[Predictions] Naruto Manga 502 Discussion and 503 Predictions

[baah]

hmmm....it seems to me that minato sealed the kyuubi inside naruto thinking his son is the only one who can defeat madara....

 

[OopsWrongHole]

hmmm....it seems to me that minato sealed the kyuubi inside naruto thinking his son is the only one who can defeat madara....

I think he believes his son Naruto had the potential to one day defeat Madara/Tobi but I don't believe he thought he was the only one ever able to, Just my opinion xd

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Well not always I think. When the shippuuden started, Sakura was so cool, her improvement was so advance that Naruto was just a joker compared to her. At that time I thought what the hell was Kishi doing? From all the 3 sannin's disciple, Naruto sure was the weakest. What was Jiraiya taught to Naruto all those 2.5 years? Almost nothing to show, Naruto only shine again after the rs, which sadly also marked the degration of Sakura into nothing.

Now at where the manga is, it seems that the 3 sannin's level were just the lower end of the high class ninja. At the time of Pain invasion, Naruto who was the strongest shinobi of Konoha can only defeated Pain after using the 9 tails power and after Pain has already lost so much chakra destroyed Konoha at that. And after that, suddenly just like that we found out the strongest in Konoha was so weak compare to Sasuke, Raikage, 8 tails, Kizame, Madara, and maybe even Kabuto.

At the start of Shippuunden yes she was shown a bit different but after that she was the same as usual being a BURDEN. And besides Sakura isn't a great or even good ninja she is one of the best medical ninja that is a doctor that's it. And if we compare every ninjas to Akatsuki and the other Kages sure they will look weak. Also the ANBU and the so called Special Jounins are no match. Strong guys from Konoha are 3 Sannins, Naruto, Kakashi, Danzou all of these guys are from the leaf and they can at least take down one Akatsuki members.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

When they have time to talk really? I guess Hinata would still be in hospital while Naruto went to save Sazuke with Yamato and Kakhasi.

Are you sure about Karin? Is it that simple? I'll say what is the sure fire way to infiltrate Konoha? How about Kakhasi, Naruto and Sakura brought you and told everybody that Sasuke dumped her? Considering the power that Sasuke has at that moment it would be very possible that he was aware that Sakura approaching and just did it. If he just wanted to kill Karin he could but he didn't.

What the hell are you talking about I was talking about Sakura's failures as a whole. And anyways its obvious that Sasuke sensed Sakura coming and that's why he tried to kill her only for Naruto and Kakashi to save her. And Sasuke doesn't really care about anyone now its obvious that Sasuke is NOT the same as he used to be now the only thing he cares about is revenge and we saw that he didn't care about Karin and even Karin said that she is done with her. So there's nothing to say about this Sasuke is now like a mad man on a mission and the only person who was able to calm him down was NARUTO

 

[danivass]

silenceofthelambs, you claim you dislike people who push their opinions down others' throaths, am I correct? Then why do you do the same thing? And your opinion was even proven wrong...

 

[OopsWrongHole]

silenceofthelambs, you claim you dislike people who push their opinions down others' throaths, am I correct? Then why do you do the same thing? And your opinion was even proven wrong...

How is he shoving his opinion down people throats, his giving his opinion and his own theories on each subject and not sure what opinion you are saying was wrong of his but to the point not everyone opinion is correct every single time, it just an opinion of his like everyone else has their own opinion!

 

[Scorps]

What I meant was that when someone awakens their Mangekyou Sharingan, it does not permanently revert to a regular Sharingan. Itachi's Mangekyou temporarily returned to a normal one because of doujutsu overuse; but the same thing would not happen if it not were for this reason.

Besides, in the link you showed, one of Itachi's eye went blind; it didn't revert back to a regular Sharingan. Madara might be keeping his left eye closed because, as you said, he is unable to render it inactive for the times he doesn't use it; but then it would be as I said, Madara's left eye would permanently remain an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, because unlike the blindness Itachi experienced with his Mangekyou, Madara has not used it all in the present, which means his left eye would not revert to a regular Sharingan.

As long as no special circumstances affects a Mangekyou eye, there is no reason for it to revert back to a regular Sharingan. Blindness is one of these special cases.

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Itachi used the Mangekyou Sharingan several times in the series, but Madara, presumably has not. Thus his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan will always remain active in his left eye, just like Obito's Sharingan in Kakashi's left eye. He too uses a mask to cover it up, so the eye does not consume his chakra. That's just my theory.

You're seeing things the other way around. When they activate the mangeykou sharingan, it doesn't permantly become always mangeykou. Think of it as nitro in a car. It's like a boost of power. You have the regular tree tomoe sharingan. Then it's boosted when they activate mangeykou, but it "burns out" fast.

Itachi had the mangeykou but he used regularly only the sharingan. Madara only uses hhis sharingan. But it doesn't prove squat about his mangeykou. Itachi was seen using only his sharingan almost all the time. But he had the mangeykou.

It's diferent levels of activation. Regular eye->sharingan->mangeykou. If you spend your chakra, then it reveerts to sharingan->regular eye. But once mangeykou, it isn't always mangeykou. So one can assume that eternal mangeykou is the same. He can use only the sharingan if he wants. No use for the EMS if he doesn't need it. Also, everyone seems to think that EMS is like super-duper-invincible, with no drawbacks what so ever. But don't forget that nothing in Naruto world comes without a price. Especially power. And the sharingan is the best example of that. The more powerfull it becomes, the more strain it does to the user. So, even if EMS user can't go blind by using his eyes to much, its fair to assume that using them posses great strait/treat to the user. The amount of chakra needed should be enourmous and their has to be a drawback. Remember Nagato? strongest dojutsu in Naruto world and yet it consumed his own life. EMS will come at a big price for the user.

 

[Scorps]

How is he shoving his opinion down people throats, his giving his opinion and his own theories on each subject and not sure what opinion you are saying was wrong of his but to the point not everyone opinion is correct every single time, it just an opinion of his like everyone else has their own opinion!

Some people don't understand the whole concept of "discussion". The forum exists for that purpose: discussing naruto manga and related subjects. Please, don't fight. Everyone has their own view on the story. That's the whole deal. It makes us all want read the next chapter because we want to see if we were right in our predictiions. and to see what happens next. I, for example, have expressed several opinions here and most people don't agree with me. So what? they make their point, I make mine and moving on... lol

Please people don't fight. I ruins the whole thing for everyone.

 

[OopsWrongHole]

Some people don't understand the whole concept of "discussion". The forum exists for that purpose: discussing naruto manga and related subjects. Please, don't fight. Everyone has their own view on the story. That's the whole deal. It makes us all want read the next chapter because we want to see if we were right in our predictiions. and to see what happens next. I, for example, have expressed several opinions here and most people don't agree with me. So what? they make their point, I make mine and moving on... lol

Please people don't fight. I ruins the whole thing for everyone.

Your right... does spoil it, my apologiesxd

 

[Scorps]

Your right... does spoil it, my apologiesxd

Na boa. =)

 

[silenceofthelambs]

You're seeing things the other way around. When they activate the mangeykou sharingan, it doesn't permantly become always mangeykou. Think of it as nitro in a car. It's like a boost of power. You have the regular tree tomoe sharingan. Then it's boosted when they activate mangeykou, but it "burns out" fast.

Itachi had the mangeykou but he used regularly only the sharingan. Madara only uses hhis sharingan. But it doesn't prove squat about his mangeykou. Itachi was seen using only his sharingan almost all the time. But he had the mangeykou.

It's diferent levels of activation. Regular eye->sharingan->mangeykou. If you spend your chakra, then it reveerts to sharingan->regular eye. But once mangeykou, it isn't always mangeykou. So one can assume that eternal mangeykou is the same. He can use only the sharingan if he wants. No use for the EMS if he doesn't need it. Also, everyone seems to think that EMS is like super-duper-invincible, with no drawbacks what so ever. But don't forget that nothing in Naruto world comes without a price. Especially power. And the sharingan is the best example of that. The more powerfull it becomes, the more strain it does to the user. So, even if EMS user can't go blind by using his eyes to much, its fair to assume that using them posses great strait/treat to the user. The amount of chakra needed should be enourmous and their has to be a drawback. Remember Nagato? strongest dojutsu in Naruto world and yet it consumed his own life. EMS will come at a big price for the user.

I think you are right, but if you said he is gathering power in his left eye, then I assume he must keep the eye active at all times so power can continue accumulating. Also, from what it appears, before his fight with Hashirama Senju Madara always had his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan active in battle, or wherever needed.

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Itachi says that Madara's eyes found a source of "inextinguishable light;" this leads me to think that even though a Mangekyou could revert to a regular Sharingan because of chakra depletion, for Madara it constantly remained active, as the word "eternal" suggests. Perhaps you are right, but I wonder if there have been any other Uchiha clan members, besides Madara and Sasuke, with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. Most likely not, as it is a rarity for Uchiha to go so far as to even awaken their Mangekyou Sharingan, much less the eternal version of it.

But if Madara can still use his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the extent of its powers, even after being defeated by the First Hokage, then the storyline is about to get much more interesting.

 

[Raised Fist]

I think you are right, but if you said he is gathering power in his left eye, then I assume he must keep the eye active at all times so power can continue accumulating. Also, from what it appears, before his fight with Hashirama Senju Madara always had his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan active in battle, or wherever needed.

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Itachi says that Madara's eyes found a source of "inextinguishable light;" this leads me to think that even though a Mangekyou could revert to a regular Sharingan because of chakra depletion, for Madara it constantly remained active, as the word "eternal" suggests. Perhaps you are right, but I wonder if there have been any other Uchiha clan members, besides Madara and Sasuke, with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. Most likely not, as it is a rarity for Uchiha to go so far as to even awaken their Mangekyou Sharingan, much less the eternal version of it.

But if Madara can still use his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the extent of its powers, even after being defeated by the First Hokage, then the storyline is about to get much more interesting.

i think inextinguishable just means that you don't lose your eyesight like with normal ms. thats the whole point of aquiering the ems after all. that's why he got the eyes of his brother and not because of the mysterious power that comes with the ems. it has nothing to do with being active all the time.

and the scenes when we see madara fighting the first are supposed to show their strength and the epicness of their battles. so it makes sense that he is shown with his ems and not normal sharingan.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

i think inextinguishable just means that you don't lose your eyesight like with normal ms. thats the whole point of aquiering the ems after all. that's why he got the eyes of his brother and not because of the mysterious power that comes with the ems. it has nothing to do with being active all the time.

and the scenes when we see madara fighting the first are supposed to show their strength and the epicness of their battles. so it makes sense that he is shown with his ems and not normal sharingan.

I suppose you're right. But if Madara no longer has his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, how did he lose it? I have another theory that Madara still retains a portion of his powers, most notably including his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. I wrote that instead of giving up his perfect Mangekyou, he chose to take the blows from Hashirama, but keep his doujutsu in the process (not sacrificing it for Izanagi). What do you think?

 

[Raised Fist]

I suppose you're right. But if Madara no longer has his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, how did he lose it? I have another theory that Madara still retains a portion of his powers, most notably including his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. I wrote that instead of giving up his perfect Mangekyou, he chose to take the blows from Hashirama, but keep his doujutsu in the process (not sacrificing it for Izanagi). What do you think?

plausible theory. i would give up all my jutsu if in exchange i can keep my ems which enables me too travel free in space. because we never saw madara use any other jutsu... but the problem is, if madara didn't sacrifice one eye for izanagi, how was he able to deceive the first and make everyone believe that he is dead? of course there are other possibilities as long as kishi wants them to be

 

[Kaziname]

is there anyone who knows more about 2nd hokage's space/time ninjutsu?

 

[animeaddict360]

I think that naruto has a brother or a sister somewhere or something like that because it was said the t the seal grows weak during preagnancy and i dont recall any of the previous hosts having that problem so that means that kushiana must have been preagnant before and madara realizied that during that time. And if he doesn't have anotheer sibling thn she must have had a misscarige or still birth before. the previous host was also female but it was never metionioned that she had a child so hoe could they know that the seal would fail during that time? Unless it was designed that way to go off duruing that time there isnt really another explanation.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

plausible theory. i would give up all my jutsu if in exchange i can keep my ems which enables me too travel free in space. because we never saw madara use any other jutsu... but the problem is, if madara didn't sacrifice one eye for izanagi, how was he able to deceive the first and make everyone believe that he is dead? of course there are other possibilities as long as kishi wants them to be

That's the only question that I don't have a solid answer to. Hashirama would make sure to check if Madara was dead, so there would be no real way for Madara to play dead as Hashirama leaves the scene. If Madara did indeed use Izanagi, you have to consider the consequences as well. An eye loses vision permanently, and considering Madara's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, I don't know whether he would make such a large sacrifice. But I suppose that in choosing between life and doujutsu, he took life. So if Madara did indeed use Izanagi, then the collective power of the tailed beasts will go towards strengthening his eyes, so that he may resurrect the Jubi and become its host - and then project his eyes onto the moon, Mugen Tsukuyomi. The infamous Moon's Eye Plan.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

is there anyone who knows more about 2nd hokage's space/time ninjutsu?

There isn't much to know as of yet. Tobirama's space-time ninjutsu was similar to Minato's (though, I assume, not the same), meaning it was on a level lower than Madara's. We don't know whether Tobirama was more skilled at space-time techniques than Minato, or vice versa, but we do know that for any one person, it is a valuable asset to them. That's all there is to say sticking to the facts, so we'll just have to wait for more information if Kishimoto gives it to us in the coming chapters.

 

[danivass]

I think that naruto has a brother or a sister somewhere or something like that because it was said the t the seal grows weak during preagnancy and i dont recall any of the previous hosts having that problem so that means that kushiana must have been preagnant before and madara realizied that during that time. And if he doesn't have anotheer sibling thn she must have had a misscarige or still birth before. the previous host was also female but it was never metionioned that she had a child so hoe could they know that the seal would fail during that time? Unless it was designed that way to go off duruing that time there isnt really another explanation.

Yeah, it was only mentioned that she was the wife of the 1st hokage, and we know the 1st hokage has grandchildren, so I think anyone can deduce that she was pregnant. I think Madara heard that things almost got out of hand when she gave birth, but Hashirama was there to supress the fox so nothing bad happened. And after hearing about Kushina's pregnancy he knew he probably won't have another chance like this soon so he acted and that lead to the begining of the Naruto manga

 

[danivass]

You didn't pay attention to any of the evidence I just presented to you. If the special power wasn't the Nine-Tails, then why didn't Minato just seal the Nine-Tails into himself, killing himself along with the beast? That way, there is no chance that Madara will ever retrieve the fox. The "special power" Minato spoke of is the Nine-Tails; otherwise, Minato would have no reason to seal it into Naruto, when he could just kill the beast by sealing it into himself. It doesn't matter if Konoha loses the Nine-Tails; at least Madara will never be able to get his hands on it again.

By the way, Naruto's grandmother has never been shown in the story, and if you think Mito Uzumaki is his grandmother, then you are completely wrong.

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Kushina tells Naruto that Mito was simply her predecessor, not her mother. I don't know where you got the idea that Mito was Naruto's grandmother, but in any case, you are incorrect. It still doesn't matter if Kushina and Mito were former hosts of the Nine-Tails; what matters is that the "special power" is the Nine-Tailed Fox, and that was why Minato chose to seal it into Naruto. It would not be the end of Konoha if they lost the Nine-Tails; Madara would never be able to retrieve his most powerful weapon ever again.

Minato hoped Naruto would be able to use the Nine-Tailed Fox's power to defeat Madara. I don't know what sort of techniques Naruto will be able to perform now that he has full control of the Nine-Tails, but they all go towards Naruto defeating Madara. That was what Minato had in mand when sealing the Nine-Tails into his son.

And again you don't pay attention to the evidence I showed you. You just asked what made me think the Shinigami is essentially able to do anything, as long as it is working your will?

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To reiterate, look at what Orochimaru says: "you mean that this was the jutsu that sealed even the Kyuubi?!" If Minato called upon the Shinigami to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox, then that is what it would do.

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You want me to believe that Minato used a suppressing seal against the Nine-Tailed Fox, but you have not provided one iota of evidence to support your statements. What do you want me to believe? Something that is based purely on opinion?

And when did I say it would take Madara, alongside the Nine-Tailed Fox, an extensive amount of time to defeat Minato? I said that he would be defeated quickly, because Minato, without Mokuton techniques, could do nothing against the fox and consequently would be defeated rather easily. The best he could do is run away with his Flying Thunder God technique. Madara would just be too powerful; everyone in the Naruto world is aware of his immense strength.

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It is still not known what that special power is. It may not be the Kyuubi, but a jutsu which requires a lot of chakra. And also Orochimaru resisted the Third's Shiki Fuujin pretty well, so how do you expect Minato's Shiki Fuujin to have overpowered the fox? I mean it has nine tails, and it only took six to turn Shinra tensei back on Nagato. Either the villagers beat it up pretty well distracting it or knocking it out or someone applied a super strong seal to supress it (partially, that thing is probably invincible) while the Shiki Fuujin was in progress.

As I said, if Mito Uzumaki were not there ready to seal the fox inside herself, Hashirama and Madara's battle might have ended with both killing each other. Ask yourself, if Mito were not there, what would Hashirama have done with the Nine-Tails, even if he took control of it with his Mokuton techniques? We still don't know exactly how Hashirama defeated Madara (even with the fox removed from the fight), but no doubt Hashirama had his own abilities that were good counters for Madara's techniques. Consider Naruto and Sasuke, since Kakashi says their lives parallel the two men who once formed this area, a result of their battle. Sasuke, with his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, will have an impressive arsenal of techniques, but so will Naruto. Same with Hashirama and Madara; they both had their own array of spectacular techniques and abilities.

And Mito Uzumaki was NOT there ready to seal the nine-tails.

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It clearly says After Hashirama's victory and even in the manga it is never said that she sealed the Kyuubi in herself during the fight, I believe the exact words are "During their fight Hashirama-sama gained control of the nine-tails. And in order to better aid him, Mito-sama sealed it inside her own body, becoming the first nine-tails jinchuuriki" This is definetely not a "while Hashirama was supressing the fox and fending off Madara Mito sealed the nine-tails in herself as Hashirama wanted", it's more like a Hashirama got control of the nine tails while he fought Madara. Some time after (could be minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years) Mito decided to seal the beast in herself to be more useful to him as a jinchuuriki. Not saying you can't be right here, just saying "insufficient information".
And, furthermore, why do you assume Hashirama knew Madara would summon the nine-tails that night when it has not been stated that anyone knew of Madara being able to control it?

How is he shoving his opinion down people throats, his giving his opinion and his own theories on each subject and not sure what opinion you are saying was wrong of his but to the point not everyone opinion is correct every single time, it just an opinion of his like everyone else has their own opinion!

While something may be one's opinion saying it as if it is fact with the bold letters and repeating it more than two times is in my eyes pushing one's opinion down people's throats. And you see two of his wrong opinions up until now, the third being the "Mangekyou sharingan is always active" claim. We have clearly seen Itachi and Sasuke didn't have it constantly active and after all it drains one's chakra very fast. If it were constantly active the Uchiha would have lost their most powerful clansmen due to chakra overuse lol, just the thought of that is absurd. So if you don't mind these opinions are wrong, that's W-R-O-N-G.
P.S. sorry for double posting