressfull, it is man but saying that Itachi had it easy is a joke ...

Agreed completely.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

All I'm really reading is "Hi I'm an Itachi fan and today I'm comparing him to a dead guy who's been long dead and not much information has been confirmed from. but don't let this lack of info or facts distract you from the fact that Itachi is my favourite and everyone should love him like I do!"

Enough with the comparing! Itachi didn't HAVE to kill the Uchiha, doing so anyway made him a worse person then Minato, and one of the most selfish characters in the verse, like Sasuke's life has any more value then the rest of his clan.

Minato didn't have to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox in Naruto, doing so anyway made him a worse person than Itachi. Do you even listen to yourself? What would have happened if Itachi did not kill his clan, and Minato would not have sealed the fox inside Naruto? Disaster would have exploded otherwise, but both tried to prevent it from resurfacing by placing their trust into the ones they loved, hoping they would be able to put an end to all this chaos.

You tell him he is biased towards Itachi, well I can clearly see you have a bias towards Minato as well; so don't attack him for something you are doing as well. Itachi did everything he could to stop Sasuke from turning to Madara, but he was unsuccessful. Minato did everything he could to give Naruto a normal childhood, but he was unsuccessful. As far as I'm concerned, both have their list of failures. Itachi failed to kill Madara, and Minato failed to kill Madara. There are more, but this is just to give people an idea that these two figures were nowhere near having their expectations fulfilled.

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These are all things that Minato and Itachi attempted to do or wanted to happen, but unfortunately it didn't. I'm not going to say who is "greater," but it should be to clear to everyone that both failed at points in their life, and now hope that the ones surpassing them will be able to correct their previous mistakes.

 

[JMAN]

Minato didn't have to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox in Naruto, doing so anyway made him a worse person than Itachi. Do you even listen to yourself? What would have happened if Itachi did not kill his clan, and Minato would not have sealed the fox inside Naruto? Disaster would have exploded otherwise, but both tried to prevent it from resurfacing by placing their trust into the ones they loved, hoping they would be able to put an end to all this chaos.

You tell him he is biased towards Itachi, well I can clearly see you have a bias towards Minato as well; so don't attack him for something you are doing as well. Itachi did everything he could to stop Sasuke from turning to Madara, but he was unsuccessful. Minato did everything he could to give Naruto a normal childhood, but he was unsuccessful. As far as I'm concerned, both have their list of failures. Itachi failed to kill Madara, and Minato failed to kill Madara. There are more, but this is just to give people an idea that these two figures were nowhere near having their expectations fulfilled.

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These are all things that Minato and Itachi attempted to do or wanted to happen, but unfortunately it didn't. I'm not going to say who is "greater," but it should be to clear to everyone that both failed at points in their life, and now hope that the ones surpassing them will be able to correct their previous mistakes.

I don't want to argue with you Minato hater !!

 

[minatoisagod]

Their my fave characters i won't pick it wouldnt be fair for me.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

I don't want to argue with you Minato hater !!

Clearly you didn't read my post. I was making a list of both Minato and Itachi's failures. If you want to believe that Minato is an angel descended from heaven, who could do absolutely nothing wrong, so be it. You blame me for supporting Madara's character more than Minato's, yet you are much more fanatic about Minato than I Madara. Have you ever seen me call you a "Madara hater?"

Just for the record, if I support one character over the other, does that mean I hate the other? I don't "hate" any character in Naruto, though I might have preference for some, as you do. As I have always stated, Minato is an incredible ninja, but does that mean I have to worship him? I've had this title thrown at me so many times, that I am anti-Minato and hate his entire character, yet for some reason Minato fans tend to forget that they do the same for Madara. I don't really want to have this discussion all over again, so if possible, let's just end it. Thanks.

 

[oFuiinJutsuu]

Omg dude ! Best thread ever "Thumbs up " !

 

[Perkele311]

This is like comparing Apples to Bricks. You really can't judge who is greater. I mean what type of scale are you talking about. If it can't be measured its only a opinion. Minato was great. Itachi was great too.. Unless there are different levels of greatness that I am not aware of. The two choices that they each had to make were considered almost impossible. But they did it and I am sure Minato will die with a smile like Itachi. I don't always think power=greatness. Because Madara is pretty powerful but he's not great. Also I have never seen Itachi go all out so its way harder to guess even.. I wish they would show a gaiden or something to see some of his fights. Because Itachi always went easy on Kakashi and the other Leaf nins when he would come and fight. He never went all out MS. Like Kakashi mentioned he was using mostly defensive techniques.

 

[JMAN]

Clearly you didn't read my post. I was making a list of both Minato and Itachi's failures. If you want to believe that Minato is an angel descended from heaven, who could do absolutely nothing wrong, so be it. You blame me for supporting Madara's character more than Minato's, yet you are much more fanatic about Minato than I Madara. Have you ever seen me call you a "Madara hater?"

Just for the record, if I support one character over the other, does that mean I hate the other? I don't "hate" any character in Naruto, though I might have preference for some, as you do. As I have always stated, Minato is an incredible ninja, but does that mean I have to worship him? I've had this title thrown at me so many times, that I am anti-Minato and hate his entire character, yet for some reason Minato fans tend to forget that they do the same for Madara. I don't really want to have this discussion all over again, so if possible, let's just end it. Thanks.

Yeah thats better i dont want to wast my time !! And I respect madara alot alright ? Don't say things when you don't know please . But i just say that minato stronger than him , if you compare madara to kakashi(i love this guy) i'll say madara would win
Ciao my friend ( On this thread)

 

[griems]

Everything this guy said.

First of all, Minato DID have to seal the Kyuubi away since it was his responsability towards the village, you know being Hokage and everything - a Hokage can't afford to put his personal feelings above the village, it goes against the principle of being Hokage. Yeah MAYBE there was another way but you name me one that doesn't involve at least him or Kushina dying - a realistic one preferably.

Secondly, if Itachi simply did not murder his entire clan, Sasuke would've grown up normally - sure the Uchiha were planning something but who knows what would've happened. He didn't do everything he could to keep Sasuke away from Madara, he did the exact opposite. Sasuke never needed the MS, he never had to live his life in the persuit of vengeance. If Sasuke had kept his family and the people he loved - they would be there to protect him and he maybe he would've even become a proper Konoha shinobi, afterall he IS a genius as they say. Whole Uchiha clan against Madara is a safer bet then murdering them all except your little baby brother and sending him into a life of snake rape and utter useless vengeance.

And on the point of not murdering the Uchiha, the third Hokage maybe didn't even have to die with the Uchiha clan around when Orochimaru decided to invade.

Im just saying...