I brought up the Sabo diff. because it sounded like you were implying Sabo's fight should be around Luffy's fight on a diff. scale.
As for Sabo attacking, the manga only showed 2 attacks before the off paneling so it's left to us to fill in the off screen events. You've seemingly filled that with more fighting but who's to say how long it took Burgess to get up after each hit. In fact it seems like you are adding scenes. The first hit pushed him back when he attacked Luffy,
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the second attack sent him flying halfway across the town,
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The second attack comes after Burgess throws one of his only 2 attacks the entire shown fight and shows him sent flying, then they're gone.
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The next time we see them and the logical result of the 2nd attack, Sabo is standing un-tired and unharmed over a beaten and defeated Burgess. With that we have no reason to think other than that's where Burgess landed from the 2nd attack.
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When we do come back to them Burgess gets one more half an attack in and Sabo wrecks him with the 3rd shown hit of the fight.
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So to recap Burgess never landed a single hit, the only damage Sabo received was from the arena that's why there's scuff marks prior to the fight starting, we were only shown 3 hits from Sabo, Burgess was never shown to be putting up any resistance only taking hits. It's your interpretation of the off panel time that says Sabo was constantly beating Burgess to try and get him to stay down when the pictures imply the opposite.
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During Luffy's fight with Doffy there was a panel of Sabo charging forward with an intense look on his face. That implies that during the off-panel fight, Sabo was charging at Burgess and continuously attacking him. I'll find it when I get on laptop. Also lol at you saying that last move was "half an attack." Yeah, sure it was.
During Luffy's fight with Doffy there was a panel of Sabo charging forward with an intense look on his face. That implies that during the off-panel fight, Sabo was charging at Burgess and continuously attacking him. I'll find it when I get on laptop. Also lol at you saying that last move was "half an attack." Yeah, sure it was.
What was it then? Burgess went to stab him and never made contact that's a half an attack. Burgess threw a total of 1 1/2 attacks shown in that fight. I showed you all the panels from the fight it starts at 786 and then shows Sabo finishing Burgess in 792. But please do continue to argue the images in the manga.
What was it then? Burgess went to stab him and never made contact that's a half an attack. Burgess threw a total of 1 1/2 attacks shown in that fight. I showed you all the panels from the fight it starts at 786 and then shows Sabo finishing Burgess in 792. But please do continue to argue the images in the manga.
It wasn't quite what I remembered, but here we see Sabo and Burgess evenly clashing with each other. Later on, we see Sabo holding his pipe towards a beaten down Burgess. Now, unless you think Sabo beat Burgess shortly after that and decided to stand there the rest of the time holding his pipe towards him in a cool pose for no viable reason, then yeah, it's pretty obvious they had a fight off-panel.
Again your logic skills = 0. Marco was shown healing once, you put a "always". 2ndly Akainu blasted through Marco and left him with bloody nose and tired, something he didn't recover from. What's stopping Sabo from pushing him to those limits? :|
That's cute, my logic=0 when I've already proven you wrong and made you recant about Shanks and the DF in that other thread. Are you still upset you took a jokey thread about the Kazekages too literally? Anyway.
Why do you think they cuffed him in seastone during the battle? Because they couldn't push him to a point where his regen abilities would be completely over powered. Also I'm not clear on the exact order of events without refreshing, did Akainu do that damage after he had been cuffed and shot by Kizaru, before or after Marco had got his cuffs back off? Also you're implying Sabo is as strong as Akainu was at MF and despite how much I like Sabo I just don't think that's true when it seemed to be implied in the manga that Sabo wouldn't have won against Fuji(He would have put up a good fight I believe but I doubt he'd have won).
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Can heal along with his flames. I don't know what that means to you but I read it as, as long as his flames are lit he can heal from any attack.
So he only kicks? So does Sanji are you saying he has no chance to be a top competitor? Also he has some strength to him.
It wasn't quite what I remembered, but here we see Sabo and Burgess evenly clashing with each other. Later on, we see Sabo holding his pipe towards a beaten down Burgess. Now, unless you think Sabo beat Burgess shortly after that and decided to stand there the rest of the time holding his pipe towards him in a cool pose for no viable reason, then yeah, it's pretty obvious they had a fight off-panel.
You didn't post anything, guy. Also as I said in my first post, who's to say how long it took Burgess to get up after each attack and how many attacks happened in the off panel moments. What we see from the manga is a Sabo beating Burgess every time after the Colosseum.
You didn't post anything, guy. Also as I said in my first post, who's to say how long it took Burgess to get up after each attack and how many attacks happened in the off panel moments. What we see from the manga is a Sabo beating Burgess every time after the Colosseum.
It doesn't really matter how long it took him to get up, the fact is, he got up. Sabo didn't put him down until after Doflamingo was defeated, meaning that Burgess lasted against Sabo's attacks for that amount of time. I didn't say Sabo didn't beat him, either.
It doesn't really matter how long it took him to get up, the fact is, he got up. Sabo didn't put him down until after Doflamingo was defeated, meaning that Burgess lasted against Sabo's attacks for that amount of time. I didn't say Sabo didn't beat him, either.
No it does matter how long it took him to get up because you're implying there was this great effort put in by Sabo when nothing shows that. He wasn't out of breath at the end of the fight, Burgess was never shown to land a single hit, it was minimal effort on Sabo's part. If it took him five minutes to get up each time(and "realistically" it would take longer with each successive hit) then in that 50 minutes Sabo would have only thrown 10 hits which isn't any effort at all. If on the other hand Burgess got up within seconds of each attack then Sabo would have to put in more effort and constantly attack as you're implying the fight went off panel.
He may not have put Burgess down until after Doffy was beat(even though it looks more like a simultaneous finish really) but he started fighting him way after the Luffy/Doffy fight started. He started fighting Burgess after Luffy's first G4 so what's your point? You're saying that as if it took him the same amount of time to beat Burgess that it took Luffy to beat Doffy.
That's cute, my logic=0 when I've already proven you wrong and made you recant about Shanks and the DF in that other thread. Are you still upset you took a jokey thread about the Kazekages too literally? Anyway.
Nah fam I am not into that, the Kazakage thing twisted my brain, I couldn't bring my self to apply "always" on just 2 instances...
Why do you think they cuffed him in seastone during the battle? Because they couldn't push him to a point where his regen abilities would be completely over powered. Also I'm not clear on the exact order of events without refreshing, did Akainu do that damage after he had been cuffed and shot by Kizaru, before or after Marco had got his cuffs back off? Also you're implying Sabo is as strong as Akainu was at MF and despite how much I like Sabo I just don't think that's true when it seemed to be implied in the manga that Sabo wouldn't have won against Fuji(He would have put up a good fight I believe but I doubt he'd have won).
I need a scan where it was implied "sabo would have lost VS Ishho"
2ndly, Marco was heavily drained during that fight and was blasted out of the way with ease by Akainu an Admiral. Left with a bloody noise.
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Can heal along with his flames. I don't know what that means to you but I read it as, as long as his flames are lit he can heal from any attack.
I said kicks as in "casual kick" Sanji has stuff like "Diable Jambe", "Crane pots kicks" etc. stuff that need preparation to be OP. Meanwhile Marco was just using a simple scissor kick with no name nor preparation ...
Nah fam I am not into that, the Kazakage thing twisted my brain, I couldn't bring my self to apply "always" on just 2 instances...
I need a scan where it was implied "sabo would have lost VS Ishho"
2ndly, Marco was heavily drained during that fight and was blasted out of the way with ease by Akainu an Admiral. Left with a bloody noise.
I saw him heal from flames once, so with my logic I can't conclude on this ability being = infinite times.
I said kicks as in "casual kick" Sanji has stuff like "Diable Jambe", "Crane pots kicks" etc. stuff that need preparation to be OP. Meanwhile Marco was just using a simple scissor kick with no name nor preparation ...
You realize names don't mean shit, right? Whitebeard didn't name a single one of his attacks at Marineford. Whether or not you yell a name while performing a kick doesn't matter, what matters is the effort you put into a kick. Marco can kick someone and say absolutely nothing and the kick can just as strong as Sanji's Diable Jambe.
Nah fam I am not into that, the Kazakage thing twisted my brain, I couldn't bring my self to apply "always" on just 2 instances...
I need a scan where it was implied "sabo would have lost VS Ishho"
2ndly, Marco was heavily drained during that fight and was blasted out of the way with ease by Akainu an Admiral. Left with a bloody noise.
I saw him heal from flames once, so with my logic I can't conclude on this ability being = infinite times.
I said kicks as in "casual kick" Sanji has stuff like "Diable Jambe", "Crane pots kicks" etc. stuff that need preparation to be OP. Meanwhile Marco was just using a simple scissor kick with no name nor preparation ...
You realize names don't mean shit, right? Whitebeard didn't name a single one of his attacks at Marineford. Whether or not you yell a name while performing a kick doesn't matter, what matters is the effort you put into a kick.
Whitebeard was doing preparation :sdo: as I said in one piece an attack to be OP seems to need 1 of 2 things: Preparation or "A name".
Whitebeard would prepare an attack by first coating it with quake and then scream before fodderising someone :sdo: Good example is Vego, he never said shit vs Sanji yet he nearly cracked his leg: He fully prepared a badass Haki in which he mentioned it was OP.
Marco can kick someone and say absolutely nothing and the kick can just as strong as Sanji's Diable Jambe.
Whitebeard was doing preparation :sdo: as I said in one piece an attack to be OP seems to need 1 of 2 things: Preparation or "A name".
Whitebeard would prepare an attack by first coating it with quake and then scream before fodderising someone :sdo: Good example is Vego, he never said shit vs Sanji yet he nearly cracked his leg: He fully prepared a badass Haki in which he mentioned it was OP.
It's not assumption, it's a fact. If Marco doesn't name the kick, it won't be a strong as a named attack from Sanji? That makes sense to you? That there is 100% no way that Marco can match Sanji's kick unless he calls it something?
It's not assumption, it's a fact. If Marco doesn't name the kick, it won't be a strong as a named attack from Sanji? That makes sense to you? That there is 100% no way that Marco can match Sanji's kick unless he calls it something?
Nah fam, I am saying Assumption = there is no scan in which a Marco kick was rumoured or shown to have a power >>> than Sanjis. I deal with scans, please don't turn into a Sensei Sama
That's not an accurate counter though because both were injured in the process while here Fuji shows no signs of damage done by Sabo. Had Sabo landed a hit or was shown to have done damage I'd say you have a point but Fuji was being casual and still pushed him that alone implies had Fuji been all out the whole time he'd beat Sabo. Luffy also wasn't the only one fighting that fight the whole time whereas Sabo was. Luffy would have died in that fight had it been 1v1.
Nah fam, I am saying Assumption = there is no scan in which a Marco kick was rumoured or shown to have a power >>> than Sanjis. I deal with scans, please don't turn into a Sensei Sama
That kick he hit Kizaru with is as strong or stronger than an attack we've seen from Sanji. Show me a Sanji kick that caused an explosion that size or that could throw an Admiral back that far.
That's not an accurate counter though because both were injured in the process while here Fuji shows no signs of damage done by Sabo. Had Sabo landed a hit or was shown to have done damage I'd say you have a point but Fuji was being casual and still pushed him that alone implies had Fuji been all out the whole time he'd beat Sabo. Luffy also wasn't the only one fighting that fight the whole time whereas Sabo was. Luffy would have died in that fight had it been 1v1.
Don't get me wrong, I do believe Issho > Sabo. But I am removing the assumptions of Marco = Admiral just because he Kicked a Kizaru and unsuspecting Kuzan once...
Don't get me wrong, I do believe Issho > Sabo. But I am removing the assumptions of Marco = Admiral just because he Kicked a Kizaru and unsuspecting Kuzan once...
I wouldn't say Marco=Admiral since he was able to compete with Admirals but in the end I don't think he has the strength to put them down but I'd say Marco is closer to Admiral level than Sabo. Would you agree or disagree on that?
That kick he hit Kizaru with is as strong or stronger than an attack we've seen from Sanji. Show me a Sanji kick that caused an explosion that size or that could throw an Admiral back that far.
Just because the new Sanji has not clashed with an admiral or even met one we should assume that Kick was OP??? You seem to forget that Borsalino is a logia, 98% of times in the series Logia just simple watched/test you by tasting your attack. This was shown when Pekoms fodderised Caribou. He was tasting a Pekom punch which turned out to be >> what he expected
